Ron Paul and Earmarks [split from: Ron Paul's Bill Has 213 Co-Sponsors!]

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Alt+F4 said:
This bill is hardly news. Like the majority of bills, it probably won't ever get out of committee.
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Actually, you should continue that statement.

"... it probably won't get out of committee just in time for the '10 elections so he can play up his activism while still earmarking funds for his district (which he disapproves of, of course)."


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Foolmewunz said:
Actually, you should continue that statement.

"... it probably won't get out of committee just in time for the '10 elections so he can play up his activism while still earmarking funds for his district (which he disapproves of, of course)."
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Well, Paul doesn't vote in favor of the Bills he put earmarks in, does he? And how does this relate to the proposed Bill? I missed the earmarks in his new bill, to be honest.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Actually, you should continue that statement.

"... it probably won't get out of committee just in time for the '10 elections so he can play up his activism while still earmarking funds for his district (which he disapproves of, of course)."
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Ron Paul has never voted for an earmark. He always votes against earmarks.
 
Paul's hypocrisy in screaming about Guvmint spending then grabbing off all he can for his district is old news. It first came out during his "historic" Presidential run.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Wow, that's a lot of pork, I didn't expect to see him asking for $70 million for FEMA projects.
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Ron Paul voted against those bills, because they contained unconstitutional spending provisions.
 
Galileo said:
Ron Paul voted against all those bills because they had earmarks in them.

FAIL
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Did you even read the link? How is Paul voting against earmarks he is asking for in the first place?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Did you even read the link? How is Paul voting against earmarks he is asking for in the first place?
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He actually is. There's no requirement that you vote for a budget bill because you put earmarks in it.
 
Galileo said:
Ron Paul voted against those bills, because they contained unconstitutional spending provisions.
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Again, this is what he is asking for:

The deadline has passed for House members to submit their requests for earmark projects for fiscal year 2009.

Here they are for Rep. Ron Paul, R-Lake Jackson:

Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science:
• $250,000 for Galveston Economic Development Partnership, for Galveston Center for Business and Technology Development to help spin off private investment at National Lab of the University of Texas Medical Branch
• $500,000 for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (youth rehabilitation)

Subcommittee on Defense:
• $3.5 million for study of health risks of exposure to vanadium
Subcommittee on Military Construction:
• $2 million for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (serving minority veterans)

Subcommittee on Energy and Water Development:
• $41.073 million for Army Corps of Engineers to deepen and widen Texas City Channel
• $21.6 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge and reconfigure jetties at mouth of Colorado River
• $7.02 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge Freeport Harbor
• $16.021 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Galveston Harbor
• $1 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Cedar Bayou
• $3.297 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Texas City Channel
• $200,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Cedar Bayou
• $13.038 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Matagorda Ship Channel
• $42.018 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Gulf Intercoastal Waterway
• $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Victoria
• $600,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Sabine Pass to Galveston Bay
• $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Feeport Harbor
• $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Lower Guadalupe River Basin
• $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for preliminary engineering and design study at Freeport Harbor.
• $21.7 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Houston Galveston Navigation Channel
• $2.165 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Trinity River
• $6.979 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Wallisville Lake
• $1.3 million for Army Corps of Engineers to study flooding around Colorado River
• $11 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Wharton and Onion Creek
• $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers for Chocolate Bayou
• $533,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Port Bolivar
• $41.623 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Houston Ship Channel
• $1.01 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Double Bayou
• $3 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Clear Creek
• $500,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Port Palacios
• $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to study sand placement near Brazoria County shoreline

Subcommittee on Interior and the Environment:
• $5 million for Fort Bend County for City of Kendleton water and sewer improvements

Subcommittee on Homeland Security:
• $10 million for Coast Guard to improve Galveston Rail Causeway
• $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County
• $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier
• $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan
• $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $5 million for FEMA to recycle household hazardous waste in Friendswood

Subcommittee on Transportation:
• $1.96 million to replace buses in and around Victoria
• $2 million to renovate transit maintenance facility in Galveston
• $5 million to reconfigure Texas Clipper training ship
• $25,000 to install security cameras at Fox Run Apartments in Victoria
• $2 million to beautify Galveston Seawall and support Transit Access Program in Galveston
• $3.6 million to construct inter-modal transit facility in Victoria
• $3.5 million for analysis of commuter rail alternatives in Galveston
• $10.3 million for City of Bay City for NuBlac Youth/Community Center
• $2.2 million for City of Bay City for improvements to electrical wiring in low and moderate income housing

