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Old 9th April 2009, 02:13 PM   #1361
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
Any chance of an english translation of the french PDF?

TAM
Of course, his conclusions are the same than Jones's...
So you don't need translation !!!

S1 and S2 are two diferent samples...

First he study microspheres (slides 6-8)
then dust without microsphere (9)

and finally chips...

Slide 14-15 is for the red layer (different points)...
Slide 16-17-18 for the gray layer (different points)...

and the conclusions....
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:14 PM   #1362
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
Can google or any other translator, translate a PDF file??

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I'll give it a try then, automated translators usually suck.
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:15 PM   #1363
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Originally Posted by moorea34 View Post
Of course, his conclusions are the same than Jones's...
So you don't need translation !!!

S1 and S2 are two diferent samples...

First he study microspheres (slides 6-8)
then dust without microsphere (9)

and finally chips...

Slide 14-15 is for the red layer (different points)...
Slide 16-17-18 for the gray layer (different points)...

and the conclusions....
And T.A.M. certainly wouldn't have gotten much out of me.

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Old 9th April 2009, 02:16 PM   #1364
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Pardalis, how about this,

Quote:
- Présence de microsphères confirmée
●- Microstructures de surface : S1 couche floconneuse, S2 surface propre
et nue: écailles et ondulations
●- S1 & S2 : Microsphères essentiellement en Fer et Fer oxydé, signature
Fer-Alu nette dans certaines, peu significative dans la majorité (l'Alu est
expulsé par une réaction de thermite).
●- S2 : Séries de raies Fe, Ni, Zn, Mg, Al énigmatiques. Ni est un élément
très rare dans la poussière (USGS)
●- S1 : Une microsphère de Fer pur i.e. non oxydé. Pic du Fer à basse
énergie absent ! : écrantage par une couche superficielle gazeuse
(éléments légers non détectés par le spectro) prise dans les flocons et
absorbant les X de basse énergie (?)

-----

●Présence de chips rouge et constituents des couches à peu près
confirmés : accord avec résultats détaillés de S Jones et collaborateurs

● - Couche rouge : Fe, O, Al, Si, C
●Oxyde de Fer domine largement sur le Fer: couleur rouge vif plutôt que
rouille! Couche isolante (brillante au spectro) ==> mélange homogène de
l'oxyde de Fer avec les éléments non conducteurs Al, Si. Faible variabilité
(aspect, couleur, spectre ) ==> mélange homogène à une échelle
inférieure au micron.
● - Couche grise conductrice : Fe, O parfois traces de Mn et Cr .
●Compatible avec de l'acier structurel. Couleur sombre: Fer peu oxydé.

●Frontière très nette entre les couches ==> pas par hasard !

------

●Interprétation de S Jones et collaborateurs confirmée.

●Observation compatibles avec l'hypothèse de nanothermite, matrice de Si
et particules d' Oxyde de Fer (rouge) et Al, ayant été appliquée sur l'acier
des colonnes. Carbone : probable résidu organique des solvants du solgel
(isopropanol, epoxyde organique).

●La méthode sol-gels n'est pas seulement idéale pour gagner en énergie
mais aussi pour un dosage/contrôle précis de la puissance de la réaction.
L'utilisation sous forme de spray est connue ==> la couche nanothermitique
a sans doute permis de chauffer efficacement les colonnes
d'acier. La réaction a produit le Fer liquide. Les explosions l'ont dispersé
en microsphères observées.
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:18 PM   #1365
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Originally Posted by Sunstealer View Post
And T.A.M. certainly wouldn't have gotten much out of me.

Je voudrais une kilo de pomme sil vous plait!
baked or in pie?

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Old 9th April 2009, 02:18 PM   #1366
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Well, I'm hoping that detailed pictures will show more than just layers. E.g., what about the eveness of layers? Come to think of it, please make paint chips via both brushing and spray painting. I find it hard to believe that brushed on paint will have even layers, and easy to believe that spray painted surfaces will



Thank-you. I just sent Professor Jones and email requesting the exact paint type, but as he didn't directly reply to my last email (though cc'ing me on others), I'm a little doubtful that I'll get a direct answer. We'll see.
You can also ask him why he failed to put that crucial information in his paper and whilst you're at it slap his wrist for such a basic error, it's unforgivable for someone of a post graduate level.
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:18 PM   #1367
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Originally Posted by Sunstealer View Post
And T.A.M. certainly wouldn't have gotten much out of me.

