Phil Parker's Lightning Process - my experience

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First of all, I am acutely aware that coming into a skeptics forum and saying that I suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome isn't likely to be taken lightly. I realise there's still a lot of controversy around the whole idea of CFS/ME, but it has been my observation that most of this controversy comes about from the name ME, or Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, meaning (if I recall correctly) an inflammation of the brain and spinal cord. This refers to a pathology that does not exist, and hence I prefer to refer to the condition as CFS as that describes a collection of symptoms that quite clearly have been observed to exist instead. I would hope that the discrepancy in naming the condition would not make people think that the condition itself does not exist (though I have encountered that attitude in the past).

Hoping we can agree on this, I come to the reason I made this post in the first place, Phil Parker's Lightning Process (I would link to it but being a newbie I'm not allowed to post URLs - a quick google will get you there, though.)

This is a 'training program' that supposedly brings significant results to people who suffer from Chronic Fatigue. It might seem like the skeptic's nightmare thanks to its high price (£560 upwards) and the suggestion on the website that you don't go if you are skeptical about it, because it probably won't work. It all screams pseudoscience, and I was well aware of that when I went on it.

Now, you might ask, why would I, as someone who considers himself a skeptic, fork out £560 for something that sounds like pseudoscience? The answer is twofold: Firstly, Chronic Fatigue was not the only problem that I was wanting to get some help with - I had suffered from clinical anxiety and depression for a considerable time too, and the Process sounded vaguely promising for these things. Secondly, I was desperate. And yes, I realise that this is how people get scammed in the first place, but I'm only human. The NHS did initially send me to a specialist centre for CFS/ME, but after a few appointments they refused to treat me because of my underlying anxiety issues, saying that I needed to get those treated first, so I was instead put on a 14 month waiting list to see a psychiatrist, and had to go through that before the Chronic Fatigue place would even see me again. So yes, I was stuck, and decided to give this a go, because if it helped even slightly it would be useful.

In order to get onto the Process, you have to be interviewed on the phone by the practitioner you're applying to. This was not much of a problem to me, except for the fact that I had answered "yes" to the question "Do you tend to question what you are told?" When this came up, I said that in general I do, but I was open to anything that might help, and if I wasn't I wouldn't be applying. I'm not entirely sure how much I believed what I was saying, but it seemed to allay her suspicions anyway.

The Process itself takes place in three consecutive days (or rather, afternoons) of seminars. Taking it with me was a girl about my age who also had Chronic Fatigue, and an older guy who had travelled over from Norway in a wheelchair for the Process, who suffered from Multiple Sclerosis. I have to admit this shocked me at first, because Multiple Sclerosis is a more well defined medical phenomenon than Chronic Fatigue, but in we went.

Before I go on, I should mention that I might potentially be breaking the law by telling you about what goes on in the Process, as part of the document you sign to apply is effectively an NDA, but as far as I'm aware this was largely to stop you reproducing the documents provided to you during the Process, not talking about it.

The first day was mostly videos of success stories and mind exercises. Most of this was fair enough, for example, the instructor asked us to look around the room and find everything that was red, and then close our eyes and tell her what we saw. We got nearly everything. Then she told us to say what we'd seen that was blue, and we got nearly nothing - and upon opening our eyes realised that virtually the entire room was in blue. This was then extended to say that if you look for illness, you will find it. The actual Lightning Process part was, to be honest, less impressive than it had sounded, as mostly it involved jumping around on a mat, shouting positive affirmations at yourself. The guy with MS broke down in tears several times as he struggled to stand up on the mat, which got pretty heart-rending after a while. We all agreed that it was helping us, though I don't know to what extent we really believed it at the time.

The second day was pretty similar, only this time the mat-jumping was extended to include a more hypnotherapy-type experience of viewing yourself in the future as where you want to be, and that sort of thing. There was also a very big emphasis on reducing as much of the negativity in your life as possible, and we were also instructed to use "active" language, which meant saying that I "do" CFS, instead of I "have" CFS, which was intended to make your language take more responsibility for said action than it might ordinarily do. This was later extended to things like "doing migraine" and "doing asthma", or for the guy in the wheelchair, "doing MS", which made him break down again and alienated me somewhat. Doing feelings (such as the anxiety and depression) seemed obvious enough, but using it for physical things that you clearly wouldn't wish on yourself anyway seemed almost cruel.

