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Rabid Anti Semites Say The Darndest Things!
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My position on the bunnycaust is that I will believe that it happened if somebody can demonstrate it to me that it happened.
In Europe we hold the view that somebody is innocent until proven guilty very unlike jungles like the US (jungle, because the dudalbs, the dtuggs, the parkys and the finewines are in charge) where the rule is: 'listen pall, we're going to throw you in jail for 4 years. However, if you confess being guilty we'll reduce your sentence to 2 years' ('fleabargain'). So here is my request to the local Israel-Lobby here on this forum (dudalb, dtugg, parky, finewine and a few hundred more): demonstrate to me that 6 million people were gassed in WW2 under the Nazis. Wait, I'll make it easy for you: prove that only one person was gassed. Success (you may use a calculator for this exercise). |
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So you've got nothing. Why didn't you just say so? And no, I am not interested in teaching basic history to some bigot who won't listen anyway.
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I have more than in your worst nightmares. But I am not going to take the bait. I'll repeat:
Somebody is innocent until proven guilty. Got that, my kosher friend? You claim that 6 million jews where gassed. Prove it. The burden of proof is on you, not me. And again: let's start with only one Jew, with name and proof that he/she was gassed. Hint: try the 'caust icon nr 1: Anne Frank. |
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The Holocast is a historical fact and has been proven many times over, your heroes, the nazis even admitted it. If you or one of your neo nazi pals wants to say it didn't happen, YOU have to offer proof. And, of course, you have got nothing.
I think that you know it happened. But it is terribly inconvinient to your nazi ideology so you pretend that it didn't. Can't have the jooos being victims can you? |
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maybe you should look into it a bit more
what about the other 5 million they executed that werent jewish? when they shot people in the streets, death marches, etc this stuff is well documented id say that you need to prove that a single jew (or political prisoner, gypsy, etc) wasnt killed and how it was fabricated - in your opinion |
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"I joined this forum to learn about the people who think that 9/11 was an inside job. I've learned that they believe nutty things and are not very good at explaining them." - FineWine "The agencies involved with studying the WTC collapse no more needed to consider explosives than the police need to consider brain cancer in a shooting death." - ElMondoHummus |
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Hoess 'confessed' after severe torture but was smart enough to come up with a bogus confession about a non-existing camp (Wolzek). Fortunately Anglos are not very good at geography, so they swallowed it.
But the real trustworthy witnesses, the Red Cross, never noticed anything special about Auschwitz. Quite interesting that the Germans let the Red Cross in the camps, something your buddies, the Soviets, refused in their Gulags. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2735
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As I said, I am not interested in teaching basic history to neo nazis who will ignore everything inconvinient to their evil ideologoy. But it is very clear that you've got nothing. Thanks for making that clear.
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The procedure followed around Katyn Forest, when the Germans invited international experts to see with their own eyes that thousands of Polish officiers had been killed by your precious buddies, the Bolsheviks.
If you can show me reports of autopsies of gassed persons carried out by independent witnesses (red cross, Swedes, Swiss) than it would be a different matter. Again, I do not say it did not happen. I do say I would like to see convincing evidence. You are convinced it happened. You show me. |
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"What would you accept as proof?" is the question that Michael Shermer asks deniers in his book, and it is a good one. The point is that holocaust deniers will never accept any proof...in their mind it's never good enough, which helps explain the bizarre chant "No holes, no Holocaust!" Their beliefs are non-falsifiable.
It reminds me of that Dave Chappelle sketch where he is a potential juror for the R. Kelly sex trial. He refuses to accept any evidence that R. Kelly was in the video, saying that it may have been some kind of video manipulation. The lawyer asks him what kind of evidence would convince him of R. Kelly's guilt, and he gives an array of unreasonable conditions (ie, R. Kelly's mom and a police officer must also be in the video explicitly stating that the person is, in fact, R. Kelly). |
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How do you know? Give it a try!