Subcommittee on Labor, HHS, Education:
• $90,000 for Victoria Chamber of Commerce for business/career-related education for youth
• $248,942 for UTMB for employee wellness program for small businesses
• $1.748 million for University of Houston-Victoria for DNA testing and genetic diagnostic lab
• $300,000 for Bay City MEHOP for fund reinstatement of mobile unit
• $200,000 for Bay City MEHOP to recruit nurse practitioner
• $1.92 million for UTMB to study muscle mass loss in aging vs. microgravity (NASA related) at International Space Station National Lab
• $750,000 for Houston Memorial Hermann HealthCare system for Life Flight operations center
• $26 million for Washington, D.C. "Reading is Fundamental" program
• $10 million for Boston, Mass., "Reach Out and Read" national center
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Alt+F4 said:
Did you even read the link? How is Paul voting against earmarks he is asking for in the first place?
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He voted against the earmarks. He did not vote for the earrmarks. That what I said.

Whichever congresspeople voted for those bills, voted for Ron Paul's earmarks.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Again, this is what he is asking for:
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I said Ron Paul never voted for an earmark. Putting an earmark in a bill that you know in advance Ron Paul will vote against, is not asking for anything. Ron Paul always asks the congress to vote against unconstitutional spending bills.

If these bills passed, then the rest of the congress gave it to him, and they are at fault, not Ron Paul.
 
Galileo said:
I said Ron Paul never voted for an earmark. Putting an earmark in a bill that you know in advance Ron Paul will vote against, is not asking for anything. Ron Paul always asks the congress to vote against unconstitutional spending bills.

If these bills passed, then the rest of the congress gave it to him, and they are at fault, not Ron Paul.
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So you're saying that Ron Paul asks for money for his district but when the bills come to a vote he votes against them?
 
Alt+F4 said:
So you're saying that Ron Paul asks for money for his district but when the bills come to a vote he votes against them?
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Ron Paul does not ask for money. He puts earmarks in uncontitutional spending bills.
 
Galileo said:
Ron Paul does not ask for money. He puts earmarks in uncontitutional spending bills.
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Quite hypocritical. Paul inserts earmarks for his special interests in his district, votes against the spending bill, but telling those interests that in spite of his No vote, the interests will get their funds anyway as the bill will pass.
 
What an honorable man!
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Particualry honorable is his tactic of putting in his earmarks,then voting against the bill, knowing damn well it is going to pass anway.


It's official: The Ron Paul movement has become a Cult,complete with blind faith in a infallible, all knowing leader,who can do no wrong.

On second thought , that is what it has always been. It is just a little more apparent now.
 
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Alt+F4 said:
Quite hypocritical. Paul inserts earmarks for his special interests in his district, votes against the spending bill, but telling those interests that in spite of his No vote, the interests will get their funds anyway as the bill will pass.
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Prove that the bill will pass.
 
Galileo said:
Prove that the bill will pass.
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You mean prove that the bills passed, don't you. This is his record. He plays to the suckers on AJ's show and the believing sheeple, and makes a drama of how he votes against the bills, knowing full well that they were going to pass with or without his vote.

And in the interim, he's tucked earmarks into them to get some largesse from the taxpayer back for his district.

I'd like to say "politics as usual", but it's politics as unusual. It's a degree of cynicism rarely matched in politics. Essentially it boils down to Ron knowing that his followers are so stupid that they'll believe the sound byte or photo op of him voting against the bill because like Louis in Casablanca, he's "shocked, shocked I tell you" that there are earmarks in the bill (some of which are his own).

And Galileo proves that his cynicism is correct. He can stand against earmarks while exploiting them for his constituency, and then all the Tommies ("the deaf, dumb and blind kid) will still believe in St. Ron.
 
Galileo said:
He voted against the earmarks. He did not vote for the earrmarks. That what I said.

Whichever congresspeople voted for those bills, voted for Ron Paul's earmarks.
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Ever hear of plausible deniability? That's what ol' Ron is doing, dude. He introduces the earmarks, votes against them "out of principle", but gets the earmarks anyway because the bill passes regardless. And then he can have it both ways: he "stuck by his principles" by not voting for the earmark, but he introduced the damn thing in the first place!