The third day was intended to consolidate our new positive lifestyle. We did more Processes, heard more success stories, and then came to the bit that freaked me out the most: dealing with family, friends etc. We were told that in the spirit of removing the negative from our lives we should be wary of people who would set us back in our old ways, fellow sufferers (or "doers", heh) who hadn't done the Process, friends who would be skeptical of our sucess, even GPs who wouldn't believe the Process could work, going as far as recommending avoiding certain people if necessary. That seemed a tad too cultish for me, and epitomised the difference in my attitude to the Process as opposed to my fellow Processers. Throughout the seminars, the instructor had been telling us success stories of John or Josh or Sue or David or whoever, and I was certain at one point that she was pulling a name off the top of her head. So when she told us these success stories, while the girl next to me said "wow", my reaction was more a quiet "hmm..."

You might think from what I've said so far that I'm going to conclude by saying that it's a big bit of pseudoscience that preys on the weak and vulnerable and should be avoided at all costs, but the thing is, I can't do that - because I didn't go away empty handed. The techniques involved in the Process have done wonders for my anxiety, which had been a major problem for me up to then, and given me a basis on which to work on the depression too. I have not found a way of getting it to work for pain and physical symptoms, but this is at odds with the other people who I was doing it with: the girl said she was going to go back to work as soon as possible, and the guy in the wheelchair had actually been walking around - albeit with a stick - far more comfortably than he had been doing a couple of days previously. He didn't break down at all on the third day, and actually seemed very positive about the whole thing. Suffice to say, I was pretty amazed.

Having followed the likes of the JREF and the Skeptics Society for so long, I'd immediately assumed that the idea that it wouldn't work if you were skeptical of it was proof that it was overplaying its own power, but in reality the people who DID believe it actually seemed to have got far more out of it than I did. Essentially the Process works by stimulating the placebo effect in people, but the placebo effect only works if you're either ignorant of it or expect it. They seem to have harnessed an almost cult-like method of conditioning and used it to bring about this placebo effect in people, therefore aiding, if not curing, their ailments. But I am not the sort of person a cult would try to condition, I was observing and questioning every step of the way, and for once in my life, it seems to have held me back.

I'm left with a rather unpleasant taste in my mouth from this episode; I'd always thought it's a virtue to question what I'm told, but in this particular case I have to say it does seem that the people who can just accept it get far more out of the Process than I ever could, and that seems to explain (even if it doesn't excuse) why they tell people not to go on it if they're skeptical.

Could it be perhaps possible that I'm just too skeptical to be well?
 
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No.
If your CFS is "real" then there's a real cause.
If it's not real, you're not sceptical enough!

It sounds , in all honesty, like pure scam to me.
But there's no law that says scams can't help people.

Thanks for posting this. It's an interesting report.
 
I'm just too skeptical to be well? (CFS)

Hi Mushroom, thanks for such an honest and interesting post. I found it while searching for info on the Lightening Process and it prompted me to join my first forum (I usually sit on the sidelines - a forum voyeur/lurker).

What really intrigued me is the concept of being 'too skeptical'. I have always been of the belief that skepticism is healthy for it promotes scientific enquiry. I enjoyed debate with others if their opinions were rooted in evidence and would barely contain my shock at their unsubstantiated claims (usually concerning alternative medicine). My own 'knowledge' being based on many years as a NHS clinician specialising in neuro-psychology.

Two years ago I got very ill and eventually was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). It is an extremely frustrating condition. There appears to be little evidence based treatment available and far too many quack cures. As a scientist I wanted to find answers but my fogged brain would not work and horror of all horrors I had to rely on others knowledge. I was grateful for the treatment I was getting from the NHS but saw no improvement in my condition. The treatment appeared vague and I had little belief in its efficacy. I was also getting annoyed with well meaning people who passed on info about various treatments.

Then it clicked, what an arrogant, opinionated bore I had been. I was always the one who spoiled someone's exciting 'true' ghost story by giving the rational explanation. My black and white thinking was not going to work with CFS. This did not mean I would embrace pseudo-science but it was time to think differently. Therefore I am currently following a programme that claims to retrain the amygdala. Neuro-psychologically it makes sense but one does have to embrace the notion that emotion has power over our physiology. It is a bit crazy at first but I already feel some improvement. I have questioned if it is purely the placebo effect but I think not. I had dismissed this programme 2 years ago when I was looking for a definitive cure. I had read so many forums where such treatments were criticized and they backed up my skeptical views.

My 'skepticism' had blinkered me and perhaps even contributed to my developing CFS for I found it difficult to relinquish responsibility for tasks or opinions. My 'thinking' existed within a tight remit. Instead of promoting enquiry my skeptical thinking became a stopper to creativity. I remain a scientist (and still cannot entertain homeopathy) but as a scientist I should know there is so much we do not know. Perhaps science has become too quantitative in nature but that's a whole new discussion..........
 
the placebo effect only works if you're either ignorant of it or expect it

Not so. It can kick in for people who doubt the efficacy of a treatment or who think they are likely getting the placebo instead of the experimental drug or treatment.

