Truthers and anti-Semitism

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By now we're all familiar with the well-documented Jew haters in the truther ranks like the American Free Press, Christopher Bollyn, Eric Hufschmid, and those who spread the story about how 4,000 Jews didn't show up to work at the WTC on 9/11.

While the reaction of most truthers is to dismiss these people as crackpots, racists or "disinfo" (unless you're DR Griffin in which case you quote them in your books), it's hard to see why truthers are so quick to throw these people overboard.

I mean given what truthers believe, how can they NOT suspect the Jews?

The essence of most conspiracy theories is that there is a small group of powerful people who manipulate world events in order to:

- make money
- kill people
- plunge the world into war and chaos
- unite the world under a single flag
- all of the above

Now consider the fact that Jews are a relatively small group of people (15 million worldwide) who tend to place great emphasis on education and person success.

This has resulted in Jews being a very academic, educated, successful and organized people. They are disproportionately represented in fields like business, finance, banking, politics, science, academia, entertainment, media etc. - every field that you'd need in order to influence world events and pull off some vast diabolical plot.

Seriously - the Jews embody everything that a conspiracy calls for!

With such positions of influence in so many fields, it's no wonder why conspiracy theorists have been "connecting the dots" for centuries and blaming the Jews for all that goes wrong in the world.

I've personally talked to truthers who rant against the Rothschilds, "the bankers," and "the elites" but when asked to define "them" there's an awkward silence. It's as if we both know what he wants to say, but he knows how bad it sounds.

The well-known Jew-haters in the TM aren't some sort of abberation or fringe group. Their beliefs are the logical outcome of the twisted mindset that truthers have.
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Why is no one blaming the Chinese Baptists? They're a sneaky bunch I tell ya!
 
Now one of the favorite new tactics is to call it Zionism and claim it's not anti-Semitic. They're still racist scum when they make those claims.
 
CHF said:
By now we're all familiar with the well-documented Jew haters in the truther ranks like the American Free Press, Christopher Bollyn, Eric Hufschmid, and those who spread the story about how 4,000 Jews didn't show up to work at the WTC on 9/11.

While the reaction of most truthers is to dismiss these people as crackpots, racists or "disinfo" (unless you're DR Griffin in which case you quote them in your books), it's hard to see why truthers are so quick to throw these people overboard.

I mean given what truthers believe, how can they NOT suspect the Jews?

The essence of most conspiracy theories is that there is a small group of powerful people who manipulate world events in order to:

- make money
- kill people
- plunge the world into war and chaos
- unite the world under a single flag
- all of the above

Now consider the fact that Jews are a relatively small group of people (15 million worldwide) who tend to place great emphasis on education and person success.

This has resulted in Jews being a very academic, educated, successful and organized people. They are disproportionately represented in fields like business, finance, banking, politics, science, academia, entertainment, media etc. - every field that you'd need in order to influence world events and pull off some vast diabolical plot.

Seriously - the Jews embody everything that a conspiracy calls for!

With such positions of influence in so many fields, it's no wonder why conspiracy theorists have been "connecting the dots" for centuries and blaming the Jews for all that goes wrong in the world.

I've personally talked to truthers who rant against the Rothschilds, "the bankers," and "the elites" but when asked to define "them" there's an awkward silence. It's as if we both know what he wants to say, but he knows how bad it sounds.

The well-known Jew-haters in the TM aren't some sort of abberation or fringe group. Their beliefs are the logical outcome of the twisted mindset that truthers have.
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So is the bulk of the truth movement is based in anti-Semitism? Okay. Thanks for the debunking. It's all so simple now.
 
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I've long wondered why the Jews always get fingered, instead of, say, the Scots. After all, I think we, um, I mean they, have just as much claim to be running everything.
 
Algebra34 said:
So is the bulk of the truth movement is based in anti-Semitism? Okay. Thanks for the debunking. It's all so simple now.
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Not the bulk, but certainly a good chunk of its foundation.

Why do you think there are so many prominent Jew haters in the TM ranks, Aldebra34?

Why have Jews been at the center of so many conspiracy theories over the centuries?

It makes perfect sense when you consider what the mind of a conspiracy theorist looks for.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
That's how it started. The ignorance trickled down and a few people from the education-deprived south started believing it.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4863651&postcount=36
http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html
http://www.public-action.com/
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Didn't start that way with me. You're not generalizing or stereotyping now are you? Because that's not nice.