So, if Ron really does stick by his espoused principles, explain why he even proposes the earmarks in the first place? If he didn't propose them, they wouldn't exist - and he could still vote against the bill because of all the other earmarks for his colleagues within it.

That would be a truly principled way in which to act, don't you think? Otherwise, ol' Ron just comes off as looking very disingenuous.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Ever hear of plausible deniability? That's what ol' Ron is doing, dude. He introduces the earmarks, votes against them "out of principle", but gets the earmarks anyway because the bill passes regardless. And then he can have it both ways: he "stuck by his principles" by not voting for the earmark, but he introduced the damn thing in the first place!

So, if Ron really does stick by his espoused principles, explain why he even proposes the earmarks in the first place? If he didn't propose them, they wouldn't exist - and he could still vote against the bill because of all the other earmarks for his colleagues within it.

That would be a truly principled way in which to act, don't you think? Otherwise, ol' Ron just comes off as looking very disingenuous.
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Well, if you're right, then Paul is not a nutjob, but rather the smartest guy in congress. All the more reason to back his bill on the Fed, he must be right.

:shocked::duck::flamed::yikes:
 
Galileo said:
Well, if you're right, then Paul is not a nutjob, but rather the smartest guy in congress. All the more reason to back his bill on the Fed, he must be right.

:shocked::duck::flamed::yikes:
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That just makes Paul the greatest shearer of sheep in Congress. He takes your contributions and lies to you and then gets you to go out and defend his lies in public, making a complete buffoon of yourself.

That's the editorial "you", of course.

I'd find it difficult to believe that if Charlie Rangel was pulling the same thing (he likely is - they all do) and condemning big spending bills and earmarks, then plugging in his own porkbarrel, that we'd have the Ronulans running out to defend him. But St. Ron does it, and he's just a poor victim of the system while secretly against it. Yeah, sure. They invented the word gullible for Ronulans.
 
Foolmewunz said:
That just makes Paul the greatest shearer of sheep in Congress. He takes your contributions and lies to you and then gets you to go out and defend his lies in public, making a complete buffoon of yourself.

That's the editorial "you", of course.

I'd find it difficult to believe that if Charlie Rangel was pulling the same thing (he likely is - they all do) and condemning big spending bills and earmarks, then plugging in his own porkbarrel, that we'd have the Ronulans running out to defend him. But St. Ron does it, and he's just a poor victim of the system while secretly against it. Yeah, sure. They invented the word gullible for Ronulans.
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What does this have to do with auditing the Fed? A lot of people are jealous that Ron Paul thought of the idea first.
 
Galileo said:
What does this have to do with auditing the Fed? A lot of people are jealous that Ron Paul thought of the idea first.
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It has nothing to do with auditing the Fed. It has to do with proving that Galileo the magnificent is just a sheeple following AJ and Ron Paul asking them if it's okay if he helps them unpack their luggage. Spear carrier, as it were.

I'm curious, Galileo, how does it feel to be so totally wrong all the time. Everyone here was aware of the point I was making. Ronnie sneaks earmarks into bills that he's sure will pass and then votes against them so that he can book another guest shot on AJ and posture some more. All the while sucking in the donations of the sheeple.

Already said.... ain't nothing wrong with auditing the Fed. Nor with auditing AJs books. Nor with posting all the earmarks that Ron Paul has snuck into legislation that he knew would pass. I'm all for open/clean records.
 
Foolmewunz said:
It has nothing to do with auditing the Fed. It has to do with proving that Galileo the magnificent is just a sheeple following AJ and Ron Paul asking them if it's okay if he helps them unpack their luggage. Spear carrier, as it were.

I'm curious, Galileo, how does it feel to be so totally wrong all the time. Everyone here was aware of the point I was making. Ronnie sneaks earmarks into bills that he's sure will pass and then votes against them so that he can book another guest shot on AJ and posture some more. All the while sucking in the donations of the sheeple.

Already said.... ain't nothing wrong with auditing the Fed. Nor with auditing AJs books. Nor with posting all the earmarks that Ron Paul has snuck into legislation that he knew would pass. I'm all for open/clean records.
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my friend wrote HR 1207. Another friend ghostwrites his books and articles. I am the man behind the curtain, and I will not submit to an audit.

URSHEEPLE!!!

:D
 
I'd say with pretty high certainty that Ron Paul's voting record is directly related to his inconsequentiality in Congress.
 
