[Merged] New poll shows truther numbers have nearly halved in two years

Orphia Nay · 23rd September 2009, 10:51 PM

This is from a new poll by Public Policy Polling,

Q4 Do you think President Bush intentionally
allowed the 9/11 attacks to take place because
he wanted the United States to go to war in the
Middle East? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If
you’re not sure, press 3.
Yes .................................................. ............... 14%
No .................................................. ................. 78%
Not Sure.............................................. ............ 8%

--

Compare that with a similar question from a July 2007 Zogby poll:

402. There are three main schools of thought regarding the 9/11 attacks. The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard. The second theory known as Let It Happen argues that certain elements in the US government knew the attacks were coming but consciously let them proceed for various political, military and economic motives; and the third theory Made It Happen contends that certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks. Based upon your knowledge of 9/11 events and their aftermath, which theory are you more likely to agree with?

TJM · 23rd September 2009, 11:08 PM

Bah. You think truthers are stupid enough to fall for an obvious NWO ploy to get the last remaining truthers to reveal their IP addresses and subsequently be rounded up for "re-education" at your friendly neighborhood FEMA death camp? Not bloody likely. They're happy to let you think the truth movement is ~~dead~~ ~~pining~~ resting while they regroup and attack anew.

So there.

Orphia Nay · 24th September 2009, 01:58 AM

Seriously, the new poll is also interesting in that it also proves South Park's quote "25% of Americans are retarded" is true

:

Q3 Do you think Barack Obama was born in the
United States? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If
you’re not sure, press 3.
Yes .................................................. ............... 59%
No .................................................. ................. 23%
Not Sure.............................................. ............ 18%

Mr.D · 24th September 2009, 02:26 AM

Now, where did I put that "waiting for the spin" smiley?

MarekM · 24th September 2009, 05:37 AM

This national poll conducted earlier this week shows that only 14% believe Bush allowed the attacks to take place in order to go to war in the Middle East.

Compare this with the 23% who are birthers and the 14-18% that believe either Bush or Obama is the Antichrist.

Of course, 911blogger.com interprets this as being a good thing.

CHF · 24th September 2009, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by MarekM

This national poll conducted earlier this week shows that only 14% believe Bush allowed the attacks to take place in order to go to war in the Middle East.

Of all the different polling methods out there, telephone polls strike me as the most useless.

But even so, it says 14% LIHOP which I'm guessing includes MIHOPers as well.

So much for Alex Jones' 86% and "you debunkers are in the minority now!"

WildCat · 24th September 2009, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by CHF

Of all the different polling methods out there, telephone polls strike me as the most useless.

Seems to be the industry norm, isn't it?

eta: oh, I see this was an automated phone poll where people pressed buttons rather than answering verbally. Not a real good method IMHO.

Lothian · 24th September 2009, 06:05 AM

19% think Bush is or could be the ‘antichrist’.
So the people responding clearly have litte grasp of reality. I suspect that the 14% came from this lot.

jhunter1163 · 24th September 2009, 06:10 AM

You also have to consider those who like screwing around with automated phone polls.

Scott Sommers · 24th September 2009, 06:24 AM

The demographics for this survey look pretty good, but 15% claim they voted for someone else during the last election or would not say. A further 25% say they are neither Republican nor Democrat. I am not familiar with US patterns but this seems quite large to me. It's possible this sample is slightly conservative. It's also possible that some people did not understand the question properly.

It's difficult to tell anything from a single survey. Election campaigns and polls of government policies are concerned with patterns.

MarekM · 24th September 2009, 06:27 AM

Whoops, I see that orphia nay already pointed this out yesterday in a different thread.

Could a mod merge the two?

TexasJack · 24th September 2009, 06:35 AM

This is LIHOP and MIHOP, I think if it was broken down, you would see the same numbers as the truther poll that showed 4.6 per cent believed in MIHOP. The peak was 2006, when a similar poll had MIHOP and LIHOP at 36 per cent.

Scott Sommers · 24th September 2009, 06:38 AM

17% of respondents are 18-29. Some of these would have been children on 911. It's possible that there's confusion about the question or other problems related to their youth.

WildCat · 24th September 2009, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by scott.in.taiwan

17% of respondents are 18-29. Some of these would have been children on 911. It's possible that there's confusion about the question or other problems related to their youth.

Well 25% of Americans are mentally retarded.

Captain.Sassy · 24th September 2009, 07:01 AM

1) I talked to a guy from Ekos who was saying telephone polling is actually fairly reliable these days.

