Sylvia Browne married again, talks family, her bankruptcy and economic "predictions"

Sylvia Browne married again, talks family, her bankruptcy and economic "predictions"

This is an interesting new article:

Psychic Sylvia Browne sees better days ahead
Updated: 03/26/09 08:29 AM
By Anne Neville, NEWS STAFF REPORTER
Buffalonews.com


Sylvia Browne’s voice is already hoarse, and her “Farewell Tour” is just kicking off with her appearance before a packed house Friday in the Seneca Niagara Events Center at the Seneca Niagara Casino and Hotel.

“Don’t worry about it, honey, I’ve been like this before,” says the 72-year-old psychic medium, author and lecturer whose message of psychic healing, eternal life and a loving deity has made her enormously popular.
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Browne answers questions during the occasional “salons” she offers for small groups, at $1,000 per person. But at her lectures, she plans to address wider issues and spiritual concerns, she said. “I’ll talk about a potpourri, including the economy, which is so prominent in everyone’s mind.” She sees the silver lining of the economic challenges, she said. “We were flying so high, and this has people stopping and taking stock of what should really matter — our loved ones, our friendships.”

Hard times, she says, “give us time to flex our spiritual muscles.” And for those whose muscles are showing the strain, she has a prediction: “I’m convinced by June we are going to see relief and at the end of the year we’re going to see a great amount of recovery.”

Along with her success, Browne has suffered some heartbreak — her personal life includes financial trouble and four ex-husbands. “Twenty-five years ago I did go bankrupt because of my husband stealing all my money,” she says.

But today she’s a newlywed, married Feb. 14 to the man she calls “Michael, my archangel.” As she tells the story of their first meeting, it’s clear that the woman who says she senses the pulse of the spiritual world can be surprised, too.

Browne says she reluctantly accompanied her son on a trip to a jewelry store to buy an engagement ring for his girlfriend. “I looked like hell,” she said — not only was she dressed in an old running suit with her hair pulled back carelessly, she had impaired vision in one eye.

In the jewelry store, she says, “I looked out of my good eye and saw this man standing there, so attractive, and I said to the owner, ‘Who is that?’ and he said, ‘That’s my father!’ Well, then my antennae went up, and I realized he wasn’t attached. So I said, ‘Why don’t you introduce me?’ ”

A year and a half later, the two were married, although, she said, “I swore I’d never do it again. I said in my vows that I think God has a sense of humor, because at 72 I’ve found the love of my life. It’s kind of ironic, don’t you think?”
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Browne says she inherited her gift from her grandmother and other ancestors, and has passed them down to her son Chris Dufresne and his young daughter. Dufresne now does professional psychic readings himself, and has co-authored, with his mother “Animals on the Other Side,” as well as his autobiography, “My Life With Sylvia Browne: A Son Reflects on Life With His Psychic Mother.”

“I have an older son, but he didn’t get it,” said Browne. “It’s kind of hit and miss. That’s why I do believe not only that it’s from God, but that it’s genetic.”
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Along with her success, Browne has suffered some heartbreak — her personal life includes financial trouble and four ex-husbands. “Twenty-five years ago I did go bankrupt because of my husband stealing all my money,” she says.

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She has no right to complain. She should have looked into his future and known he was going to do that.

desertgal said:

She has no right to complain. She should have looked into his future and known he was going to do that.

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Thats about how I have always viewed psychics.

I'm ready to "believe" and will jump in with both feet as soon as a "real" psychic calls me up out of the blue and tells me whats on my mind or tells me specifically about an event I need to do/avoid.

If they do and are correct, then I would be compelled to pay that person and become a client.

desertgal said:

She has no right to complain. She should have looked into his future and known he was going to do that.

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isnt her belieft that she scripted her future lifew on the other side, anyway?

I thought she had always said she couldn't see the future in regards to herself - as a way to explain why she couldn't pick the winning lottery numbers. Although I could be thinking of another "psychic".

Lisa Simpson said:

I thought she had always said she couldn't see the future in regards to herself - as a way to explain why she couldn't pick the winning lottery numbers. Although I could be thinking of another "psychic".

