Panaggio on Mukhin on Katyn

Huzington · 16th December 2003, 02:23 PM

There is a book that claims to prove the documents "discovered"
under Gorbachov, and published under Yeltsin, "proving" the Soviets were
responsible for the Katyn massacres of Polish officers, are forgeries.
The book is Katynskii Detektiv, by Yuri Mukhin.

Personally, I don't claim that this is the most important question.
Mukhin doesn't, either, and he (and others) have written much other
stuff since, on other topics. But it is a topic! The book has got
wide publicity, made the Russian and Polish government upset.

On top of it all, it's very, very well done! That doesn't mean it's
conclusive. But I've read it - twice - and have changed my opinion from
"the Soviets did it", to "the question is not settled."

Anyway, in the case of this book, there is a summary, in English, on the
web. At least you can get an idea of what the book is about, and of the
argument. It's at

http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/katyn.html

hgc · 16th December 2003, 02:27 PM

Oh, question not settled now? I guess you have alternate theories about how all those people transformed from the alive condition to the dead condition. Could be a Jonestown style mass suicide, but then there's the question of how they got buried. Hmmm. I'm leaning towards aliens. But I'm just glad to know you have recourse for your desparate longing for Stalinist nightmare to not be true.

jj · 16th December 2003, 02:30 PM

Hysterical revisionism, bankrupt-marxism style.

Huziwhatsis, you remind me of the lunatic right in this country that claims that this country was founded on Christian principles. You remind me of the revisionists who deny the holocaust in Germany.

In short, you remind me of somebody who isn't very well attached to reality at all.

BTox · 16th December 2003, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hgc
Hmmm. I'm leaning towards aliens. But I'm just glad to know you have recourse for your desparate longing for Stalinist nightmare to not be true.

Perhaps multiple Tunguska-like meteor explosion events killed those 40,000,000+ people?

Ed · 16th December 2003, 02:35 PM

(Ah, now that a crowd is gathering to look at the freak I can sell my capitalist home remedy)

Come up gentlemen, don't be shy. Plenty for everybody, only $2.00 a bottle.

BTox · 16th December 2003, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed
[BCome up gentlemen, don't be shy. Plenty for everybody, only $2.00 a bottle. [/b]

Psst.... that guy in the white coat is me. This one really does work!

Ed · 16th December 2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BTox

Psst.... that guy in the white coat is me. This one really does work!

And Mr .... What was your name sir? BTox? Wellll ... Mr. BeBop and I have never met, have we sir? No...

And so would you care to tell the crowd hpw this gift from the Gods has effected your life?

BTox · 16th December 2003, 03:00 PM

Well, you can see what it did to my head from my avatar. Now try to imagine what my other head looks like!

Mike B. · 16th December 2003, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Huzington
There is a book that claims to prove the documents "discovered"
under Gorbachov, and published under Yeltsin, "proving" the Soviets were
responsible for the Katyn massacres of Polish officers, are forgeries.
The book is Katynskii Detektiv, by Yuri Mukhin.

Personally, I don't claim that this is the most important question.
Mukhin doesn't, either, and he (and others) have written much other
stuff since, on other topics. But it is a topic! The book has got
wide publicity, made the Russian and Polish government upset.

On top of it all, it's very, very well done! That doesn't mean it's
conclusive. But I've read it - twice - and have changed my opinion from
"the Soviets did it", to "the question is not settled."

Anyway, in the case of this book, there is a summary, in English, on the
web. At least you can get an idea of what the book is about, and of the
argument. It's at

http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/katyn.html

I am sorry...but you are a ********** moron!!!
Please go to Poland and tell the people there about your theory.

Zep · 16th December 2003, 05:38 PM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the Germans, the dreaded maniacal enemies of the peaceful Soviet state, that discovered and proved that the Katyn massacre of the Polish soldiers was actually perpetrated by the Soviets? In 1943 or so? And that they used it for propaganda purposes shortly thereafter?

So I'm failing to see the relevance of any "recently discovered evidence" about this subject... Unless it's just all crap on Huzington's part, of course!

