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Chemtrails nonsense

Graham2001

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Spotted in the NZ Heralds weather blog were the following posts by someone (Bruce Voight) claiming to be from Canada. (Partial quotes only, for the full quotes click here to see the full article.)

As always I'm rather curious to learn just where this goofball learned his 'science'...


Quote 1.
I have been blaiming Global Change on the likes of Earth Tipping and Chem Trails. I do realize and consider other things such as pollution but until the powers that be get a handle on whats really happening we are on the road to hell in a hand basket.

In the days before high altitude Aviation some forces of our Planet matured at known old fashion altitudes (clouds) and the other continued out into Space producing dark matter creating Universal expansion.

Whats become known, as chem trails in the sky is the maturity of Earths escaping forces caused by a reaction producing large air or atmospheric cells...
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<Name> Sorry about that, forgot you guys are upside down. Will try bringing a litle of my science together explaining your unusual weather.

A simple phenomenon is the temperature Cold. All cells, quarks, nuclei, blood, earth etc produce cold from their poles. We see this on our planet what we don't detect is the cold from the poles of say a skin cell. The ratio of cold emitting from cells is so minute as to go unnoticed except of course the big cell Earth. Every cell has a nucleus with orbiting bits of itself (nuclei) and individually con zillions of these are in harmony with the cell until a reaction causes the particles to repel one another. Individually these particles have the same energy as the parent two poled cell. Now you will notice the cold being produced. As an example take an air cell and cause a reaction! OK just blow on your hand.
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Graham2001 said:
In the days before high altitude Aviation some forces of our Planet matured at known old fashion altitudes (clouds) and the other continued out into Space producing dark matter creating Universal expansion.
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So wait....Is he saying Earth is responsible for dark matter and the expansion of the universe or am I just reading that wrong?:confused:
 
Wait, so... if everything produces cold, then the absence of cold is heat?

I wonder how he explains stars...

Ohnoes said:
So wait....Is he saying Earth is responsible for dark matter and the expansion of the universe or am I just reading that wrong?:confused:
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That's how I read it, too...
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Wait, so... if everything produces cold, then the absence of cold is heat?

I wonder how he explains stars...
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I have absolutely no idea...

Somehow the link in the OP got messed up. I'm re-posting it below.

New Zealanders are 'freezing' (NZ Herald, 8 June, 2009).

The woo is in the comments section. I have no idea who 'Bruce Voigt' is, but the suggestion that he has some connection with the Timecube guy does bear looking at.
 
actually, folks from NOAA did find that without all the contrails during the closure of America's airspace during 9-11, average temperatures did in fact decrease over the USA.

point? contrails may actually be contributing to global warming.
 
I wanna be first with "da proof":

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parky76 said:
actually, folks from NOAA did find that without all the contrails during the closure of America's airspace during 9-11, average temperatures did in fact decrease over the USA.

point? contrails may actually be contributing to global warming.
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Questionss out of curiousity.

1. Do you know where the NOAA conducted tests to show the temperature decrease? I ask this because of high traffic areas; the data over NYC that day and the days following should be discarded as they would not represent accurate data on aircraft-specific generated heat as fires were still present.

2. What methods of collection were used (eg: previous year's data vs. data collected the day(s) civilian aircraft were grounded and then cross-checked)?

3. What was the drop in temperature while aircraft were grounded? Over what period of time?

It wouldn't be the contrails themselves per se that contribute to temperature fluctuation. Contrails are merely the hot exhaust cooling into water vapor and/or ice; they are the visible effects of hot air cooling (not to be confused with induced drag from the wings (usually the wingtips, but also leading edge extensions found on many fighters) generating lift causing vortices to spin in areas of lower pressure, visible because of water vaporization).
 
Robster said:
Bruce Voight or Sokal?
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No idea, I did a websearch using a phrase (" our Planet matured at known old fashion altitudes (clouds)") from one of the two posts the kook did on the NZ Herald weather blog.

This bought up just one thing a long (74 page, started in 2006) thread about crop circles over at something called the "PhysForum".

It begins with the following from 'Bruce'

Bruce Voigt said:
Now that we have dealt with the simplicity that Earth Quakes are caused by the interaction of tone of sound and the Earths Magnetic Field and that the Pyramids of Giza and the likes were not built by Egyptians or Aliens but evolved (grew) We can get into more interesting things.

To understand Crop Circle phenomenon you must first understand other phenomenon but before that and to hold your interest here is a thumbnail sketch of Crop circles.

The same forces of our Earth that influences water (waves) and air (wind) are at work creating crop circles.

The seed of the crop when unfolded (think of a snowflake or open flower) has at its centre a nucleus with orbiting nuclei (three nuclei orbits to a nucleus producing six poles.)