Je voudrais une kilo de pomme sil vous plait!
Your french is better than my english !
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:19 PM   #1368
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Originally Posted by moorea34 View Post
Of course, his conclusions are the same than Jones's...
So you don't need translation !!!

S1 and S2 are two diferent samples...

First he study microspheres (slides 6-8)
then dust without microsphere (9)

and finally chips...

Slide 14-15 is for the red layer (different points)...
Slide 16-17-18 for the gray layer (different points)...

and the conclusions....
ahhh...

well perhaps don't bother then Pardalis....If he is as ignorant and obtuse as Jones, It will likely just be more biased, poorly conducted science.

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Old 9th April 2009, 02:24 PM   #1369
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Originally Posted by 16.5 View Post
Cool ask him for those independent test results from 2007 too.
Done. I wrote:

Quote:
Many people are asking about independent lab tests you spoke about in 2007. Were they done, and if so, what specific analyses were done and what were the results?
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:24 PM   #1370
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
.....9/11 experts....
That's an oxymoron. Samples a-d from Jones paper are clearly flaked off iron oxide from steel with some red paint attached. We now have SEM photos showing the steel, it's oxide and the paint red layer all in detail. Jones never shows us the underside of his chips - Why not?

Jones et al and the truth movement do not understand that Jones' paper is self debunking! Jones proves that one of the sources of iron-rich micro-spheres is burnt paint.

Lets see if we can get an answer from the great Galileo - master scientist.

Why do we find Silicon in the thermite?

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Tits up thermite!!!

Originally Posted by Sunstealer View Post

Lets see if we can get an answer from the great Galileo - master scientist.

Why do we find Silicon in the thermite?

Breast implants??
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:36 PM   #1372
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
Can google or any other translator, translate a PDF file??

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Here's what I started with.
Quote:
Analyse indépendante de poussière
du WTC à Marseille
Afin de donner plus de poids aux découvertes de Steven Jones et ses
collaborateurs en particulier la présence de nanothermite n'ayant pas réagi dans
la poussière du WTC, il importait que celles-ci soient indépendamment
corroborées par des analyses indépendantes.
Les microphotographies et spectres ici présentés ont permis de retrouver
certaines des caractéristiques importantes qui suggèrent fortement la présence de
thermite nanocomposite. Origine et description des échantillons:
http://www.darksideofgravity.com/11%...01.html#sample
Ce sont les tests cruciaux que je n'avais pas les moyens d'effectuer en particulier
la calorimétrie à l'ignition des chips rouges et l'usage de solvants pour isoler et
identifier les différentes composantes du mélange thermitique qui apportent la
démonstration définitive de sa nature:
http://www.darksideofgravity.com/11%...001.html#publi
Here's what I got, using google.
Quote:
Independent analysis of dust
WTC in Marseille
To give more weight to the findings of Steven Jones and his
employees in particular the presence of unreacted nanothermite in
dust from the WTC, it was important that they are independently
corroborated by independent analysis.
Photomicrographs and spectra presented here reveal
some of the important features that strongly suggest the presence of
nanocomposite thermite. Origin and description of samples:
http://www.darksideofgravity.com/11%% 20 September sample # 202001.html
These are the crucial tests that I could not afford to carry out particular
calorimetry to the ignition of red chips and the use of solvents to isolate and
identify the different components of the mixture thermite which provide
final demonstration of its kind:
http://www.darksideofgravity.com/11%% 20 September publi # 202001.html
Seems ok to me.
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Old 9th April 2009, 02:44 PM   #1373
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Originally Posted by sunstealer
Lets see if we can get an answer from the great Galileo - master scientist.

Why do we find Silicon in the thermite?
Breast implants??
9/11 was a FEMBOT job!

