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Old 11th February 2009, 11:57 PM   #1
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Investigative Journalist Stewart Bradley vs. Mark Roberts

from: Mark Roberts <nyctours@gmail.com>
to: st0069@hotmail.com
date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009

subject: Face off with the Debunkers. Part 1 – Mark Roberts

Hello Stewart.

It's been brought to my attention that you made a blog post in which you claim to have had a debate via YouTube comments with me. You didn't. I have never gone by the name "clunkityclunk4truth" or anything like it, I did not host the video channel you refer to or make those videos, and I have never debated via YouTube comments.

Your work stands as an exemplar of 9/11 "Truth Movement" research.

I expect your apology and retraction in bold print at the beginning of that blog post to make it clear that the person you were debating was not me and did not represent him or herself as me.

Sincerely,
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Old 12th February 2009, 12:42 AM   #2
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Clunkityclunk4truth was blender head, a 21 year old from Colorado who likes Bad Religion, Keith Olbermann, and anything that has to do with left wing politics.

Is this you? If not, someone's posing as you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/markroberts911

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Old 12th February 2009, 12:53 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
Clunkityclunk4truth was blender head, a 21 year old from Colorado who likes Bad Religion, Keith Olbermann, and anything that has to do with left wing politics.
He had sent an email last month saying that truthers had gotten the site pulled. I hadn't seen the site and didn't know anyone was confusing us until now. Unfortunately Bradley's post was picked up by several other blogs and websites.

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Is this you? If not, someone's posing as you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/markroberts911
It's not, but it's a very common name. I sent a message asking him to disambiguate for his viewers, if he has any. Thanks.
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Old 12th February 2009, 01:13 AM   #4
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I "like" how he's describing you...

"although he works as a NYC guide", which sounds to me like "hey, don't trust this guy, he's just a guide, don't care about his work! From their side, troofers have experts!"
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Old 12th February 2009, 01:17 AM   #5
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I don't think it was the truthers who got his accounts closed. Blender Head's YouTube accounts always had some copyrighted material. He posted Bill Maher shows, Keith Olbermann, and many other videos I think were copyrighted by Viacom. He got his other account suspended, ArmchairRevolution. He used to mention you a lot when he had his 9/11 channels. That's probably why truthers thought he was you. Now he has another account, politikaljunkie.

ETA and a little OT: Truthers love "debating" via YouTube comments. With the unlimited number of sockpuppets one can have, one can just mark all the "debunkers'" comments as spam or thumbs down and the comment won't be shown. Any post of substance by anyone (however rare it is) can be wiped off the first page in seconds and near impossible to find just by pouding away comment after comment. They do it all the time. Truther forums may be going the way of the dinosaur, but they made YouTube their new breeding ground.

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Maybe there are two Mark Roberts that work as tour guides who also are debunkers. Just a coincidence. You know how they are.
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Maybe Gravy is just a hologram? Just asking questions you know......
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Old 12th February 2009, 05:28 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Gravy View Post
He had sent an email last month saying that truthers had gotten the site pulled. I hadn't seen the site and didn't know anyone was confusing us until now. Unfortunately Bradley's post was picked up by several other blogs and websites.
Oh no. With the current tally of removed factual errors from truthersites, we'll be spending the coming years debunking newbie truthers "Mark Robert lost the Youtube debate!" claims. Sigh.
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Originally Posted by Panoply_Prefect View Post
Oh no. With the current tally of removed factual errors from truthersites, we'll be spending the coming years debunking newbie truthers "Mark Robert lost the Youtube debate!" claims. Sigh.
We could confuse them with a Flash Mob of "Mark Roberts" at Ground Zero.
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The page appears to have been taken down. Once again, a Truther fails to admit their mistakes and instead just pretends like it never happened.

