The Freeman Movement and England

Especially · 1st October 2009, 10:59 AM

My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England !

There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites, paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union. The television and printed media here is completely controlled and the state of law and order is not good.

The reason I'm posting is to introduce you to the Freeman movement here.

What do I mean by 'Freeman' movement ? I mean, simply, that things are not what they seem in this country. Our Parliament is little more than a theatre. Political parties are elected by the people and the political system is headed up by a dynasty of elites, the Monarchy. 'What's new ?' you might ask ? Well, the political candidates are all elected by the people. But on Day 1 of sitting in the Parliament they must swear an oath. To who ? To the Monarchy. Now, notice this closely. They do NOT swear an oath to the nation, or to the people who elected them. No, they swear an oath to the 'head of state'. To the elite dynasty of the Windsors. The same unelected 'head of state' who has agreed that England should become part of the EU empire.

Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1.

Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history).

But the public here hardly know what real law is. They believe all the stuff coming out of Parliament is Law. More and more 'laws' are being passed which make people confused about what the law really is. This ignorance is also found in the police. Who hardly know the difference between these Statutes of Parliament and the Laws. And we have more and more people now who are confused.

Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law.

Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them.

All politicians in England are now hypocrites. And a shadow government now rules over much of the UK. The 'New World Order' is not a conspiracy theory but a plain fact. Supported by the puppets now in Westminster's parliament.

In a few months from now the EU will take over the government of this nation. And this was done without giving the people of England a vote on European integration ! Imagine that ! Imagine the USA joining in a union with, say, Canada when the people do not get to vote about it ! But its already happened here.

It is now not acceptable to fly the national flag of England here. The police here can and do ask you to remove it.

There are, today, 9 regional government offices of the EU in England. England, as a nation, does not exist. It's shortly to become only a region of the European Union.

There is great concern here in the UK at all of the evils which are done in the name of our government and people are at last fighting back. They are refusing to pay tax bills for services which they do not negotiate. They are switching off the state media channels and are not voting for these hypocrite political parties in Westminster. They are taking back control of their own lives. Because we know the elite families and the elitist bankers are all hypocrites.

In the USA the banker bailouts were very unpopular. Same here in England.

The Freeman movement are not anarchists. We are people who rely on the real law of England. English Common Law. Not on commercial statutes produced by the Westminster elites in Parliament. Our policemen have become like revenue collecting officers. They should be defending the Common Law. That was their duty. But this has all changed. Our police today are corporate agents to fine you, to bill you, to collect bucks for their employers.

And more and more people in England consider themselves to be free of the system of Parliament. We don't believe in political parties. We don't believe in the EU, or the promises of politicians. We don't believe in the bankers or the globalist movement. And we are no more fooled by the 'laws' coming out of Parliament which are, as already said, only 'statutes' and which require the consent of the governed to be binding on us.

The commercial law has infiltrated and taken over good government and we are fighting back in the best possible way. By appealing in our courts to the Common Law of England. The real England.

Regards

drkitten · 1st October 2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Especially

My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England !

There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days.

There are lots of things I might care to know about the UK these days. Unfortunately, none of them are contained in your posting, because not a single sentence of your post was actually true.

We've got a special "conspiracy theory" forum for this sort of thing, and the "Freemen" movement has been discussed to death in that forum. It (the "Freemen" movement) is total drivel from start to finish.

I have asked the mods to move this to the appropriate spot.

WildCat · 1st October 2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Especially

My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England !

There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites, paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union.

Do tell more about this New World Order, I never heard of it before.

Architect · 1st October 2009, 11:30 AM

Welcome. However, I have to warn you that this is a sceptic site and hence you will be expected to defend your claims in depth. Especially as there are a lot of us from the UK here.

Incidentally, you to have some difficulty in understanding the difference between ""England" and the "UK", which is peculiar for a British resident.

geni · 1st October 2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Especially

My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England !

Please. No one who was really from london would call it that.

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There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites,

And this a problem why?

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paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our

Feel free to show the existance of such payments.

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national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union. The television and printed media here is completely controlled

Not consistent with the number of attacks the papers launch on the goverment and the EU.

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and the state of law and order is not good.

Better than they have been in centuries.

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The reason I'm posting is to introduce you to the Freeman movement here.

Yeah this is the JREF forum we kinda already know about that bunk.

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What do I mean by 'Freeman' movement ? I mean, simply, that things are not what they seem in this country. Our Parliament is little more than a theatre. Political parties are elected by the people and the political system is headed up by a dynasty of elites, the Monarchy. 'What's new ?' you might ask ? Well, the political candidates are all elected by the people. But on Day 1 of sitting in the Parliament they must swear an oath. To who ? To the Monarchy. Now, notice this closely. They do NOT swear an oath to the nation, or to the people who elected them. No, they swear an oath to the 'head of state'. To the elite dynasty of the Windsors.

Saxe-Coburg and Gotha perhaps.

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The same unelected 'head of state' who has agreed that England should become part of the EU empire.

1)The EU is not an empire
2)There is no evidence that the royal family particularly support the EU

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Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1.

England doesn't have a Constitution and hasn't existed as a sovereign nation either since about 1543 or 1707 depening on how you measure these things.

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Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you.

Nope. Constitionaly within both england and the UK parliment is absolute. It can order your exicution without your consent/

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In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history).

Um no. Common law does not predate 1066 and for the most part formed somewhat latter than that.

