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Dear Steering Committee of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice
Dear Steering Committee of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice,
I hereby resign my membership with Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice and respectfully demand that all information on the public web site regarding my membership status be updated to reflect this or be removed. My reasons for this decision are that the organization does not live up to its charter regarding “evidence based scientific inquiry” or democratic principles. I have repeatedly called on the steering committee to reign in abuses by the moderator (Victoria Ashley) on the discussion forum only to be ignored. The abuses have ranged from anti-scientific censorship tactics (i.e. moving unwanted arguments to the “Debunker” sub-forum) to the banning of members who actually call others to the mat to support their spurious claims. I have repeatedly asked the steering committee to make a simple statement to the effect that ALL evidence based arguments should be permitted on the “Scientific Analysis” sub-forum. An earlier letter to the steering committee:
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The organization, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, is supposed to be democratic in accord with the frequently asked questions on the web site which is as close to a charter as I can find for the group:
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Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed by the organization. In my opinion the group no longer functions in its search for truth, but has come down on the side of delusion and misinformation. I hope my resignation is a wakeup call to the steering committee and members. Justice can never be served if the truth is secondary to the movement. Sincerely, Gregory Urich |
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I assume this was posted at their website as well....
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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Gregory, I am baffled that it took you this long to come to those conclusions,
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911 resource site by Mark Roberts http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home Gravy: Christopher7; You are a Basking Shark in a sea of ignorance. Galileo:The jury said I didn't have any mental defects or diseases, they declared me 100% sane. Has a jury ever declared you sane? Don’t get me lol’n off my chesterfield dude. |
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"My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims, like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy - the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament." - Dr. Evil |
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Actually, I came to this conclusion about a year ago but I wanted to retain access to the discussion forum to try and argue for rationality. Since I recently got banned from the discussion forum, I have no reason to remain a member. I got banned for a statement to the effect that:
"I continue to search for the truth, which is why I don't spend much time here anymore." |
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I don't know if you are from the U.S., but if you use snail mail, you can request a Return Receipt with the signature and address of the recipient. This way if they do not honor your request to be removed from their list of registered members, you have some proof that not only did you make the request, but that someone acknowledged receiving it. I admit, you can do the same thing with e-mail Return Receipt. |
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Let see if I understand this correctly, a member of the steering committee, the members charged with managing the group, was banned from the forums for arguing in your favor?
How is that possible other than showing that the committee is nothing but a public figurehead that holds no real authority. |
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I cannot say I am the least bit surprised by their actions. Welcome to Pseudoscience at its finest GU.
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And Victoria Ashley? Who is that? Did you ever meet her? B. Architecture, M.A.,Psychology - Psychology researcher. Has, according to 911research's "Who are we", " ... contributed unique insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement." |
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Who is anybody? I think she's been the moderator of the STJ911 forum since its inception. I've heard that she is Jim Hoffman's wife or "partner". I don't know if that's true but my impression is that she is well connected within the truth movement.
What I do know is that she single handedly, with the support of Kevin Ryan, destroyed the scientific process on that forum. Valid arguments were segregated based on the source (e.g. Greening, Mackey, etc.) so that they wouldn't gain any weight. Presenting evidence against CD was tolerated for a short while but then it was made heretical and relegated to the debunker subforum. There are no (and never have been any) debunkers on that forum! |
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Bolding mine. This surprises me, I would have assumed that Dr. Jones was very much driving the behavior of the group.
Anyway, you tried. I give you credit for sticking with them long, long after I would have written them off -- you have to admit, the latest "paper" by Dr. MacQueen and Mr. Szamboti is neither the first pile of junk, nor the worst, they've put forth. It's a pity you couldn't help them see their own problems. In the end, your goals were simply incompatible. You're looking for factual answers, and they're not. |
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She's also reportedly Victronix on the Truth Action Forums, the preferred hangout of the "responsible" Truthers. Here's a pic of her from Carol Brouillet:
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Thanks for posting this, Gregory. You made a wise decision.
