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Old 15th April 2009, 10:59 AM   #1
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Firefighters do not like the truth movement....

http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=107457

Somebody asks about the group "firefighters for 9/11 truth" the guy who created the site logs in and gets chewed out by the rest of them. Including by a firefighter who was there at the WTC.
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Old 15th April 2009, 11:35 AM   #2
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That thread is also discussed in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=140150
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Old 15th April 2009, 11:54 AM   #3
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That Koolaid guy creeps me out. He's spewing the same garbage that truthers here do, yet with an even more smarmy, patronizing, "just asking questions" attitude, if that's possible.
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Koolaid1 knows he is a fraud; what a name! I like this response from a rational human.

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Because when you face the true facts you end up looking like just another conspiracy wack job.
http://forums.firehouse.com/showpost...2&postcount=25

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Maybe you and koolaid1 can get together and fold aluminum foil hats together for the next meeting of conspiracy wack jobs.

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Old 15th April 2009, 12:26 PM   #5
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For those not aware, "koolaid1" is Eric Lawyer, the founder and, from what I can tell, the sole confirmed firefighter behind the shame site "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth".
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Old 15th April 2009, 12:40 PM   #6
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I've followed the thread as well, there's a couple Seattle FF truthers that have been challenged to go to a FDNY station and present their case, so far none have taken them up on it.
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Old 15th April 2009, 12:58 PM   #7
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I don't think it's been verified if any of those other Truthers are actually firefighters. The verified firefighters on the forum seem skeptical.
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Old 15th April 2009, 01:32 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I don't think it's been verified if any of those other Truthers are actually firefighters. The verified firefighters on the forum seem skeptical.
Two have listed their name and station.
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Old 15th April 2009, 02:14 PM   #9
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Two have listed their name and station.
Fair enough, but I don't think that proves anything. Those guys have all recently joined and haven't been established as properly vetted, as opposed to the actual firefighters on the forum who have been there for years and had no reason to lie when they joined.
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Koolaid-Boy tried to reference AE911T as a "consensus" of "experts", and an actual engineer came in and gave him a smackdown. Man, this thread is great!
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most americans do not like the truth movement. i would assume the FDNY are the same..or even more hateful of them.

but that's because they are all a bunch of government loyalist, Zionist-loving, income tax-paying, sheep.

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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Fair enough, but I don't think that proves anything. Those guys have all recently joined and haven't been established as properly vetted, as opposed to the actual firefighters on the forum who have been there for years and had no reason to lie when they joined.
I understand, and I suspect that several recent posters are dressing up as fireman, but in reality are just low-life truthers. Those two at least listed pertinent information that can easily be verified. The fact that there are a few FF truthers doesn't suprise me, or the regular posters there. You're going to find nutcases in every profession, as pointed out by a couple firemen. They are truly embarrassed that they exist and telling them so in no uncertain terms.

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Old 15th April 2009, 02:36 PM   #13
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Koolaid-Boy tried to reference AE911T as a "consensus" of "experts", and an actual engineer came in and gave him a smackdown. Man, this thread is great!
Yep, right here:

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I was not going to waste my time responding to any more of this crap, but I saw this and could not resist.

I am a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). ASCE has a worldwide membership of about 146,000. In my experience, about 1/3 of the engineers I have met in my 18 year career belong to ASCE. So, for the sake of argument, letís assume there are 438,000 civil engineers in the world that would be eligible for ASCE membership (a low number).

The American Institute of Architects has a membership of about 86,000. I don't really know if their membership percentage is more or less then with ASCE, but, for the sake of argument, we will put their number at 2x their membership, 172,000.

That makes a total of 610,000 design professionals that do or would be eligible to belong to one of these organizations.

You are basing your BS on the opinion of less then 1/10 of 1% of the design professionals in the world.

And you are going to lecture me that you are right and I am wrong?

Not by a long shot there skippy.
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Two have listed their name and station.
Well a firefighter, ffbam24, of good standing in that forum, on the 13th post. Quoted this.
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My buddy tells me, "Great guy and one hell of a fire fighter but that shift has been drinking the conspiracy cool aid from one of their officers."
It seems well known that the Wooo is strong there.