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But the public here hardly know what real law is. They believe all the stuff coming out of Parliament is Law. More and more 'laws' are being passed which make people confused about what the law really is. This ignorance is also found in the police. Who hardly know the difference between these Statutes of Parliament and the Laws. And we have more and more people now who are confused.

Statutory law is constituionaly valid within the UK

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Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law.

Actualy common law is very much about standing behind your actions. The police would have every right to know who you are and challange you to trial by combat (amoung other options since they represent the state trial by ordeal would also be an option) if they felt your actions to be unlawful.

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Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them.

Laws of england and wales. No consent is required.

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All politicians in England are now hypocrites.

How is Lembit Opik a hypocrite? I don't think he has ever pretended not to be interested in atractive women.

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In a few months from now the EU will take over the government of this nation. And this was done without giving the people of England a vote on European integration

Referendums have no precedent under common law.

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! Imagine that ! Imagine the USA joining in a union with, say, Canada when the people do not get to vote about it ! But its already happened here.

I seem to recall the US settled the issue through a civil war the last time it came up.

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It is now not acceptable to fly the national flag of England here.

There is no national flag of England.

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The Freeman movement are not anarchists. We are people who rely on the real law of England. English Common Law.

The low attence at fencing and quaterstaff classes is not consistent with this.

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Not on commercial statutes produced by the Westminster elites in Parliament. Our policemen have become like revenue collecting officers. They should be defending the Common Law.

That doesn't even make sense. The closest historic common law comes to police would be coroners and their job is to keep the peace of the crown.

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And more and more people in England consider themselves to be free of the system of Parliament.

So you answer dirrectly to the crown? Law by Royal Decree still exists in some countries but would seem an odd position for someone in the UK to take

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We don't believe in political parties.

There is a fair amount of evidence that they exist.

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We don't believe in the EU, or the promises of politicians. We don't believe in the bankers or the globalist movement.

Oh I see. Common law banking. You want jews to do all the banking. Well I suppose if we shipped most of isreal into the city of london it might solve some middle east issues.

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And we are no more fooled by the 'laws' coming out of Parliament which are, as already said, only 'statutes' and which require the consent of the governed to be binding on us.

Statue law in adition to law by royal decree is confirmed as acceptable under common law by multiple court ruleings.

dudalb · 1st October 2009, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Especially

My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England !

There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites, paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union. The television and printed media here is completely controlled and the state of law and order is not good.

The reason I'm posting is to introduce you to the Freeman movement here.

What do I mean by 'Freeman' movement ? I mean, simply, that things are not what they seem in this country. Our Parliament is little more than a theatre. Political parties are elected by the people and the political system is headed up by a dynasty of elites, the Monarchy. 'What's new ?' you might ask ? Well, the political candidates are all elected by the people. But on Day 1 of sitting in the Parliament they must swear an oath. To who ? To the Monarchy. Now, notice this closely. They do NOT swear an oath to the nation, or to the people who elected them. No, they swear an oath to the 'head of state'. To the elite dynasty of the Windsors. The same unelected 'head of state' who has agreed that England should become part of the EU empire.

Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1.

Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history).

But the public here hardly know what real law is. They believe all the stuff coming out of Parliament is Law. More and more 'laws' are being passed which make people confused about what the law really is. This ignorance is also found in the police. Who hardly know the difference between these Statutes of Parliament and the Laws. And we have more and more people now who are confused.

Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law.

Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them.

All politicians in England are now hypocrites. And a shadow government now rules over much of the UK. The 'New World Order' is not a conspiracy theory but a plain fact. Supported by the puppets now in Westminster's parliament.

In a few months from now the EU will take over the government of this nation. And this was done without giving the people of England a vote on European integration ! Imagine that ! Imagine the USA joining in a union with, say, Canada when the people do not get to vote about it ! But its already happened here.

It is now not acceptable to fly the national flag of England here. The police here can and do ask you to remove it.

There are, today, 9 regional government offices of the EU in England. England, as a nation, does not exist. It's shortly to become only a region of the European Union.

There is great concern here in the UK at all of the evils which are done in the name of our government and people are at last fighting back. They are refusing to pay tax bills for services which they do not negotiate. They are switching off the state media channels and are not voting for these hypocrite political parties in Westminster. They are taking back control of their own lives. Because we know the elite families and the elitist bankers are all hypocrites.

In the USA the banker bailouts were very unpopular. Same here in England.

The Freeman movement are not anarchists. We are people who rely on the real law of England. English Common Law. Not on commercial statutes produced by the Westminster elites in Parliament. Our policemen have become like revenue collecting officers. They should be defending the Common Law. That was their duty. But this has all changed. Our police today are corporate agents to fine you, to bill you, to collect bucks for their employers.

And more and more people in England consider themselves to be free of the system of Parliament. We don't believe in political parties. We don't believe in the EU, or the promises of politicians. We don't believe in the bankers or the globalist movement. And we are no more fooled by the 'laws' coming out of Parliament which are, as already said, only 'statutes' and which require the consent of the governed to be binding on us.

The commercial law has infiltrated and taken over good government and we are fighting back in the best possible way. By appealing in our courts to the Common Law of England. The real England.

Regards

Nice to know that the US is not the only country with "Freeman" wackjobs.

Kay · 1st October 2009, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Do tell more about this New World Order, I never heard of it before.

Do not deny your existence, member #457384. We are always watching you.

Donal · 1st October 2009, 11:55 AM

I'm wondering if this is just an American Freeman trying to rile up some European support, or make a ham fisted attempt at drawing a parallel.

