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Old 19th October 2009, 03:14 PM   #2001
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As an aside, some of Britains greatest politicians, sportsmen, business leaders and artists are either immigrants or descended from immigrants. Disraeli, surely one of the most important PM's, came from Italian Sephardic Jews. Churchill was part American. Hamilton, Hussain, Panesar, Agbonlahor, Ferdinand are more recent sporting examples. Britain has always been a friend to immigrants, and benefited greatly from them, something I can see looking around at my university classes.

Keeping Britain British means allowing for immigrants. It's what we are all, after all. We could no more get rid of the immigrants then we could cut off our arms.
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Old 19th October 2009, 03:42 PM   #2002
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Let me refine then:


Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator View Post

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and, while a handful of liars have always denied the obvious purely to make their pet-Nazis look better, in the same time, legitmate scholarly research has been bringing new evidences to light and refining our understanding of the events, in all their reality and cruelty, since then.

Understatement of the century.

http://www.ihr.org/main/search.shtml

Let's not quote-mine, here, m'kay?
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Old 20th October 2009, 06:53 AM   #2003
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Originally Posted by Uzzy View Post
As an aside, some of Britains greatest politicians, sportsmen, business leaders and artists are either immigrants or descended from immigrants. Disraeli, surely one of the most important PM's, came from Italian Sephardic Jews. Churchill was part American. Hamilton, Hussain, Panesar, Agbonlahor, Ferdinand are more recent sporting examples. Britain has always been a friend to immigrants, and benefited greatly from them, something I can see looking around at my university classes.

Keeping Britain British means allowing for immigrants. It's what we are all, after all. We could no more get rid of the immigrants then we could cut off our arms.
As an aside, the only way to preserve British culture is to push those pesky Normans back into the sea...
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Old 20th October 2009, 07:09 AM   #2004
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But then who will keep tabs those meddlesome invading Angles, Celts, and Saxons?! The only way to maintain British culture is to ensure it's limited to pure descendants of the Beakers. Stupid Celts and their iron smelting. They ruined everything.

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As an aside, the only way to preserve British culture is to push those pesky Normans back into the sea...
Darn Normans. Harold Godwinson clearly won the Battle of Hastings, but he was betrayed by the pesky Jews Nobles running everything.
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Old 20th October 2009, 09:06 AM   #2006
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Darn Normans. Harold Godwinson clearly won the Battle of Hastings, but he was betrayed by the pesky Jews Nobles running everything.
Hastings was close fought and could have saved the world from the bastard that is the english language.
Much better if danish had prevailed.
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Well, I find it most likely that holocaust has been exaggerated in order to raise Israel, and this from the fact that winners very often exaggerate the evil doings of the losers
I think it's fair to say that the Jews didn't really "win" much from the Nazis.
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Originally Posted by Simon39759 View Post
Let me refine then:

and, while a handful of liars have always denied the obvious purely to make their pet-Nazis look better, in the same time, legitmate scholarly research has been bringing new evidences to light and refining our understanding of the events, in all their reality and cruelty, since then.
The name of only person who was gassed in a German concentration camp?

Please?
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I think it's fair to say that the Jews didn't really "win" much from the Nazis.
Apart from moral unassailability and global hegemony via their proxy USA, not much indeed.
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Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator View Post
Apart from moral unassailability and global hegemony via their proxy USA, not much indeed.
Careful there, boy. Your bigotry is showing. Might want to zip that up.
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Old 20th October 2009, 12:08 PM   #2011
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Seriously, 9/11, if half your family is murdered brutally and you're paid a billion dollars in compensation, you still lost a lot, didn't you ? Saying that "won" is really telling of your bias.
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Old 20th October 2009, 12:34 PM   #2012
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Revisionist classic, the Toronto holocaust trial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZunWBNLKQ

There are only a handful of 'eye-witnesses' of the holocaust. One of the most prominent of them is Rudolf Vrba (starting at 7:15). He is grilled by the lawyer Christie and exposed for the fraud that he is.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html
(scroll down to read more on Vrba).

In the same video, the demasque of Hilberg, the godfather of the holocaust. He had to admit that there were no documents that proved the holocaust. It was all a sort of telepathy, you see, everybody understood what he had to do without receiving orders.

Sure Hilberg.

BTW it is interesting that on a 'sceptical forum' like this one, exceptions will be made for the acceptance of the telepathic nature of the holocaust organization. Some restrictions apply.

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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Seriously, 9/11, if half your family is murdered brutally and you're paid a billion dollars in compensation, you still lost a lot, didn't you ?
You do understand the topic of this thread, I hope?

One name of a person who was gassed, please.
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Old 20th October 2009, 12:56 PM   #2014
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Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator View Post
You do understand the topic of this thread, I hope?