When I first heard them on 9/11 insinuate it was middle eastern terrorists I thought it was kind of racist to do so before anyone knew anything. I remembered the same thing happened with Oklahoma City with the first reports. We all know how that turned out. Someone from INSIDE this country. INSIDE.
 
Algebra34 said:
When I first heard them on 9/11 insinuate it was middle eastern terrorists I thought it was kind of racist to do so before anyone knew anything. I remembered the same thing happened with Oklahoma City with the first reports. We all know how that turned out. Someone from INSIDE this country. INSIDE.
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People from INSIDE this country did 9/11 too. They were INSIDE the United States. That's how they hijacked the planes INSIDE this country and crashed them into targets INSIDE this country.
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Didn't start that way with me. You're not generalizing or stereotyping now are you? Because that's not nice.
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I'm not stereotyping, I'm going by the evidence presented. I have every reason to believe you are uneducated and from the South.
 
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Algebra34 said:
Didn't start that way with me. You're not generalizing or stereotyping now are you? Because that's not nice.

When I first heard them on 9/11 insinuate it was middle eastern terrorists I thought it was kind of racist to do so before anyone knew anything. I remembered the same thing happened with Oklahoma City with the first reports. We all know how that turned out. Someone from INSIDE this country. INSIDE.
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You mean the guy that thought the goverment was being taken over by the NWO and the Bilderberg Group? The guy that killed 167 people because of a conspiracy theory?
 
CHF said:
Not the bulk, but certainly a good chunk of its foundation.

Why do you think there are so many prominent Jew haters in the TM ranks, Aldebra34?

Why have Jews been at the center of so many conspiracy theories over the centuries?

It makes perfect sense when you consider what the mind of a conspiracy theorist looks for.
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I think there are just a lot of Jew haters in general. Isn't that what all the suffering has been about for ages now? 9/11 is an oportunity for them. It doesn't mean just because someone like me has questions about 9/11 that I'm in the same ranks as them or that they are what got me questioning it in the first place.

Think of it this way. Some KKK are Republicans. So what?
 
Algebra34 said:
When I first heard them on 9/11 insinuate it was middle eastern terrorists I thought it was kind of racist to do so before anyone knew anything.
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As soon as I saw that second plane slam into the South Tower I immediately thought of which group was most likely to launch a such a suicide attack.

It came down to a logical choice of either: Japanese Kamikaze (long out of business), Tamil Tigers (too busy with Sri Lanka), or the Islamic fundamentalists who had been launching suicide attacks on US targets since 1983.

I thought it was pretty obvious which was most likely and, lo and behold, I was right.

At least I thought I was right, until I saw the brilliant option that brave trutherseekers like yourself came up with.

You know...the option of the planes actually being diverted to a secret airfield, and then airphone calls being faked in order to ID Arab hijackers, and then remote control planes being used to hit the towers, which were then demolished using bombs and a side order of nanothermite, all of which was followed by fake "Islamic terrorists" praising the attacks and threatening more.

I think there are just a lot of Jew haters in general. Isn't that what all the suffering has been about for ages now? 9/11 is an oportunity for them. It doesn't mean just because someone like me has questions about 9/11 that I'm in the same ranks as them or that they are what got me questioning it in the first place.
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I never said you were in the same rank as the Jew-haters. But have you at any point wondered why there are so many of them in the TM? What is it about 9/11 truth that seems to draw them like moths to a flame? And, most importantly, why have they been so warmly received?
 
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R.Mackey said:
I've long wondered why the Jews always get fingered, instead of, say, the Scots. After all, I think we, um, I mean they, have just as much claim to be running everything.
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The blaming of Jews has been going on for centuries and ages. It's mostly been a religious battle. It's interesting to read how many things have been blamed on Jews.

They've been blamed for killing Jesus, having magical powers from making a deal with the Devil, etc. Jews were restricted to marginal occupations. Lending money for interest was a sin for Christians, but this restriction did not apply to Jews, so they were motivated to take up money lending and tax collecting. This naturally lead to the origins of negative stereotypes of greedy Jews, which originate from the middle ages.

Also, the Black Death was said to have been caused by the Jews by deliberately poisoning wells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Europe_(Middle_Ages)

Blame it on the Jews has a looooooooong history. And it still continues.
 
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TheBigKahuna said:
Now one of the favorite new tactics is to call it Zionism and claim it's not anti-Semitic. They're still racist scum when they make those claims.
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That's the one subject they don't want you to confront them with because it exposes them for the close-minded bigots they really are.

