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Old 7th April 2011, 05:14 AM   #5481
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Originally Posted by Kevin.Silbstedt View Post
So everything you haven't seen, you don't believe in? Have you seen what was going on in these camps? Have you seen, that the jews just had a fun time with their friends of the SS without any gas chambers in existence? No? Hmm, odd how you need absolutly nothing to be convinced of that there was no holocaust, but on the other hand expect to find an existing gas chamber today. Kind of hard, since you nazi friends destroyed most of them before the liberation of the camps. But that is clearly the fault of historians.

But hey, there actually is a gas chamber you still can visit:
Dachau

It was just for experimenting with gasses on prisoners, not for mass extermination, and no one knows for sure, if it worked, but it was a gas chamber.



You don't know anthing about the holocaust, do you?

First of, as I mentioned, there is Dachau, than there is a gas chamber in Mauthausen, but it was modified before the liberation, same goes for the gas chamber at Natzweiler-Struthof, and then there is Stutthof. There are others too, but since you will just ignore this all, I don't want to waste even more time with you.

And there are 3 (!) gas chambers at Majdanek left today. You might wanna explain why anyone would store Carbon Monoxide in big bottles. Or why a supposed delousing chamber would need a column to throw Zyklon B pellets in it.



Nonsense! Pressac started his research as a holocaust denier and no one kept him from reading the documents. You just never even tried to do real research, you are just going on and on with you idiotic mockery of every claim for the holocaust there is without presenting any kind of real evidence.
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Old 7th April 2011, 09:22 AM   #5482
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Originally Posted by Kevin.Silbstedt View Post
But hey, there actually is a gas chamber you still can visit:
Dachau
Ah yes, the gas chamber at Dachau. Quite effective too, you can read the 7th (I think) Army's report after entering the camp where they document the gassing of thousands of prisoners. It's online but I'm not going to bother googling it up. Then there is the movie Memory of the Camps which can also be seen online, on the Frontline web site, where they show how the gas was piped into the shower room through the shower pipes, the movie was made by the Brits and directed by Hitchcock if I'm not mistaken, and no, I'm not kidding.

Sad to say, all that was shown to be a farce somewhere in the last 50 years, and all they have now is a shower room and a sign saying, "Gas chamber, no evidence it was ever used." A complete farce.
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Old 7th April 2011, 10:16 AM   #5483
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Ah yes, the gas chamber at Dachau.
The five gas chambers at Dachau.

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Quite effective too, you can read the 7th (I think) Army's report after entering the camp where they document the gassing of thousands of prisoners. It's online but I'm not going to bother googling it up.
I've read it. There are two problems with what you're saying here: (1) You suppose that a report written a few months (weeks?) after the liberation of the camp is going to be wholly accurate; and (2) You're incorrect in stating that it claims that thousands were gassed. In fact, it gives no figures beyond the capacity for each gas chamber.

When are we going to begin discussing the Colossus of Rhodes?

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Then there is the movie Memory of the Camps which can also be seen online, on the Frontline web site, where they show how the gas was piped into the shower room through the shower pipes
Actually they can go here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/camp/view/

Dachau is covered in Part 3. The bit on the gas chambers starts around 38:00. They suggest that the gas goes in that way; they don't ever actually say that. It is required that you assume the rest. And you know what happens when you assume...

Anyway, again, would you expect that knowledge so soon after the events would be accurate?

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the movie was made by the Brits and directed by Hitchcock if I'm not mistaken, and no, I'm not kidding.
Perhaps you are not kidding, but you are mistaken:

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Sidney Bernstein, the film's director, persuaded his friend Alfred Hitchcock to leave Hollywood and come to England to collaborate for several weeks in the making of the film. Hitchcock arrived in late June, after the Belsen material (the first three reels of the film) had been assembled. He left in late July, two months before work on the film appears to have stopped. According to Bernstein, Hitchcock would not take a fee for his work.

Hitchcock is credited as "treatment advisor." He acted as a consultant in organizing the footage, along with writers Colin Wills and Richard Crossman (both of the London News Chronicle) and editors Peter Tanner and Stewart MacAllister.

In an interview before he died, Lord Sidney Bernstein explained that Hitchcock's contribution was to help shape the way the material was presented. "He took a circle round each concentration camp as it were on a map, different villages, different places and the numbers of people -- so they must have known about it...Otherwise you could show a concentration camp, as you see them now, and it could be anywhere, miles away from humanity. He brought that into the film."

Another known contribution was Hitchcock's including the wide establishing shots which support the documentary feel of the film and showed that the events seen could not have been staged. According to Peter Tanner, one of the film's editors, Hitchcock's concern was that "we should try to prevent people thinking that any of this was faked...so Hitch was very careful to try to get material which could not possibly be seen to be faked in any way."
Not the director, that is to say.