Suddenly · 1st October 2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Nice to know that the US is not the only country with "Freeman" wackjobs.

My thought exactly. This post has made me feel better about America for some reason.

I am perturbed at his selection of an adverb for a screen name though.

uk_dave · 1st October 2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Suddenly

I am perturbed at his selection of an adverb for a screen name though.

I suspect that the 'E' is the most relevant part.

geni · 1st October 2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Nice to know that the US is not the only country with "Freeman" wackjobs.

Indeed but in this case the US import has serious problems. There's no obvious clean break from where you can claim laws and the executive used to be legit but are not any more.

The magna carter would appear to be the cloest but it isn't the first time english kings agreed to restrictions on their action and in any case trying to argue that all post manga carter law is not legit is problematical.

1707 act of union much be another option but would hit the issue that by 1706 things that at least looked like modern courts and statue law certianly existed.

1066 sort of works but hits issues with being urealistic.

The other problem is that you can't really seperate the law from the executive in the UK. The queen is constitionaly the Fount of Justice a role held by the monarch since at least the middle of the 13th century.

There is also the issue that what passes for the constitution in the UK and historicaly england is so messy that there is almost no short statement about it that can be made that cannot be shown to be false.

dudalb · 1st October 2009, 12:10 PM

BTW In answer to one of Espicially more "interesting" points, hasn't taking an Oath to the Monarch been a requirement for taking a seat in Parliament since the Middle Ages in England?????? Why is it so sinister now?

LightinDarkness · 1st October 2009, 12:18 PM

My goodness, it looks like the FOTL woo movement is going to be the next big thing in woo with all the attention its gotten on this board. I guess the attraction to Freeman delusions makes sense - in tough economic times, people need someone to scapegoat and FOTL woo offers very good targets. It also provides a sense of empowerment - that with just the utterance of a few magical legal woo words, that the court system and government will bow down to YOUR demands.

It makes people believe they have a part in the imagined role of "the elite" versus the freeman followers. In reality no such "elite" exists, at least not in any organized fashion. The truth is those with power and money could care less about freeman wooists or anyone else, and they certainly don't coordinate to keep you down.

The main woo argument from those suffering from the Freeman delusion is this whole "common law vs. statute" thing. It doesn't exist in reality. There is no sort of artificial barrier between the two. Both are used in the UK (and US) legal systems, and both are equally valid.

Agatha · 1st October 2009, 12:18 PM

Dear oh dear. Come back when you have learned about the "constitution of England" to which you refer. You know, the one which doesn't exist.

Oh, and do please show evidence of police preventing St George flags being flown. Will they be the ones flown on cars on the rare occasions England is doing well at football, rugby or cricket? Or the ones flown on civic buildings throughout England? Or the ones pinned up in house and shop windows? Have they been forcibly removed by police?

patchbunny · 1st October 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

My goodness, it looks like the FOTL woo movement is going to be the next big thing in woo with all the attention its gotten on this board. I guess the attraction to Freeman delusions makes sense - in tough economic times, people need someone to scapegoat and FOTL woo offers very good targets.

I simply feel the need to pop in here and point out every single time I see the phrase "FOTL woo" my mind interprets it as "faster than light woo", and for a brief instant I wonder why they're bringing cosmology into a discussion of government.

Anyway, back to the show.

Nosi · 1st October 2009, 12:45 PM

Just a quick note:

The Daily Mail is a fun bit to read. However, they fudge the news, leaving some truths out, and alter others, and um, they have been known to fib here and there. Then again, what do you expect from a magazine that has Katie Price/Jordan's balloons taking up half the page?

Before you swallow any tidbit you get out of the DM, I do recommend you hit Google and search at least two other sources for your tidbit.

e BBC is known to be a better source for less 'groomed' news. It is a blander bit of reading I admit, most true sources of journalism are.

Aoidoi · 1st October 2009, 12:51 PM

Dr. Gordon Freeman?

uk_dave · 1st October 2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Aoidoi

Dr. Gordon Freeman?

Follow him.

drkitten · 1st October 2009, 12:57 PM

I must admit I'd love to see this little titbit unpacked.

Originally Posted by Especially

Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1.

That's a very firm statement. Perhaps one of the Brits on this forum -- perhaps even Especially himself -- could provide me with a copy of the text of the Constitution of England so I could verify it for myself? Ideally, they could tell me which particular sentence or clause in this document makes this action illegal.

ETA: Of course, that's a lot of work. But I'm willing to play fairly. If he gives me that, I'll send him a recording of Beethoven's thirteenth symphony. [You know, the one that goes "Dum dum dumb dumb DUMB (dumb dumb)"....]

Professor Yaffle · 1st October 2009, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Aoidoi

Dr. Gordon Freeman?

Nah, Freeman's catalogue.

Gord_in_Toronto · 1st October 2009, 01:00 PM

I did not see a smiley on the OP. Here. Let me add one.

dudalb · 1st October 2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Aoidoi

Dr. Gordon Freeman?

Anti Citizen #1.

Papermache · 1st October 2009, 01:04 PM

Oh, yeah --

"Welcome to JREF"

JHGRedekop · 1st October 2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Especially

Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history).

And if there's a fringe on the flag, it's an Admiralty court, so you don't have to pay taxes!

fromdownunder · 1st October 2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Especially

Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law.

Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them.

The real heart of the FOTL movement is right here. They do not wish to pay their share of public infrastructure, but want to continue to use it, and believe the invocation of "the magic words" frees them from all responsibility.