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Old 9th April 2009, 02:45 PM   #1374
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
Pardalis, how about this,TAM
Here goes for nothing:

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-Presence of microspheres confirmed
- Surface microstructures: S1 “flaky” layer, S2 clean surface: scales and waves
- S1 and S2: Microspheres essentially made of Iron and oxydised Iron, clear “Iron- Aluminum” signature in some, less so in most (Aluminum is expelled through reation with thrermite)
- S2 : series of “enigmatic “strata of Fe, Ni, Zn, Mg, Al. Ni is very rare in dust (USGS) (don’t know what USGS means)
- S1 : A microsphere of pure Iron i.e. non oxydized. No peak of Iron at low energy is observed. “écrantage” (no idea how to translate “écrantage”, “écran” means “screen”, so I guess “screening”?) by superficial layer of gas (light elements not detected by spectrometer) taken in flake samples which absorbed the Xs at low energy (?)

- Presence of red chips and “constituents” (?) of layers for most confirmed: confirms Jones’ data.
- Red layer: Fe, O, Al, Si, C
- Iron Oxyde dominates on the Fe: bright red color rather than rusty color. Layer consistant (bright at the “Spectro”) ==> homogenous mix of Iron Oxyde with non conductive elements Al, Si. Low variability (general aspect, color, spectrum)==> homogenous mix lower than one micron.
- Grey conductive layer : Fe, O sometimes traces of Mn and Cr .
- Compatible with structural steel. Dark color: Fe a little oxydized.
- Clear edge between the strata==> not by chance!

- Interpretations of Jones and collaborators confirmed.
- Observations compatible with nanothermite hypothesis, matrix of Si, and Iron Oxyde particles (red) and Al, were applied to steel columns. Carbon: probably organic residue of “sol-gel” solvants (don’t know what “sol-gel” is in English, literally it would be “ground-frost”?)(isopropanol, organic epoxyde).
- The “sol-gel” method isn’t uniquely ideal to gain energy but also to control the force of reaction.
- the use of spray on is well known ==> The nanothermite layer probably was used to heat the steel columns. The reaction produced liguid Iron. The explosions scattered them in microspheres.
In bold what I couldn't translate

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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
Pardalis, how about this,



TAM
Here ya go.
Quote:
Quote:
- Presence of microspheres confirmed
● - Microstructures of surface layer flaky S1, S2 clean surface
and naked and scaly ripples
● - S1 & S2: microspheres mainly iron and oxidized iron, signature
Alu-iron net in some marginally significant in the majority (aluminum is
expelled by a thermite reaction).
● - S2: Series rays Fe, Ni, Zn, Mg, Al enigmatic. Neither is a
very rare in the dust (USGS)
● - S1: A True Iron microsphère ie non-oxidized. Pic du Fer low
energy away! : Shielding by a gas layer
(light elements not detected by the spectrometer) taken in the flakes and
absorbing low-energy X (?)

-----

● Presence of chips and red layers are almost
confirmed agreement with detailed results of Jones S et al

● - Layer red: Fe, O, Al, Si, C
● Iron Oxide dominant on Iron: bright red rather than
rust! Insulating layer (the shiny spectro) ==> a homogeneous mixture of
Iron oxide with non-conductive elements Al, Si Low variability
(appearance, color, spectrum) ==> mixing at a scale
below the micron.
● - gray conductive layer: Fe, O sometimes traces of Mn and Cr.
● Compatible with structural steel. Dark Iron little oxidized.

● clear boundary between layers ==> no coincidence!

------

● Interpretation of S Jones and collaborators confirmed.

● Observation compatible with the hypothesis nanothermite matrix Si
and particles of iron oxide (red) and Al, was applied on steel
columns. Carbon probable residue of organic solvents SolGel
(isopropanol, organic epoxide).

● The sol-gel method is not only ideal to save energy
but also for a mix / control over the power of the reaction.
Use as a spray is known ==> layer nanothermitique
has undoubtedly helped to effectively heat the columns
steel. The reaction produced a liquid iron. The explosion scattered
observed in microspheres.
See Pard beat me.
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Here ya go.

See Pard beat me.
Maybe these guys can put both translations together and make some sense out of all this.