Bonus: Title of a blog entry from December 24, 2008: "Newly Surfaced Video Proves Existence of Plan to "Take Down" Building 7" complete with link to a prisonplanet.com article titled "FDNY Lieutenant Admitted Plan To ‘Take Down’ WTC7". So this guy is just another FDNY-hating scumbag. Classy stuff.
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Old 12th February 2009, 09:24 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by 240-185 View Post
I "like" how he's describing you...

"although he works as a NYC guide", which sounds to me like "hey, don't trust this guy, he's just a guide, don't care about his work! From their side, troofers have experts!"
Wait. Mark is a GUIDE? That makes him a pilot. Therefore, according to pfft logic, he didn't even need to do any research to know everything there is about 9/11. Wow, Mark, you wasted all that time.
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Originally Posted by Tweeter View Post
Maybe there are two Mark Roberts that work as tour guides who also are debunkers. Just a coincidence. You know how they are.
It's a common name. I'm not a tour guide and my last name isn't Roberts, but I'm half-way there.
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Maybe there are two Mark Roberts that work as tour guides who also are debunkers. Just a coincidence. You know how they are.
"Mark Roberts" is also (or atleast was) one of the producers of "Two and a Half Men" with Charlie Shean. I don't believe it's the same one. What's your point?
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A correction and apology has now been posted.
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A correction and apology has now been posted.
Well he did correct it, which does count for something; despite not agreeing with his overall position. Fairness in a debate is a very positive thing.
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A correction and apology has now been posted.
That's good. He was going to keep the post pulled, but I asked him to restore it and add the correction. Otherwise no one who was linked to it from other blogs or sites would know about the error, and would assume that I'd been "pwned" as described in the comments at those sites.
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Well he did correct it, which does count for something; despite not agreeing with his overall position. Fairness in a debate is a very positive thing.
If he had the knowledge he could correct his delusional stand on 911. He spews crap as if it was the truth. This may be the only thing he ever gets right on 911.

Why can't he research 911 like he finally figure out this tough topic?
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If he had the knowledge he could correct his delusional stand on 911. He spews crap as if it was the truth. This may be the only thing he ever gets right on 911.

Why can't he research 911 like he finally figure out this tough topic?
Oh, don't get me wrong. I believe he could actually apply the same logic to 9-11. It is unfortunate that only after being embarassed can he correct a completely wrong story.

I didn't mean to imply that I was 100% supportive of the guy, and I would hope that this might awaken him to actually look into the research of Mark Roberts. Because that was what snapped me out of the truther mindset.
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A correction and apology has now been posted.
Good on him. I retract my previous snide comment.
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That's good. He was going to keep the post pulled, but I asked him to restore it and add the correction. Otherwise no one who was linked to it from other blogs or sites would know about the error, and would assume that I'd been "pwned" as described in the comments at those sites.
You handled that very well, Mark.
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The bigger question now is....

"Will the two actually debate in RL, or not?"

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Hello Mark this John-Michael from the "debunking the debunkers blog" I was always planning on putting it back up with a correction and apology from Stewart. When I first heard about it on Care2 I posted...

"Thanks for the info RU. I'm sure this was an honest mistake, I'll get more info, and pull the blog post until I know more."

I'm pretty sure Stewart would actually want to do the debate.

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That's the reason it has the same URL, I just saved it back to draft until he updated it.
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
The bigger question now is....

"Will the two actually debate in RL, or not?"

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This reminds me of Mark Gaffney, the guy who wrote the book about the "mystery plane" that's no mystery. He wrote to me, said he'd been reading my site and had some issues with my analysis. He asked me to read his detailed analysis of NIST's report on the Twin Towers. He'd had it online for over a year.

I responded that I got as far as the part in the first paragraph where he called NIST the "National Institute of Safety and Transportation," then I closed the window. I asked him to get back to me in a year if he'd actually read the report by then.

He replied that he didn't think anyone had read the whole report. I said that not only had I read it, but I'd studied much of it, taken copious notes, read several analyses of its methods and conclusions, and read many other engineering reports. I corrected him about the gross errors he'd made in the few killer points he attempted to make by email.

