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Old 26th January 2009, 01:48 AM   #1
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After David Ray Griffin visits Japan, leading left newspaper abandons 9/11 truth

Hi JREF,

You may remember from threads such as 'David Ray Griffin in Japan (appearing with anti-semites and UFO believers)' and the ScrewLooseChange post about David Ray Griffin's appearance at the '9/11 Truth Forum in Osaka'. It was at this forum where I, and others skeptical of the truth movements claims, had the chance to confront David Ray Griffin about the lies and deliberate misinterpretations that he has peddled for years with hardly any criticism.

Here's a summary of the day:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-in-osaka.html

I had not made it down to the "People's Newspaper" afterwards to find out what the aftershocks were to this event, but it was already clear by the end when the Editor of the paper gave a closing address that quoted Chomsky's debunking of conspiracy theories that the "People's Newspaper" was not convinced on 9/11 conspiracy. This despite the fact that they had peddled this line for over three years.

Last weekend I went to pick up some video of the event at their offices and got a copy of the paper they put out directly after the event. This issue is a STEP by STEP debunking of Griffin's claims which points out the errors and logical fallacies of the so-called "truth movement" and ends with the lead editor concluding that "after putting on this event, I want to make it clear that I can no longer advocate for the truth movement with any confidence". At multiple points the People's Newspaper notes that Griffin supports conspiracy theories about the events of Pearl Harbor, and the reactionary character of his rhetoric (I know from a personal account that the newspaper editor went to a 'truth conference' in Tokyo and was shocked to find himself surrounded by Japanese fascists'). If you visit the paper's site here: http://www.jimmin.com/index.html you will find that they are no longer endorsing 9/11 truth books or positions. These results speak for themselves. The truth movement has not only lost a community of potential believers here, one of the biggest left newspapers in Osaka has finally restored its name by slaying this absurd albatross.

The results speak for themselves (if you read Japanese):







I'm not sure exactly how much my own intervention added to the "People's Newspaper" and conference attendee's rejection of conspiracy mumbo-jumbo. Watching the video, I think I came off a bit arrogant. Frankly I could have been a bit more cordial. I think it is likely that one of the 'People's newspaper' staff that earlier questioned Griffin about obvious evidence of a plane at the Pentagon did a lot more damage, in a more methodical way. Griffin's absolutely pathetic attempts to refute the obvious evidence was also a clincher I believe.

So let's sum up:

What should have been the impetus for "energizing" the "truth movement" in Osaka has instead severed this movement from one of the few left organizations in the country that supported them. Besides another left publication called "Shuukan Kinyoubi", the only ones left are the UFO crackpots like Yumi Kikuchi and obvious anti-semites like Richard Koizumi.

Now hopefully the process of reflection:

Why were we duped?
Why were we so eager to believe that the US government/Israel is omnipotent?
Why did we ignore the existence and intent of fundamentalist and extremist Al Queda?

can begin.

Lessons for skeptics:

Even people that are hardcore into the conspiracy theory, and yet still retain a social understanding of the world, can probably be reasoned with. In this case, my participation was only an opportunity the People's Newspaper needed to free themselves.

It is worth confronting deniers where they appear.
Like they do, we must play to the audience and answer THEIR questions, not get distracted by the double talk of paid liars whose only interest is in keeping the game shucking and jiving.

I will try to get the video up at some point. Walter Ego, could you help me with video editing? Need to do quite a bit of sub-titling...Pat and Brainster, would you post this as a follow up to the Osaka conference? Let me do a little editing over the next couple days before you do it though...

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Old 26th January 2009, 02:22 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by adversity1 View Post

It is worth confronting deniers where they appear.
Like they do, we must play to the audience and answer THEIR questions, not get distracted by the double talk of paid liars whose only interest is in keeping the game shucking and jiving.

I will try to get the video up at some point. Walter Ego, could you help me with video editing? Need to do quite a bit of sub-titling...Pat and Brainster, would you post this as a follow up to the Osaka conference? Let me do a little editing over the next couple days before you do it though...

Excellent job. Looking forward to seeing the video.