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Sad to say, all that was shown to be a farce somewhere in the last 50 years, and all they have now is a shower room and a sign saying, "Gas chamber, no evidence it was ever used." A complete farce.
No, they have quite a bit more than that. For one thing, shall we discuss Dr. Sigmund Rascher's letter to Himmler of 9 August, 1942?

Well, shall we?
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Old 7th April 2011, 10:20 AM   #5484
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I have been in Dachau, the gas chamber have small hatches in the wall for gas canisters.
It was apparently used mostly for training purposes. Sensible enough, as the oldest camp it functioned as training centre for guards, and housed slave labour for use around Munich.

I am not taking your word for the use of shower piping for gas, it was delivered in canisters. Piping would make more sense for exhaust gas.
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Old 7th April 2011, 11:40 AM   #5485
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Originally Posted by Saggy
Ah yes, the gas chamber at Dachau. Quite effective too, you can read the 7th (I think) Army's report after entering the camp where they document the gassing of thousands of prisoners. It's online but I'm not going to bother googling it up. Then there is the movie Memory of the Camps which can also be seen online, on the Frontline web site, where they show how the gas was piped into the shower room through the shower pipes,
Like my other zionist des-info collegue Wroclaw already said: What the hell do you expect? There was no way for the soldiers to know, how these installations worked by just looking at them.

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Then we went into a room with a table with flowers on it and some soap and towels. Another door with the word showers lead off of this and upon going through this room it appeared to be a shower room but instead of water, gas came out and in two minutes the people were dead
Hmm, either he lies in his letter to his "folks" or he just made a mistake.

And how the **** do you conclude from these mistakes to that there was no gas chamber at all? And yeah, that's a rhetorical question.

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the movie was made by the Brits and directed by Hitchcock if I'm not mistaken, and no, I'm not kidding.
What has that to do with the existence of this gas chamber?

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Sad to say, all that was shown to be a farce somewhere in the last 50 years, and all they have now is a shower room and a sign saying, "Gas chamber, no evidence it was ever used." A complete farce.
It's a shower room with chutes, that lead to the outside to introduce Zyklon B pellets, I believe their was also the possiblity to use a dispenser, but here I'm not sure (Ok, the dispenser seems to be part of a delousing chamber), exhaust vents and a freaking heavy steel door. There is no way of not interpreting this as a gas chamber. So you wanted one, you got one.

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Old 7th April 2011, 11:56 AM   #5486
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Like my other zionist des-info collegue Wroclaw already said: What the hell do you expect? There was no way for the soldiers to know, how these installations worked by just looking at them.



Hmm, either he lies in his letter to his "folks" or he just made a mistake.

And how the **** do you conclude from these mistakes to that there was no gas chamber at all? And yeah, that's a rhetorical question.



What has that to do with the existence of this gas chamber?



It's a shower room with chutes, that lead to the outside to introduce Zyklon B pellets, I believe their was also the possiblity to use a dispenser, but here I'm not sure (Ok, the dispenser seems to be part of a delousing chamber), exhaust vents and a freaking heavy steel door. There is no way of not interpreting this as a gas chamber. So you wanted one, you got one.
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Not to mention the shower heads that aren't and weren't connected to anything...

Which reminds me: what happened to those pics you said you had showing that they were, Saggs?

Or was that another of your degenerate lies?
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Old 7th April 2011, 01:09 PM   #5487
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Originally Posted by Kevin.Silbstedt View Post
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It's a shower room with chutes, that lead to the outside
A chute? To the outside? NO NO NOT THAT.

You mean ..... like this one ......

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eliezer...n/photostream/


NO, IT CAN'T BE !!!!!

There are, in the world, probably 10,000,000 chutes to the outside. Exactly zero (0) of them are for introducing Zyklon-B. It is simply idiotic.
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Old 7th April 2011, 01:26 PM   #5488
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Try type these coordinates into Google Earth, zoom in and look at the photo on the left.

4816'18.01"N
1127'53.52"E



ETA: the gas chamber/crematorium at Dachau with a picture of chutes.
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Old 7th April 2011, 01:49 PM   #5489
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A chute? To the outside? NO NO NOT THAT.

You mean ..... like this one ......

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eliezer...n/photostream/


NO, IT CAN'T BE !!!!!

There are, in the world, probably 10,000,000 chutes to the outside. Exactly zero (0) of them are for introducing Zyklon-B. It is simply idiotic.
Nice how you ignore the bigger picture by selecting ONE piece of evidence and ignoring the rest. But that's nothing new from the denier front.

And such chutes were used in nearly all nazi extermination gas chambers that worked with Zyklon B. Sometimes they went through the walls, sometimes through the ceiling. So tell us, what could be their purpose here?

Again: Which kind of room needs suchs chutes AND exhaust vents AND such a steel door AND shower heads, which seem to have no water pipeline.