One name of a person who was gassed, please.
You still need to provide proof of death regarding the alleged deaths at Dressden. So far we've seen a burnt out town and some bodies on a funeral pyre.

And since you are now demanding names, you can also provide the names of those in the picture you provided.

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Old 20th October 2009, 12:58 PM   #2015
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Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator View Post
Revisionist classic, the Toronto holocaust trial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZunWBNLKQ

There are only a handful of 'eye-witnesses' of the holocaust. One of the most prominent of them is Rudolf Vrba (starting at 7:15). He is grilled by the lawyer Christie and exposed for the fraud that he is.
There are actually thousands if not more -- unless you are demanding witnesses to gassing in which case yes, alas, most witnesses were murdered.

The murderer does not get away with murder by killing the witnesses.
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Old 20th October 2009, 01:01 PM   #2016
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This MSM article proves that the holocaust is not just an historic event, it is a political juggernaut with which you can transform societies.
That is not a truthful statement.
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That is not a truthful statement.
You think not?

It is at least no small consolation that the 'nation' that helped to bring about the holocaust tale and the subsequent destruction of the West will go down itself first.

http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article...t_catastrophe/

The story of the US is over and the US will vanish from the page of time before 2012.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/celente/F...12-Celente.pdf

A little gem is to be found in page 3 about 'the mob'...

Had the Wall Street “families” been named Celente, Caruso, Mondavi, Bellini, Rossini and Buitoni, they would have been called a financial Mafia, and the billions in buyouts and bailouts would have been called extortion. Day after day, month after month, it would have been a headline grabbing, non-stop story. Movies, TV features, HBO series, Congressional investigations, special prosecutors and commissions … Mafia madness would have been milked by Hollywood for every penny of its entertainment potential.

I wonder what Celente means by this?

Dudalb? Trojan? please help me out.
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Old 20th October 2009, 01:27 PM   #2018
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The story of the US is over and the US will vanish from the page of time before 2012.
You are delusional.
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You still need to provide proof of death regarding the alleged deaths at Dressden. So far we've seen a burnt out town and some bodies on a funeral pyre.

And since you are now demanding names, you can also provide the names of those in the picture you provided.

thanks
A little bit of searching leads the to consistent mentioning of 35,000 identified victims of the Dresden attack and 50,000 unidentified victims.

http://community.freenet.de/freunde-...HEN&FID=912591

- In der gewiß unverdächtigen und über jeden Zweifel erhabenen zusammenfassenden Darstellung des Bombenkrieges des Internationalen Roten Kreuzes – Report of the Joint Refief 1941 – 1946 – wird die Zahl der Toten mit 275 000 angegeben. [Red Cross]

Diese obige Zahl hat die Dresdner Stadtverwaltung also selbst im Jahre 1992 bekanntgegeben. Sie setzt sich aus folgenden drei Gruppen zusammen.

- 35.000 voll identifizierte Opfer,

- 50.000 nicht identifizierte, bei denen aber Eheringe, Metallschmuck und ähnliches gefunden wurden, was später zur Identifizierung würde dienen können und

- 168 000 Bombenopfer, bei denen es nichts mehr zu identifizieren gab.



Here is a speech by a cardinal with the Bundespresident as a guest:
http://www.ekd.de/gesellschaft/05010...tesdienst.html

als vor bald 60 Jahren die Stadt Dresden mit 35.000 identifizierten Opfern durch einen Bombenhagel zerstört wurde, als am 6. und 9. August 1945 in Hiroshima und Nagasaki die ersten Atombomben 100.000 Menschenleben kosteten

This is more than enough proof that tens of thousand of people died in that city. You can call the townhall in Dresden for a register of these identified people.

Where is your similar proof regarding the holocaust?
Why don't you try another of these fake photographs you keep producing so I can debunk them?

Your case is hopeless.

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As an aside, the only way to preserve British culture is to push those pesky Normans back into the sea...
No way. You have to get rid of those Anglo Saxons as well. Only the Celts are True Brits.
Except that the Celts grabbed the land of people who were there before them.
The UK is as much a land of Immigrants as the US. It just happened much longer ago.
And the Brits should be thankful for the Indians and Pakistani immigrants. They gave the Brits decent food to eat........
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Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
You are delusional.
Celente has been right on the money all the time.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Careful there, boy. Your bigotry is showing. Might want to zip that up.
Hell, check the guy's posting history. He bigotry has been showing since the first day he was here. That was one of his milder outbursts.
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Old 20th October 2009, 01:35 PM   #2023
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Hastings was close fought and could have saved the world from the bastard that is the english language.
Much better if danish had prevailed.
Blame the Norwegians! If Harold hadn't have to fight Stamford Bridge and then force-march his army all the way South, his troops would have been in much better shape.