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Old 26th January 2009, 05:09 AM   #4
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Great job, Adversity1! I'd be happy to put up your post on SLC when you feel it's ready. One suggestion: Since most of us can't read Japanese, you might take just one point of the debunking that the People's Newspaper did and translate that part for us.

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Awesome, Bravo, good job.....
Now only if we knew how to read Japanese.
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Am I right in presuming that a lot of the Japanese politicians who support Griffith are the same bozos who try to whitewash Japan's history from 1932 to 1945. I would not be surprised.
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Old 26th January 2009, 02:07 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by adversity1 View Post
Hi JREF,

You may remember from threads such as 'David Ray Griffin in Japan (appearing with anti-semites and UFO believers)' and the ScrewLooseChange post about David Ray Griffin's appearance at the '9/11 Truth Forum in Osaka'. It was at this forum where I, and others skeptical of the truth movements claims, had the chance to confront David Ray Griffin about the lies and deliberate misinterpretations that he has peddled for years with hardly any criticism.

Here's a summary of the day:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...-in-osaka.html

I had not made it down to the "People's Newspaper" afterwards to find out what the aftershocks were to this event, but it was already clear by the end when the Editor of the paper gave a closing address that quoted Chomsky's debunking of conspiracy theories that the "People's Newspaper" was not convinced on 9/11 conspiracy. This despite the fact that they had peddled this line for over three years.

Last weekend I went to pick up some video of the event at their offices and got a copy of the paper they put out directly after the event. This issue is a STEP by STEP debunking of Griffin's claims which points out the errors and logical fallacies of the so-called "truth movement" and ends with the lead editor concluding that "after putting on this event, I want to make it clear that I can no longer advocate for the truth movement with any confidence". At multiple points the People's Newspaper notes that Griffin supports conspiracy theories about the events of Pearl Harbor, and the reactionary character of his rhetoric (I know from a personal account that the newspaper editor went to a 'truth conference' in Tokyo and was shocked to find himself surrounded by Japanese fascists'). If you visit the paper's site here: http://www.jimmin.com/index.html you will find that they are no longer endorsing 9/11 truth books or positions. These results speak for themselves. The truth movement has not only lost a community of potential believers here, one of the biggest left newspapers in Osaka has finally restored its name by slaying this absurd albatross.

The results speak for themselves (if you read Japanese):

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...0ed7f955dc.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/...3920cb4bcb.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3325/...18833532fc.jpg

I'm not sure exactly how much my own intervention added to the "People's Newspaper" and conference attendee's rejection of conspiracy mumbo-jumbo. Watching the video, I think I came off a bit arrogant. Frankly I could have been a bit more cordial. I think it is likely that one of the 'People's newspaper' staff that earlier questioned Griffin about obvious evidence of a plane at the Pentagon did a lot more damage, in a more methodical way. Griffin's absolutely pathetic attempts to refute the obvious evidence was also a clincher I believe.

So let's sum up:

What should have been the impetus for "energizing" the "truth movement" in Osaka has instead severed this movement from one of the few left organizations in the country that supported them. Besides another left publication called "Shuukan Kinyoubi", the only ones left are the UFO crackpots like Yumi Kikuchi and obvious anti-semites like Richard Koizumi.

Now hopefully the process of reflection:

Why were we duped?
Why were we so eager to believe that the US government/Israel is omnipotent?
Why did we ignore the existence and intent of fundamentalist and extremist Al Queda?

can begin.

Lessons for skeptics:

Even people that are hardcore into the conspiracy theory, and yet still retain a social understanding of the world, can probably be reasoned with. In this case, my participation was only an opportunity the People's Newspaper needed to free themselves.

It is worth confronting deniers where they appear.
Like they do, we must play to the audience and answer THEIR questions, not get distracted by the double talk of paid liars whose only interest is in keeping the game shucking and jiving.

I will try to get the video up at some point. Walter Ego, could you help me with video editing? Need to do quite a bit of sub-titling...Pat and Brainster, would you post this as a follow up to the Osaka conference? Let me do a little editing over the next couple days before you do it though...
This is great news! I wish all the communist pinkoes would join the 9/11 False movement.
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Ok, will post up some translation in a couple days. Hopefully video too...
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And they say we are not winning.