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Old 7th April 2011, 02:15 PM   #5490
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A chute? To the outside? NO NO NOT THAT.

You mean ..... like this one ......

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eliezer...n/photostream/


NO, IT CAN'T BE !!!!!

There are, in the world, probably 10,000,000 chutes to the outside. Exactly zero (0) of them are for introducing Zyklon-B. It is simply idiotic.
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No, more like this.





Do you see a difference? (free hint we big kids call them hinges -- what side are they on?)






And just how many of your coal chutes open directly into "shower rooms" which have non-connected shower heads and a gas-tight door?







What's that?











Exactly *none*?











Keep running from not having the pics you claimed, degenerate liar....
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Just one more word on the hoax non-homicidal gas chamber at Dachau. When the troops entered the camps they generated reports, based to some extend on the testimony of the coached and lying prisoners, but primarily on the script from the World Jewish Congress that they had been trying to sell for the last several years to the US public, that thousands of Jews had been gassed at Dachau.

They portrayed the shower in the crematorium as a homicidal gas chamber and made a film, referenced earlier, depicting how it worked. This was a documentary ! Directed by Hitchcock.

So, the film says the gas was piped in. But at some point they must have realized that that was absurd. Water pipes can't be used for gas. So, they looked for another method. They chose the shower drain in the bottom of the floor, and claimed that the gas was pumped in through the drain in the floor ! This appeared in official documents, it was documented and proved. Then they realized that too was absurd, and decided that chutes that were in the wall, just like the millions of coal chutes all over Germany, were used to dump in Zyklon pellets. Zyklon is the insecticide that was used to kill lice in the camps to prevent typhus. The Zionists claimed that the Nazis used a scented slow release insecticide, that was actually to save camp personnell, to kill Jews by dumping it in through a coal chute.

Then at some point they had to admit that that was all lies, and there was no evidence that anyone had ever been gassed in the shower room, and that's now what you can read at the USHMM.

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Old 7th April 2011, 02:24 PM   #5492
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funny how the folks who most strongly deny the Holocaust are the ones who would most enthusiastically support the genocide of the Jewish people.
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Old 7th April 2011, 02:40 PM   #5493
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< snip more bald assertion and lies from the degenerate liar >
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Degenerate liar: where are those pics you claimed to have showing that the fake shower heads were actually connected to water plumbing?

How many coal chutes can you find which open into "shower rooms" with gas-tight doors?

Which *specific* "official" documents document the use of the shower drain in this manner -- and *what* pipes are you lying about: THERE ARE NONE.

What was the name of this documentary directed by Hitchcock?

And I suggest you read (here I am, going to use Saggy's most feared word) the book "The Venlo Incident" by Captain S. Payne Best, paying especial attention to his conversation with Sigmund Rascher, who is paraphrased as saying, in reference to Dachau "they had never quite succeeded in solving the problem caused by the varying resistance of different people to the effects of poison gases, and always there had been a few who lived longer than others and recognized where they were and what was happening...the main difficulty was that the numbers to be killed were so great that it was impossible to prevent the gas chambers being overfilled, which greatly impeded any attempts to ensure a regular and simultaneous death-rate."




Saggs is apparently pretending to not read my posts, would someone re-post and maybe we an start an "XX Questions" for Saggs as well.
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Old 7th April 2011, 03:00 PM   #5494
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God this guy is annoying. Not only is he ignoring every point that was made to prove the function of this gas chamber, he still keeps talking this load of *********** crap, which has 0 evidence in it.

Originally Posted by saggy
When the troops entered the camps they generated reports, based to some extend on the testimony of the coached and lying prisoners
They weren't lying. It's kind of hard to witness the process of the gassing, without being a victim.

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Then at some point they had to admit that that was all lies
Nobody admitted any lies. And that the gas chamber was supposed to be used for experiments and not for mass extermination is showed by Rascher himself and his letter to Himmler was mentioned here a few times which you still ignore.

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and there was no evidence that anyone had ever been gassed in the shower room,
Which is wrong, no one ever said that. I only said, that nobody is sure. I only know one eyewitness account (Frantisek Blaha), which is just not enough to be sure. But this account is still evidence.

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"they had never quite succeeded in solving the problem caused by the varying resistance of different people to the effects of poison gases, and always there had been a few who lived longer than others and recognized where they were and what was happening...the main difficulty was that the numbers to be killed were so great that it was impossible to prevent the gas chambers being overfilled, which greatly impeded any attempts to ensure a regular and simultaneous death-rate."
Thx, this one is new to me. It seems to be even possible, that this chamber was used for pure extermination purposes after all. Maybe they went from experimenting with gas, to just killing with gas.

