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Old 22nd November 2012, 11:41 PM   #10161
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It was Yakima at one time, not sure about now. I believe I caught an article not long ago with him being involved in the wine industry in some capacity. He was referred to as the former paving company owner so that's him.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 07:58 AM   #10162
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Thanks for the info. I have some relatives in Yakima, maybe I should ask if anyone knows him.
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Old 26th November 2012, 11:35 AM   #10163
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Originally Posted by jerrywayne View Post
Are Kit's documentary and discovery of the suit now off the table?
Where they ever really on the table?
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Old 26th November 2012, 11:49 AM   #10164
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Why ? Stand by your post or don't post at all. Kinda just wastes my time posting back to ya don't it.
I'm not sure what you're babbling about, mate. The comment I deleted wasn't directed towards you, it was a double-post, as far as I can tell, we weren't even engaged in any conversation to begin with, haha.
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Old 26th November 2012, 11:52 AM   #10165
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Do you have any specifics ?

Where this took place ? Who did he pretend to be ?
It took place here, I was told he was going by the name "CBengalensis," although, I don't have much in the way of evidence, but hey, evidence is lacking throughout this rumour-mill.
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Old 26th November 2012, 04:54 PM   #10166
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...the way the Roger Patterson story itself would - it's an amazing story really. A con man who has a fatal disease but pulls off the big score before he dies and leaves a legacy outlasting every scientist that scoffed at him. An ironic triumph/tragedy...
It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE.
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Old 26th November 2012, 05:07 PM   #10167
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Originally Posted by HarryHenderson View Post
It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE.
"Everyone" is a bit of a stretch.
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Old 26th November 2012, 05:09 PM   #10168
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Originally Posted by HarryHenderson View Post
It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE.
I suppose it depends on how you look at it. For me personally, Roger only outsmarted a few people in the grand scheme of things... The majority of the world either doesn't buy it or doesn't care.

I'm not saying he didn't create a great and iconic hoax, he did, but I think that has more to do with the gullibility and general "want" of the small section of the general public who want this kind of Monster Lore to be real.

Patty will always be an iconic image which most people can instantly recognise... but in the real world, most people just look at it and don't see the creative genius of Patterson, they just see a fella in a costume.

The image of Patty, and the "Surgeons" photo of Nessie are now Monster History, they'll go down as probably being the most used images in any Readers Digest editions known to man.

But most people don't see the story, they just see the fella in the costume. Therein lies the problem with Roger Patterson ever truly realising fame, even in death.
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Old 28th November 2012, 05:16 PM   #10169
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He outsmarted a relative handful of people.. I really don't see how that counts for much ..
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Old 28th November 2012, 06:00 PM   #10170
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I'm not saying he didn't create a great and iconic hoax, he did, but I think that has more to do with the gullibility and general "want" of the small section of the general public who want this kind of Monster Lore to be real.
Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"...


Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen.
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Old 28th November 2012, 06:06 PM   #10171
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Originally Posted by SweatyYeti View Post


Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"
Yes, the hoax was a success.
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There goes the neighborhood..........
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Old 28th November 2012, 06:15 PM   #10173
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Originally Posted by SweatyYeti View Post

Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen.
Of course it's unlike any other suit; it's the first bigfoot suit ever.

Well, probably the first. Certainly the most successful because, as I'm sure you'll agree, it fooled lots and lots of folks into buying into the bigfoot craze. As silly as that is.

Glad you're on board.

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Originally Posted by SweatyYeti View Post
Gilbert Sundrome wrote:


Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"... http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...50-F370AG3.gif


Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen.
I am pretty sure those making the film never dreamed it to be the film that ended up happening, ( well! crappy film but crazy following) Don't really seem like a lot was put into it to me, they got a suit rented a camera went for a horse back ride and filmed someone walking down the creek bed. In other words it just happened to be one of those ~ One in a million type things that somehow worked out ~ Nothing special just a fluke back in the day's of black and white when life was simple and boring, people needed a perk and they got the PGF.

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Old 28th November 2012, 07:08 PM   #10175
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Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti.
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Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti.
Most folks tend to fool themselves.
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Great suit indeed. It's head changes shape often, as seen in various clips.

It even makes outrageously large blinking motions as sy shows. Must be huge baggy eyelids, I guess.

I wonder what adaptation Roger was trying to convey? What are giant baggy eyelids good for?
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Old 28th November 2012, 09:10 PM   #10178
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Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti.

Or....no way a manipulated, and completely irrelevant....(being the opposite of the illusion required, to explain-away Patty's moving/bending fingers)... 'Doll-Hand Illusion' could ever fool a whole gang of "Critical Thinkers"...
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Great suit indeed. It's head changes shape often, as seen in various clips.

It even makes outrageously large blinking motions as sy shows. Must be huge baggy eyelids, I guess.

I'm glad you can see, and acknowledge, the apparent eyebrow movement, LT...

It is actual 'eyebrow movement'....in the animation, you can see how the protruding eyebrow shades the 'white spot' that is at the bottom of her right eye.....as it lowers.


That white-ish object/lump is clearly visible in several Frames...three of them are in this montage...


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Disappointed.