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True, but by that standard, that doesn't mean she couldn't have foretold HIS future. I think? And if she scripted her own life, then she really should have seen it coming-or left that part out of her script.

For that matter, you'd think "Francine" would have given Sylvia a heads up.

LONGTABBER PE said:

Thats about how I have always viewed psychics.

I'm ready to "believe" and will jump in with both feet as soon as a "real" psychic calls me up out of the blue and tells me whats on my mind or tells me specifically about an event I need to do/avoid.

If they do and are correct, then I would be compelled to pay that person and become a client.

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Exactly. My grandmother used to say that a psychic is nothing more than a person with an eye for detail and a vivid imagination standing on quicksand. I've yet to see anyone prove her wrong.

SB and newlywed....two things that should NEVER, EVER go together.

Locknar said:

SB and newlywed....two things that should NEVER, EVER go together.

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My exact thought. Just reading the thread title created an image that has scarred me forever.

desertgal said:

Exactly. My grandmother used to say that a psychic is nothing more than a person with an eye for detail and a vivid imagination standing on quicksand. I've yet to see anyone prove her wrong.

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I don't know whether there are any specific instances of this, but my own mental image of Sylly is of her asking someone a question about a dead relative -- and then repeating back the answer, slightly rephrased, and prefaced with "Yeah, 'cause I was about to say". I've made these up, but in my mind this is how a session with Sylly goes:

"Was your mom a smoker?"
"Yes. She hated it, she tried to quit at least half a dozen times."
"Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, she wants you to know that she's free of that."

(OR: "Was your mom a smoker?"
("No, she never smoked, she couldn't stand the smell of smoke."
("Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, I'm getting a feeling of her avoiding certain places because of the cigarette smoke.")

"How did your father die? Was he ... " (carefully trail off to let the person answer)
"He had a heart attack."
"Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, I'm getting a really strong sensation around the chest area."

As simple as that: let the mark give the answer and then pretend you already knew it.

"Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, I'm getting something about cold reading having a lot to do with this."

Van Praagh is great for that.

"Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, I don't know from [Rule10] about your mom/dad/brother/spouse/Yorkshire Terrier."

Lisa Simpson said:

I thought she had always said she couldn't see the future in regards to herself - as a way to explain why she couldn't pick the winning lottery numbers. Although I could be thinking of another "psychic".

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Yes, it's Sylvia who says that. Interesting how she refers to the investment scandal with Dal Browne as him "stealing all my money" now.

Sylvia News....

I just joined this forum and the reason is because my mom is a fan (she is skeptical now that I have read to her all the things about Sylvia, but my mom still reads Sylvia's books....). My aunt is also a fan - more like a fanatic - and has started a Novus group in her area.....anyway.....

I was once a believer in Sylvia. Of course this was when I was maybe 15 and my mom liked reading about Sylvia and listening to her on Montel. At one point, things were so bad thatI made an appointment for Sylvia. I made the appointment in 2004 and got a call in 2005 that I was going to get a reading. I paid my money ($750...I think) at the time. Fortunately (or unfortunately) after I paid for the reading, I decided to look up Sylvia online and see what to expect from my reading to get the most out of it. The only thing I could find was stuff about how much of a fraud she is. At that point, I didn't want the reading any more, but my mom was still a fan so I called and got the reading transferred to my mom instead.

The reading got rescheduled three times. Finally, my mom got her reading and she was very happy with it, but due to a lot of stress going on in my mom's life, she could remember very little of what was said. So for me to find out what was said, we waited for the tape in the mail.

Things she got "right" - my mom lives in a small house, that I am going to be a doctor, and that my mom's ex-husband was a jerk.

Of course my mom got all kinds of other stuff (spirit guide, totem, themes, that she is going to meet a guy named David that she will be involved with, etc - nothing which can be proven)

For the "right" things, I told my mom that one can google any address and see homes online. In addition, the reading was for me to begin with and I had stated that the reason I was wanting a reading was because of my stresses with medical school/to keep going or quit - so both things are just kinda blah. As for the ex-husband, well, my mom told Sylvia that she was divorced, so duh, how many people who get a divorce like their spouse? And David, well it is 2009 and she was supposed to meet him in either 2005 or 2006...so yeah.