16th December 2003, 02:23 PM	#1
Huzington Thinker Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 191	Panaggio on Mukhin on Katyn There is a book that claims to prove the documents "discovered" under Gorbachov, and published under Yeltsin, "proving" the Soviets were responsible for the Katyn massacres of Polish officers, are forgeries. The book is Katynskii Detektiv, by Yuri Mukhin. Personally, I don't claim that this is the most important question. Mukhin doesn't, either, and he (and others) have written much other stuff since, on other topics. But it is a topic! The book has got wide publicity, made the Russian and Polish government upset. On top of it all, it's very, very well done! That doesn't mean it's conclusive. But I've read it - twice - and have changed my opinion from "the Soviets did it", to "the question is not settled." Anyway, in the case of this book, there is a summary, in English, on the web. At least you can get an idea of what the book is about, and of the argument. It's at http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/katyn.html
Huzington Thinker Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 191

16th December 2003, 02:30 PM	#3
jj Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 21,382	Hysterical revisionism, bankrupt-marxism style. Huziwhatsis, you remind me of the lunatic right in this country that claims that this country was founded on Christian principles. You remind me of the revisionists who deny the holocaust in Germany. In short, you remind me of somebody who isn't very well attached to reality at all.
jj Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 21,382

16th December 2003, 02:33 PM	#4
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,586	Quote: Originally posted by hgc Hmmm. I'm leaning towards aliens. But I'm just glad to know you have recourse for your desparate longing for Stalinist nightmare to not be true. Perhaps multiple Tunguska-like meteor explosion events killed those 40,000,000+ people?
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,586	__________________ "Your ignorance makes me ill... "

16th December 2003, 02:35 PM	#5
Ed Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,658	(Ah, now that a crowd is gathering to look at the freak I can sell my capitalist home remedy) Come up gentlemen, don't be shy. Plenty for everybody, only $2.00 a bottle.
Ed Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,658

16th December 2003, 02:38 PM	#6
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,586	Quote: Originally posted by Ed [BCome up gentlemen, don't be shy. Plenty for everybody, only $2.00 a bottle. [/b] Psst.... that guy in the white coat is me. This one really does work!
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,586	__________________ "Your ignorance makes me ill... "

16th December 2003, 02:27 PM	#2
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15,892	Oh, question not settled now? I guess you have alternate theories about how all those people transformed from the alive condition to the dead condition. Could be a Jonestown style mass suicide, but then there's the question of how they got buried. Hmmm. I'm leaning towards aliens. But I'm just glad to know you have recourse for your desparate longing for Stalinist nightmare to not be true.

16th December 2003, 02:41 PM	#7
Ed Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,658	Quote: Originally posted by BTox Psst.... that guy in the white coat is me. This one really does work! And Mr .... What was your name sir? BTox? Wellll ... Mr. BeBop and I have never met, have we sir? No... And so would you care to tell the crowd hpw this gift from the Gods has effected your life?
Ed Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,658

16th December 2003, 03:00 PM	#8
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,586	Well, you can see what it did to my head from my avatar. Now try to imagine what my other head looks like!
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,586	__________________ "Your ignorance makes me ill... "

16th December 2003, 05:23 PM	#9
Mike B. Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,186	Re: Panaggio on Mukhin on Katyn Quote: Originally posted by Huzington There is a book that claims to prove the documents "discovered" under Gorbachov, and published under Yeltsin, "proving" the Soviets were responsible for the Katyn massacres of Polish officers, are forgeries. The book is Katynskii Detektiv, by Yuri Mukhin. Personally, I don't claim that this is the most important question. Mukhin doesn't, either, and he (and others) have written much other stuff since, on other topics. But it is a topic! The book has got wide publicity, made the Russian and Polish government upset. On top of it all, it's very, very well done! That doesn't mean it's conclusive. But I've read it - twice - and have changed my opinion from "the Soviets did it", to "the question is not settled." Anyway, in the case of this book, there is a summary, in English, on the web. At least you can get an idea of what the book is about, and of the argument. It's at http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/katyn.html I am sorry...but you are a ********** moron!!! Please go to Poland and tell the people there about your theory.
Mike B. Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,186

16th December 2003, 05:38 PM	#10
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,704	Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the Germans, the dreaded maniacal enemies of the peaceful Soviet state, that discovered and proved that the Katyn massacre of the Polish soldiers was actually perpetrated by the Soviets? In 1943 or so? And that they used it for propaganda purposes shortly thereafter? So I'm failing to see the relevance of any "recently discovered evidence" about this subject... Unless it's just all crap on Huzington's part, of course!
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,704