Again, it has been proven, that debunkers really don't have to work hard to defeat 9-11 truthers. They defeat themselves.
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This is great news! I wish all the communist pinkoes would join the 9/11 False movement.
how very....1950s of you.

I'm sure Joe McCarthy, the KKK, Neo-Nazis, Adolf Hitler, George Lincoln Rockwell, and other right-wingers would be happy to know that "the Truth"...is on their side.

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Awesome, Bravo, good job.....
Now only if we knew how to read Japanese.
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Originally Posted by CptColumbo View Post
Go learn.


I find it quite amusing how he implies none of us can read Japanese.....right after Hokulele's post.
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本当ね.


Sorry, I can't read Japanese!


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Sorry, I can't read Japanese!


It says something like:

"Don't you think? truth"

(I cheated <.< >.>)
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Sorry, I can't read Japanese!


The only word I know in Japanese is the most common word in console rpgs:

"....."
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear View Post
It says something like:

"Don't you think? truth"

(I cheated <.< >.>)

In this context, it means "Very true."
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Meh. I bet DRG could pick up a few sympathetic ears in what's left of Aum Shinrikyo (sp?)
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Trying to edit this post but the edit button is not appearing. Any ideas?
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Trying to edit this post but the edit button is not appearing. Any ideas?
You mean the OP?

You can report your own OP (the triangle with the "!" on the left) and in the message to the mods/admins you can describe what you would like to have changed.
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Trying to edit this post but the edit button is not appearing. Any ideas?


You're only allowed a limited time to edit your own posts - I think it's 2 hours, but don't quote me on that.
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本当ね.
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You're only allowed a limited time to edit your own posts - I think it's 2 hours, but don't quote me on that.
Why not?
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Sorry, I don't speak hex characters.
Need to turn on Character Encoding > Shift JIS for your browser (And auto detect)
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Hey Brainster, I PMed you my updated post.

Apparently, I'd have to start a whole new thread to post the update.
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Hey Brainster, I PMed you my updated post.

Apparently, I'd have to start a whole new thread to post the update.
You can update this thread with a new post to update your OP.

Nice work.
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I have obtained the article on the People's Newspaper and reading it now.

Thanks, adversity1.
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Why not?


What did I just say?
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One of the Japanese opposition menbers of the House of Councilors, Yukihisa Fujita, recently published a book about 9/11CT.
(Mr. Fujita seems to be one of the members of "Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth")
One of the coauthurs is David R. Griffin.

I am a bit concerned about this book because it might fuel 9/11CT movement in Japan a little.
But it may not have a big influence to the public because of the failure of DRG in Osaka to promote 9/11CT.
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Unfortunately, Fujita has more audience outside Japan...
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Unfortunately, Fujita has more audience outside Japan...
You mean he is popular in the United States and Europe?
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As far as I know about trutherism in Europe, he is well known just because he's a deputy who dared challenge the "official version" in a session of the japanese assembly. And it is *just* that: an argument from authority.

Twoofers like to bring this kind of argument to point that "some people from the international community disagree with the official version".
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Hey Brainster, I PMed you my updated post.

Apparently, I'd have to start a whole new thread to post the update.
Hi,
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Probably best to just make it a new post in this thread. No need for a new thread that would be merged here anyway.
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Old 16th June 2009, 10:04 PM   #39
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On June 14th, Yukihisa Fujita appeared on a Japanese television show "Sokomade itte iinkai" and presented his 911 CT.

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An American TV producer Dave Spector called him a fool, but his objection was weak.
I'm afraid that this show may have some impact on Japanese public.

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On June 14th, Yukihisa Fujita appeared on a Japanese television show "Sokomade itte iinkai" and presented his 911 CT.

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An American TV producer Dave Spector called him a fool, but his objection was weak.
I'm afraid that this show may have some impact on Japanese public.
Sounds to me like someone needs to do a Japanese version of 9/11 Myths.

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