BTW, there is a small FOTL movement in Australia, and their main concern judging from a BB I sometimes look at, is how to avoid paying for things. The one common factor about all FOTLers. They are leeches.

Norm

funk de fino · 1st October 2009, 02:02 PM

I say we encourage them to carry on and eventually they will be clogging up the jails.

Then we can have a little giggle at them.

I bet he cannot bring any excerpts from the English Constitution.

uk_dave · 1st October 2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by fromdownunder

...... is how to avoid paying for things. The one common factor about all FOTLers. They are leeches.

Norm

Exactly.

I wonder if alot of these people get into the woo because they have fallen foul of their country's tax regime. It might be that they made a semi-honest mistake or they tried to play the system because they just didn't want to pay tax, but then they get caught and all of a sudden they go looking for a 'get out of jail free' card or a conspiracy behind the tax system they are in trouble with.

Perhaps the tax authorities indulge them a little to begin with, in order to not be seen to be acting harshly against someone who may have made an honest mistake. But in doing so, it's possible that they inadvertently encourage the woo thinking by allowing the tax non-payer to believe that there is some merit in the arguments they are proposing.

And from this sorry state of affairs it's not too difficult a leap to believing in global conspiracies involving secret societies/religious sects/political ideologies, all working behind the scenes to make sure that the judicial system and the media don't take their claims seriously.

And if that all powerful NWO is capable of all this, then perhaps they're also capable of murder and false flag attacks and chemtrails and ...... and...... TAX!

mythstifieD · 1st October 2009, 03:06 PM

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With the waning 9/11 conspiracy movement and the rising NWO conspiracy movement, FOTL is gaining a lot of popularity these days (at least in my neck of the woods).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...55&postcount=1

I feel prophetic... LOL

mythstifieD · 1st October 2009, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by geni

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We don't believe in political parties.

There is a fair amount of evidence that they exist.

Congrats! My first, authentic, ROFLMAO from the JREF

I think my coworkers think I'm crazy!

PS. No offense Horatius, your comics are pretty LOL as well

Lothian · 1st October 2009, 03:57 PM

Fact 1 is wrong - No constitution
Fact 2 is wrong - Statutes require royal ascent not public ascent.

There is no such thing as the new world order that is plainly stupid. The reptilians wouldn't allow it.

Lothian · 1st October 2009, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Especially

My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England !

For an anti EU thread it is ironic that you choose to introduce yourself with a line stolen from the Eurovision song contest.

Soapy Sam · 1st October 2009, 04:40 PM

Last I heard the Cross of St. George was generally accepted as the "English Flag", as the Saltire is the flag of Scotland. The Union Jack is the mongrel UK version.

Rolfe · 1st October 2009, 04:47 PM

I'm not really sure which flag he's talking about anyway. Last time I looked, most village churches in England were flying the St. George's Cross all the time, and everybody and his mate has their houses and cars bedecked with the thing whenever England get within sniffing distance of any international football final. The Last Night of the Proms usually has quite a few on display too.

I doubt very much if the OP has even visited England. I wonder if he'll return to this thread?

Hey, Especially, can you tell where my location is from the information given below my avatar? PM me if you work it out.

That might be a good test.

Rolfe.

geni · 1st October 2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

Last I heard the Cross of St. George was generally accepted as the "English Flag", as the Saltire is the flag of Scotland. The Union Jack is the mongrel UK version.

However that isn't supported by the actual law. While I have no idea what the legal status of the saltire is neither england or the UK strickly speaking have an official flag. There is a royal standard of the united kingdom but that is rather different and there still hasn't been a royal standard of england in centuries.

Elizabeth I · 1st October 2009, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by patchbunny

I simply feel the need to pop in here and point out every single time I see the phrase "FOTL woo" my mind interprets it as "faster than light woo", and for a brief instant I wonder why they're bringing cosmology into a discussion of government.

Anyway, back to the show.

Every time I see "FOTLer" I think it says "footler,", which is actually pretty appropriate if you think about it.

The Big Dog · 1st October 2009, 07:48 PM

I will gladly sell to anyone who has $25 (american) a Constitution of England.

Suddenly · 1st October 2009, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

I'm not really sure which flag he's talking about anyway. Last time I looked, most village churches in England were flying the St. George's Cross all the time, and everybody and his mate has their houses and cars bedecked with the thing whenever England get within sniffing distance of any international football final. The Last Night of the Proms usually has quite a few on display too.

If the analogy to the US version holds, perhaps that cross is off by 90 degrees.

Some of the US freemen types claim that the US flag with horizontal stripes is actually a solely military flag, so anyone displaying it is under non-common law jurisdiction and so on. The real "flag of peace" has vertical stripes.

As I recall, one basis for this belief comes from a passage in Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, so... well...

Anyway, maybe the "real" flag has the cross longer vertically than horizontally...

fromdownunder · 1st October 2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by 16.5

I will gladly sell to anyone who has $25 (american) a Constitution of England.

I will gladly give you 25 cents tomorrow for a Hamburger today.

Norm

Wildy · 1st October 2009, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

BTW In answer to one of Espicially more "interesting" points, hasn't taking an Oath to the Monarch been a requirement for taking a seat in Parliament since the Middle Ages in England?????? Why is it so sinister now?

Because you use your left hand to take the oath?

Nosi · 2nd October 2009, 12:32 AM

Oh dear, I'm feeling WOOsy...