Sorry for all the erroneous info, I just wanted to give some background before I post what my mom sent me.

Since my mom still gets emails from Sylvia - my mom forwarded me the following a few days back

"I need your help and I expect it to be returned to you a thousand-fold!
In these dire economic times, I am asking for your help to keep my church, the Society of Novus Spiritus alive. It has become overwhelmingly difficult for me to be nearly the sole support of this representation of our belief and philosophy. I am asking for only $1.00 (or more) as seed money and as such, expect it to be returned to you a thousand-fold. God bless you for your help in our time of need.
God love you,
I do,
Sylvia"

I hate the fact that Sylvia already takes advantage of the lonely, divorced, homeless, jobless, heartbroken, in mourning, missing loved ones, etc - but when I got this email I had to post it here. For Sylvia to charge upwards of $800 for readings, $1000 for salons, then for her "shows", her cruises, etc - for her to then directly just ask people for their hard earned money?!?!?!

Sylvia appalls me. My aunt is still a firm believer, she got a reading with Chris and is waiting for one with Sylvia. My aunt is living with her daughter, been unable to find a job, needs major surgery, etc - so basically a typical Sylvia believer....and I try to tell my mom to get through to my aunt because she doesn't have any money and is saving for a useless reading. The people that my aunt has in her group are also very broke but saving up their money for readings with Sylvia.

I guess I should look at is as a step forward for Sylvia to just come out and ask for money rather than empty promises for lots of money.....

Hi Jennifer - It was interesting to read your experience with Sylvia Browne. Welcome to the forum! I was a minister for Novus Spiritus for a brief period. Have you and your mom or aunt seen Robert Lancaster's web site Stop Sylvia.com? (link to the site is at the bottom of my post) What did it for me was discovering all of the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Francine material and having to face the fact that there was no Francine. I'm glad you included the info from the reading. You did a great job of explaining it all. I wish there was a way to get through to your aunt before she wastes her money on a reading with Sylvia. That's one reason I asked if she'd seen Robert's site. Maybe it would help. You can tell her that you heard about it from an ex-minister! There are a few of us here.

Yes, Sylvia Browne's attempt to solicit yet more money from people who have less than she does is definitely apalling. If you have a chance, check out Robert Lancaster's article on her financial situation and you will, unfortunately, be even more apalled.

I have read (I think) every article on Mr. Lancaster's site. That is the site I found when researching Sylvia for my reading. I have showed my mom, but not sure how much she read (I probably read more to her outloud than she read herself). As for my aunt, well, she thinks that all those sites are just from haters. But, being one for research, I did look up Sylvia on Spirit Now, which posts her predictions and such - and all I found was things like "I love Sylvia", "Sylvia is amazing", you get the picture. I think I looked through something like 1,500 posts on the site and found not a single one that had a person saying they had a reading and what was correct, or did you see where she predicted such and such and was right, or she predicted such and such on Montel for me and it came true.

I also told my mom that I thought it was funny that Montel has had so many Sylvia airings, yet never (that I know of) had a "where are they now" type episode with all the people Sylvia gave "answers" to where she was correct - I mean one would think that with all the people she gave names of who they would marry, or where lost items were, or how many kids they would have - there would be at least enough for ONE show.

Now that my mom is doing better in all areas of her life, she is more skeptical, although she did go see Sylvia do one of her lectures (with my aunt of course) and occasionally when I bring up all of the wrong answers Sylvia has given, my mom will say "I think she had something when she was younger, but now she is getting up there in age and failing", and then I bring up the articles from years ago and how Sylvia was always wrong...lol.

I guess what it boils down to for people like my mom is that they want to believe. They have all the evidence to the contrary, but somewhere they still want to believe. I can understand that aspect and if people like Sylvia only offered "hope" without having to take money for that hope, then I would say fine, no harm. But the fact that the very people Sylvia is taking money from is those that don't have money is what really gets at me. Hope I understand, paying for hope, I don't get that.....

ExMinister said:

Yes, Sylvia Browne's attempt to solicit yet more money from people who have less than she does is definitely apalling.

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And typically dishonest, since she isn't the "sole support" of NS.

Every time you think SB can't sink any lower, she never fails to submerge herself even deeper into the gutter.