Or rather, you have to in order to avoid defeat. Convincing me is one thing. But convincing innocent bystanders is a different matter altogether. These people might start to think that you have no proof whatsoever (and that is indeed the case). dtugg is going to resent his enormous stupidity of starting this thread in the first place. It's a no-winner. He can only lose. I have been in these kind of threads before in Holland so I know most arguments. And every single post that this thread lives on I'll be able to post links to material that undermines your American self-righteous delusions. Wait, I might be tempted to write a new blog: howtheholocaustwasdone.blogspot.com |
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My great-Aunt, Leah Zimmerman, lost her first husband and 2 children at Birkenau. I don't know if they were gassed or starved to death..but they didn't make it out.
Around 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust and another possible 6 million Gentiles (including Germans) were also killed. To deny this is to deny a horrible crime. 9/11 Investigator- there are around 6 million missing Jews. Where do you think they went? there were around 18 million Jews on Earth b4 WW2. The world Jewish population has NEVER recovered to that number. Wo sind der Juden??? |
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Mr/Ms 9/11 Investigator: if you are so inclined here is one place to start.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/aus...and-operation/ |
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I am very sorry to hear that Parky, but that's the issue we are debatting here: how they got killed and how many. Here is a summary of all registered deaths as documented by the Germans themselves and maintained by the ICRC:
http://incogman.files.wordpress.com/...-arolsen-1.jpg And this is exactly what this english bishop Williamson was talking about: some 200.000 people killed in all German concentration camps, probably some half of them Jews. And that's a lot of people. But most people (according to the revisionists) died because of typhus.
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Of course you are not interested in taking the bait because you have nothing to stand on. Only repeating the old lies that are going to be demolished thanks to the internet.
Heh, you can even buy revisionist books on Amazon! Don't you understand that it is game over? http://www.amazon.com/Debating-Holoc.../dp/1591480051 Yawn, it is late and I'm not expecting any interesting arguments any more. |
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It has been established that the Nazi death machine was nothing if not efficient. Prisoners were worked to death (those too sick or weak to work were culled early on), gassed, and their bodies were burned. The perpetrators were not eager to leave behind documentation or physical evidence. Anecdotal evidence, of course, gets hand-waved away by your side, but the experience of one of my best friends, now deceased, is relevant. Her name was Mia Immerman. She was an accomplished painter, and a prominent figure in Holocaust-remembrance groups. Her story is typical. She, a nine-year-old girl, and her parents were on a train in Belgium, attempting to reach France, and from there, England. The SS removed her parents from the train--they were never heard from again--but she managed to hide. Through the help of strangers, she found the home of relatives in Holland. They, too, were rounded up and removed to the camps. She, miraculously, reached England, and years later, America. All of Mia's aunts and uncles, her grandparents, the parents of her childhood friends, the friends themselves--everybody in the closely-knit Jewish community she grew up in--died in the camps. Perhaps she was lying? |
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The Death Machine was one of the few efficient things in Nazi Germany.
Historians have established that one of the reasons Nazi Germany lost the war was that their economic system and war industry was very badly managed...a constant welter of bureacratic infighitng and empire building that badly and probably fatally hurt war production. The idea the Nazi Economic System was wonderfully efficient is a myth . But, yeah, when it came to pure slaughter Himmler did manage to devise a very good system. |
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Actually, they did keep pretty good records, as I understand it. One example (from Cracked.com, of all places):
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wrong...wrong...wrong.
about 300,000 Jews remained in Germany by the time the ability to leave was ended. before ww2, poland had around 3 million jews. after ww2, only around 300,000 remained. only 3,000 remained in Germany. where did the missing 2.7 million Polish Jews go? they didnt go to Israel..and they didnt go to the USA. only 300,000 Polish Jews came to Israel. less went to the USA. Ukraine is also missing about one million Jews. again, they did not go to the USA or Israel. the only nation in Europe has had a net gain of Jews, after WW2, was Bulgaria, and that was by only 35,000. every other nation lost Jews..and many lost a whooooole lot. that is, unless, you believe Israel is completely LYING about their population and immigration records. thats one huge Zionist hoax!!!!! Israel really has 9 million Jews!! I wish. |
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