[Moderated] A letter of thanks to Richard Gage

Gravy · 16th February 2009, 03:29 AM

I had wanted to post this to the existing thread, but it was closed due to off-topic posts.

from: Mark Roberts
to: Richard Gage
date: Mon, Feb 16, 2009
subject: Thanks!

Dear Richard,

I note with interest your promotion of Anders Bjorkman as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth's "Petitioner of the Month" for February. I wholeheartedly agree that he's a fitting addition to your pantheon of "professional" petitioners. Take care that he doesn't steal your limelight though: his "3.5 m tower (95 boxes) with an 0.5 m pizza impactor" has had an ecstatic reception from bedazzled four-year-olds at ChuckE.Cheese's restaurants nationwide.

From my website:

We've seen the staggeringly ignorant and outright bizarre nonsense spewed by Gage and the "experts" whose opinions he promotes. Is Björkman's promotion by AE911Truth another fallacious appeal to authority, or has he done some sensible analysis of the events of 9/11? Bjorkman posts as "Heiwa" on the JREF forum:

Björkman claims that no planes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon. He claims that all evidence of the impacts is fake and all witness accounts invalid. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Björkman claims that airliners would have "bounced off" the Twin Towers.
Björkman claims that all photo and video evidence showing severe fires and structural failure in the WTC buildings is fake. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Björkman claims that WTC 7 was demolished by a vacuum.
Björkman believes that the authors of the NIST WTC reports don't exist.
Björkman believes that steel structures are indestructible, even by nuclear weapons. And again. And again.
However, Björkman also believes that 16,500-22,000 lbs of high explosives may have been used to demolish each Twin Tower...with no detectable detonations.
Björkman believes his house would survive an asteroid impact.
Björkman again attempts to revise the laws of physics.
Björkman says the Twin Tower fires were "minor office fires."
Björkman makes the egregiously false claim that the FDNY said it could handle the fires in the Towers.
Björkman believes that a column becomes stronger when its supports are removed.
Björkman proposes experiments to prove that the structures of the Twin Towers were comparable to cheese, pizza boxes, match boxes, rubber balls, and sponges.
Björkman has been nominated for the JREF forum "Stundie," an award for the looniest conspiracist statement of the month, far more times than anyone, and has been voted the "winner" several times.

I note also that in addition to still not correcting your online slide presentation's avalanche of major errors about the events of 9/11, you continue to claim that your organization has a full-time staff of a dozen people. You'll recall that this was the first thing I corrected you about during our Hardfire shows. I'm very curious to know how you justify to yourself this blatant lie when appealing for money.

Sincerely,
Mark Roberts

ref · 16th February 2009, 03:45 AM

I didn't know how much I had missed for almost completely ignoring all Heiwa posts. I almost dropped out of my chair reading those.

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240-185 · 16th February 2009, 03:48 AM

Nice letter, Gravy, I'll bookmark this!
What is scaring is that French twoofers begin to rely on Heiwa.

From another part, although Tweeter is right concerning Gage's reaction when reading the letter, he'll exist only as ignored messages. Grow up, kid.

Tweeter · 16th February 2009, 03:51 AM

The likeness of gage is incredible, no?

Baylor · 16th February 2009, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heiwa
WTC1:s structure was very much like a cheese.

Baylor · 16th February 2009, 03:55 AM

Thats better than "clunkity-clunk", "see-saw analogy moot", "political truth is higher than scientific truth" put together.

Dave Rogers · 16th February 2009, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

The likeness of gage is incredible, no?

I like the way he can't figure out which way the paper goes into the shredder. Looks like Gage to me.

Dave

T.A.M. · 16th February 2009, 05:09 AM

Mark:

I have a feeling your letter will fall on "Paranoia filled" ears.

TAM

Gravy · 16th February 2009, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

I like the way he can't figure out which way the paper goes into the shredder. Looks like Gage to me.

Dave

Anyone with half a brain knows it's impossible to shred paper. That's why it's necessary to set buildings on fire for seven hours and then blow them up.

Athyrio · 16th February 2009, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by ref

I didn't know how much I had missed for almost completely ignoring all Heiwa posts. I almost dropped out of my chair reading those.

Ditto here. I began to read one or two of his posts in the beginning but decided quickly to give it up. I could only read a few of Gravy's links in the OP before I got dizzy. And I never knew who Heiwa was until today.

Gravy · 16th February 2009, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by 240-185

Nice letter, Gravy, I'll bookmark this!
What is scaring is that French twoofers begin to rely on Heiwa.