2) lol @ antichrist stats.

What's the % that believe in ghosts? I remember reading it was pretty high at one point.

Also, LIHOP/MIOHP=?

Oliver · 24th September 2009, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Well 25% of Americans are mentally retarded.

What about the other 26% in the 2004 election?

Anyway, American culture as a whole is pretty diverse concerning Government-related issues, UFO's, Vaccines, Science&Religion, etc. So the 14% strikes me as rather surprisingly low.

Horatius · 24th September 2009, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Captain.Sassy

1) I talked to a guy from Ekos who was saying telephone polling is actually fairly reliable these days.

Yeah, because he'd be completely unbiased, right?

Quote:

Also, LIHOP/MIOHP=?

Let It Happen On Purpose vs. Made It Happen On Purpose.

Hokulele · 24th September 2009, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by orphia nay

Seriously, the new poll is also interesting in that it also proves South Park's quote "25% of Americans are retarded" is true

:

Q3 Do you think Barack Obama was born in the
United States? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If
you’re not sure, press 3.
Yes .................................................. ............... 59%
No .................................................. ................. 23%
Not Sure.............................................. ............ 18%

Good grief!

Macgyver1968 · 24th September 2009, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Good grief!

What are you...Charlie Brown now Hok?

I seriously doubt almost a quarter of Americans believe President Obama wasn't born in the US. Their numbers must be flawed.

jaydeehess · 24th September 2009, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.D

Now, where did I put that "waiting for the spin" smiley?

Let me help out the 911 conspiracy speculators then , Mr. D.

The "Not Sure" votes went UP from 5.4% to 8%(an whopping 32% gain) so obviously the 911 Conspiracy speculations are making people 'think' about the subject.

Mr.D · 24th September 2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

The "Not Sure" votes went UP from 5.4% to 8%(an whopping 32% gain) so obviously the 911 Conspiracy speculations are making people 'think' about the subject.

Or maybe the "Mind Control by Fluoride/Chemtrails" NWO sub-committee is slacking off.^* Guys, just because the Swine Flu sub-committee's work is going well doesn't give you license to goof off.

^*I knew we shouldn't have put a foosball table in their lounge.

Hokulele · 24th September 2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

What are you...Charlie Brown now Hok?

I couldn't think of a suitable facepalm.

Macgyver1968 · 24th September 2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

I couldn't think of a suitable facepalm.

How about a Jesus facepalm?

DGM · 24th September 2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Good grief!

[birther]Wasn't he born in Hawaii?, what's your point? [birther]

Hokulele · 24th September 2009, 02:37 PM

*Bap*

T.A.M. · 24th September 2009, 03:13 PM

where is bill smith in this thread? Calling bill smith....

TAM

Horatius · 24th September 2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

*Bap*

Well, what did we expect a Kenyan to say?

Bobert · 24th September 2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

You also have to consider those who like screwing around with automated phone polls.

Only if it involves heavy breathing

Algebra34 · 24th September 2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by orphia nay

This is from a new poll by Public Policy Polling,

Q4 Do you think President Bush intentionally
allowed the 9/11 attacks to take place because
he wanted the United States to go to war in the
Middle East? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If
you’re not sure, press 3.
Yes .................................................. ............... 14%
No .................................................. ................. 78%
Not Sure.............................................. ............ 8%

--

Compare that with a similar question from a July 2007 Zogby poll:

402. There are three main schools of thought regarding the 9/11 attacks. The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard. The second theory known as Let It Happen argues that certain elements in the US government knew the attacks were coming but consciously let them proceed for various political, military and economic motives; and the third theory Made It Happen contends that certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks. Based upon your knowledge of 9/11 events and their aftermath, which theory are you more likely to agree with?

I don't know what any of this really matters but for one thing the same questions aren't even being asked in the two comparisons you present. The new poll gives a LIHOP option only with no MIHOP option. Anyway if you conducted these polls everyday with different random groups of people the results would vary drastically in my opinion. What do any of these people know anyway? If anyone knew for sure then no one would be asking for an opinion poll in the first place.

Orphia Nay · 24th September 2009, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

I don't know what any of this really matters but for one thing the same questions aren't even being asked in the two comparisons you present. The new poll gives a LIHOP option only with no MIHOP option.

But it shows that 14% believe LIHOP as opposed to 26% in 2007.

Quote:

Anyway if you conducted these polls everyday with different random groups of people the results would vary drastically in my opinion.