Good luck to you, Jennifer, and I'm glad your mom is doing better, even if not completely skeptical.

FWIW, I don't think it's just hope that people seek from psychics, but also comfort. Life is such an uncertain thing-I think people also draw comfort from believing they have a leg up on the future. Even if the prediction is negative, they're "prepared".

Yes, that is what I was going for, with saying hope. Having a Master's in Psychology, I do understand the need for wanting to know how, why, what happens next; the need for feeling part of something; the need to feel secure and comfort.

I used to think that it was okay to have beliefs in people like Sylvia because everyone has beliefs and views no matter the topic. However, as I grew up, I realized that the people that tend to most believe in psychics and such are the ones who are in most in need of money, or at a very low place in their lives and want to turn to someone or something. When I hear that people that are 20 years old, just married, just had a baby, just bought a house, and are living paycheck to paycheck, but saving up every last penny for a reading with Sylvia - then I see why the problem is so huge. (btw - the people I am talking about are the people that joined my aunt with her group).

As long as there are people down on their luck, there will be people out there that take advantage of that.

I can understand people wanting to believe and finding comfort and hope in it. My mom knows better now than to believe in Sylvia Browne at least, but she still believes in John Edward and Rosemary Altea and I know she finds comfort in what they say about the afterlife. But what really gets me is the idea of someone deliberately faking psychic ability and the ability to communicate with the other side in order to get rich. It's the apparent intent to deceive that upsets me so much. At least with Edward and Altea, I don't know them and can imagine that they may be sincere and self-deluded. Not that harm can't be done by the sincere, but it's just not quite as maddening. To me anyway.

Well stated. Along the same lines as how I was thinking, but you said it better.

LONGTABBER PE said:

Thats about how I have always viewed psychics.

I'm ready to "believe" and will jump in with both feet as soon as a "real" psychic calls me up out of the blue and tells me whats on my mind or tells me specifically about an event I need to do/avoid.

If they do and are correct, then I would be compelled to pay that person and become a client.

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But how would he or she know your phone num ... oh yeah ... right!

jennifer62978 said:

Well stated. Along the same lines as how I was thinking, but you said it better.

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Agreed.

For me, with Sylvia Browne, it isn't just that she does it for money. It's her total lack of compassion and empathy. There are a few psychics I've seen whom, even though they also did it for money, at least attempted to appear sympathetic and kind. I've yet to see SB offer even that much. She's either telling the person the most painful details like she is reading a list of ingredients, or she's behaving as if she just cannot believe that this lowly being is wasting HER time.

Welcome Jennifer and thanks for weighing in with your experiences. I'm going to cross post this thread to the RSL update thread so he can see, again, his work makes a difference.

Is it too much to hope that this marriage will end in divorce and this guy will take half of everything she has?

Steve S.

steve s said:

Is it too much to hope that this marriage will end in divorce and this guy will take half of everything she has?

Steve S.

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Surely you don't think that with Sylvia's charm, grace, beauty, intellect and humour this guy would marry her just for money.

Hmm.

I think your hope might be worth holding onto for a bit.

ExMinister said:

Yes, Sylvia Browne's attempt to solicit yet more money from people who have less than she does is definitely apalling. If you have a chance, check out Robert Lancaster's article on her financial situation and you will, unfortunately, be even more apalled.

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ExMinster, could you link to that article please?

Cactus Wren said:

I don't know whether there are any specific instances of this, but my own mental image of Sylly is of her asking someone a question about a dead relative -- and then repeating back the answer, slightly rephrased, and prefaced with "Yeah, 'cause I was about to say". I've made these up, but in my mind this is how a session with Sylly goes:

"Was your mom a smoker?"
"Yes. She hated it, she tried to quit at least half a dozen times."
"Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, she wants you to know that she's free of that."

(OR: "Was your mom a smoker?"
("No, she never smoked, she couldn't stand the smell of smoke."
("Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, I'm getting a feeling of her avoiding certain places because of the cigarette smoke.")

"How did your father die? Was he ... " (carefully trail off to let the person answer)
"He had a heart attack."
"Yeah, 'cause I was about to say, I'm getting a really strong sensation around the chest area."

