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Old 17th July 2009, 01:45 PM   #161
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The gas chambers. They really existed. Here is one:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachau...anekStains.jpg

You can easily discern the stains of prussian blue (HCN or Zyklon-B) on the wall.

Holocaust proven? Not so fast.

These gas chambers were used to kill lice in the clothes of the camp inmates. Not only the Germans but also the Japanese and Americans used these kind of facilities. They were intended to save lives.

Comes Fred Leuchter. He was the number one American gas chamber expert. He had constructed gas chambers for the American government as a way to execute criminals. He was the one who travelled to auschwitz to take some samples from the walls that suposedly had been gas chamers to kill humans.

Result: no traces of cyanide whatsoever.

http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html

It was the Leuchter report that changed the opinion of British world renowned WW2 historian David Irving about the holocaust. It cost him dearly. Recently he was sentenced for 3 years in a Austrian dungeon. He was released after less than a year. Here is one of the last true heroes of the West in an appearance for Norwegian television: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkizDpl7x_E

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Old 17th July 2009, 01:52 PM   #162
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I have walked through the "locker room", gas chamber, and crematorium in Dachau.
To 9/11-investigator the building must be a later construction or what?
I was both in Dachau and Auschwitz.

But you must have been sleeping then during your visit of Dachau. Not even the Simon Wiesenthal center now claims that even one person was ever gassed in Dachau.

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It was a bit unreal, I got a better understanding standing on the appelplads / roll call square, in a nice leather jacket with a sweater under, in january, and freezing my butt off, while the guide explained the roll call procedure* and described prisoners uniforms**.
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**Not leather jackets or sweaters
You might as well have stayed away because you were misinformed.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p485_Cobden.html

Some 15.000 was the death talley of Dachau, caused my malnutricion and other consequences of the war. Not by gas or bullets or anything like it.

Heck, even nizkor admits that the Dachau gas chamber was a delousing chamber.

BTW: nizkor is a one-man operation by the retired marine Kenneth McVay, not some historic institute like the IHR with real historians on the payroll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_McVay

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Old 17th July 2009, 01:55 PM   #163
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Result: no traces of cyanide whatsoever.
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So it does not bother you that he arranged for the wrong test to be done by the Canadian chemist he sent the samples too.

Then again you are probably not aware of the correct test to use or what the results of those were

Oh still waiting for your reply about the 19000 pieces of evidence presented at Nuremberg or the 42 volumes of testimony
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Old 17th July 2009, 01:57 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator View Post
These gas chambers were used to kill lice in the clothes of the camp inmates. Not only the Germans but also the Japanese and Americans used these kind of facilities. They were intended to save lives.
The Fuhrer was sweet! The Fuhrer was kind, mein herr!

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Old 17th July 2009, 02:03 PM   #165
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Dachau were among other things the centre of the camp system, it was where guards were trained.
The gaschamber there were mostly for training purposes, live training.
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So Eichmann speaking of "Jewish extermination" isn't some sort of admission? How about the Aushwitz SS guard who admits to being there and participating in gassing's and burials? He in on it, too?

Look, 9/11, we get it. You hate the Jews, believe that there is a vast Zionist conspiracy and NEED to forward the false notion that the Holocaust never happened to justify your own hatred. So, you know, just come off it and SAY it. Come on, you can do it. Say, "I hate those lying, filthy kikes and everything they stand for." No? You'll just keep peddling lies then, won't you?

Easier to invent (or buy into) some crackpot, unsupported conspiracy that would involve the clever fabrication of millions of pieces of carefully crafted evidence, paying off thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands; maybe even millions) of soldiers, officials, witnesses, etc. to further the conspiracy (never you mind that they'd have to keep the charade up until they die) and to make claims of Jewish NWO piffle than to just examine, objectively, the real evidence and come to the only logical conclusion.

