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Old 16th February 2009, 03:29 AM   #1
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A letter of thanks to Richard Gage

I had wanted to post this to the existing thread, but it was closed due to off-topic posts.


from: Mark Roberts
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date: Mon, Feb 16, 2009
subject: Thanks!


Dear Richard,

I note with interest your promotion of Anders Bjorkman as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth's "Petitioner of the Month" for February. I wholeheartedly agree that he's a fitting addition to your pantheon of "professional" petitioners. Take care that he doesn't steal your limelight though: his "3.5 m tower (95 boxes) with an 0.5 m pizza impactor" has had an ecstatic reception from bedazzled four-year-olds at ChuckE.Cheese's restaurants nationwide.

From my website:

We've seen the staggeringly ignorant and outright bizarre nonsense spewed by Gage and the "experts" whose opinions he promotes. Is Björkman's promotion by AE911Truth another fallacious appeal to authority, or has he done some sensible analysis of the events of 9/11? Bjorkman posts as "Heiwa" on the JREF forum:
I note also that in addition to still not correcting your online slide presentation's avalanche of major errors about the events of 9/11, you continue to claim that your organization has a full-time staff of a dozen people. You'll recall that this was the first thing I corrected you about during our Hardfire shows. I'm very curious to know how you justify to yourself this blatant lie when appealing for money.

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Old 16th February 2009, 03:45 AM   #2
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I didn't know how much I had missed for almost completely ignoring all Heiwa posts. I almost dropped out of my chair reading those.
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Nice letter, Gravy, I'll bookmark this!
What is scaring is that French twoofers begin to rely on Heiwa.

From another part, although Tweeter is right concerning Gage's reaction when reading the letter, he'll exist only as ignored messages. Grow up, kid.
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The likeness of gage is incredible, no?
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Old 16th February 2009, 03:53 AM   #6
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WTC1:s structure was very much like a cheese.
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Thats better than "clunkity-clunk", "see-saw analogy moot", "political truth is higher than scientific truth" put together.
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Old 16th February 2009, 04:58 AM   #8
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The likeness of gage is incredible, no?
I like the way he can't figure out which way the paper goes into the shredder. Looks like Gage to me.

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Old 16th February 2009, 05:09 AM   #9
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I like the way he can't figure out which way the paper goes into the shredder. Looks like Gage to me.

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I didn't know how much I had missed for almost completely ignoring all Heiwa posts. I almost dropped out of my chair reading those.

Ditto here. I began to read one or two of his posts in the beginning but decided quickly to give it up. I could only read a few of Gravy's links in the OP before I got dizzy. And I never knew who Heiwa was until today.
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Nice letter, Gravy, I'll bookmark this!
What is scaring is that French twoofers begin to rely on Heiwa.
That's to be expected. The truthers wouldn't be promoting Heiwa's lunacy if they had someone better. And as wrongheaded as he is, he's at least put what remains of his reputation on the line by posting his calculations, which is more than we can say for Gage or almost every other truther.
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You missed his claim that if the top portion of the WTC was dropped on the bottom portion from a height of 2 miles it would just bounce off.
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... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons.
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... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons.

not lemons...
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A Gold Star for that, Mark.

http://krunktar.com/images/gold_star.jpg

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Next up: Gage uses Chinese Take-Out Food boxes to model Beijing hotel fire.
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Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins View Post
not lemons...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...47#post4426647

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Great work and a brilliant resource.
I'm half tempted to sign up at A+E just to point them at the work of their new hero.
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Wow great job Gravy!

This made my day! :P
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I think Gravy followed the old proverb

"If life hands you lemons, make lemonade" (at least its a proverb in Sweden...)

EDIT: Darn. Someone had already made that connection in that other thread. Sigh.

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Old 16th February 2009, 12:08 PM   #21
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You missed his claim that if the top portion of the WTC was dropped on the bottom portion from a height of 2 miles it would just bounce off.
Oh, I'll have to find that one!

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... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons.
Thanks, I've added links to my site. Like some others, I've had Heiwa on ignore since his early days here. I missed a lot!
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This is a man who feels dropping an egg on an egg will NOT result in either being destroyed.

I guess if your only definition of "destroyed" is total molecular breakdown, then ya he has a point. Otherwise...oh my.

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Was the bathroom scale comparison included?
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Sorry, Mark, but I have to disagree. The man is an incompetent idiot who's grasp (or lack thereof) of structural or fire engineering issues has made him a laughing stock. It reflects badly on the professional as a hole, and his continuing attempts to press home is professional status just compounds the issue.

Of course if he feels aggrieved at my views, he's free to make a complaint to the RIBA and we'll deal with it as part of the official disciplinary channels. I'll not hold my breath, however, as any of the professional bodies in the UK would rip him to shreds. Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA.
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Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA.
It's hard for one to type a complaint while rolling on the floor laughing.
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Oh, I'll have to find that one!
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...66#post3825166
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Sorry, Mark, but I have to disagree. The man is an incompetent idiot who's grasp (or lack thereof) of structural or fire engineering issues has made him a laughing stock. It reflects badly on the professional as a hole, and his continuing attempts to press home is professional status just compounds the issue.

Of course if he feels aggrieved at my views, he's free to make a complaint to the RIBA and we'll deal with it as part of the official disciplinary channels. I'll not hold my breath, however, as any of the professional bodies in the UK would rip him to shreds. Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA.
Maybe I've been out of the game too long, but I honestly can't tell if this post is a joke, if you may have been quaffing some Islay ("professional as a hole"?), or if you somehow think I wasn't being sarcastic with Gage.

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Do you see what you have been missing Mark?
  1. The truth movement abandoned by almost normal delusional people
  2. Only the crazies remain
  3. ?????????
  4. PROFIT!!!
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you continue to claim that your organization has a full-time staff of a dozen people.
12 full-time staff people my ass.

(Can we say "ass" here?)

I think he might mean 12 people with no jobs who spend all day on the internet.
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One rather bizarre exchange resulted in him being asked why would people choose to jump, rather than face the inferno that was inside WTC 1. He claimed the fires were not intense, just hot enough "to barbeque a chicken", I believe his words were.

The answer.

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The people trapped in the WCT1 must have been horrified when WTC2 collapsed. I assume they concluded their tower would also collapse ... and some desperate persons decided to jump before that, etc. Terrible.
All here

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...t=87437&page=4

Right through from no planes at the WTCs, no plane at the Pentagon, CDs, fake evidence ,you name it, every single one.

What a treasure he must be to this group.

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The people trapped in the WCT1 must have been horrified when WTC2 collapsed. I assume they concluded their tower would also collapse ... and some desperate persons decided to jump before that, etc. Terrible.

Completely discounting the people who jumped before any collapse at all of course. Sick.

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exactly. The searing heat, and intolerable smoke had nothing to do with it. It was purely to avoid dying in a possible collapse.

What a *********** idiotic statement.

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So, you hear back from Gage yet?
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Was the bathroom scale comparison included?
Oh my.. I can't believe what I read.
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Thanks for the laugh Gravy, and nice to see you posting here again.


on edit: after reading through all the links, I've come the the conclusion Heiwa cannot be for real. Maybe he's waiting for the right "gotcha" moment?
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It reflects badly on the professional as a hole,
If by "the professional" you mean Heiwa, then I think you're missing a hyphen.

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Naw, just crap typing skills.

But, seriously, if there's one thing that really gets on my wick it's incompetence in the profession. This man is a fool, and disgraces us all.
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Oh my.. I can't believe what I read.
Believe it! The man sets the standard of ridiculous and beyond.
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