As simple as that: let the mark give the answer and then pretend you already knew it.

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Or this tactic


I"m seeing someone with an M N D or R in their name? Does that ring a bell?

No?

Oh wait its an S P L or B?

Maybe my Aunt Sarah?

I'm seeing an A? Sally, Sarah, Sarong?

Yeah Aunt Sarah.......

Ok she wants you to know something..........


and on and on and on

Kuko 4000 said:

ExMinster, could you link to that article please?

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http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/brownesmoney.shtml

ExMinister said:

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/brownesmoney.shtml

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Thanks

Another link, since bankruptcy is mentioned in the thread title and the article said this: Along with her success, Browne has suffered some heartbreak — her personal life includes financial trouble and four ex-husbands. “Twenty-five years ago I did go bankrupt because of my husband stealing all my money,” she says.

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/peoplevsbrown.shtml

truethat said:

Or this tactic


I"m seeing someone with an M N D or R in their name? Does that ring a bell?

No?

Oh wait its an S P L or B?

Maybe my Aunt Sarah?

I'm seeing an A? Sally, Sarah, Sarong?

Yeah Aunt Sarah.......

Ok she wants you to know something..........


and on and on and on

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"I'm getting that there's a light near you...and some colors...and there is a man...with a white beard...[squinting] I see his name begins with a J...or an R...or E...or F..."

ExMinister said:

Another link, since bankruptcy is mentioned in the thread title and the article said this: Along with her success, Browne has suffered some heartbreak — her personal life includes financial trouble and four ex-husbands. “Twenty-five years ago I did go bankrupt because of my husband stealing all my money,” she says.

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/peoplevsbrown.shtml

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Now, why is it that 'Francine' could warn the fairy about some stupid dog, but she didn't alert SB that her husband was stealing her money?

Spirit guides, yeah. Big help they appear to be.

ExMinister said:

Another link, since bankruptcy is mentioned in the thread title and the article said this: Along with her success, Browne has suffered some heartbreak — her personal life includes financial trouble and four ex-husbands. “Twenty-five years ago I did go bankrupt because of my husband stealing all my money,” she says.

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/peoplevsbrown.shtml

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Ha! Yeah! And she remarried that dark entity who stole all her money! What a maroon.

Oh - and, hello, Jennifer! Welcome to the JREF Forums!

RSL's better half said:

Ha! Yeah! And she remarried that dark entity who stole all her money! What a maroon.

Oh - and, hello, Jennifer! Welcome to the JREF Forums!

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They became good friends or "companions" again, though didn't remarry. I guess you're only a dark entity if you're annoying Sylvia, one of her family or close friends, or a high-paying client.

whoa...

Four husbands! And she gives advice?

I also bet her current finances aren't that great. Sounds like she is supporting her son and grandchild (hmmm, and the son doesn't seem a winner in the marriage market). Let's just say that the way she pumps out books and how she is still working hard despite her age and ill health... it's indicative that she doesn't manage her money well. Just a guess.

I think the Sylvia Browne biography (NOT autobiography) would be a sad but interesting read.

Thanks for the welcoming.

As I said, I have read all of Mr. Lancaster's articles, plus passed them on to anyone who is a Sylvia believer.

In addition, I have also been a "lurker" for quite a while on the JREF boards.

I was always thinking about posting, but many times didn't have any "new" information to add. However, when my mom told me about this email, I told her that I would post it to this forum and my mom forwarded the email to me. Even my mom thought that it was a new low for Sylvia to be asking point blank for money.

I am not usually a big poster to forums, unless I feel I have something to add, and also being in medical school, I am pretty busy

As this is a skeptic forum - I can tell you that I do check quite a bit, and I consider myself quite the skeptic on most things that I do not have concrete evidence for, simply due to my scientific background.

Do I hope that there is some other life form out there more intelligent than we are? Yes, I do, because there are so many people out there that is we are it, then I am worried .

Would I like to believe there is a higher power? Yes, but Jesus appearing in some TOAST is not going to convince me!!

Would I like to believe in reincarnation? Yes, it would be nice to think that we have a chance to come in and do things right in our lives, since almost everyone believes they have made wrong turns here or there. However, until I run into some toddler that tells me he is my deceased grandfather and can tell me about his previous life...but I am not holding my breath.....