Placebo is especially strong when individuals are getting personal attention, especially if physical or near physical contact is involved.

I used to give Reiki (as a bleedin Reiki Master) and studied Cranio-Sacral Therapy. Some people would tell me, before their session, that they doubted what I was going to do could relieve their pain or stress.
But afterwards: suprise!

Also most anything that pulls you out of your habitual mindset is stimulating and has a placebo effect.

Some of our members will share their experience of how their health and sense of well being improved when they got liberated from New Age superstitions.

Let's start a new "therapy" called "Skepto-therapy."
What you don't have to believe in can't get you down!
 
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First of all, I am acutely aware that coming into a skeptics forum and saying that I suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome isn't likely to be taken lightly.
As someone else who has been dignosed with CFS, I consider the diagnosis to be something of a crock. Not the condition, certainly; but the diagnosis. CFS as it currently stands is nothing but a catch-all category for a constellation of symptoms of unknown eitiology and interrelation. There is also a problem with many real and well-understood medical conditions being misdiagnosed or remaining undiagnosed by inexperienced or unscrupulous practitioners. There is nowhere near enough research and information for anyone to make any assertions about "curing" or even effectively treating more than a small fraction of those labled with the disorder.
I'm left with a rather unpleasant taste in my mouth from this episode; I'd always thought it's a virtue to question what I'm told, but in this particular case I have to say it does seem that the people who can just accept it get far more out of the Process than I ever could, and that seems to explain (even if it doesn't excuse) why they tell people not to go on it if they're skeptical.
That is a huge red flag, and it certainly does sound somewhat cult-like from your description. It has some of the classic characteristics of religious and pseudo-scientific manipulation, and "blaming the victim" if the results failed to be all that they were promised. Developing a group identity; idiosyncratic language and thinking patterns; seperation from "outsiders" of any sort, investing one's personal identity in the group, and developing an us-vs-them attitude; constant re-affirmation of positive associations with the group; the euphoria and positive reinforcement of a shared experience; and so on.
Could it be perhaps possible that I'm just too skeptical to be well?
No. I'd say that you may be too skeptical to be easily manipulated and misled.

A treatment that doesn't work unless someone discards rational thought and believes is not a treatment, it's merely handwaving.

Like pain, CFS has a strong subjective component. Part of the placebo effect is manipulation of that very subjectivity. Convincing people that they feel less pain, or are less tired or anxious; to the point where they will experience some significant change in perspective, despite the fact that there has been no qualitative physical alteration in their condition.

It also seems to incorporate some of the most common medical advice given to CFS patients -- light exercise, change of scene, positive attitude, significant lifestyle changes, etc. -- all of which can result in at least some improvement in many cases; but without the caveat that those improvements are often short-lived. I'm willing to bet that last point is given the typical "you're just not trying hard enough", blame-the-victim scenario, when the treatment invariably fails to produce substantial lasting improvements.
 
My 'skepticism' had blinkered me and perhaps even contributed to my developing CFS for I found it difficult to relinquish responsibility for tasks or opinions. My 'thinking' existed within a tight remit. Instead of promoting enquiry my skeptical thinking became a stopper to creativity. I remain a scientist (and still cannot entertain homeopathy) but as a scientist I should know there is so much we do not know. Perhaps science has become too quantitative in nature but that's a whole new discussion..........
Does anyone else smell a sock puppet?
 
Sock Puppet

Does anyone else smell a sock puppet?

Hi, I can assure you I am not a sock puppet - although that has become my new nickname by my partner. I was just trying to give some back story to explain what was going on for me in the same way Mushroom had been honest about his/her feelings.

I completely agree about the crock diagnosis. After being told I had CFS I wanted some straight answers and got shrugs of the shoulders in return. The problem was this determination to get to the bottom of my condition just made me worse - and there I mean me, I do not suggest it makes others worse. I lost hope, got frustrated and depressed. I suppose, in my case, I may be confusing skepticism with cynicism in that by losing hope I believed nothing could be done - ever. However much later I looked around at what was on offer, dismissed the Lightning process and tried something that made sense to me. I really do not know if it will work long term but it was the first hope I had, yep I understand that is the placebo effect. However it has made me change some habits, it has made me open up a bit and I have a sense of control at last.

That's all I was trying to say, no advert, no surreptitious selling, just me.
 

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