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Crop Circles, The How and Why

It would appear that this guy has been at this for a while...
 
While aircraft, as with anything burning fossil fuel, do pollute, it should be self-evident what you are seeing behind high-altitude aircraft are not "chem trails." I can cite current (operational) aircraft that do emit visible by-products (ie: "smoke") but there is no chem trail conspiracy. I would like to see data suggesting otherwise, not in the form of controlled tests of chemical release from aircraft (typically harmless but visible to show its dispersal). Plenty of these tests have been done, it isn't a conspiracy. The basics aren't even classified (look up CS gas, 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile or C10H5ClN2 (ANSI won't play ball for the sub 10, 5, and 2) for the chemists here). It is made visible for a reason.
 
if chemtrails really were poison...why in the world would the NWO make them visible for all to see...and have them last for hours???

oh, right, the NWO likes to **** with our heads!!! now it all makes sense.
 
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parky76 said:
i believe it was an average temp decrease of 1 degree, nationwide. and i think it was during the period of 9/11 to 9/14.

i will find a link for ya.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/08/07/contrails.climate/

but...

http://www.celsias.com/article/9-11-contrail-climate-effects-questioned/
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I appreciate the links, but I could not help overlooking this...

"And contrails are much more prevalent when the sun is out," he said. "When this is factored in, there is a possibility that they offset global warming, and this is what we are trying to determine now."

Followed by

"The researchers plan more studies to tackle that question, but they said they expect to rely on circumstantial evidence only."

No s***?

So...based on circumstantial evidence, we should be flying to our further destinations (given we can reach altitude before having to land) to circumvent "global warming"? I already do, but that's another story.
 
I have a picture in a book here of the sky over Dresden Germany during a B-17 raid in WW-2. The sky was almost obscured with condensation trails.

I suppose we were using chemical warfare against the Nazis, then?

LOL

Seriously, you see contrails when you see aircraft flying through a region of humid air where clouds have not yet formed. The aircraft's disturbance of the air, and the exhaust particles combine to allow nucleation of the moisture, and so nice linear clouds.

If conditions are not right, they fade pretty quickly.

If conditions ARE right they can persist or grow and become proper clouds.

It is believed that they DO change the weather because they change the albedo of the planet and reflect solar radiation back into space. Europe being very congested with air traffic, this effect is considerable there.

And WHY don't these nutjobs go out and buy a spectrometer, learn how to use it, and take spectrographs of contrails? They will find them to be not much different from clouds except of course for the jet exhaust.
 
BenBurch said:
I have a picture in a book here of the sky over Dresden Germany during a B-17 raid in WW-2. The sky was almost obscured with condensation trails.

I suppose we were using chemical warfare against the Nazis, then?

LOL

Seriously, you see contrails when you see aircraft flying through a region of humid air where clouds have not yet formed. The aircraft's disturbance of the air, and the exhaust particles combine to allow nucleation of the moisture, and so nice linear clouds.

If conditions are not right, they fade pretty quickly.

If conditions ARE right they can persist or grow and become proper clouds.

It is believed that they DO change the weather because they change the albedo of the planet and reflect solar radiation back into space. Europe being very congested with air traffic, this effect is considerable there.

And WHY don't these nutjobs go out and buy a spectrometer, learn how to use it, and take spectrographs of contrails? They will find them to be not much different from clouds except of course for the jet exhaust.
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It is believed that they DO change the weather because they change the albedo of the planet and reflect solar radiation back into space. Europe being very congested with air traffic, this effect is considerable there.

Actually, this isn't anything particularly new (the theory). The instruments (I'll get to that) are getting better and more advanced to measure what effect the contrails have. Further testing is required to make a determination as to how much effect the contrails have in any given area (high traffic vs. low traffic, high pollution vs. low pollution (areas), etc.). Los Angeles would be an excellent area for the high traffic/high pollution tests.

And WHY don't these nutjobs go out and buy a spectrometer, learn how to use it, and take spectrographs of contrails? They will find them to be not much different from clouds except of course for the jet exhaust.

Which nutjobs, exactly? Likely, they cannot afford the proper equipment nor have the academic background to translate the results even if they did.

A point I'd like to make for anyone still believing in "chem trails." The military (primarily the Air Force, but all branches operate aircraft) dislike contrails. The reason? Contrails give away the position of the aircraft (even if the actual aircraft is not visible to the naked eye). Work/testing has been and is still being done to eliminate contrails as much as possible because of this reason. One can see the military advantage to eliminating the visible aspects of aircraft as much as possible. Not all ops are done during the night, and the military doesn't control the weather when the ops are carried out.
 
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