Take this site (which my son showed me a few years ago) for example, which holds itself up as being at the frontline of the self-styled "truth movement":

h**p://forum.concen.org/index.php?showtopic=30294

A thread about comedy kike bashing.

h**p://forum.concen.org/index.php?showforum=46

A specialised Zionist sub-forum, because they don't want to keep using the word Jew in case it upsets their web-host.

and even this,

h**p://forum.concen.org/index.php?showtopic=14598

A whole thread initiated by someone who appears to be a neo-nazi that gets pinned for everyone to use as a reference source.

If it wasn't so vomit-inducing it'd be comical.

There is also a complete shortage of sceptics on the site to counter-balance the bullsh*t. It seems (from my reading) to have the complete spectrum of woo from holocaust denial, anti-vaccine paranoia, illuminati bloodlines, Icke's rantings, Jones's fear-mongering to Von Daniken and hollow earthers. All wrapped up in a thick blanket of scientific and historical ignorance/blindness.

Check it out and let me know what you think. :)
 
CHF said:
While the reaction of most truthers is to dismiss these people as crackpots, racists or "disinfo" (unless you're DR Griffin in which case you quote them in your books), it's hard to see why truthers are so quick to throw these people overboard.
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CHF said:
But have you at any point wondered why there are so many of them in the TM? What is it about 9/11 truth that seems to draw them like moths to a flame? And, most importantly, why have they been so warmly received?
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You admit that most truthers dismiss them as crackpots (etc) .. but then you're wondering why they're so warmly received?

Funny!
 
R.Mackey said:
I've long wondered why the Jews always get fingered, instead of, say, the Scots. After all, I think we, um, I mean they, have just as much claim to be running everything.
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We do run everything. As you have now revealed everything to the World, I am going to have you pusued by a Tartan helicopter, which will eliminate you in a terribly unfortunate, haggis related "suicide".

No one messes with the MIK (Men in Kilts)
 
CHF said:
I never said you were in the same rank as the Jew-haters. But have you at any point wondered why there are so many of them in the TM? What is it about 9/11 truth that seems to draw them like moths to a flame? And, most importantly, why have they been so warmly received?
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I'm not sure which sums it up better...

"My enemy's enemy is my friend"

...or...

"Any port in a storm"
 
deep said:
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You admit that most truthers dismiss them as crackpots (etc) .. but then you're wondering why they're so warmly received?

Funny!
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And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
 
RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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No one said it was those that merely question the events of 9/11. (Now whose guilty of conflation?) We're talking about the Truth Movement here, a distinction which was clearly made in the OP.
 
RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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CITATION NEEDED.

Anyhow, this is just part 4000 in Red's Series of "I am better than other truthers and you guys are big meanies for lumping me in with them."
 
RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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Yeah, the deja vu is strong on this one. What was the last CHF thread about, you know, the last one in a series of threads where he was told that his line of thought is silly because there is no official "truth movement" you can be a member of, therefore that nonexisting organisation isn't able to "clean their ranks" at all? Holocaust deniers? TV fakery?

Can't remeber - but he didn't get it.
 
deep said:
You admit that most truthers dismiss them as crackpots (etc) .. but then you're wondering why they're so warmly received?

Funny!
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There's no contradition here, Deep.

While it's true that the average rank-and-file truther like yourself will instinctively avoid snuggling up to anti-Semites (at least in public), the same can't be said for TM leaders.

Steven Jones worked with Chris Bollyn, David Ray Griffin still sites the likes of Eric Hufschmid, Alex Jones ran banner ads for the same people, James Fetzer was willing to appear on the same stage of Eric D. Williams, and it took Loose Change three editions before the Jew-haters at AFP were no longer cited as a reliable source.

I'd say that's a rather warm welcome, especially for such vile social outcasts.

So why are neo-Nazi crackpots welcomed in your movement in ways that they aren't anywhere else?

As I say in the OP, how can they NOT be? Truthers and Jew-haters both believe the same basic thing. The latter are just a little less reluctant to name names.
 
RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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Aren't you supposed to be out looking for a fact?
 
I'm Southern! and American!

UNLoVedRebel said:
People from INSIDE this country did 9/11 too. They were INSIDE the United States. That's how they hijacked the planes INSIDE this country and crashed them into targets INSIDE this country.