I see Google couldn't translate "sol-gel" either, sucker!
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A clear area between strata is consistant with paint. I know that when I use certain types of paints on my model armor, especially if I am using flat latex, the collors look a little different when wety or dry as pigments migrate to thje surface and particulates settle out of the liquid vehicle.
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I'm still at a loss to explain why NIST didn't check for thermitic material in the debris during the course of their investigation. Surely they had the means to arrive at the same conclusions arrived at by Jones et al. Perhaps they didn't want to confirm their underlying suspicions? Afterall, weren't some NIST scientists actually involved in the nano-technology research back in the nineties for the industrial military complex? Talk about turning a blind eye.
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which means that anyone stripping paint with a blow torch whether it be at home or cleaning the Brooklyn Bridge or whatever, if they are stripping red paint they will be producing iron rich microspheres.
Incidently, am I mixing things up, or wasn't the lady that found the dust in her apartment, sharing her apartment/studio with an artist that worked primarily with metal art?

I could have sworn I read that about the first time these micro spheres was brought up.
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If there was a conspiracy to doctor the tape, someone would have talked by now.
They don't need to. One man could do it himself, and he did it so poorly that any one with the sense God gave earthworms can see it is faked.
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I'm still at a loss to explain why NIST didn't check for thermitic material in the debris during the course of their investigation. Surely they had the means to arrive at the same conclusions arrived at by Jones et al. Perhaps they didn't want to confirm their underlying suspicions? Afterall, weren't some NIST scientists actually involved in the nano-technology research back in the nineties for the industrial military complex? Talk about turning a blind eye.
That there was no evidence whatsoever to compel such analyses and detract from actual, useful investigation is one idea off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by KreeL View Post
I'm still at a loss to explain why NIST didn't check for thermitic material in the debris during the course of their investigation. Surely they had the means to arrive at the same conclusions arrived at by Jones et al. Perhaps they didn't want to confirm their underlying suspicions? Afterall, weren't some NIST scientists actually involved in the nano-technology research back in the nineties for the industrial military complex? Talk about turning a blind eye.
Probably for the same reason they didn't check for the giant, fire-breathing lizard material either.
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Their habitual dishonesty and delusions of grandeur are consistant, i'll give em that.

Outside of the 9/11 cult sites and 9/11 related forums, no mention of this crap, no headlines, nothing, not a peep.

Yet they claim "it's gone viral", "it's everywhere", "the scientific community agrees", "NIST is debunked", "case closed!!!", "debunkers lose". (like nobody can see through such nonsense)

Considering their little cult has no credibility due too the last 100 times they played this shady game, what makes this one is so special? Why did they think everyone would be completely fooled this time?
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Afterall, weren't some NIST scientists actually involved in the nano-technology research back in the nineties for the industrial military complex? Talk about turning a blind eye.
Well, it looks like you answered your own question, big guy! They knew that suggesting the buildings were destroyed by painted on layers of "nano-thermite" was not only completelty stupid it was impossible.

You sure you are a Truther? because you put the De in Debunk with that one, superstar!
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Their habitual dishonesty and delusions of grandeur are consistant, i'll give em that.

Outside of the 9/11 cult sites and 9/11 related forums, no mention of this crap, no headlines, nothing, not a peep.

Yet they claim "it's gone viral", "it's everywhere", "the scientific community agrees", "NIST is debunked", "case closed!!!", "debunkers lose". (like nobody can see through such nonsense)

Considering their little cult has no credibility due too the last 100 times they played this shady game, what makes this one is so special? Why did they think everyone would be completely fooled this time?
An exponential increase in desperation within most faith-based value systems is to be expected as more and more of their beliefs are exposed.
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I'm still at a loss to explain why NIST didn't check for thermitic material in the debris during the course of their investigation. Surely they had the means to arrive at the same conclusions arrived at by Jones et al. Perhaps they didn't want to confirm their underlying suspicions? Afterall, weren't some NIST scientists actually involved in the nano-technology research back in the nineties for the industrial military complex? Talk about turning a blind eye.
Wow.

You just totally pulled that right out of you ass, and then convinced yourself it was true within moments...