Do I hope that when we die, that somewhere we get to see everyone who passed before us again? Of course!!

Do I have any concrete evidence for either? No. Do I need to spend big money for someone to tell me their theories? No.

I have my own theories and my theories are open to change based on any credible information that may come along.

Doesn't Mrs Browne have any friends?

No. Let me re-phrase that -- does she have a "professional association" with another psychic?

If she can't cast the runes to predict her future, surely some other psychic can and thus warn her about her about what is to come in her life?

Maybe she should spend the $500 and phone her son. I hear he comes highly recommended.

Bloody ****** ****. Why does anyone believe this ****?

kittynh said:

whoa...

Four husbands! And she gives advice?

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That's a point that occurred to me as well. Why in the world would anyone take advice on relationships from someone who has been married four times? And also had at least one boyfriend in her late 60s/70s that she didn't end up marrying. That's not a good track record.

Why would someone take medical advice from an obese life long smoker in a wheelchair? She's been smoking for more than 50 years- that's longer than my mother has been alive! According to an ex-husband, that is.

Why would someone take financial advice from someone who makes so much money but spends it so quickly? Who manages it so badly?

jennifer62978 said:

Thanks for the welcoming.

As I said, I have read all of Mr. Lancaster's articles, plus passed them on to anyone who is a Sylvia believer.

In addition, I have also been a "lurker" for quite a while on the JREF boards.

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Welcome to the forum! I'm a SSB.com researcher and contributer to the site. If you haven't seen them already, I'd encourage you to search for some of the old threads on the forum (material compiled by myself and a poster named QG that hasn't yet made it to Robert's site). It's worth a read.

Gord_in_Toronto said:

Doesn't Mrs Browne have any friends?

No. Let me re-phrase that -- does she have a "professional association" with another psychic?

If she can't cast the runes to predict her future, surely some other psychic can and thus warn her about her about what is to come in her life?

Maybe she should spend the $500 and phone her son. I hear he comes highly recommended.

Bloody ****** ****. Why does anyone believe this ****?

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That's what Catholic priests do. They hear one another's confessions and absolve one another of their sins.

Then, she's not too supportive of other psychics. I've heard her say positive things about John Edwards and James Van Praagh but she apparently won't permit anyone's books but her's into NS's book groups. And she warns that there are a lot of frauds out there.

Since she touts her son so heavily, maybe they could do one another's readings. Oh yeah, you can't see the future of anyone "close to you", either.

Edit: Come to think of it, there are doctors, nurses and other medical professionals who are overweight themselves, who smoke, who drink, etc. and who certainly know their stuff. So maybe there is some "do as I say, not as I do" advice you would do well to listen to. And someone who can't take care of their own life isn't always wrong about yours.

Still, Sylvia Browne has no buisness telling anyone anything about their lives.

Gord_in_Toronto said:

Doesn't Mrs Browne have any friends?

No. Let me re-phrase that -- does she have a "professional association" with another psychic?

If she can't cast the runes to predict her future, surely some other psychic can and thus warn her about her about what is to come in her life?

Maybe she should spend the $500 and phone her son. I hear he comes highly recommended.

Bloody ****** ****. Why does anyone believe this ****?

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It is curious that Sylvia Browne does not get readings from other psychics. One might think that Sylvia Browne does not believe psychics are genuine. What ever would have given her an idea like that??

jennifer62978 said:

Sorry for all the erroneous info, I just wanted to give some background before I post what my mom sent me.

Since my mom still gets emails from Sylvia - my mom forwarded me the following a few days back

Sylvia Browne letter said:

"I need your help and I expect it to be returned to you a thousand-fold!
In these dire economic times, I am asking for your help to keep my church, the Society of Novus Spiritus alive. It has become overwhelmingly difficult for me to be nearly the sole support of this representation of our belief and philosophy. I am asking for only $1.00 (or more) as seed money and as such, expect it to be returned to you a thousand-fold. God bless you for your help in our time of need.
God love you,
I do,
Sylvia"

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Seed money???

She's following in the footsteps of Peter Popoff and Don Stewart. I'm not surprised.