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just cause you are FDNY...doesn't mean you can't be a conspiracy theorist. These guys have the highest rates of suicide and divorce of any job in the USA. its a very tough life..and seeing friends injured and die all the time can really get to you.

i wish 9-11 truthers would stay away from our brave firefighters. they deserve better then their lies and bs.
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For the people who were there the topic doesn't appear to be up for debate. It's simply a matter of fact.
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there is wtc dust in my lungs. anyone wanna check them for thermite residue?

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I sooo want to register there just to show the Richard Gage cardboard box video.
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I sooo want to register there just to show the Richard Gage cardboard box video.
I might register there just to ask them to please not delete that thread (as some members seem to want) so we can reference it when some truther shows up fluffing Lawyer's site or claims they have the support of firefighters.
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Wow, the guy in charge of that Firefighter v. 911 site is a real truther. Typical truther, absolute shot gun blather of repeatedly debunked garbage and cites to garbage sites like Patriots for Truth. He is now going on and on about Quintiere apparently unaware that he thinks 911 truthers are completely wrong.

This guy is borderline delusional
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He is now going on and on about Quintiere apparently unaware that he thinks 911 truthers are completely wrong.
What the? Am I reading this right... he's saying the guy is unaware of what he thinks?
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Borderline?????? :d
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This is one of my favorite lines:

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Yowch. It's like the Charge of the Sock Brigade in there. You notice how a couple of the Seattle truthy 'firefighters' end all their diatribes with the last couple paragraphs in bold?

Methinks it's one person. They're all armed with the same information. Which makes me think, is there some sort of master text grimoire loaded with bullet-pointed 'facts' supporting the truther's cause? That would get tiresome typing all that out. It's gotta be some enormous 1.2MB text file just full of the bunk.
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Yowch. It's like the Charge of the Sock Brigade in there. You notice how a couple of the Seattle truthy 'firefighters' end all their diatribes with the last couple paragraphs in bold?

Methinks it's one person. They're all armed with the same information. Which makes me think, is there some sort of master text grimoire loaded with bullet-pointed 'facts' supporting the truther's cause? That would get tiresome typing all that out. It's gotta be some enormous 1.2MB text file just full of the bunk.
Truthers would be nothing if not for the copy/paste feature of computers.
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It also makes me never want to own any property in Seattle. If it burned down, they'd spend three weeks having Richard Gage look for explosives.
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The monumental beatdown going on over there is ceaselessly entertaining.

I would like to echo the sentiment that that thread never be taken down to stand as a stark reminder of just how far removed from reality Truthers really are.

I for one will be linking to it every single time one of our neighborhood kooks so much as hints at a topic even remotely related to the FDNY. And I predict we will see an end to a such topics being broached by the Truthers here as their rampant intellectual cowardice forces them to avoid anything that might challenge their dogma.
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I just hurt myself. I fell off the chair laughing. This friggin' moron is lecturing ME about NFPA 921. ME!

You may not be hear to name call and insult, but I am. You are a loser, pal. I challenge you to walk into anyf firehouse in NYC and spew this nonsense. Just make sure that you leave good info as to what you want done with your remains (not a threat, but a prediction).

And, just so I fit into your little model, here...I was standing with several hundred other fire fighters outside Manhattan Community College when 7 fell. I watched it, heard it, smelled it and saw it fall. You are 100% completely, totally positvely wrong on every single count.
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That really is an excellent thread. Maybe Red-"the firefighters just accepted the official explanation because it sounded plausible"-Ibis would like to register at that forum and ask them some questions.
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The monumental beatdown going on over there is ceaselessly entertaining.
Indeed! In response to koolaid boy lecturing the firefighters on boxboys numbers:

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I was not going to waste my time responding to any more of this crap, but I saw this and could not resist.

I am a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). ASCE has a worldwide membership of about 146,000. In my experience, about 1/3 of the engineers I have met in my 18 year career belong to ASCE. So, for the sake of argument, letís assume there are 438,000 civil engineers in the world that would be eligible for ASCE membership (a low number).

The American Institute of Architects has a membership of about 86,000. I don't really know if their membership percentage is more or less then with ASCE, but, for the sake of argument, we will put their number at 2x their membership, 172,000.