This explains alot about your cult...
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Originally Posted by The Platypus View Post
Outside of the 9/11 cult sites and 9/11 related forums, no mention of this crap, no headlines, nothing, not a peep.
Just watched live at five with Jack Cafferty and Sue Simmons. Not a peep. Not even a WTF from Sue.
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I'm still at a loss to explain why NIST didn't check for thermitic material in the debris during the course of their investigation. Surely they had the means to arrive at the same conclusions arrived at by Jones et al. Perhaps they didn't want to confirm their underlying suspicions? Afterall, weren't some NIST scientists actually involved in the nano-technology research back in the nineties for the industrial military complex? Talk about turning a blind eye.
What you are effectively asking for is equivalent to asking "why didn't the test for pixie dust?"

You see the mind of a scientist doesn't work like the mind of a truther. Why on earth would anyone be looking for thermite when every piece of evidence they have points to 2 aircraft laden with fuel, crashing horrifically into two towers, damaging them and setting them ablaze across 5 or 6 whole floors, thus reducing the steel's yield point by over 50% causing the steel to be unable to hold take load. Collapse occurs and because of the design of the WTC towers that collapse is not arrested but continues.

The other problem that you have is you ignore evidence and by that I mean specific evidence in the Jones paper that shows directly that his samples a-d are not thermite. Why do you ignore crucial evidence?

Hint: Take of the truther goggles, stop thinking about nano this or nano that, forget about thermite/mate or whatever, put on the thinking cap, go back over my posts and then ask me some questions if I've not explained myself.

Jones has tried to show evidence of thermite in his paper and spectacularly failed (but managed to show that burnt red paint is a source of "iron-rich micro-spheres") especially when we consider other chips he's sent other people.

Jones claims evidence of elemental Aluminium (I hate that phrase - it really should be something like commercially pure Al) but he does not show this. His samples a-d do not show it even though they are good enough to determine sub-micron Fe2O3 and it's crystal structure. He claims it's in the aluminosilicate platelets but fails to show this because rather than use one of these 4 specimens he uses a different one and doesn't produce the same detailed SEM photos before and after the MEK soaking in order to show that is where the purer Al is from.

Stop with the NIST didn't do this, NIST didn't do that, blah, blah, blah nonsense and concentrate on Jones and his findings. NIST didn't test for thermite, Jones tried but didn't find any. What he has is clearly spalled iron oxide from the surface of steel and adhering red paint.

Do you even bother to read anything longer than 20 words? Are you part of the Youtube generation who can't digest anything unless it's spelt out in text speak for you? (sorry young peeps, I'm showing my age and shouldn't label with such a broad brush).

Take off the thermite shades and open your eyes to the unglamorous, albeit dull world of reality and look at the posts I've made here. No it's not exotic and exciting, but then the real answers usually aren't either.
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I'm still at a loss to explain why NIST didn't check for thermitic material in the debris during the course of their investigation.
For the same reason they did would not test for unicorn dung in a cow pasture when Elsie and Elmer develop BSE. There was nevera reason in the mind of a rationl person to expect it to have existed.

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Surely they had the means to arrive at the same conclusions arrived at by Jones et al.
No. They were impeded by greater-than-room-temperature IQs and testicles that had fully descended from the inguinal canal.

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Incidently, am I mixing things up, or wasn't the lady that found the dust in her apartment, sharing her apartment/studio with an artist that worked primarily with metal art?

I could have sworn I read that about the first time these micro spheres was brought up.
Interesting. Can anyone confirm or show this to be false?
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Old 9th April 2009, 03:55 PM   #1391
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Interesting. Can anyone confirm or show this to be false?
See "Obtaining the first dust sample" at http://911guide.googlepages.com/jones
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Their habitual dishonesty and delusions of grandeur are consistant, i'll give em that.

Outside of the 9/11 cult sites and 9/11 related forums, no mention of this crap, no headlines, nothing, not a peep.

Yet they claim "it's gone viral", "it's everywhere", "the scientific community agrees", "NIST is debunked", "case closed!!!", "debunkers lose". (like nobody can see through such nonsense)

Considering their little cult has no credibility due too the last 100 times they played this shady game, what makes this one is so special? Why did they think everyone would be completely fooled this time?
Yes they spread it around just like an infant will their own excrement. They don't know what it is, don't know why they do it, put it in their mouths then regurgitate if for other babies to pick up, but do it all the same. The poo only gets smeared over the places where they congregate.