1st October 2009, 10:59 AM	#1
Especially Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 667	The Freeman Movement and England My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England ! There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites, paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union. The television and printed media here is completely controlled and the state of law and order is not good. The reason I'm posting is to introduce you to the Freeman movement here. What do I mean by 'Freeman' movement ? I mean, simply, that things are not what they seem in this country. Our Parliament is little more than a theatre. Political parties are elected by the people and the political system is headed up by a dynasty of elites, the Monarchy. 'What's new ?' you might ask ? Well, the political candidates are all elected by the people. But on Day 1 of sitting in the Parliament they must swear an oath. To who ? To the Monarchy. Now, notice this closely. They do NOT swear an oath to the nation, or to the people who elected them. No, they swear an oath to the 'head of state'. To the elite dynasty of the Windsors. The same unelected 'head of state' who has agreed that England should become part of the EU empire. Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1. Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history). But the public here hardly know what real law is. They believe all the stuff coming out of Parliament is Law. More and more 'laws' are being passed which make people confused about what the law really is. This ignorance is also found in the police. Who hardly know the difference between these Statutes of Parliament and the Laws. And we have more and more people now who are confused. Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law. Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them. All politicians in England are now hypocrites. And a shadow government now rules over much of the UK. The 'New World Order' is not a conspiracy theory but a plain fact. Supported by the puppets now in Westminster's parliament. In a few months from now the EU will take over the government of this nation. And this was done without giving the people of England a vote on European integration ! Imagine that ! Imagine the USA joining in a union with, say, Canada when the people do not get to vote about it ! But its already happened here. It is now not acceptable to fly the national flag of England here. The police here can and do ask you to remove it. There are, today, 9 regional government offices of the EU in England. England, as a nation, does not exist. It's shortly to become only a region of the European Union. There is great concern here in the UK at all of the evils which are done in the name of our government and people are at last fighting back. They are refusing to pay tax bills for services which they do not negotiate. They are switching off the state media channels and are not voting for these hypocrite political parties in Westminster. They are taking back control of their own lives. Because we know the elite families and the elitist bankers are all hypocrites. In the USA the banker bailouts were very unpopular. Same here in England. The Freeman movement are not anarchists. We are people who rely on the real law of England. English Common Law. Not on commercial statutes produced by the Westminster elites in Parliament. Our policemen have become like revenue collecting officers. They should be defending the Common Law. That was their duty. But this has all changed. Our police today are corporate agents to fine you, to bill you, to collect bucks for their employers. And more and more people in England consider themselves to be free of the system of Parliament. We don't believe in political parties. We don't believe in the EU, or the promises of politicians. We don't believe in the bankers or the globalist movement. And we are no more fooled by the 'laws' coming out of Parliament which are, as already said, only 'statutes' and which require the consent of the governed to be binding on us. The commercial law has infiltrated and taken over good government and we are fighting back in the best possible way. By appealing in our courts to the Common Law of England. The real England. Regards
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1st October 2009, 11:28 AM	#3
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 59,856	Originally Posted by Especially My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England ! There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites, paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union. Do tell more about this New World Order, I never heard of it before.
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1st October 2009, 11:54 AM	#7
Kay Scholar Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 116	Originally Posted by WildCat Do tell more about this New World Order, I never heard of it before. Do not deny your existence, member #457384. We are always watching you.
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1st October 2009, 11:55 AM	#8
Donal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,272	I'm wondering if this is just an American Freeman trying to rile up some European support, or make a ham fisted attempt at drawing a parallel.
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1st October 2009, 12:02 PM	#10
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 8,154	Originally Posted by Suddenly I am perturbed at his selection of an adverb for a screen name though. I suspect that the 'E' is the most relevant part.
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1st October 2009, 11:25 AM	#2
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 21,629	Originally Posted by Especially My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England ! There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. There are lots of things I might care to know about the UK these days. Unfortunately, none of them are contained in your posting, because not a single sentence of your post was actually true. We've got a special "conspiracy theory" forum for this sort of thing, and the "Freemen" movement has been discussed to death in that forum. It (the "Freemen" movement) is total drivel from start to finish. I have asked the mods to move this to the appropriate spot.