Do you think that more, or less people would believe LIHOP/MIHOP?

Quote:

What do any of these people know anyway? If anyone knew for sure then no one would be asking for an opinion poll in the first place.

Er, you missed seeing how the poll was researching the demographics of believers in conspiracy theories in general, given the questions about Obama being a US citizen, and Obama or Bush being the Anti-Christ. Or do you give weight to those theories too?

Mr.D · 24th September 2009, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

If anyone knew for sure then no one would be asking for an opinion poll in the first place.

Too much spin.

TexasJack · 24th September 2009, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Anyway if you conducted these polls everyday with different random groups of people the results would vary drastically in my opinion.

Then it wouldn't be a scientific poll. Do you know how a scientific poll is conducted? They are taken from a cross section of the population with usually a + or - 4 percent accuracy.

Dave Rogers · 25th September 2009, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Algebra34

The new poll gives a LIHOP option only with no MIHOP option.

Since even total nutters don't believe W personally placed half a kiloton of explosives in the WTC, MIHOP more or less encompasses him deliberately allowing the attacks he had planned to happen.

Dave

Childlike Empress · 25th September 2009, 04:22 AM

It's BLIHOP, "Bush let it happen on purpose". Absurd idea.

funk de fino · 25th September 2009, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

It's BLIHOP, "Bush let it happen on purpose". Absurd idea.

Now you're talking.

jaydeehess · 25th September 2009, 10:44 AM

What it comes down to is that no one puts any stock in polls unless the poll results back that person's particular, well established, POV.

Of course there is the quote from, IIRC , Mark Twain, that there are three types of lies, "...lies, damn lies, and statistics".

jaydeehess · 25th September 2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

It's BLIHOP, "Bush let it happen on purpose". Absurd idea.

Of course it is. We all know that it was orchestrated by a secret organization that controls the events occuring around the globe, in which GWB is but a minor player. He probably knows the lower level secret handshakes though.

Childlike Empress · 25th September 2009, 12:30 PM

Exactly. That's why we all voted "no" in the poll, remember?

Baylor · 25th September 2009, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

What it comes down to is that no one puts any stock in polls unless the poll results back that person's particular, well established, POV.

Of course there is the quote from, IIRC , Mark Twain, that there are three types of lies, "...lies, damn lies, and statistics".

Despite of what Twain said, polls can be extremely accurate, thanks to the Central Limit Theorem. fivethirtyeight.com predicted the WV democratic primaries to within .01% of the results.

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Anyway if you conducted these polls everyday with different random groups of people the results would vary drastically in my opinion.

This would be a stundie in a statistics course.

Same ole' HI.

23rd September 2009, 11:08 PM	#2
TJM Potsing Whiled Runk Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 21,836	Bah. You think truthers are stupid enough to fall for an obvious NWO ploy to get the last remaining truthers to reveal their IP addresses and subsequently be rounded up for "re-education" at your friendly neighborhood FEMA death camp? Not bloody likely. They're happy to let you think the truth movement is ~~dead~~ ~~pining~~ resting while they regroup and attack anew. So there.
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24th September 2009, 01:58 AM	#3
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,886	Seriously, the new poll is also interesting in that it also proves South Park's quote "25% of Americans are retarded" is true : Q3 Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If you’re not sure, press 3. Yes .................................................. ............... 59% No .................................................. ................. 23% Not Sure.............................................. ............ 18%
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24th September 2009, 05:37 AM	#5
MarekM Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 205	Recent Poll: 14% Believe Inside Job This national poll conducted earlier this week shows that only 14% believe Bush allowed the attacks to take place in order to go to war in the Middle East. Compare this with the 23% who are birthers and the 14-18% that believe either Bush or Obama is the Antichrist. Of course, 911blogger.com interprets this as being a good thing.
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24th September 2009, 05:49 AM	#6
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,871	Originally Posted by MarekM This national poll conducted earlier this week shows that only 14% believe Bush allowed the attacks to take place in order to go to war in the Middle East. Of all the different polling methods out there, telephone polls strike me as the most useless. But even so, it says 14% LIHOP which I'm guessing includes MIHOPers as well. So much for Alex Jones' 86% and "you debunkers are in the minority now!"
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24th September 2009, 05:58 AM	#7
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 59,856	Originally Posted by CHF Of all the different polling methods out there, telephone polls strike me as the most useless. Seems to be the industry norm, isn't it? eta: oh, I see this was an automated phone poll where people pressed buttons rather than answering verbally. Not a real good method IMHO.
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24th September 2009, 02:26 AM	#4
Mr.D Self Assessed Dunning-Kruger Expert Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,178	Now, where did I put that "waiting for the spin" smiley?