That's to be expected. The truthers wouldn't be promoting Heiwa's lunacy if they had someone better. And as wrongheaded as he is, he's at least put what remains of his reputation on the line by posting his calculations, which is more than we can say for Gage or almost every other truther.

WildCat · 16th February 2009, 06:40 AM

You missed his claim that if the top portion of the WTC was dropped on the bottom portion from a height of 2 miles it would just bounce off.

Bell · 16th February 2009, 07:45 AM

... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons.

Unsecured Coins · 16th February 2009, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons.

not lemons...

bje · 16th February 2009, 09:01 AM

A Gold Star for that, Mark.

http://krunktar.com/images/gold_star.jpg

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Responding to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By:Myriad

Next up: Gage uses Chinese Take-Out Food boxes to model Beijing hotel fire.

Bell · 16th February 2009, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

not lemons...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...47#post4426647

GlennB · 16th February 2009, 09:18 AM

Great work and a brilliant resource.
I'm half tempted to sign up at A+E just to point them at the work of their new hero.

Lennart Hyland · 16th February 2009, 09:33 AM

Wow great job Gravy!

This made my day! :P

Panoply_Prefect · 16th February 2009, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...47#post4426647

I think Gravy followed the old proverb

"If life hands you lemons, make lemonade" (at least its a proverb in Sweden...)

EDIT: Darn. Someone had already made that connection in that other thread. Sigh.

Gravy · 16th February 2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

You missed his claim that if the top portion of the WTC was dropped on the bottom portion from a height of 2 miles it would just bounce off.

Oh, I'll have to find that one!

Originally Posted by Bell

... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons.

Thanks, I've added links to my site. Like some others, I've had Heiwa on ignore since his early days here. I missed a lot!

T.A.M. · 16th February 2009, 01:16 PM

This is a man who feels dropping an egg on an egg will NOT result in either being destroyed.

I guess if your only definition of "destroyed" is total molecular breakdown, then ya he has a point. Otherwise...oh my.

TAM

Panoply_Prefect · 16th February 2009, 01:25 PM

Was the bathroom scale comparison included?

Good Lt · 16th February 2009, 02:10 PM

Heh.

Architect · 16th February 2009, 02:20 PM

Sorry, Mark, but I have to disagree. The man is an incompetent idiot who's grasp (or lack thereof) of structural or fire engineering issues has made him a laughing stock. It reflects badly on the professional as a hole, and his continuing attempts to press home is professional status just compounds the issue.

Of course if he feels aggrieved at my views, he's free to make a complaint to the RIBA and we'll deal with it as part of the official disciplinary channels. I'll not hold my breath, however, as any of the professional bodies in the UK would rip him to shreds. Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA.

bje · 16th February 2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Architect

Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA.

It's hard for one to type a complaint while rolling on the floor laughing.

WildCat · 16th February 2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Oh, I'll have to find that one!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...66#post3825166

Gravy · 16th February 2009, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Architect

Sorry, Mark, but I have to disagree. The man is an incompetent idiot who's grasp (or lack thereof) of structural or fire engineering issues has made him a laughing stock. It reflects badly on the professional as a hole, and his continuing attempts to press home is professional status just compounds the issue.

Of course if he feels aggrieved at my views, he's free to make a complaint to the RIBA and we'll deal with it as part of the official disciplinary channels. I'll not hold my breath, however, as any of the professional bodies in the UK would rip him to shreds. Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA.

Maybe I've been out of the game too long, but I honestly can't tell if this post is a joke, if you may have been quaffing some Islay ("professional as a hole"?), or if you somehow think I wasn't being sarcastic with Gage.

Originally Posted by WildCat

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...66#post3825166

Sweet. Thanks!

A W Smith · 16th February 2009, 06:09 PM

Do you see what you have been missing Mark?

The truth movement abandoned by almost normal delusional people
Only the crazies remain
?????????
PROFIT!!!

Walter Ego · 16th February 2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

you continue to claim that your organization has a full-time staff of a dozen people.

12 full-time staff people my ass.

(Can we say "ass" here?)

I think he might mean 12 people with no jobs who spend all day on the internet.

stateofgrace · 16th February 2009, 07:23 PM

One rather bizarre exchange resulted in him being asked why would people choose to jump, rather than face the inferno that was inside WTC 1. He claimed the fires were not intense, just hot enough "to barbeque a chicken", I believe his words were.

The answer.