Was hoping for more colors . . . and squiggly lines.
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Old 28th November 2012, 09:34 PM   #10181
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It's really unprecedented primate physiology in action that we are seeing here. The whole brow ridge (which is a bone shelf) comes down and over the eyes for an instant just like a shutting car trunk lid. Normally the eyelids move to cover or "close" the eyes, but here part of the skull itself hinges up and down.

No way would a hoaxer do that. Hoaxers just don't do extremely unrealistic things to their costumes. Because of that it has to be real.
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It's very obviously not the eyebrows moving up and down. The bone of the skull moves as if it were a kind of flexible alien structure not of this planet.
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The more I look the more it becomes obviously a fact that the eye socket (another bone structure) drastically changes shape.. like we can do with our lips.

The skull itself can instantly change shape. Sweaty has brought us these facts.
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The nose, like Pinocchio, also appears to change length/shape. Amazing suit. We really need to see that Roger gets an award.

Or maybe we need to explain the evolutionary consequences of all of this craniofacial variability? Amazing hominid...no wonder the DNA is so special...
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Fascinating.The long-time suspected morphing abilities of bigfoot finally proved.

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It's very obviously not the eyebrows moving up and down. The bone of the skull moves as if it were a kind of flexible alien structure not of this planet.

Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXyIjocwLo


The two Frames used in that animation are non-consecutive Frames...they are Frames 348 and 368...




Frame 348...the frame in which the eyebrow appears lower....just happens to coincide with the exact moment when Patty's face first becomes hit/lit-up with direct sunlight, as she is turning her head towards Roger.

Patty lowered her eyebrow as a response to the direct sunlight, in her face.
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what no pointless coloured lines to go with the pointless giff.??
bigfoot can now shape shift aswell ..
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Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??

Frame 348...the frame in which the eyebrow appears lower....just happens to coincide with the exact moment when Patty's face first becomes hit/lit-up with direct sunlight, as she is turning her head towards Roger.

Patty lowered her eyebrow as a response to the direct sunlight, in her face.
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Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??
Because you have demonstrated that the skull bone is moving. That is now a fact. Maybe you don't even realize what you have discovered.

These are different things...

Eyebrow
Brow ridge
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I raise my hand and block the sun when it's in my eyes...

How the sun can be in Patty's eyes at ~1:30pm with her head looking at the ground is an exercise for the class, I guess.
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If you stop to think about it a dropping brow ridge bone would be a great adaptation. The problem with moving quickly in a forest is that you get your eyes poked out by branches and twigs. A "bone flap" could be lowered to essentially protect the eyeballs.

The purpose of this could be debated. But what can't be debated is the fact that the skull itself is changing shape. That is shown right there on the film.

I can't remember if Sweaty is a Creationist, but if so, such a feature could be attributed to God's creation.
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Would make more sense to just have the bigger/lower ridge there, rather than to invent a moving one. Plus, I also use my arm/hand to shield my eyes from brush. It works much better than a brow ridge ever could. A brow ridge would not be very effective for eye protection in dense brush, imo.

Besides all that, wiki says the brow ridge has nothing to do with eyeball protection, it's for strength of that area of the skull, and many forest dwelling hominids don't even have much of one at all.

It also seems to say that bipedalism reduced the need for the ridge.

Seems much more likely that it's to protect the eye socket area during combat.

Those grizzly bears don't like to give up their food.
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The moving brow ridge could be an adaptation for mating as well.

IN DAVID ATTENBOUROUGH VOICE:

The Male hides in the bushes, whilst the female walks seductively across a well groomed open area, typically with a dry creek-bed. She signals her willingness to mate by quizzically furrowing her brow ridge.

perhaps Patty mistook the long-haired wig wearing Bob Gimlin for a male sasquatch.
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Because you have demonstrated that the skull bone is moving. That is now a fact. Maybe you don't even realize what you have discovered.

These are different things...

Eyebrow
Brow ridge
Eyelid

Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??
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I raise my hand and block the sun when it's in my eyes...

How the sun can be in Patty's eyes at ~1:30pm with her head looking at the ground is an exercise for the class, I guess.

Patty's cheekbone becomes lit-up by the sunlight in Frame 348, LT. Therefore...the direct sunlight could very well also be shining in her eyes.

Hence...the lowering of her eyebrow.
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Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??
So the eyebrows bounce up and down while the boobs stay rigid.
Patty is a seriously screwed up animal!!!

Hey Sweaty, do you want to discuss wrist bands?
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Old 29th November 2012, 11:25 AM   #10198
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Originally Posted by SweatyYeti View Post
Patty's cheekbone becomes lit-up by the sunlight in Frame 348, LT. Therefore...the direct sunlight could very well also be shining in her eyes.

Hence...the lowering of her eyebrow.
Checkmate by LTC.
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Old 29th November 2012, 11:31 AM   #10199
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Young_male_chimp.png

You really think this frontal torus is going to move because of a little bit of sun?

That thing is a helmet for the eye socket. It doesn't move.
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Old 29th November 2012, 11:34 AM   #10200
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Originally Posted by SweatyYeti View Post
Patty's cheekbone becomes lit-up by the sunlight in Frame 348, LT. Therefore...the direct sunlight could very well also be shining in her eyes.

Hence...the lowering of her eyebrow.
Why the desperate need to believe in the existence of bigfoot?
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