He said he'd get back to me. That was in 2007.
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Hello Mark this John-Michael from the "debunking the debunkers blog" I was always planning on putting it back up with a correction and apology from Stewart. When I first heard about it on Care2 I posted...

"Thanks for the info RU. I'm sure this was an honest mistake, I'll get more info, and pull the blog post until I know more."
Hi, John-Michael, and thanks.

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I'm pretty sure Stewart would actually want to do the debate.

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Ah, T.A.M. was joking about that above, for obvious reasons.
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Originally Posted by golotomer View Post
Hello Mark this John-Michael from the "debunking the debunkers blog" I was always planning on putting it back up with a correction and apology from Stewart. When I first heard about it on Care2 I posted...

"Thanks for the info RU. I'm sure this was an honest mistake, I'll get more info, and pull the blog post until I know more."

I'm pretty sure Stewart would actually want to do the debate.

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How do you debate bat crazy ideas from 911, pure delusions?

With zero evidence and poor Stewart arguing about exercises on 911 already debunked years ago, how do you debate fantasy and ignorance when the 911Truth person has drank the Kool-Aid and uses hearsay, lies and fantasy for evidence. 7 years and only those who lack knowledge and the ability to exercise sound judgment back the delusions of 911Truth.
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Easy there, beachnut. Not every thread needs a rant.

A while ago I was typing a ranty PM, and I noticed that even my hands looked angry. I took a photo. Now, rather than posting repetitive rants, I just post Angry Hand. Saves a lot of typing.

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Debating truthers is dumb. I don't do it anymore. I now spend my time playing with girls. =)
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How do you debate bat crazy ideas from 911, pure delusions?

With zero evidence and poor Stewart arguing about exercises on 911 already debunked years ago, how do you debate fantasy and ignorance when the 911Truth person has drank the Kool-Aid and uses hearsay, lies and fantasy for evidence. 7 years and only those who lack knowledge and the ability to exercise sound judgment back the delusions of 911Truth.
Relax, I am not calling for any form of debating. If you have read my posts as of late, you would realize that I have declared debating any of these fellows as a useless exercise. Literally beating a dead horse.

Mark was right, it was in jest. I thought the winking smilie gave it away.

Oh well.

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Easy there, beachnut. Not every thread needs a rant.

A while ago I was typing a ranty PM, and I noticed that even my hands looked angry. I took a photo. Now, rather than posting repetitive rants, I just post Angry Hand. Saves a lot of typing.

I've seen that hand before. The horror!

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Easy there, beachnut. Not every thread needs a rant.

Now I have to work out to get my angry hand photo. Stop working out!

I an not angry, I am baby sitting my grandkids for my daughter the Nurse and her husband the out of work (most of the time now) construction guy who is going to school for his business degree. I have changed diapers today with more substantive evidence than all of 911Truth. How does a jet pilot trained by the USAF become a nanny? Oops crying… That was quick, just a nightmare, and need of a bottle.

Have a great weekend.

What is the definition of an Investigative Journalist who supports 911Truth?

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How does a jet pilot trained by the USAF become a nanny?


You're highly qualified to know where they'll aim.

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You're highly qualified to know where they'll aim.
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Yeah I knew that probably wasn't said in all seriousness about doing the debate, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. I forgot the smiley face, but I was smiling.
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This reminds me of Mark Gaffney, the guy who wrote the book about the "mystery plane" that's no mystery. He wrote to me, said he'd been reading my site and had some issues with my analysis. He asked me to read his detailed analysis of NIST's report on the Twin Towers. He'd had it online for over a year.

I responded that I got as far as the part in the first paragraph where he called NIST the "National Institute of Safety and Transportation," then I closed the window. I asked him to get back to me in a year if he'd actually read the report by then.