Holocaust Deniers = Captains Crazy, Royal Order of Douchebags, First Class
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Old 17th July 2009, 02:11 PM   #167
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Why are you even arguing with him? He hates Jews, that's that. There's nothing you can say that will convince him. He takes the Institute for Historical Review and Fred Leucher seriously, for God's sake.
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My position on the bunnycaust is that I will believe that it happened if somebody can demonstrate it to me that it happened.
Well, for starters, my father grew up in a neighborhood of post-war immigrants to Israel from Europe. As a kid, he one day realized that it is very weird how -- unlike the other neighborhood nearby -- virtually NONE of the kids in the neighborhood had any grandparents or aunts or uncles, or, most horrible of all, older siblings above a certain age.

Why were they, born in the late 40s or early 50s, always the oldest, often the only, children in their family? Kids in OTHER neighborhoods, that came from the levant, had older brothers and sisters! What's going on here? Where have all their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and grandparents gone?

Got an explanation, "9/11 investigator"?

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Dachau were among other things the centre of the camp system, it was where guards were trained.
The gaschamber there were mostly for training purposes, live training.
OK, so you now backtrack on your Dachau/gas chamber myth and now you are trying to sell the idea that these delousing chambers were really 'training grounds' for these evil Nazi's.

Makes me wonder on what exactly they were training upon.

Lice?
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Why are you even arguing with him? He hates Jews, that's that. There's nothing you can say that will convince him. He takes the Institute for Historical Review and Fred Leucher seriously, for God's sake.
No I don't. I like Parky (he doesn't like me though). Although I do admit I'm not too fond on dtugg, dudalb and FineWine.

But why should I not take serious the number one expert on gas chambers, Fred Leuchter? Because he came up with findings you don't like? That's not enough reason.

But oldhat has a point. Poor dtugg played wonderful into my hands offering space for my views. He is rather silent lately. The same dtugg who opened this thread saying ' This should be good.'.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=146233&page=7

Still waiting for your irrefutable proof, dtugg. It's probably going to be a long wait. In the mean time I'm more than happy to provide some interesting information for the whole world to see.

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Well, for starters, my father grew up in a neighborhood of post-war immigrants to Israel from Europe. As a kid, he one day realized that it is very weird how -- unlike the other neighborhood nearby -- virtually NONE of the kids in the neighborhood had any grandparents or aunts or uncles, or, most horrible of all, older siblings above a certain age.
So you are suggesting that the Nazi's killed all the people who could have been of use for labor (grandparent and parents) but they let the children live? That's very strange indeed. Because according to the official myth there was a Selektion an der Rampe where able bodied people were separated from the weak, old and children who supposedly were immediatly gassed because they were useless for the war effort.

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Why were they, born in the late 40s or early 50s, always the oldest, often the only, children in their family? Kids in OTHER neighborhoods, that came from the levant, had older brothers and sisters! What's going on here? Where have all their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and grandparents gone?

Got an explanation, "9/11 investigator"?
Yes. According to the revisionists 1 million Jews were killed. That's still a lot and enough to have an impact on situations as you describe. There were millions of German households without a father. All as a result of the war.

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Old 17th July 2009, 02:28 PM   #172
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That Donahue video is horrible, HH. It's horrible because Cole was arguing like a twelve year old, interrupting when he disagreed but smiling smugly (or interrupting the conversation with glee) when he agreed. The guy doing the voice-overs made such ridiculous statements (the comments about crematoriums was the most ridiculous) that are easily and demonstrably false. Smith and Cole both engaged in almost complete diversionary arguments, away from the evidence (arguing from the gaps) instead of arguing actual evidence.

Really, dude, you need to re-think your application of critical thinking.
If you replace Cole and Smith with Donahue and Shermer in your assessment, I would agree 100%.

Shermer was the one trying to divert the conversations and Donahue was just interjecting hyperbole.

Can you demonstrate what they said about the crematoriums to be false then?
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Old 17th July 2009, 02:28 PM   #173
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No I don't. I like Parky (he doesn't like me though).

But why should I not take serious the number one expert on gas chambers, Fred Leuchter? Because he came up with findings you don't like? That's not enough reason.
LOL. Did you see the Errol Morris film about him or was Errol Morris just another dirty Jew out to smear him? Did you see the part with him using his uber-scientific methodology to get his "samples" from the gas chambers? It was a farce.