Originally Posted by Heiwa

The people trapped in the WCT1 must have been horrified when WTC2 collapsed. I assume they concluded their tower would also collapse ... and some desperate persons decided to jump before that, etc. Terrible.

All here

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...t=87437&page=4

Right through from no planes at the WTCs, no plane at the Pentagon, CDs, fake evidence ,you name it, every single one.

What a treasure he must be to this group.

bonavada · 16th February 2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Heiwa

The people trapped in the WCT1 must have been horrified when WTC2 collapsed. I assume they concluded their tower would also collapse ... and some desperate persons decided to jump before that, etc. Terrible.

Completely discounting the people who jumped before any collapse at all of course. Sick.

BV

T.A.M. · 16th February 2009, 08:24 PM

exactly. The searing heat, and intolerable smoke had nothing to do with it. It was purely to avoid dying in a possible collapse.

What a *********** idiotic statement.

TAM

JamesB · 16th February 2009, 09:24 PM

So, you hear back from Gage yet?

ref · 16th February 2009, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Panoply_Prefect

Was the bathroom scale comparison included?

Oh my.. I can't believe what I read.

apathoid · 17th February 2009, 01:31 AM

Thanks for the laugh Gravy, and nice to see you posting here again.

on edit: after reading through all the links, I've come the the conclusion Heiwa cannot be for real. Maybe he's waiting for the right "gotcha" moment?

Dave Rogers · 17th February 2009, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Architect

It reflects badly on the professional as a hole,

If by "the professional" you mean Heiwa, then I think you're missing a hyphen.

Dave

Architect · 17th February 2009, 01:44 AM

Naw, just crap typing skills.

But, seriously, if there's one thing that really gets on my wick it's incompetence in the profession. This man is a fool, and disgraces us all.

chillzero · 17th February 2009, 01:54 AM

A polite reminder to everyone. Please do not make this a flame thread. If you wish to discuss the content of posts etc made by an individual, that's fine. Do not get personal and start making personal attacks on a member.

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MIKILLINI · 17th February 2009, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by ref

Oh my.. I can't believe what I read.

Believe it! The man sets the standard of ridiculous and beyond.

16th February 2009, 03:29 AM	#1
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	A letter of thanks to Richard Gage I had wanted to post this to the existing thread, but it was closed due to off-topic posts. from: Mark Roberts to: Richard Gage date: Mon, Feb 16, 2009 subject: Thanks! Dear Richard, I note with interest your promotion of Anders Bjorkman as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth's "Petitioner of the Month" for February. I wholeheartedly agree that he's a fitting addition to your pantheon of "professional" petitioners. Take care that he doesn't steal your limelight though: his "3.5 m tower (95 boxes) with an 0.5 m pizza impactor" has had an ecstatic reception from bedazzled four-year-olds at ChuckE.Cheese's restaurants nationwide. From my website: We've seen the staggeringly ignorant and outright bizarre nonsense spewed by Gage and the "experts" whose opinions he promotes. Is Björkman's promotion by AE911Truth another fallacious appeal to authority, or has he done some sensible analysis of the events of 9/11? Bjorkman posts as "Heiwa" on the JREF forum: Björkman claims that no planes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon. He claims that all evidence of the impacts is fake and all witness accounts invalid. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Björkman claims that airliners would have "bounced off" the Twin Towers. Björkman claims that all photo and video evidence showing severe fires and structural failure in the WTC buildings is fake. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Björkman claims that WTC 7 was demolished by a vacuum. Björkman believes that the authors of the NIST WTC reports don't exist. Björkman believes that steel structures are indestructible, even by nuclear weapons. And again. And again. However, Björkman also believes that 16,500-22,000 lbs of high explosives may have been used to demolish each Twin Tower...with no detectable detonations. Björkman believes his house would survive an asteroid impact. Björkman again attempts to revise the laws of physics. Björkman says the Twin Tower fires were "minor office fires." Björkman makes the egregiously false claim that the FDNY said it could handle the fires in the Towers. Björkman believes that a column becomes stronger when its supports are removed. Björkman proposes experiments to prove that the structures of the Twin Towers were comparable to cheese, pizza boxes, match boxes, rubber balls, and sponges. Björkman has been nominated for the JREF forum "Stundie," an award for the looniest conspiracist statement of the month, far more times than anyone, and has been voted the "winner" several times. I note also that in addition to still not correcting your online slide presentation's avalanche of major errors about the events of 9/11, you continue to claim that your organization has a full-time staff of a dozen people. You'll recall that this was the first thing I corrected you about during our Hardfire shows. I'm very curious to know how you justify to yourself this blatant lie when appealing for money. Sincerely, Mark Roberts
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16th February 2009, 03:45 AM	#2
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	I didn't know how much I had missed for almost completely ignoring all Heiwa posts. I almost dropped out of my chair reading those.
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16th February 2009, 03:48 AM	#4
240-185 Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 510	Nice letter, Gravy, I'll bookmark this! What is scaring is that French twoofers begin to rely on Heiwa. From another part, although Tweeter is right concerning Gage's reaction when reading the letter, he'll exist only as ignored messages. Grow up, kid.
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16th February 2009, 03:51 AM	#5
Tweeter Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 790	The likeness of gage is incredible, no?
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16th February 2009, 03:53 AM	#6
Baylor Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,394	Quote: Originally Posted by Heiwa WTC1:s structure was very much like a cheese.
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16th February 2009, 03:55 AM	#7
Baylor Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,394	Thats better than "clunkity-clunk", "see-saw analogy moot", "political truth is higher than scientific truth" put together.
Baylor Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,394