He replied that he didn't think anyone had read the whole report. I said that not only had I read it, but I'd studied much of it, taken copious notes, read several analyses of its methods and conclusions, and read many other engineering reports. I corrected him about the gross errors he'd made in the few killer points he attempted to make by email.

He said he'd get back to me. That was in 2007.
Gaffney is a regular poster over at Orangemane.com, a Denver Broncos forum (I'm a Chargers fan myself but I've been sucked into their politics subforum).

Your post here was brought up over there and here is Gaffo's response:

Originally Posted by Gaffo
The only error Roberts found was a minor detail -- a point of fact -- that had no bearing on the big picture. In fact, it was so minor I'd have to go back through my emails to identify it.

He never compiled a list of problems or issues with my paper. No one has shown any errors in the analysis -- nor with my conclusions -- not to this day.
h**p://w**.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=81807&page=4

(Sorry about the *s, but I can't yet post links)

So naturally I'm curious about what you debunked from his claims. Do you by any chance have a copy of your response to Gaff? I'd love to see it. Thanks!

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fixed that for you


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So naturally I'm curious about what you debunked from his claims. Do you by any chance have a copy of your response to Gaff? I'd love to see it. Thanks!

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Sure do, and I'll be very glad to post our whole exchange (several emails) here if you can get his written permission to do so. Be warned: Gaffney's statements devolve into sadly typical truther paranoia involving my refusal to credit Steven Jones, William Rodriguez, and others for their accurate 9/11 analyses, followed by an accusation that I am a "DISINFO" agent who will be "exposed" for my wrongdoings. He said (in 2007) that he'd be dealing with me in an upcoming book.

Also, a correction: it wasn't me who discovered that Gaffney, in his "detailed review" of the NIST WTC 1 & 2 reports, calls NIST the "National Institute for Safety and Transportation." That info came from a JREF forum member who nominated Gaffney's blazing firebrand of ignorance for a Stundie award, of which I advised Gaffney. The Stundie is awarded by some JREF forum members to the conspiracist whom they judge to have posted the stupidest or looniest statement of the month. Like most truthers, Gaffney remains untroubled by his own stupidity: his ignorance of NIST remains online today, in 2009:



My critiques are of Gaffney's statements in his emails to me, not of the paper he wanted me to spend my valuable time reading. Why the hell would I read a "detailed review" written by a paranoiac who hasn't read the study he purports to be reviewing and who is ignorant of the role of the agency that produced the study?

Feel free to post this elsewhere if you think it will help.
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Sure do, and I'll be very glad to post our whole exchange (several emails) here if you can get his written permission to do so. Be warned: Gaffney's statements devolve into sadly typical truther paranoia involving my refusal to credit Steven Jones, William Rodriguez, and others for their accurate 9/11 analyses, followed by an accusation that I am a "DISINFO" agent who will be "exposed" for my wrongdoings. He said (in 2007) that he'd be dealing with me in an upcoming book.

Also, a correction: it wasn't me who discovered that Gaffney, in his "detailed review" of the NIST WTC 1 & 2 reports, calls NIST the "National Institute of Safety and Transportation." That info came from a JREF forum member who nominated Gaffney's blazing firebrand of ignorance for a Stundie award, of which I advised Gaffney. The Stundie is awarded by some JREF forum members to the conspiracist whom they judge to have posted the stupidest or looniest statement of the month. Like most truthers, Gaffney remains untroubled by his own stupidity: his ignorance of what NIST is remains today:


My critiques are of Gaffney's statements in his emails to me. Why the hell would I read a "detailed review" written by someone who hasn't read the study he purports to be reviewing and who is ignorant of the role of the agency that produced the study?

Feel free to post this elsewhere if you think it will help.


Appreciate it. I've challenged Gaff to respond. Somehow I doubt that consent will be forthcoming, but it's worth a try.
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...Somehow I doubt that consent will be forthcoming...
Betcha it is. As a rule, these people are not blessed with self-awareness.
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