Fred Leuchter is a self-taught crackpot with no training, no education and no licensure. The reason why no one anywhere takes Holocaust denialism seriously is because the only "experts" your pathetic little band of pseudo-scientists and racists can muster are patently mentally unstable monsters like Fred Leuchter.
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Comes Fred Leuchter. He was the number one American gas chamber expert. He had constructed gas chambers for the American government as a way to execute criminals. He was the one who travelled to auschwitz to take some samples from the walls that suposedly had been gas chamers to kill humans.

Result: no traces of cyanide whatsoever.

It was the Leuchter report that changed the opinion of British world renowned WW2 historian David Irving about the holocaust. It cost him dearly. Recently he was sentenced for 3 years in a Austrian dungeon. He was released after less than a year. Here is one of the last true heroes of the West in an apearance for Norwegian: televisionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkizDpl7x_E
You lose your last trace of credibility bringing up Leuchter.

Leuchter cut large chunks of rock out of the wall, and then sent this on to be tested for cyanide on the walls. The only problem was that the chemist he gave these chunks to was asked to look for cyanide within the rocks. Thus, the chemist broke them down. Cyanide does not penetrate rock, it barely penetrates further than to a hair's width.

The chemist himself said the test done was not the correct one to have been done.
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You lose your last trace of credibility bringing up Leuchter.
Rest assured, 9/11-investigator promises he's the "world's #1 gas chamber expert," even though he invented an electric chair and has no training or education in engineering and had nothing to do with gas chambers during his career.
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LOL. Did you see the Errol Morris film about him or was Errol Morris just another dirty Jew out to smear him? Did you see the part with him using his uber-scientific methodology to get his "samples" from the gas chambers? It was a farce.
No I'm sorry, I didn't see it. And yes he is Jewish, so I am not surprised he doesn't like Leuchter because he 'lost relatives in the holocaust' (communist 1/4 cousin in Lithuania?):

http://www.errolmorris.com/content/r...applebome.html

"I don't think this movie suggests in any way that Fred's ideas are sympathetic, because obviously I don't," said Mr. Morris, who is Jewish and who lost relatives in the Holocaust.

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Fred Leuchter is a self-taught crackpot with no training, no education and no licensure. The reason why no one anywhere takes Holocaust denialism seriously is because the only "experts" your pathetic little band of pseudo-scientists and racists can muster are patently mentally unstable monsters like Fred Leuchter.
Who cares? He nevertheless designed succesfully real gas chambers that were actually used.

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Who cares? He nevertheless designed succesfully real gas chambers that were actyually used.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you son?
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Rest assured, 9/11-investigator promises he's the "world's #1 gas chamber expert," even though he invented an electric chair and has no training or education in engineering and had nothing to do with gas chambers during his career.
Are you sure about his having nothing to do with gas chambers during his career?

http://www.codoh.com/author/portraits/port2leu.html

He specialized in the design and manufacture of execution equipment including electrocution systems, lethal injection equipment, gallows, and gas chamber hardware. The year 1988 would forever change the life of Fred Leuchter.

Here he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7Y7pAMtFk

I do admit he is a bit of a creep, but what do you expect from somebody who makes a career of executing people.

And who cares about his formal education?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter

Leuchter holds patents for a geodetic instrument and an electronic sextant.

It's obvious he is an accomplished technician.

But he: scratching cement from a supposedly human gas chamber and doing the same for a delousing chamber and then analyzing and comparing the result is not really rocket science. Not much can go wrong here.

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Leuchter holds patents for a geodetic instrument and an electronic sextant.

It's obvious he is an accomplished technician.
LOL, a nutter without a degree who is not a licensed engineer anywhere has a patent on an electronic sextant, which means he's the world's #1 gas chamber expert.

Team Holocaust Denialism is really breaking out the big guns, aren't they?
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AFAIK (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Dutch authorities eagerly **************** during the German occupation and efficiently assisted in the extermination of Dutch (and German) jews.
Maybe if it wasn't all that bad Dutch collaboration wasn't all that bad either

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You lose your last trace of credibility bringing up Leuchter.