Of course, England should have remained Dutch. We conquered it fair and square in 1688. Too bad William III was gay and didn't produce any offspring.

(and yes, I know "conquered" is overstatement)
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Old 20th October 2009, 01:43 PM   #2024
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A little bit of searching leads the to consistent mentioning of 35,000 identified victims of the Dresden attack and 50,000 unidentified victims.
Consistent mentioning? A little bit of searching will find the consistent mentioning of millions of dead Jews at the hands of Nazi's.

Consistent mentioning is the standard now?
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And the Brits should be thankful for the Indians and Pakistani immigrants. They gave the Brits decent food to eat........
Poll today in the largest newspaper of the Netherlands (right wing):

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/5...__.html?p=20,1

Uit een poll op de website blijkt overigens dat driekwart van de bezoekers niet kan wachten tot de laatste Marokkaan uit Nederland is vertrokken. Slechts twee op de tien bezoekers (20 procent) vindt dat Marokkanen in Nederland thuis horen.

Translation: 75% of the respondents can't wait until the last Moroccan has left the country; only 20% believe Moroccans have a place in The Netherlands. You want to know the future? It is born from the content of the hearts of the present.

- The whole world is now actively busy to dethrone the dollar. The world smells blood. Start working for a living for a change rather than print money and let yourself being served by the world

- 1 in 6 Americans living in poverty.

- Jewish writer Howard Kunstler smells a pogrom: If a zombie virus is on the loose in America, the first infections showed up in the zombie banks, among the zombie bankers. Watch out, Lloyd Blankfein! Woody is on his way....

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Of course, England should have remained Dutch. We conquered it fair and square in 1688. Too bad William III was gay and didn't produce any offspring.

(and yes, I know "conquered" is overstatement)
It's not an overstament. I used to be very proud of that conquest. The Dutch army made it all to the north and even into Ulster where to this very day the good people of Ulster are doing Orange Marches to commemorate the event. And in Glasgow as well. And even in Manchester. The Brits always brag about how they resisted Napoleon and Hitler but consistently fail to mention that in 1689 Dutch soldiers had their boots on the table in Whitehall. After a gang rape by catholic France and Britain in 1672 the protestant Dutch decided to invade Britain in order to use it's resources to keep Lou14 in check. It worked out magnificently. What I learned much later was that the whole operation was financed by filthy rich sephardic Jews from The Hague in turn for the privilege of establishing a central bank in England. The Jews had been thrown out of Britain centuries earlier. So the Jews piggy backed back into Britain using the Dutch (a sort of Dutch Balfour declaration). That was both the start of the British empire and it's subsequent demise starting from WW2 as a consequence of the disastrous actions of that American Jew Churchill.

Ah well, it's coming down anyway. A few more years and the American Era is over. Not a minute too early.

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You are, of course, referring to the Glorious Revolution, also known as the Bloodless Revolution, correct? At least it was mostly bloodless. Seems like the Dutch supplied some aid to the Parliamentarians who ran the show. Heck, William III was even invited.

Quite what that has to do with the Holocaust I don't know, but oh well.
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Re. Dresden. I've repeatedly brought up the independent commission that was set up by the city of Dresden itself, which reported that it identified 18,000 victims, with a possible maximum of 25,000. Still a lot, but unlike many of the Luftwaffe's targets, Dresden was at least a valid military target.

Typical of the Nazi's really. They will give it out to anyone, but when they get hit themselves they cry foul.
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It's not an overstament. I used to be very proud of that conquest. The Dutch army made it all to the north and even into Ulster where to this very day the good people of Ulster are doing Orange Marches to commemorate the event. And in Glasgow as well. And even in Manchester. The Brits always brag about how they resisted Napoleon and Hitler but consistently fail to mention that in 1689 Dutch soldiers had their boots on the table in Whitehall. After a gang rape by catholic France and Britain in 1672 the protestant Dutch decided to invade Britain in order to use it's resources to keep Lou14 in check. It worked out magnificently. What I learned much later was that the whole operation was financed by filthy rich sephardic Jews from The Hague in turn for the privilege of establishing a central bank in England. The Jews had been thrown out of Britain centuries earlier. So the Jews piggy backed back into Britain using the Dutch (a sort of Dutch Balfour declaration). That was both the start of the British empire and it's subsequent demise starting from WW2 as a consequence of the disastrous actions of that American Jew Churchill.

Ah well, it's coming down anyway. A few more years and the American Era is over. Not a minute too early.
This is surely parody now isn't it???
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Reading this thread, I'm reminded of History on Trial.

As a BA in History (not too far removed from my schooling), this saddens me.
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Another holocaust sob story a few days earlier here:

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/64673057.html

As always no specifics are mentioned: Radomska says her father suffered under treacherous conditions while being held captive. Everything is vague, suggestive, but no substance.