1st October 2009, 11:30 AM	#4
Architect Chief Punkah Wallah Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 9,703	Welcome. However, I have to warn you that this is a sceptic site and hence you will be expected to defend your claims in depth. Especially as there are a lot of us from the UK here. Incidentally, you to have some difficulty in understanding the difference between ""England" and the "UK", which is peculiar for a British resident.
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1st October 2009, 11:45 AM	#5
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 28,185	Originally Posted by Especially My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England ! Please. No one who was really from london would call it that. Quote: There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites, And this a problem why? Quote: paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our Feel free to show the existance of such payments. Quote: national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union. The television and printed media here is completely controlled Not consistent with the number of attacks the papers launch on the goverment and the EU. Quote: and the state of law and order is not good. Better than they have been in centuries. Quote: The reason I'm posting is to introduce you to the Freeman movement here. Yeah this is the JREF forum we kinda already know about that bunk. Quote: What do I mean by 'Freeman' movement ? I mean, simply, that things are not what they seem in this country. Our Parliament is little more than a theatre. Political parties are elected by the people and the political system is headed up by a dynasty of elites, the Monarchy. 'What's new ?' you might ask ? Well, the political candidates are all elected by the people. But on Day 1 of sitting in the Parliament they must swear an oath. To who ? To the Monarchy. Now, notice this closely. They do NOT swear an oath to the nation, or to the people who elected them. No, they swear an oath to the 'head of state'. To the elite dynasty of the Windsors. Saxe-Coburg and Gotha perhaps. Quote: The same unelected 'head of state' who has agreed that England should become part of the EU empire. 1)The EU is not an empire 2)There is no evidence that the royal family particularly support the EU Quote: Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1. England doesn't have a Constitution and hasn't existed as a sovereign nation either since about 1543 or 1707 depening on how you measure these things. Quote: Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. Nope. Constitionaly within both england and the UK parliment is absolute. It can order your exicution without your consent/ Quote: In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history). Um no. Common law does not predate 1066 and for the most part formed somewhat latter than that. Quote: But the public here hardly know what real law is. They believe all the stuff coming out of Parliament is Law. More and more 'laws' are being passed which make people confused about what the law really is. This ignorance is also found in the police. Who hardly know the difference between these Statutes of Parliament and the Laws. And we have more and more people now who are confused. Statutory law is constituionaly valid within the UK Quote: Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law. Actualy common law is very much about standing behind your actions. The police would have every right to know who you are and challange you to trial by combat (amoung other options since they represent the state trial by ordeal would also be an option) if they felt your actions to be unlawful. Quote: Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them. Laws of england and wales. No consent is required. Quote: All politicians in England are now hypocrites. How is Lembit Opik a hypocrite? I don't think he has ever pretended not to be interested in atractive women. Quote: In a few months from now the EU will take over the government of this nation. And this was done without giving the people of England a vote on European integration Referendums have no precedent under common law. Quote: ! Imagine that ! Imagine the USA joining in a union with, say, Canada when the people do not get to vote about it ! But its already happened here. I seem to recall the US settled the issue through a civil war the last time it came up. Quote: It is now not acceptable to fly the national flag of England here. There is no national flag of England. Quote: The Freeman movement are not anarchists. We are people who rely on the real law of England. English Common Law. The low attence at fencing and quaterstaff classes is not consistent with this. Quote: Not on commercial statutes produced by the Westminster elites in Parliament. Our policemen have become like revenue collecting officers. They should be defending the Common Law. That doesn't even make sense. The closest historic common law comes to police would be coroners and their job is to keep the peace of the crown. Quote: And more and more people in England consider themselves to be free of the system of Parliament. So you answer dirrectly to the crown? Law by Royal Decree still exists in some countries but would seem an odd position for someone in the UK to take Quote: We don't believe in political parties. There is a fair amount of evidence that they exist. Quote: We don't believe in the EU, or the promises of politicians. We don't believe in the bankers or the globalist movement. Oh I see. Common law banking. You want jews to do all the banking. Well I suppose if we shipped most of isreal into the city of london it might solve some middle east issues. Quote: And we are no more fooled by the 'laws' coming out of Parliament which are, as already said, only 'statutes' and which require the consent of the governed to be binding on us. Statue law in adition to law by royal decree is confirmed as acceptable under common law by multiple court ruleings.

1st October 2009, 11:52 AM	#6
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 48,250	Originally Posted by Especially My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England ! There are a number of things you might care to know about the UK these days. And they are all quite serious. First is the fact that our government (so-called) are a bunch of hypocrites, paid stooges of the globalist 'New World Order' and that our national sovereignty is only a few months away from being surrendered to the European Union. The television and printed media here is completely controlled and the state of law and order is not good. The reason I'm posting is to introduce you to the Freeman movement here. What do I mean by 'Freeman' movement ? I mean, simply, that things are not what they seem in this country. Our Parliament is little more than a theatre. Political parties are elected by the people and the political system is headed up by a dynasty of elites, the Monarchy. 'What's new ?' you might ask ? Well, the political candidates are all elected by the people. But on Day 1 of sitting in the Parliament they must swear an oath. To who ? To the Monarchy. Now, notice this closely. They do NOT swear an oath to the nation, or to the people who elected them. No, they swear an oath to the 'head of state'. To the elite dynasty of the Windsors. The same unelected 'head of state' who has agreed that England should become part of the EU empire. Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1. Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history). But the public here hardly know what real law is. They believe all the stuff coming out of Parliament is Law. More and more 'laws' are being passed which make people confused about what the law really is. This ignorance is also found in the police. Who hardly know the difference between these Statutes of Parliament and the Laws. And we have more and more people now who are confused. Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law. Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them. All politicians in England are now hypocrites. And a shadow government now rules over much of the UK. The 'New World Order' is not a conspiracy theory but a plain fact. Supported by the puppets now in Westminster's parliament. In a few months from now the EU will take over the government of this nation. And this was done without giving the people of England a vote on European integration ! Imagine that ! Imagine the USA joining in a union with, say, Canada when the people do not get to vote about it ! But its already happened here. It is now not acceptable to fly the national flag of England here. The police here can and do ask you to remove it. There are, today, 9 regional government offices of the EU in England. England, as a nation, does not exist. It's shortly to become only a region of the European Union. There is great concern here in the UK at all of the evils which are done in the name of our government and people are at last fighting back. They are refusing to pay tax bills for services which they do not negotiate. They are switching off the state media channels and are not voting for these hypocrite political parties in Westminster. They are taking back control of their own lives. Because we know the elite families and the elitist bankers are all hypocrites. In the USA the banker bailouts were very unpopular. Same here in England. The Freeman movement are not anarchists. We are people who rely on the real law of England. English Common Law. Not on commercial statutes produced by the Westminster elites in Parliament. Our policemen have become like revenue collecting officers. They should be defending the Common Law. That was their duty. But this has all changed. Our police today are corporate agents to fine you, to bill you, to collect bucks for their employers. And more and more people in England consider themselves to be free of the system of Parliament. We don't believe in political parties. We don't believe in the EU, or the promises of politicians. We don't believe in the bankers or the globalist movement. And we are no more fooled by the 'laws' coming out of Parliament which are, as already said, only 'statutes' and which require the consent of the governed to be binding on us. The commercial law has infiltrated and taken over good government and we are fighting back in the best possible way. By appealing in our courts to the Common Law of England. The real England. Regards Nice to know that the US is not the only country with "Freeman" wackjobs.