16th February 2009, 04:58 AM	#8
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 33,839	Originally Posted by Tweeter The likeness of gage is incredible, no? I like the way he can't figure out which way the paper goes into the shredder. Looks like Gage to me. Dave
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16th February 2009, 05:09 AM	#9
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	Mark: I have a feeling your letter will fall on "Paranoia filled" ears. TAM

16th February 2009, 05:15 AM	#10
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers I like the way he can't figure out which way the paper goes into the shredder. Looks like Gage to me. Dave Anyone with half a brain knows it's impossible to shred paper. That's why it's necessary to set buildings on fire for seven hours and then blow them up.
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16th February 2009, 05:32 AM	#11
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,498	Originally Posted by ref I didn't know how much I had missed for almost completely ignoring all Heiwa posts. I almost dropped out of my chair reading those. Ditto here. I began to read one or two of his posts in the beginning but decided quickly to give it up. I could only read a few of Gravy's links in the OP before I got dizzy. And I never knew who Heiwa was until today.
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16th February 2009, 05:48 AM	#12
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Originally Posted by 240-185 Nice letter, Gravy, I'll bookmark this! What is scaring is that French twoofers begin to rely on Heiwa. That's to be expected. The truthers wouldn't be promoting Heiwa's lunacy if they had someone better. And as wrongheaded as he is, he's at least put what remains of his reputation on the line by posting his calculations, which is more than we can say for Gage or almost every other truther.
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16th February 2009, 06:40 AM	#13
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 59,856	You missed his claim that if the top portion of the WTC was dropped on the bottom portion from a height of 2 miles it would just bounce off.
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16th February 2009, 07:45 AM	#14
Bell Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 21,050	... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons.

16th February 2009, 08:59 AM	#15
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,905	Originally Posted by Bell ... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons. not lemons...
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16th February 2009, 09:14 AM	#17
Bell Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 21,050	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins not lemons... http://www.internationalskeptics.com...47#post4426647

16th February 2009, 09:18 AM	#18
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 29,671	Great work and a brilliant resource. I'm half tempted to sign up at A+E just to point them at the work of their new hero.

16th February 2009, 09:33 AM	#19
Lennart Hyland Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 756	Wow great job Gravy! This made my day! :P
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16th February 2009, 10:52 AM	#20
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Originally Posted by Bell http://www.internationalskeptics.com...47#post4426647 I think Gravy followed the old proverb "If life hands you lemons, make lemonade" (at least its a proverb in Sweden...) EDIT: Darn. Someone had already made that connection in that other thread. Sigh.
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16th February 2009, 12:08 PM	#21
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Originally Posted by WildCat You missed his claim that if the top portion of the WTC was dropped on the bottom portion from a height of 2 miles it would just bounce off. Oh, I'll have to find that one! Originally Posted by Bell ... and ships colliding, kids jumping on a bed, or a tower of lemons. Yes, lemons. Thanks, I've added links to my site. Like some others, I've had Heiwa on ignore since his early days here. I missed a lot!
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16th February 2009, 01:16 PM	#22
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	This is a man who feels dropping an egg on an egg will NOT result in either being destroyed. I guess if your only definition of "destroyed" is total molecular breakdown, then ya he has a point. Otherwise...oh my. TAM

16th February 2009, 01:25 PM	#23
Panoply_Prefect Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,075	Was the bathroom scale comparison included?