I'm not stereotyping, I'm going by the evidence presented. I have every reason to believe you are uneducated and from the South.
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I find your statement about being uneducated and from the south to be very rude. I can't call it racism, maybe sectionalism is apropos. You should apologize for making inane criticisms like that!!

MC
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yeah, the deja vu is strong on this one. What was the last CHF thread about, you know, the last one in a series of threads where he was told that his line of thought is silly because there is no official "truth movement" you can be a member of, therefore that nonexisting organisation isn't able to "clean their ranks" at all? Holocaust deniers? TV fakery?

Can't remeber - but he didn't get it.
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The Truth Movement doesn't exist? Better tell that to the Truth Movement.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yeah, the deja vu is strong on this one. What was the last CHF thread about, you know, the last one in a series of threads where he was told that his line of thought is silly because there is no official "truth movement" you can be a member of, therefore that nonexisting organisation isn't able to "clean their ranks" at all? Holocaust deniers? TV fakery?
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Ah so the "truth movement" doesn't exist. :rolleyes: Is it just me or are truthers increasingly disowning themselves?

CE - insofar as there is a group that can be called the "truth movement," would you say that Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Alex Jones and Dylan Avery are part of it?

In fact, would these not be considered rather prominent voices?

All "movements" have their crackpot elements vying for acceptance and the mere existence of such elements says nothing about the movement itself. For example, the creeps at NAMBLA try to associate themselves with the gay rights movement.

What really counts is how a movement chooses to deal with these elements. Most truthers will dismiss the claims of anti-Semites unless those claims are first laundered through their movement's leaders, in which case they become gospal.
 
Why is it the only time I ever hear about Bollyn, Hufschmid or AFP, it's right here on jref?
 
RedIbis said:
Why is it the only time I ever hear about Bollyn, Hufschmid or AFP, it's right here on jref?
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I told you why.

It's because the rest of the time you're hearing their claims through another source.
 
RedIbis said:
Why is it the only time I ever hear about Bollyn, Hufschmid or AFP, it's right here on jref?
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Because JREF has a specific sub-forum dealing with 9/11 conspiracy theories, and the examples you cited each have played some kind of role in promulgating those conspiracy theories.
 
CHF said:
I told you why.

It's because the rest of the time you're hearing their claims through another source.
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What source and what claim? Be specific or your OP and your entire tack is nothing more than puerile guilt by ascribed association.
 
johnny karate said:
Because JREF has a specific sub-forum dealing with 9/11 conspiracy theories, and the examples you cited each have played some kind of role in promulgating those conspiracy theories.
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Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.
 
R.Mackey said:
I've long wondered why the Jews always get fingered, instead of, say, the Scots. After all, I think we, um, I mean they, have just as much claim to be running everything.
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You knows it;)

Even the Romans did not mess with us much. They had to build a couple of big walls to keep us at bay while they subjugated the English for years.

Guy who invented the pneumatic tyre was just up the road from me.
 
RedIbis said:
Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.
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That is completely untrue and a pathetic claim.

There were theories and claims made long before NIST or the 911 Commission were ever published.

I suggest you retract that false claim. Or you may be called a proven liar.
 
RedIbis said:
What source and what claim? Be specific or your OP and your entire tack is nothing more than puerile guilt by ascribed association.
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Take, for example, Christopher Bollyn.

He's the guy who misrepresented the seismic data from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory which started the idiotic idea of basement bombs in the WTC. He's apparently also the guy who started the theory that the crash of Flight 93 was faked.

Both claims are now standard truther lore.

And who could forget Eric Hufschmid's 2002 book "Painful questions" which was instrumental in getting the WTC demolition theory off the ground.

Face it, Red: your silly little "movement" owes a lot to these hateful pukes, regardless of whether or not you care to thank them.
 
CHF said:
Take, for example, Christopher Bollyn.

He's the guy who misrepresented the seismic data from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory which started the idiotic idea of basement bombs in the WTC. He's apparently also the guy who started the theory that the crash of Flight 93 was faked.

Both claims are now standard truther lore.

And who could forget Eric Hufschmid's 2002 book "Painful questions" which was instrumental in getting the WTC demolition theory off the ground.

Face it, Red: your silly little "movement" owes a lot to these hateful pukes, regardless of whether or not you care to thank them.
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What the hell is "standard truther lore"? and where has a Twoofilious Twoofer such as myself ever referenced these sources?
 
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