1st October 2009, 11:56 AM	#9
Suddenly No Punting Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Not In Follansbee Posts: 3,779	Originally Posted by dudalb Nice to know that the US is not the only country with "Freeman" wackjobs. My thought exactly. This post has made me feel better about America for some reason. I am perturbed at his selection of an adverb for a screen name though.

1st October 2009, 12:07 PM	#11
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 28,185	Originally Posted by dudalb Nice to know that the US is not the only country with "Freeman" wackjobs. Indeed but in this case the US import has serious problems. There's no obvious clean break from where you can claim laws and the executive used to be legit but are not any more. The magna carter would appear to be the cloest but it isn't the first time english kings agreed to restrictions on their action and in any case trying to argue that all post manga carter law is not legit is problematical. 1707 act of union much be another option but would hit the issue that by 1706 things that at least looked like modern courts and statue law certianly existed. 1066 sort of works but hits issues with being urealistic. The other problem is that you can't really seperate the law from the executive in the UK. The queen is constitionaly the Fount of Justice a role held by the monarch since at least the middle of the 13th century. There is also the issue that what passes for the constitution in the UK and historicaly england is so messy that there is almost no short statement about it that can be made that cannot be shown to be false.

1st October 2009, 12:10 PM	#12
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 48,250	BTW In answer to one of Espicially more "interesting" points, hasn't taking an Oath to the Monarch been a requirement for taking a seat in Parliament since the Middle Ages in England?????? Why is it so sinister now?

1st October 2009, 12:18 PM	#13
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,583	My goodness, it looks like the FOTL woo movement is going to be the next big thing in woo with all the attention its gotten on this board. I guess the attraction to Freeman delusions makes sense - in tough economic times, people need someone to scapegoat and FOTL woo offers very good targets. It also provides a sense of empowerment - that with just the utterance of a few magical legal woo words, that the court system and government will bow down to YOUR demands. It makes people believe they have a part in the imagined role of "the elite" versus the freeman followers. In reality no such "elite" exists, at least not in any organized fashion. The truth is those with power and money could care less about freeman wooists or anyone else, and they certainly don't coordinate to keep you down. The main woo argument from those suffering from the Freeman delusion is this whole "common law vs. statute" thing. It doesn't exist in reality. There is no sort of artificial barrier between the two. Both are used in the UK (and US) legal systems, and both are equally valid.

1st October 2009, 12:18 PM	#14
Agatha Winking at the Moon Deputy Admin Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 13,625	Dear oh dear. Come back when you have learned about the "constitution of England" to which you refer. You know, the one which doesn't exist. Oh, and do please show evidence of police preventing St George flags being flown. Will they be the ones flown on cars on the rare occasions England is doing well at football, rugby or cricket? Or the ones flown on civic buildings throughout England? Or the ones pinned up in house and shop windows? Have they been forcibly removed by police?
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1st October 2009, 12:30 PM	#15
patchbunny Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Right about... here. Posts: 1,853	Originally Posted by LightinDarkness My goodness, it looks like the FOTL woo movement is going to be the next big thing in woo with all the attention its gotten on this board. I guess the attraction to Freeman delusions makes sense - in tough economic times, people need someone to scapegoat and FOTL woo offers very good targets. I simply feel the need to pop in here and point out every single time I see the phrase "FOTL woo" my mind interprets it as "faster than light woo", and for a brief instant I wonder why they're bringing cosmology into a discussion of government. Anyway, back to the show.
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1st October 2009, 12:45 PM	#16
Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,830	Just a quick note: The Daily Mail is a fun bit to read. However, they fudge the news, leaving some truths out, and alter others, and um, they have been known to fib here and there. Then again, what do you expect from a magazine that has Katie Price/Jordan's balloons taking up half the page? Before you swallow any tidbit you get out of the DM, I do recommend you hit Google and search at least two other sources for your tidbit. e BBC is known to be a better source for less 'groomed' news. It is a blander bit of reading I admit, most true sources of journalism are.
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1st October 2009, 12:51 PM	#17
Aoidoi Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,654	Dr. Gordon Freeman?
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1st October 2009, 12:52 PM	#18
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 8,154	Originally Posted by Aoidoi Dr. Gordon Freeman? Follow him.
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1st October 2009, 12:57 PM	#19
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 21,629	I must admit I'd love to see this little titbit unpacked. Originally Posted by Especially Now, that's illegal. It's illegal (according to the Constitution of England) to negotiate with any foreign power on our own national sovereignty. That's point number 1. That's a very firm statement. Perhaps one of the Brits on this forum -- perhaps even Especially himself -- could provide me with a copy of the text of the Constitution of England so I could verify it for myself? Ideally, they could tell me which particular sentence or clause in this document makes this action illegal. ETA: Of course, that's a lot of work. But I'm willing to play fairly. If he gives me that, I'll send him a recording of Beethoven's thirteenth symphony. [You know, the one that goes "Dum dum dumb dumb DUMB (dumb dumb)"....]
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1st October 2009, 01:00 PM	#20
Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 17,613	Originally Posted by Aoidoi Dr. Gordon Freeman? Nah, Freeman's catalogue.
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1st October 2009, 01:00 PM	#21
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 19,473	I did not see a smiley on the OP. Here. Let me add one.
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1st October 2009, 01:03 PM	#22
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 48,250	Originally Posted by Aoidoi Dr. Gordon Freeman? Anti Citizen #1.