24th September 2009, 06:05 AM	#8
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,589	19% think Bush is or could be the ‘antichrist’. So the people responding clearly have litte grasp of reality. I suspect that the 14% came from this lot.

24th September 2009, 06:10 AM	#9
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24th September 2009, 06:24 AM	#10
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,866	The demographics for this survey look pretty good, but 15% claim they voted for someone else during the last election or would not say. A further 25% say they are neither Republican nor Democrat. I am not familiar with US patterns but this seems quite large to me. It's possible this sample is slightly conservative. It's also possible that some people did not understand the question properly. It's difficult to tell anything from a single survey. Election campaigns and polls of government policies are concerned with patterns.
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24th September 2009, 06:27 AM	#11
MarekM Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 205	Whoops, I see that orphia nay already pointed this out yesterday in a different thread. Could a mod merge the two?
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24th September 2009, 06:35 AM	#12
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,906	This is LIHOP and MIHOP, I think if it was broken down, you would see the same numbers as the truther poll that showed 4.6 per cent believed in MIHOP. The peak was 2006, when a similar poll had MIHOP and LIHOP at 36 per cent.

24th September 2009, 06:38 AM	#13
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,866	17% of respondents are 18-29. Some of these would have been children on 911. It's possible that there's confusion about the question or other problems related to their youth.

24th September 2009, 06:39 AM	#14
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 59,856	Originally Posted by scott.in.taiwan 17% of respondents are 18-29. Some of these would have been children on 911. It's possible that there's confusion about the question or other problems related to their youth. Well 25% of Americans are mentally retarded.
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24th September 2009, 07:01 AM	#15
Captain.Sassy Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,236	1) I talked to a guy from Ekos who was saying telephone polling is actually fairly reliable these days. 2) lol @ antichrist stats. What's the % that believe in ghosts? I remember reading it was pretty high at one point. Also, LIHOP/MIOHP=?

24th September 2009, 08:13 AM	#16
Oliver Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 17,396	Originally Posted by WildCat Well 25% of Americans are mentally retarded. What about the other 26% in the 2004 election? Anyway, American culture as a whole is pretty diverse concerning Government-related issues, UFO's, Vaccines, Science&Religion, etc. So the 14% strikes me as rather surprisingly low.

24th September 2009, 08:14 AM	#17
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,685	Originally Posted by Captain.Sassy 1) I talked to a guy from Ekos who was saying telephone polling is actually fairly reliable these days. Yeah, because he'd be completely unbiased, right? Quote: Also, LIHOP/MIOHP=? Let It Happen On Purpose vs. Made It Happen On Purpose.
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24th September 2009, 10:09 AM	#18
Hokulele Deleterious Slab of Damnation Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Biggest Little City in the World Posts: 29,577	Originally Posted by orphia nay Seriously, the new poll is also interesting in that it also proves South Park's quote "25% of Americans are retarded" is true : Q3 Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If you’re not sure, press 3. Yes .................................................. ............... 59% No .................................................. ................. 23% Not Sure.............................................. ............ 18% Good grief!
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24th September 2009, 10:56 AM	#19
Macgyver1968 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 5,164	Originally Posted by Hokulele Good grief! What are you...Charlie Brown now Hok? I seriously doubt almost a quarter of Americans believe President Obama wasn't born in the US. Their numbers must be flawed.
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24th September 2009, 11:02 AM	#20
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,843	Originally Posted by Mr.D Now, where did I put that "waiting for the spin" smiley? Let me help out the 911 conspiracy speculators then , Mr. D. The "Not Sure" votes went UP from 5.4% to 8%(an whopping 32% gain) so obviously the 911 Conspiracy speculations are making people 'think' about the subject.
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24th September 2009, 01:32 PM	#21
Mr.D Self Assessed Dunning-Kruger Expert Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,178	Originally Posted by jaydeehess The "Not Sure" votes went UP from 5.4% to 8%(an whopping 32% gain) so obviously the 911 Conspiracy speculations are making people 'think' about the subject. Or maybe the "Mind Control by Fluoride/Chemtrails" NWO sub-committee is slacking off.^* Guys, just because the Swine Flu sub-committee's work is going well doesn't give you license to goof off. ^*I knew we shouldn't have put a foosball table in their lounge.