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Hating Jews has a very deleterious effect on the brain.
Hating Germans has a very deleterious effect on the brain.
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Hating Germans has a very deleterious effect on the brain.
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Hate, period, is often deleterious


But can you point to anyone here who hates Germans as a group beause they are German?
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I only know one eyewitness account (Frantisek Blaha), which is just not enough to be sure. But this account is still evidence.
Only one? My my. And you're still not sure? LOL. There are thousand of eyewitness accounts for alien landings, so I suppose we can really take that one to the bank. Your posts are unmitigated idiocy.

The 'eyewitness testimony' is utter garbage, degenerate lies which the likes of which have never before been seen. The difference is that this time they are enforced by the state, by the media, by academia, and when all else fails an swarm of idiots who will regurgitate any lie, however preposterous, in the Zionist cause.
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Saggy- would you oppose a plan by the United States to deport all American Jews to an unknown location in the Nevada desert?
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This was a documentary ! Directed by Hitchcock.

So, the film says the gas was piped in.
The two statements above, both of which I disproved yesterday, are proof that you have no interest in dialogue. Might as well put you on ignore.
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Saggy- would you oppose a plan by the United States to deport all American Jews to an unknown location in the Nevada desert?
Is the Pope Catholic?
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Is the Pope Catholic?
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No, according to Saggs,, he sh*ts in the woods. It's in a documentary that Hitchcock directed.
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Minor nitpick. Saggy, you made this statement,
"So, the film says the gas was piped in. But at some point they must have realized that that was absurd. Water pipes can't be used for gas."
Please explain how you come to this conclusion.
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Originally Posted by Dogzilla
Hating Germans has a very deleterious effect on the brain.
Too bad nobody here is arguing for the holocaust out of pure hatred. That's more than I can say for you guys.

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Only one? My my. And you're still not sure? LOL. There are thousand of eyewitness accounts for alien landings, so I suppose we can really take that one to the bank. Your posts are unmitigated idiocy.
God, not this **** again...

Historians look for a convergence of evidence, we have physical evidence here (the gas chamber) and a letter from Rascher to Himmler about the chamber. So tell me, how many documents of aliens and how many alien ships do you got as evidence.

But hey, what piece of evidence do you have for your nonsense story? Oh right, absolutly *********** nothing. You laughing about eyewitness accounts (which by the way are a legitimate form of evidence in history) without having anthing. Kind of ironic isn't it? You're just a sad pathetic moron.

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The 'eyewitness testimony' is utter garbage, degenerate lies which the likes of which have never before been seen.
Too bad nobody used eyewitness testimony for the dachau gas chamber. It is still there, its equipment still just makes sense if it was a gas chamber. And there is still this letter of Rascher you ignored. And you haven't presented a single piece of evidence against it.

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Minor nitpick. Saggy, you made this statement,
"So, the film says the gas was piped in. But at some point they must have realized that that was absurd. Water pipes can't be used for gas."
Please explain how you come to this conclusion.
They can y'know. He probably read that in his Holocaust Denier's Handbook. It has big print,not too many big words and lots of pictures.

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Hating Jews has a very deleterious effect on the brain.
It wasn't him,it was me.
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Minor nitpick. Saggy, you made this statement,
"So, the film says the gas was piped in. But at some point they must have realized that that was absurd. Water pipes can't be used for gas."
Please explain how you come to this conclusion.
Saggy never met a plumber? The gas I use in my house (and every house I've lived in that had natural gas) comes in through a metal pipe indistinguishable from a water pipe.
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Saggy never met a plumber? The gas I use in my house (and every house I've lived in that had natural gas) comes in through a metal pipe indistinguishable from a water pipe.
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Lalalalala I can't hear you, degenerate liar...

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Originally Posted by Walter Ego View Post
Saggy never met a plumber? The gas I use in my house (and every house I've lived in that had natural gas) comes in through a metal pipe indistinguishable from a water pipe.
I have run both water and compressed air lines at work, it is the exactly the same pipe used. The pipe treads are sealed/packed with the same pipe grease and fairy hair.
The only differences are the fittings for the outlets, and that small leaks in the treads will seal them self if the pipe carries water.

Maybe Saggy's delusion comes from my statement that chutes seems more convenient than piping when your gas is delivered in canisters?
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Old 8th April 2011, 09:06 AM   #5509
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Originally Posted by Wroclaw View Post
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/camp/view/

Dachau is covered in Part 3. The bit on the gas chambers starts around 38:00. They suggest that the gas goes in that way; they don't ever actually say that. It is required that you assume the rest. And you know what happens when you assume...

Anyway, again, would you expect that knowledge so soon after the events would be accurate?
Here's the brief section from the "Hitchcock" documentary about the gas chambers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh9BY...ailpage#t=275s

This obviously a bit of dramatic recreation.
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Lalalalala I can't hear you, degenerate liar...

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A denier calling somebody else degenerate,that is rich.
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