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When Jim Hoffman has been e-mailed regarding the contents of his 911research site, Victoria Ashley has responded, so there is at least some connection between them.
Here is what is said about Ashley at 911research:
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Great Ceasar's Ghost!
The members don't know who runs the place? So they have their own little Shadow Government thing going there? A proper little anonymous oligarchy. So just who is it secretly pulling the strings to give us "Truth and Justice" as if it were some kind of Punch and Judy show staged by mental patients for those less fortunate than themselves? Jones, Victoria Ashley, Hoffman... who else is there? |
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Gregory, you have my sympathy over the way STJ911 has treated you. The organisation appears to be a clique run for the benefit of a small minority of its members, and has lost any sight it ever had of its aims. I think you're doing the right thing making a break from them; there's only so long anyone can put up with being the only sane person in the room.
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The STJ Blog reveals the STJ911.org committee members as of August 2008:
The STJ911 Committee Victoria Ashley, Frank Legge, Nicholas Newton, Chris Poate, Kevin Ryan, Carl Weis |
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Actually, I don't know what Jones's role at STJ911.org is. The committee seems to run things over there. Here is a selected compilation of text from the STJ911.org site, that may help clear the picture.
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I don't know how outdated that info is. The original 2006 members of the ad-hoc committee included Frank Legge, Victoria Ashley and Kevin Ryan. I don't know, like Gregory said, if they actually have had any election "in the near future" after that text was written, since in August 2008 those same people were still members of the committee. But it seems, that STJ911.org and JONES are sister sites, and Jones is much more involved with JONES than STJ911.org. The committee runs STJ911.org and Jones actually only seems to be a regular member there nowadays. Unless he is running things behind the scenes ![]() |
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I fine decision Gregory!
You are a engineer right? |
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They took action! I could not find your name posted at S911TJ any more. If only they would take action and use logic and evidence instead of delusions.
Have you removed your name from the 911Truth petition that claims to have “ample evidence” to blame others for 911 instead of the terrorists? Wow, the mother of all web pages - http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html still has you a loyal member and drank the Kool-aid engineer for 911Truth.
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Last edited by beachnut; 28th January 2009 at 08:53 PM. Reason: You could tell those guy 19 terrorist did 911 and save them from stupid |
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That is my critique of Alan Miller's "Patriots Question 9/11" site, that I wrote a year or so ago for my site. I can erase Urich name from there, at least the STJ part.
Greg, do you still stand by the Petition of Solidarity to the Attorney General of New York? I can erase that too, if the info is outdated. But I think the erases will not be that easy with Alan Miller site ![]() |
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Alan is the patriots page?
Patriots have people who I have tired to tell they are posted at a web site of anti-intelligence. People like General Clark are still there; I guess my attempts are dismissed as spam. And Clark is suppose to be highly intelligent. I guess all people are created equal, and free choice is an option. Who has chosen to be on the web page of 911Truth delusions? To me the Patriot for 911Truth web site is a list of people who suspended rational thought to buy into delusions of 911Truth. |
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The "Patriots question 9/11" site is really sad. It is the product of one Alan Miller, who decides himself who he wants to include. He lists every single person who has, by his interpretation, said anything even remotely suggestive of an inside job. Of course, his interpretations are dead wrong. He has, for example, included people who died on 9/11 as "patriots who question 9/11". One good example is Frank A. Demartini.
That is one sad, sad site. |
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A very sad site. When you dig into it, you also realize that many of the scholars allegedly supporting 9/11 truth, are merely friends and associates of David Ray Griffin, who reviewed (likely as a favor) his book for him.
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Nice to have web sites like yours http://911guide.googlepages.com/
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I have started writing a personal statement to "Patriots" but I am not finished yet. I do indeed distance my self from the claim of ample evidence, but unfortunately one can not unsign a petition.
I still think a new "real" investigation would uncover gross negligence and obstruction of justice. In that context, I support the call for a new investigation. Nonetheless, the truth movement so misguided that I no longer support it. |
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