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Old 23rd December 2008, 03:04 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Atheism is Treason

Don't convert to save your soul! Do it for 'merica

Normally stuff like this doesn't even register on my radar; I'm free speech to the bone and just shrug off statements like this as patently inaccurate. Actually this one caught my eye because, according to what I'm reading, this sign could be a hoax. Now the sign itself is being attributed to one Reverend E.F. Briggs who, assuming my research is correct, the good reverend appears to have died back in 2006. This particular page was added about a week ago and links to another forum with similar pictures. Now it'd make sense for it to pop-up now considering the ongoing controversy of the atheist sign posted across the street from a nativity scene, particularly if you read the part at the top which reads "Attention: Lunatic Atheists & Their Lawyers". It also appears as if the good Reverend has made other signs bashing atheism so this sign wouldn't be out of character; save for his apparently irreversible case of deadness.

Hoax: Yay or Nay?
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Old 23rd December 2008, 03:51 PM   #2
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I wonder where and when the photo was taken. The address mentioned (Monongah, WV) is a small community most notable for a historic coal mining disaster. The town is about two hours from me here in the state's capital. News here tends to cover our entire small state. I don't recall seeing anything on this. It's the sort of thing that would catch my notice.

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Old 24th December 2008, 12:11 PM   #3
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Insubordination
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Old 24th December 2008, 12:48 PM   #4
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Insubordination
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Old 24th December 2008, 12:50 PM   #5
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I think that's what passes for a joke in Radrook's neck of the woods. Atheism isn't treason (betrayal of country), it's insubordination (refusal to be subordinate to God). LOL, right?
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Old 24th December 2008, 01:35 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by bokonon View Post
I think that's what passes for a joke in Radrook's neck of the woods. Atheism isn't treason (betrayal of country), it's insubordination (refusal to be subordinate to God). LOL, right?
Hmmm. A bit of a Scriptural thought on this:

Render unto Caesar that which is Ceasar's.

That's where treason fits, in the world of taxes, kings and laws.

Render unto God that which is God's.

This would be prayer, worship, and striving to live right by God's laws.

No, Atheism is Treason doesn't wash in America.

IF one actually lived in a theocracy, then maybe. Depends.

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Old 24th December 2008, 02:32 PM   #7
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I'd rather be a traitor to these people, than a traitor to my reason or my own heart.
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Old 24th December 2008, 02:41 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
Hmmm. A bit of a Scriptural thought on this:

Render unto Caesar that which is Ceasar's.

That's where treason fits, in the world of taxes, kings and laws.

Render unto God that which is God's.

This would be prayer, worship, and striving to live right by God's laws.

No, Atheism is Treason doesn't wash in America.

IF one actually lived in a theocracy, then maybe. Depends.

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As Bernard Lewis points out in "What Went Wrong, the "render unto Ceasar..." phrase doesn't exist in the Koran, and -that- is the primary difference between Islam and the West.
EVERYTHING belongs to Allah, so atheism is treason in Islam.
A few more decades of capitalistic hedonism might have the effect of softening the hard line on unbelief, in Islam.
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Old 24th December 2008, 02:48 PM   #9
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According to the Snopes message board, the billboard is real, but Snopes itself has not done an article on it:
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=3755

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Insubordination
^Bigotry.

(Durr, hurr, hurr, one word responses, hurr.)
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Old 24th December 2008, 02:49 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
No, Atheism is Treason doesn't wash in America.

IF one actually lived in a theocracy, then maybe. Depends.
Yeah, the thing kind of breaks down right out of the gate. Anti-God does not equal anti-American.

Unfortunately, there are some people who think it does. They're generally the same people who say things like "Katrina was sent to punish the sinful people of New Orleans." They think God rewards the devout and punishes those who stray from "the way." In their minds, it actually stands to "reason" that the more people go godless, the more likely it is that God's wrath will descend upon us all.

It is almost impossible to convince such people that they're mistaken.
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Old 24th December 2008, 02:50 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Lonewulf View Post
I'd rather be a traitor to these people, than a traitor to my reason or my own heart.
Beautiful. Worthy of adding it to a signature.
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Old 24th December 2008, 03:14 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Ron_Tomkins View Post
Beautiful. Worthy of adding it to a signature.
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Old 25th December 2008, 08:30 PM   #13
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"Traitors lead to Civil War"

If there is such a war, I think it is less likely that the atheists are going to be the ones to start it. It seems to me that the fundamentalists (of any religion) are the ones gearing up for a fight. And, that is what we must be wary of.
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