Galileo said:
Well, if you're right, then Paul is not a nutjob, but rather the smartest guy in congress. All the more reason to back his bill on the Fed, he must be right.

:shocked::duck::flamed::yikes:
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So, you freely admit that Ron Paul uses dishonest tactics to have it both ways: he uses people like you by getting you to send in money because he is so "principled", yet at the same time he keeps bringing home the earmark bacon that folks like you hate so much.

When any other member of Congress behaves this way, you say it is indicative of a corrupt & bloated federal government. Yet when Ron Paul does it, you say he's a genius.

Monuments could be built to honor your cognitive dissonance :rolleyes:
 
MattusMaximus said:
So, you freely admit that Ron Paul uses dishonest tactics to have it both ways: he uses people like you by getting you to send in money because he is so "principled", yet at the same time he keeps bringing home the earmark bacon that folks like you hate so much.

When any other member of Congress behaves this way, you say it is indicative of a corrupt & bloated federal government. Yet when Ron Paul does it, you say he's a genius.

Monuments could be built to honor your cognitive dissonance :rolleyes:
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show me what bacon you are talking about.
 
Galileo said:
show me what bacon you are talking about.
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Mebbe you had a different system of reading back in the 16th century? Here's an extract from Alt+F4's post above. These are from his current year 2009 earmarks.

And I included this section in particular so all the paranoid Alex Jones delusional thinkers (and I use the term "thinker" in its loosest sense) can see Ron Paul siphoning money to the Army Corps of Engineers. The evil gubmint army? The people who are going to be marching on Austin to take AJ into custody any day now? And Ron, Hero of the Little Man, Paul is getting them money so that passage of those UN troops and their FEMA paddy wagons will be easier in his area of Texas.

OMG, they've gotten to Ron Paul, man! !!9!!11!!! We're doomed.

Subcommittee on Energy and Water Development:
• $41.073 million for Army Corps of Engineers to deepen and widen Texas City Channel
• $21.6 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge and reconfigure jetties at mouth of Colorado River
• $7.02 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge Freeport Harbor
• $16.021 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Galveston Harbor
• $1 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Cedar Bayou
• $3.297 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Texas City Channel
• $200,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Cedar Bayou
• $13.038 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Matagorda Ship Channel
• $42.018 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Gulf Intercoastal Waterway
• $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Victoria
• $600,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Sabine Pass to Galveston Bay
• $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Feeport Harbor
• $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Lower Guadalupe River Basin
• $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for preliminary engineering and design study at Freeport Harbor.
• $21.7 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Houston Galveston Navigation Channel
• $2.165 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Trinity River
• $6.979 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Wallisville Lake
• $1.3 million for Army Corps of Engineers to study flooding around Colorado River
• $11 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Wharton and Onion Creek
• $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers for Chocolate Bayou
• $533,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Port Bolivar
• $41.623 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Houston Ship Channel
• $1.01 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Double Bayou
• $3 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Clear Creek
• $500,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Port Palacios
• $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to study sand placement near Brazoria County shoreline

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Foolmewunz said:
Mebbe you had a different system of reading back in the 16th century? Here's an extract from Alt+F4's post above. These are from his current year 2009 earmarks.

And I included this section in particular so all the paranoid Alex Jones delusional thinkers (and I use the term "thinker" in its loosest sense) can see Ron Paul siphoning money to the Army Corps of Engineers. The evil gubmint army? The people who are going to be marching on Austin to take AJ into custody any day now? And Ron, Hero of the Little Man, Paul is getting them money so that passage of those UN troops and their FEMA paddy wagons will be easier in his area of Texas.

OMG, they've gotten to Ron Paul, man! !!9!!11!!! We're doomed.
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Oh my God!!! Ron Paul has taken everything but the bacon and the kitchen sink!! And no beef jerky either!
 
Galileo said:
Oh my God!!! Ron Paul has taken everything but the bacon and the kitchen sink!! And no beef jerky either!
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See? I knew a clone of someone as brilliant as Galileo would come around. Glad to see you on the side of honesty, Big G. So you'll be calling in to AJ to tell him what fools you've all been, then?

I make out over 200 million USD in earmarks in that list alone. The rest of Alt+F4s post includes quite a bit more.


Would it be totally evil to hope that someone could prove that some of the property through which some of this largesse/porkbarrel flows belongs to Ron or to AJ?
 
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