1st October 2009, 01:04 PM	#23
Papermache Thinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 176	Oh, yeah -- "Welcome to JREF"
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1st October 2009, 01:32 PM	#24
JHGRedekop Student Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 29	Originally Posted by Especially Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history). And if there's a fringe on the flag, it's an Admiralty court, so you don't have to pay taxes!
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1st October 2009, 01:47 PM	#25
fromdownunder Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,631	Originally Posted by Especially Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law. Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them. The real heart of the FOTL movement is right here. They do not wish to pay their share of public infrastructure, but want to continue to use it, and believe the invocation of "the magic words" frees them from all responsibility. BTW, there is a small FOTL movement in Australia, and their main concern judging from a BB I sometimes look at, is how to avoid paying for things. The one common factor about all FOTLers. They are leeches. Norm

1st October 2009, 02:02 PM	#26
funk de fino Dreaming of unicorns Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UAE Posts: 11,938	I say we encourage them to carry on and eventually they will be clogging up the jails. Then we can have a little giggle at them. I bet he cannot bring any excerpts from the English Constitution.
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1st October 2009, 02:03 PM	#27
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 8,154	Originally Posted by fromdownunder ...... is how to avoid paying for things. The one common factor about all FOTLers. They are leeches. Norm Exactly. I wonder if alot of these people get into the woo because they have fallen foul of their country's tax regime. It might be that they made a semi-honest mistake or they tried to play the system because they just didn't want to pay tax, but then they get caught and all of a sudden they go looking for a 'get out of jail free' card or a conspiracy behind the tax system they are in trouble with. Perhaps the tax authorities indulge them a little to begin with, in order to not be seen to be acting harshly against someone who may have made an honest mistake. But in doing so, it's possible that they inadvertently encourage the woo thinking by allowing the tax non-payer to believe that there is some merit in the arguments they are proposing. And from this sorry state of affairs it's not too difficult a leap to believing in global conspiracies involving secret societies/religious sects/political ideologies, all working behind the scenes to make sure that the judicial system and the media don't take their claims seriously. And if that all powerful NWO is capable of all this, then perhaps they're also capable of murder and false flag attacks and chemtrails and ...... and...... TAX!
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1st October 2009, 03:06 PM	#28
mythstifieD Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 386	Quote: With the waning 9/11 conspiracy movement and the rising NWO conspiracy movement, FOTL is gaining a lot of popularity these days (at least in my neck of the woods). http://www.internationalskeptics.com...55&postcount=1 I feel prophetic... LOL
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1st October 2009, 03:32 PM	#29
mythstifieD Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 386	Originally Posted by geni Quote: Quote: We don't believe in political parties. There is a fair amount of evidence that they exist. Congrats! My first, authentic, ROFLMAO from the JREF I think my coworkers think I'm crazy! PS. No offense Horatius, your comics are pretty LOL as well
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1st October 2009, 03:57 PM	#30
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 15,560	Fact 1 is wrong - No constitution Fact 2 is wrong - Statutes require royal ascent not public ascent. There is no such thing as the new world order that is plainly stupid. The reptilians wouldn't allow it.

1st October 2009, 04:05 PM	#31
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 15,560	Originally Posted by Especially My first major thread here. Greetings from London, England ! For an anti EU thread it is ironic that you choose to introduce yourself with a line stolen from the Eurovision song contest.

1st October 2009, 04:40 PM	#32
Soapy Sam Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 28,751	Last I heard the Cross of St. George was generally accepted as the "English Flag", as the Saltire is the flag of Scotland. The Union Jack is the mongrel UK version.

1st October 2009, 04:47 PM	#33
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 45,550	I'm not really sure which flag he's talking about anyway. Last time I looked, most village churches in England were flying the St. George's Cross all the time, and everybody and his mate has their houses and cars bedecked with the thing whenever England get within sniffing distance of any international football final. The Last Night of the Proms usually has quite a few on display too. I doubt very much if the OP has even visited England. I wonder if he'll return to this thread? Hey, Especially, can you tell where my location is from the information given below my avatar? PM me if you work it out. That might be a good test. Rolfe.
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1st October 2009, 05:46 PM	#34
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 28,185	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam Last I heard the Cross of St. George was generally accepted as the "English Flag", as the Saltire is the flag of Scotland. The Union Jack is the mongrel UK version. However that isn't supported by the actual law. While I have no idea what the legal status of the saltire is neither england or the UK strickly speaking have an official flag. There is a royal standard of the united kingdom but that is rather different and there still hasn't been a royal standard of england in centuries.

1st October 2009, 07:25 PM	#35
Elizabeth I Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,930	Originally Posted by patchbunny I simply feel the need to pop in here and point out every single time I see the phrase "FOTL woo" my mind interprets it as "faster than light woo", and for a brief instant I wonder why they're bringing cosmology into a discussion of government. Anyway, back to the show. Every time I see "FOTLer" I think it says "footler,", which is actually pretty appropriate if you think about it.