Very interesting are the reader comments!

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/6...ction=comments

A clear sign that the tale is coming apart at the seams.

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This is surely parody now isn't it???
You should know me by now.

If you want to start a thread about it, I might even join.

Wait until I start a thread defending that America originally basically was a copy of the Netherlands and nothing else. And that it is Jewish controlled now and that it should go back to it's Dutch origin's.

Oh yes, and New York should be renamed after it's original name Nieuw Amsterdam after the coming clash. Or 2nd American Revolution as Celente prefers to call it.

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Reading this thread, I'm reminded of History on Trial.

As a BA in History (not too far removed from my schooling), this saddens me.
Ah, finally somebody with the bagage to make a fool out of me.

Now it is getting interesting.

To the neutral lurker: he is not even going to try. He'll prefer to safely stay in his 'beautiful saddened state'.

Yuck.

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Sorry. Double posting.

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Re. Dresden. I've repeatedly brought up the independent commission that was set up by the city of Dresden itself, which reported that it identified 18,000 victims, with a possible maximum of 25,000. Still a lot, but unlike many of the Luftwaffe's targets, Dresden was at least a valid military target.

Typical of the Nazi's really. They will give it out to anyone, but when they get hit themselves they cry foul.
Dressden also puts our resident Dutch Nazi in perspective -- he demands a level of evidence for individuals murdered by the Nazis in secret, yet he cannot provide the same level of evidence for an open and widely known incident.

He keeps posting photos and such, yet rejects the same level regarding the Holocaust.
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Old 20th October 2009, 03:25 PM   #2036
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Dressden also puts our resident Dutch Nazi in perspective -- he demands a level of evidence for individuals murdered by the Nazis in secret, yet he cannot provide the same level of evidence for an open and widely known incident.
Aha, in secret. But they were nevertheless so kind to let you in on the secret.

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He keeps posting photos and such, yet rejects the same level regarding the Holocaust.
What pictures did you post from the holocaust? There is only one picture of the supposed holocaust and you posted it and I showed you it was fake.

And please spare me the pictures of Belsen of which nobody claims it was an extermination camp.

This picture of Dresden makes immediately clear that tens of thousands of people must have died during that bombing raid, with no military goal whatsoever other than terror:

http://www.ns-archiv.de/krieg/deutsc...en/dresden.jpg

And the allies don't even deny it because you cannot deny it.

But where are your pictures or other evidence that clearly shows that millions of people were killed intentionally by the Germans? I mean this is page 51.

You have no evidence.

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Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
Dressden also puts our resident Dutch Nazi in perspective -- he demands a level of evidence for individuals murdered by the Nazis in secret, yet he cannot provide the same level of evidence for an open and widely known incident.

He keeps posting photos and such, yet rejects the same level regarding the Holocaust.
The usual circular reasoning of the fanatic: the holocaust is a lie because all the photos and evidence is fake; and the photos and evidence is all fake because the holocaust is a lie.
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Originally Posted by Uzzy View Post
You are, of course, referring to the Glorious Revolution, also known as the Bloodless Revolution, correct? At least it was mostly bloodless. Seems like the Dutch supplied some aid to the Parliamentarians who ran the show. Heck, William III was even invited.
Yep, I know he was invited. Still, he brought some 20,000 Dutch troops with him to quell opposition from James' supporters and had to chase them all the way to the Boyne, as the Unionists remind us of yearly. Of course, the main significance for English/British history is that it is one of the key events where Parliament wrested more control over government from the monarch.

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Quite what that has to do with the Holocaust I don't know, but oh well.
My bad - I thought I'd chime in with the (tongue-in-cheek) patriotic remarks about English history earlier in the thread. I didn't realize this was also part of the world-wide Jewish conspiracy per 9/11-investigator's remarks.

And I wonder what's off-topic and what's on-topic for this thread.
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Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator View Post
Aha, in secret. But they were nevertheless so kind to let you in on the secret.
Nazi reasoning, its secret where is the evidence, ah, you have evidence, then it wasn't secret.

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What pictures did you post from the holocaust? There is only one picture of the supposed holocaust and you posted it and I showed you it was fake.
The Holocaust is not a singular event that occurred one time at one camp - its a systematic execuation of millions of innocents throughout Nazi occupied Europe - gassing is one method of murder, it is not the sole method or even the primary method.

There is not just one photo - why do you lie?

http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/5963
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You do understand the topic of this thread, I hope?

One name of a person who was gassed, please.
Oh, so sticking to my question was fine so long as you found some rhetoric to spout, but now that you have no answer we have to go back to the topic, eh ?

Again, very telling.
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