Leuchter cut large chunks of rock out of the wall, and then sent this on to be tested for cyanide on the walls. The only problem was that the chemist he gave these chunks to was asked to look for cyanide within the rocks. Thus, the chemist broke them down. Cyanide does not penetrate rock, it barely penetrates further than to a hair's width.

The chemist himself said the test done was not the correct one to have been done.
Another statement without a link to back up the claims. Sucked it out of your thumb?

Unfortunately for you these experiments were repeated by an accomplished chemist Germar Rudolf with the same results. Rudolf was released earlier this week from prison after a three year sentence for 'holocaust denial'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germar_Rudolf

After finishing secondary education in 1983 in Remscheid, Rudolf studied chemistry in Bonn, completing his studies in 1989. As a student, he joined A.V. Tuisconia Königsberg zu Bonn and K.D.St. V. Nordgau Prag zu Stuttgart. Both are Catholic fraternities belonging to the Cartellverband der katholischen deutschen Studentenverbindungen. He was a temporary supporter of the CSU/CDU, but parted ways and became a temporary member of Die Republikaner (REP) due to their more restrictive immigration policy.

Finishing Ph.D. postgraduate studies after his military service, he was temporarily employed at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in Stuttgart, beginning in October 1990. During this time he wrote a paper, titled "Report on the formation and verifiability of cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers" on behalf of the Düsseldorf attorney Hajo Herrmann, a former Luftwaffe pilot holding the rank of Oberst. In 1993, Rudolf was expelled from the Max Planck Institute for his unauthorised use of the institute's name to get samples analysed that were taken from the gas chamber sites at Auschwitz and Birkenau.

Here is his 'Lectures on the Holocaust', one of the best books about holocaust revisionism.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/loth/

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AFAIK (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Dutch authorities eagerly **************** during the German occupation and efficiently assisted in the extermination of Dutch (and German) jews.
Maybe if it wasn't all that bad Dutch collaboration wasn't all that bad either
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Some of them were (you can find ass-wipes everywhere).
But the royal family flew to England where they represented the Dutch government in exile (a bit like Charles De Gaulle, with more legitimacy).

Netherlands had quite a heroic history of resistance and many Dutch soldiers managed to get to England and served among the allied forces.

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If you replace Cole and Smith with Donahue and Shermer in your assessment, I would agree 100%.

Shermer was the one trying to divert the conversations and Donahue was just interjecting hyperbole.

Can you demonstrate what they said about the crematoriums to be false then?
Shermer was pointing out the mistakes the Smith and Cole kept making in their arguments. Smith at least kept his composure when Shermer spoke, Cole did no such thing. Smith's fault was that he kept playing the "what about everyone else who died?" game, even after it was pointed out to him from someone who had just been to the Holocaust Museum that right inside of the museum it makes it a point to mention the millions of others who were slaughtered.

Now, which part do you wish demonstrated about the crematoriums? Which person's claims? I mentioned the voice-over guy, but that's because I didn't notice much from the other guys about it except the exchange with Smith, Shermer, and the woman in the audience.
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Another statement without a link to back up the claims. Sucked it out of your thumb?
It's from the Errol Morris film, which you refuse to see because it makes your hero Fred Leutcher look like a monster with rotting teeth and a scrambled brain. There are actual scientists and real historians in this film who know what they are talking about, not just those who pretend to be on the internet, like you.
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Another statement without a link to back up the claims. Sucked it out of your thumb?
As I'm a nice guy, here is the link (The entire documentary is a remarkable piece of work. Strongly recommend you watch it):

Fast forward to 1:04 to hear the Chemist -James Roth- who did the experiment talking about the poor science behind Leuchter's conclusions:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+rise+and+fall



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Unfortunately for you these experiments were repeated by an accomplished chemist Germar Rudolf with the same results. Rudolf was released earlier this week from prison after a three year sentence for 'holocaust denial'.
If he repeated the experiment, then it was the wrong experiment to do.
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the Chemist -James Roth
Hmmm..."Roth" sounds like a Jewish name, therefore I don't believe him.

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Of course I have seen that.