They have no comprehension when an adult comes along and says, phew- what have you been doing? - time to clean you up. Nor do they understand why they need to be cleaned or the parents concerns over children covered in excrement.

I wouldn't be so vitriolic towards the majority of them if they didn't behave worse than a two year old. A couple have actually put forward some good questions and atleast made an effort and I salute them for doing so, unfortunately they have been drowned out by the others who like to wallow and play in their own poo, grinning inanely as they do so. (sorry for the imagery but it seems appropriate!)

I was actually quite shocked that a paper had appeared especially when I saw the first few pages. On the surface it looked like there could be some good science performed, but it was fairly obvious that Jones et al were making basic errors and interpretations even with a cursory reading. I was expecting XRD data that would for once and all clearly show what these samples are, but instead we just get more time on the SEM. Disappointing. Even more so when it's quite easy to provide an everyday, ordinary more than plausible answer based on Jones' paper. Ho-hum.
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I read somewhere else a few days ago that one of the persons that collected substantial amounts of dust was going to use it in some sort of remembrance sculpture or art exhibit. ill have to go look for the source to cite and edit this post later.


this is not the same artist I read about. but.......more dust

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3577285.stm
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See "Obtaining the first dust sample" at http://911guide.googlepages.com/jones
Thank you, I tried searching SLC since I'm fairly sure that's where I saw it first, but to no avail.
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Same mass as all the steel? What are you smoking?
I think that value is in the ballpark. How much do you think would be needed then?

Here's some help if you really care about the truth:

Dr. Greenings calc max boundary for 100 micron thickness:

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/ac...-15.html#p2605

A more realistic value:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=951

Regarding a practical application:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1067

We're talking about a 1 in thick coating for 1 in thick steel. The materials are roughly the same weight. Even if it was 1/10th of what I am saying (i.e. 10,000 tons), it would be a ridiculous plan because there are much better alternatives where the perpetrators could avoid that telltale bright white light emanating from the entire building on all sides.
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I read somewhere else a few days ago that one of the persons that collected substantial amounts of dust was going to use it in some sort of remembrance sculpture or art exhibit. ill have to go look for the source to cite and edit this post later.


this is not the same artist I read about. but.......more dust

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3577285.stm
You could heck out if he did any nano-art at the same time.
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Interesting. Can anyone confirm or show this to be false?
It does appear to be true, according to the paper, on the morning of Sept 11th the apartment where Mrs Janette MacKinlay lived was evacuated because it was full of dust. It was left empty for a week. When the lady returned, she collected up some of the dust for "possible use in art work". She kept it in "sealed” bags until 2006, when she contacted Jones and gave him a sample.

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That there was no evidence whatsoever to compel such analyses and detract from actual, useful investigation is one idea off the top of my head.
No evidence? Would NIST scientists that knew of this delivery system of nano-thermite be so utterly clueless?
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For the same reason they did would not test for unicorn dung in a cow pasture when Elsie and Elmer develop BSE. There was nevera reason in the mind of a rationl person to expect it to have existed.



No. They were impeded by greater-than-room-temperature IQs and testicles that had fully descended from the inguinal canal.


Things NIST didn't test for:

Lava-with all the pyroclastic flow it should have been a no-brainer

Fall out from the nukes.

Beam weapons effects.

Nanotermites with steel melting formic acid.

Pigeon crap-millions of the feathered rats could be fed special feed that turned into an explosive.
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I'm still at a loss to explain why NIST didn't check for thermitic material in the debris during the course of their investigation. Surely they had the means to arrive at the same conclusions arrived at by Jones et al. Perhaps they didn't want to confirm their underlying suspicions? Afterall, weren't some NIST scientists actually involved in the nano-technology research back in the nineties for the industrial military complex? Talk about turning a blind eye.
lol

your an unusually "drinking the koolaid" one aren't you?

NIST did not look for thermite for the same reason they did not look for pixie dust.

(A) there was no evidence to support the notion that explosives were used.
(B) even if there was evidence to support explosives, THERMITE IS NOT USED IN DEMOLITIONS, NOR IS IT AN EXPLOSIVE.

talk about turning an paranoid nose.

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