That makes a total of 610,000 design professionals that do or would be eligible to belong to one of these organizations.

You are basing your BS on the opinion of less then 1/10 of 1% of the design professionals in the world.

And you are going to lecture me that you are right and I am wrong?

Not by a long shot there skippy.
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Two have listed their name and station.
NY firefighters? If so, names, please.
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I was not going to waste my time responding to any more of this crap, but I saw this and could not resist.

I am a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). ASCE has a worldwide membership of about 146,000. In my experience, about 1/3 of the engineers I have met in my 18 year career belong to ASCE. So, for the sake of argument, letís assume there are 438,000 civil engineers in the world that would be eligible for ASCE membership (a low number).

The American Institute of Architects has a membership of about 86,000. I don't really know if their membership percentage is more or less then with ASCE, but, for the sake of argument, we will put their number at 2x their membership, 172,000.

That makes a total of 610,000 design professionals that do or would be eligible to belong to one of these organizations.

You are basing your BS on the opinion of less then 1/10 of 1% of the design professionals in the world.

And you are going to lecture me that you are right and I am wrong?

Not by a long shot there skippy.
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Kindly point me to the poll that shows that every ACSE member has voted Anti truth ?

Link please???


The largest group i know of that has taken an official stance one way or the other is AE911
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NY firefighters? If so, names, please.
No they are Seattle Firefighters. I think there was one Chicago firefighter that posted that believed this stuff.
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Originally Posted by roundhead View Post
Kindly point me to the poll that shows that every ACSE member has voted Anti truth ?

Link please???


The largest group i know of that has taken an official stance one way or the other is AE911
I know understanding things isn't your strong suit, but if you'll read carefully what Anthony had to say, you'll see he doesn't making any statements regarding what non-AE911 engineers do or do not believe. He merely points out the statistical insignificance of AE911's membership, thus making any claims that they have a "consensus" profoundly fraudulent. Kind of like every other claim made by you and the ridiculous "movement" you champion.
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Kindly point me to the poll that shows that every ACSE member has voted Anti truth ?

Link please???


The largest group i know of that has taken an official stance one way or the other is AE911
That's like asking, show me a poll of scientitsts that think the earth is round.
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I know understanding things isn't your strong suit, but if you'll read carefully what Anthony had to say, you'll see he doesn't making any statements regarding what non-AE911 engineers do or do not believe. He merely points out the statistical insignificance of AE911's membership, thus making any claims that they have a "consensus" profoundly fraudulent. Kind of like every other claim made by you and the ridiculous "movement" you champion.

The truth likely is that 90% of those engineers arent aware of 9/11 in much of any way, since probably a week after it was over.


Heck i bet a sizeable portion of the population doesnt know North Carolina is the NCAA basketball champs less than two weeks ago.


The fact is, people are passionate about 9/11, those who are passionate about it, the largest group on one side or the other is AE911.
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That's like asking, show me a poll of scientitsts that think the earth is round.
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The fact is, people are passionate about 9/11, those who are passionate about it, the largest group on one side or the other is AE911.
Just like the people who are passionate, one way or the other, whether the earth being round or not, the largest group on either side, is the Flat-Earth Society.
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Kindly point me to the poll that shows that every ACSE member has voted Anti truth ?

Link please???


The largest group i know of that has taken an official stance one way or the other is AE911
ACSE said AE911 guys are dolts with no real evidence.
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The truth likely is that 90% of those engineers arent aware of 9/11 in much of any way, since probably a week after it was over.
Yeah, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the world's engineer's simply aren't aware of the most significant engineering-related event in recent history (despite the fact that Richard Gage has been actively campaigning their industry for support for years).

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Heck i bet a sizeable portion of the population doesnt know North Carolina is the NCAA basketball champs less than two weeks ago.
Great analogy.

Now apply it to the population of people who are involved in and/or follow college basketball. I bet your numbers might go up a bit.

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The fact is, people are passionate about 9/11, those who are passionate about it, the largest group on one side or the other is AE911.
Here's your chance to be a hero. Be sure and let us know the reply you get when you inform one of the world's largest engineering organizations that the reason they don't support your movment is because they must not follow engineering-related issues too closely.
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