Summary: according to the wisdom arrived at at Nuremberg the evil Nazi's had killed hundreds of thousands of Jews and then buried them. On second thought they buried them up again and burned the corpses just to leave no traces.

A couple of years ago an Australian team went to these camp sites and used ground penetrating radar to investigate the top layer of the soil.

Result: the earth had been unmoved since the last ice age.

We can calmly tick off 1/3 of the holocaust.

Rubbish. Nobody buries ashes, liar.

Why did Eichmann "forget" to mention that the crimes he was busy explaining away didn't happen in the first place?
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From Wikipedia:
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He received a Bachelor's of Arts degree in history from Boston University in 1964.
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Leuchter has said he is not an engineer and misled people about his expertise.
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On October 13, 1990 New York Times described him as "self-proclaimed execution expert and manufacturer of death machinery" who "was charged today in a Middlesex County District Court with fraudulently practicing engineering."
It quoted Dr. Edward A. Brunner, chairman of the anesthesia department at Northwestern University Medical School, as saying Leuchter's lethal injection system would indeed paralyze a condemned criminal, but far from being humane this paralysis would merely stop the prisoner from screaming at the "extreme pain in the form of a severe burning sensation" caused by the potassium chloride injection. (Potassium chloride is commonly used in judicial execution through lethal injection.) A subsequent article in the June 13, 1991 New York Times details his agreement with prosecutors to "serve two years' probation for practicing engineering without a license."
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In 1990 Newsweek reported Alabama Assistant Attorney General Ed Carnes calling Leuchter's views on the gas chamber "unorthodox" and alleging that "Leuchter was running a death row shakedown scheme: if a state didn't purchase Leuchter's services, he would testify at the last minute for the condemned man that the state's death chamber might malfunction."
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In his memorandum to death penalty states, Carnes observed that in Florida and Virginia the federal courts had rejected Leuchter's testimony as unreliable. The court in Florida had found that Leuchter had 'misquoted the statements' contained in an important affidavit and had 'inaccurately surmised' a crucial premise of his conclusion.
In Virginia, Leuchter provided a death-row inmate's attorney with an affidavit claiming the electric chair would fail.The Virginia court decided the credibility of Leuchter's affidavit was limited because Leuchter was "the refused contractor who bid to replace the electrodes in the Virginia chair."
So... he was officially decided, on multiple occasion, to have no credibility.
It is also interesting to note that his study was a) far from objective and neutral as he had been hired by the defence in the trial of the denialist Ernst Zündel.
b) took place 50 years after the fact
c) took place at least partially on buildings that had been destroyed by the German and reconstructed after the war.
d) was fatally flawed in design (very thick samples)
e) still managed to detect residual cyanide levels on several samples.

And that's just the beginning. The whole idea that lower levels of cyanide would indicate de-lousing is ludicrous, as insects are more resistant to cyanide than human.


In fact when performed by people that actually know what they are doing, the results are radically different.

But I guess, these people are also part of the Zionist conspiracy...
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Old 17th July 2009, 03:51 PM   #190
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No I don't. I like Parky (he doesn't like me though). Although I do admit I'm not too fond on dtugg, dudalb and FineWine.

But why should I not take serious the number one expert on gas chambers, Fred Leuchter? Because he came up with findings you don't like? That's not enough reason.

But oldhat has a point. Poor dtugg played wonderful into my hands offering space for my views. He is rather silent lately. The same dtugg who opened this thread saying ' This should be good.'.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=146233&page=7

Still waiting for your irrefutable proof, dtugg. It's probably going to be a long wait. In the mean time I'm more than happy to provide some interesting information for the whole world to see.
I started this thread, nazi, so you could expose yourself as the evil Holocaust denying bigot that you are. You've done just that so thank you very much. As I already told you, I have no interest in teaching you basic history although others have and surprise, surprise, you just ignore them. Nobody will be conned by your evil lies, nazi, so keep exposing yourself.
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Anyone interested in the technical aspects of why Leuchter's claims cannot be taken seriously and in what investigators who actually knew what they were doing found at Auschwitz might wqnt to read this, this and this.