24th September 2009, 01:54 PM	#22
Hokulele Deleterious Slab of Damnation Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Biggest Little City in the World Posts: 29,577	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 What are you...Charlie Brown now Hok? I couldn't think of a suitable facepalm.
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24th September 2009, 02:05 PM	#23
Macgyver1968 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 5,164	Originally Posted by Hokulele I couldn't think of a suitable facepalm. How about a Jesus facepalm?
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24th September 2009, 02:29 PM	#24
DGM Skeptic not Atheist Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 24,738	Originally Posted by Hokulele Good grief! [birther]Wasn't he born in Hawaii?, what's your point? [birther]
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24th September 2009, 02:37 PM	#25
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24th September 2009, 03:13 PM	#26
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	where is bill smith in this thread? Calling bill smith.... TAM

24th September 2009, 07:44 PM	#27
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,685	Originally Posted by Hokulele Bap Well, what did we expect a Kenyan to say?
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24th September 2009, 08:17 PM	#28
Bobert Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,126	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 You also have to consider those who like screwing around with automated phone polls. Only if it involves heavy breathing
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24th September 2009, 08:30 PM	#29
Algebra34 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637	Originally Posted by orphia nay This is from a new poll by Public Policy Polling, Q4 Do you think President Bush intentionally allowed the 9/11 attacks to take place because he wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East? If yes, press 1. If no, press 2. If you’re not sure, press 3. Yes .................................................. ............... 14% No .................................................. ................. 78% Not Sure.............................................. ............ 8% -- Compare that with a similar question from a July 2007 Zogby poll: 402. There are three main schools of thought regarding the 9/11 attacks. The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard. The second theory known as Let It Happen argues that certain elements in the US government knew the attacks were coming but consciously let them proceed for various political, military and economic motives; and the third theory Made It Happen contends that certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks. Based upon your knowledge of 9/11 events and their aftermath, which theory are you more likely to agree with? I don't know what any of this really matters but for one thing the same questions aren't even being asked in the two comparisons you present. The new poll gives a LIHOP option only with no MIHOP option. Anyway if you conducted these polls everyday with different random groups of people the results would vary drastically in my opinion. What do any of these people know anyway? If anyone knew for sure then no one would be asking for an opinion poll in the first place.
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24th September 2009, 09:45 PM	#30
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,886	Originally Posted by Algebra34 I don't know what any of this really matters but for one thing the same questions aren't even being asked in the two comparisons you present. The new poll gives a LIHOP option only with no MIHOP option. But it shows that 14% believe LIHOP as opposed to 26% in 2007. Quote: Anyway if you conducted these polls everyday with different random groups of people the results would vary drastically in my opinion. Do you think that more, or less people would believe LIHOP/MIHOP? Quote: What do any of these people know anyway? If anyone knew for sure then no one would be asking for an opinion poll in the first place. Er, you missed seeing how the poll was researching the demographics of believers in conspiracy theories in general, given the questions about Obama being a US citizen, and Obama or Bush being the Anti-Christ. Or do you give weight to those theories too?
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24th September 2009, 09:48 PM	#31
Mr.D Self Assessed Dunning-Kruger Expert Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,178	Originally Posted by Algebra34 If anyone knew for sure then no one would be asking for an opinion poll in the first place. Too much spin.

24th September 2009, 10:02 PM	#32
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,906	Originally Posted by Algebra34 Anyway if you conducted these polls everyday with different random groups of people the results would vary drastically in my opinion. Then it wouldn't be a scientific poll. Do you know how a scientific poll is conducted? They are taken from a cross section of the population with usually a + or - 4 percent accuracy.

25th September 2009, 01:00 AM	#33
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 33,839	Originally Posted by Algebra34 The new poll gives a LIHOP option only with no MIHOP option. Since even total nutters don't believe W personally placed half a kiloton of explosives in the WTC, MIHOP more or less encompasses him deliberately allowing the attacks he had planned to happen. Dave
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25th September 2009, 04:22 AM	#34
Childlike Empress Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 20,632	It's BLIHOP, "Bush let it happen on purpose". Absurd idea.

25th September 2009, 05:07 AM	#35
funk de fino Dreaming of unicorns Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UAE Posts: 11,938	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress It's BLIHOP, "Bush let it happen on purpose". Absurd idea. Now you're talking.
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25th September 2009, 10:44 AM	#36
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,843	What it comes down to is that no one puts any stock in polls unless the poll results back that person's particular, well established, POV. Of course there is the quote from, IIRC , Mark Twain, that there are three types of lies, "...lies, damn lies, and statistics".