16th February 2009, 02:10 PM	#24
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,498	Heh.
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16th February 2009, 02:20 PM	#25
Architect Chief Punkah Wallah Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 9,806	Sorry, Mark, but I have to disagree. The man is an incompetent idiot who's grasp (or lack thereof) of structural or fire engineering issues has made him a laughing stock. It reflects badly on the professional as a hole, and his continuing attempts to press home is professional status just compounds the issue. Of course if he feels aggrieved at my views, he's free to make a complaint to the RIBA and we'll deal with it as part of the official disciplinary channels. I'll not hold my breath, however, as any of the professional bodies in the UK would rip him to shreds. Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA.
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16th February 2009, 05:02 PM	#26
bje Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,281	Originally Posted by Architect Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA. It's hard for one to type a complaint while rolling on the floor laughing.
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16th February 2009, 05:28 PM	#27
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 59,856	Originally Posted by Gravy Oh, I'll have to find that one! http://www.internationalskeptics.com...66#post3825166
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16th February 2009, 06:00 PM	#28
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,078	Originally Posted by Architect Sorry, Mark, but I have to disagree. The man is an incompetent idiot who's grasp (or lack thereof) of structural or fire engineering issues has made him a laughing stock. It reflects badly on the professional as a hole, and his continuing attempts to press home is professional status just compounds the issue. Of course if he feels aggrieved at my views, he's free to make a complaint to the RIBA and we'll deal with it as part of the official disciplinary channels. I'll not hold my breath, however, as any of the professional bodies in the UK would rip him to shreds. Honestly, I'm surprised no-ones made a complaint to the AIA. Maybe I've been out of the game too long, but I honestly can't tell if this post is a joke, if you may have been quaffing some Islay ("professional as a hole"?), or if you somehow think I wasn't being sarcastic with Gage. Originally Posted by WildCat http://www.internationalskeptics.com...66#post3825166 Sweet. Thanks!
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16th February 2009, 06:09 PM	#29
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16th February 2009, 06:59 PM	#30
Walter Ego Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dixie Posts: 3,377	Originally Posted by Gravy you continue to claim that your organization has a full-time staff of a dozen people. 12 full-time staff people my ass. (Can we say "ass" here?) I think he might mean 12 people with no jobs who spend all day on the internet.
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16th February 2009, 07:23 PM	#31
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,843	One rather bizarre exchange resulted in him being asked why would people choose to jump, rather than face the inferno that was inside WTC 1. He claimed the fires were not intense, just hot enough "to barbeque a chicken", I believe his words were. The answer. Originally Posted by Heiwa The people trapped in the WCT1 must have been horrified when WTC2 collapsed. I assume they concluded their tower would also collapse ... and some desperate persons decided to jump before that, etc. Terrible. All here http://www.internationalskeptics.com...t=87437&page=4 Right through from no planes at the WTCs, no plane at the Pentagon, CDs, fake evidence ,you name it, every single one. What a treasure he must be to this group.
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,843	Last edited by stateofgrace; 16th February 2009 at 08:11 PM. Reason: typo

16th February 2009, 08:17 PM	#32
bonavada Guest Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,073	Originally Posted by Heiwa The people trapped in the WCT1 must have been horrified when WTC2 collapsed. I assume they concluded their tower would also collapse ... and some desperate persons decided to jump before that, etc. Terrible. Completely discounting the people who jumped before any collapse at all of course. Sick. BV
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16th February 2009, 08:24 PM	#33
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	exactly. The searing heat, and intolerable smoke had nothing to do with it. It was purely to avoid dying in a possible collapse. What a *********** idiotic statement. TAM

16th February 2009, 09:24 PM	#34
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,152	So, you hear back from Gage yet?
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16th February 2009, 11:29 PM	#35
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	Originally Posted by Panoply_Prefect Was the bathroom scale comparison included? Oh my.. I can't believe what I read.
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,685	__________________ 9/11 Guide homepage Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit. - Chief Daniel Nigro

17th February 2009, 01:31 AM	#36
apathoid Guest Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,918	Thanks for the laugh Gravy, and nice to see you posting here again. on edit: after reading through all the links, I've come the the conclusion Heiwa cannot be for real. Maybe he's waiting for the right "gotcha" moment?
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17th February 2009, 01:33 AM	#37
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 33,839	Originally Posted by Architect It reflects badly on the professional as a hole, If by "the professional" you mean Heiwa, then I think you're missing a hyphen. Dave
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