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Why are you even arguing with him? He hates Jews, that's that. There's nothing you can say that will convince him. He takes the Institute for Historical Review and Fred Leucher seriously, for God's sake.
Indeed, I doubt that evidence and logic are the optimal tools for arguing with verminous Nazi scumbags. I suspect a more effective and appropriate way to introduce them to reality is what my late uncle Tony used:

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So Eichmann speaking of "Jewish extermination" isn't some sort of admission? How about the Aushwitz SS guard who admits to being there and participating in gassing's and burials? He in on it, too?
Eichmann was a bureaucrat. He never killed anybody. The only thing he did was organizing the deportations of the Jews to the East. Just like present day logistics managers organize the transport of containers.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p237_Okeefe.html

he persistently rejects the accusation that he was the organizer of the "Final Solution" or the "flywheel of the extermination machine."

And what SS guard are you talking about? Just give me the name and I'll debunk it for you for free.

I like being a debunker for a change.
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Shermer was pointing out the mistakes the Smith and Cole kept making in their arguments. Smith at least kept his composure when Shermer spoke, Cole did no such thing. Smith's fault was that he kept playing the "what about everyone else who died?" game, even after it was pointed out to him from someone who had just been to the Holocaust Museum that right inside of the museum it makes it a point to mention the millions of others who were slaughtered.

Now, which part do you wish demonstrated about the crematoriums? Which person's claims? I mentioned the voice-over guy, but that's because I didn't notice much from the other guys about it except the exchange with Smith, Shermer, and the woman in the audience.

Well, you can start with what Cole was saying; then the voice-over guy.

You did notice how Shermer refused to correct the lady in the audience about the human soap myth?
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[quote=ktesibios;4915439]Anyone interested in the technical aspects of why Leuchter's claims cannot be taken seriously and in what investigators who actually knew what they were doing found at Auschwitz might wqnt to read this, this and this.

OK. Forget about Leuchter. Why not concentrate on Germar Rudolf. He has a cum laude phd. He worked for the world renowned Max Planck Institute. He is a chemist.
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Anyone interested in the technical aspects of why Leuchter's claims cannot be taken seriously and in what investigators who actually knew what they were doing found at Auschwitz might wqnt to read this, this and this.



Indeed, I doubt that evidence and logic are the optimal tools for arguing with verminous Nazi scumbags. I suspect a more effective and appropriate way to introduce them to reality is what my late uncle Tony used:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...0feef81745.jpg
My Grandfather,in North Africa and France with the US Army in WW2, found this very effective in showing the Nazis the error of their ways:



The M1 Garand. Best standard issue infantry rifle of World War 2,thought the Lee Enfield was not
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Well, you can start with what Cole was saying; then the voice-over guy.

You did notice how Shermer refused to correct the lady in the audience about the human soap myth?
When did you jump on the Holocaust Denial Train to Disaster,guy?
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The Fuhrer was sweet! The Fuhrer was kind, mein herr!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGp0hCxSg98
You are the only one here with these kind of claims.
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OK. Forget about Leuchter.
Forget about 'America's No#1 Gas expert'? Why, anyone would think you didn't have an cohesive argument!

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Why not concentrate on Germar Rudolf. He has a cum laude phd. He worked for the world renowned Max Planck Institute. He is a chemist.
Arguments from authority aside, if he carried out the same test as Leuchter (Which you said he did), then he drew poor, unscientific conclusions.

Did you watch what Roth said about the experiment?
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Well, you can start with what Cole was saying; then the voice-over guy.

You did notice how Shermer refused to correct the lady in the audience about the human soap myth?
No, don't play this game of moving around, HH. State precisely what you want shown to be demonstrably false. State it outright, no word-games. You know me, and you know how I roll as far as history goes. I'm not going to play a fishing game to get specifics out of you while you dance around. Say specifically what it was you want me to address.
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No, don't play this game of moving around, HH. State precisely what you want shown to be demonstrably false. State it outright, no word-games. You know me, and you know how I roll as far as history goes. I'm not going to play a fishing game to get specifics out of you while you dance around. Say specifically what it was you want me to address.
You made the claim, not me. How do I know what you think is demonstrably false!?
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