JREF a Gay Organization?

dglas · 8th December 2009, 11:00 AM

So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that.

Reposted here in a new thread for greater visibility, rather than just being buried, deep in another thread. I posted the above to my Facebook status recently - the results were, shall we say, interesting...

The Central Scrutinizer · 8th December 2009, 11:18 AM

Yes, the JREF should be a happy organization.

hcmom · 8th December 2009, 11:31 AM

Are you saying that Randi is dull and boring?

Vic Vega · 8th December 2009, 11:34 AM

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

IMST · 8th December 2009, 11:38 AM

This will make recruiting so much easier!

Miss_Kitt · 8th December 2009, 11:49 AM

Or, we could say, pointless--like the question.

I have never understood the fascination some people have with trying to position people's private lives as somehow relevent to their job duties. I neither know, nor care, what Phil Plait or James Randi's taste in music are; what colors they prefer; whether they are left- or right- handed; or what their ethnic heritage is. Such issues are immaterial to the JREF and its activities.

jasonpatterson · 8th December 2009, 12:01 PM

Is this a serious question? If it is, it's absurdly stupid, and if it's not, well, it's still absurdly stupid. Are you 9?

sthomson · 8th December 2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by jasonpatterson

Is this a serious question? If it is, it's absurdly stupid, and if it's not, well, it's still absurdly stupid. Are you 9?

I assume it's a joke, similar to all the people demanding to know if JREF is specifically an atheist organization because Randi is atheist.

Doubt · 8th December 2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by jasonpatterson

Is this a serious question? If it is, it's absurdly stupid, and if it's not, well, it's still absurdly stupid. Are you 9?

I think it is a parody of a thread about the JREF being an atheist organization thread.

commandlinegamer · 8th December 2009, 12:19 PM

Look, there's a difference between having to be a Nazi to join the Nazi Party and having to be a critical thinker to be in the JREF. Actually, maybe not. Oh well, Godwinned; let's have another thread.

KoihimeNakamura · 8th December 2009, 12:55 PM

dglas is starting this becuase of an argument over whether or not the JREF is an atheist organization, with people pointing out it was only asked about being atheist due to Randi.

king catfish · 8th December 2009, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by dglas

... the JREF a gay organization? ...

Doesn't make us bad people.

Roma · 8th December 2009, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by dglas

the JREF a gay organization? ...

do we all have to be gay too ?

can I just pretend to be gay when I post

Cynic · 8th December 2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Roma

do we all have to be gay too ?

can I just pretend to be gay when I post http://www.topsmileys.net/smilies/innocent0009.gif

So far, so good.

I take this thread as a joke related to the Is JREF an Atheist Organization thread as well.

not daSkeptic · 8th December 2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by In My Spare Time

This will make recruiting so much easier!

Have you got your toaster yet?

Ron_Tomkins · 8th December 2009, 08:11 PM

Well, at least the whole population of San Francisco is gonna be with the JREF.

godofpie · 8th December 2009, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Roma

do we all have to be gay too ?

can I just pretend to be gay when I post http://www.topsmileys.net/smilies/innocent0009.gif

I don't know. Can you lisp when you type?

dasmiller · 8th December 2009, 09:09 PM

So . .. if it's a gay organization, does that mean it's only attracted to other nonprofits?

gnome · 8th December 2009, 10:04 PM

...other non-profits of the same gender.

No more getting jiggy with the lady non-profits.

dglas · 9th December 2009, 05:04 AM

For those of you assuming the OP is a joke, it is not.

I am asking this question in dead earnest. There's a reason for it. There's a point to it.

Now that you know it is NOT a joke, here it is again.

"So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that."

You pretend to be participants in an "educational foundation." Show some acuity and make an effort.

KoihimeNakamura · 9th December 2009, 05:15 AM

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Darat · 9th December 2009, 05:17 AM

I would say give it some time and if the sexuality of the JREF's president becomes a regular topic for attacking the work the JREF, if it is used in high profile media outlets to personally attack the character of the president and so on, then I would suspect that they will probably end up with a few blog entries mentioning that the sexuality of any member of the JREF has nothing to do with the work they do.

Gawdzilla Sama · 9th December 2009, 05:20 AM

If we're gay these tacky drapes HAVE TO GO!

Redecorate squad, get on it! (No, no, no, not on him, on IT!)

Geek Goddess · 9th December 2009, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by dglas

For those of you assuming the OP is a joke, it is not.

I am asking this question in dead earnest. There's a reason for it. There's a point to it.

Now that you know it is NOT a joke, here it is again.

"So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that."

You pretend to be participants in an "educational foundation." Show some acuity and make an effort.

Right. And a policy statement that its not a male organization, or a perso-with-facial hair organization, or a short-men organization...

Demonstrate that you are posting in the JREF forums because you are interested in promoting skepticism, critical thinking, and science, rather than seeing what points you think you are score off of people.

Darat · 9th December 2009, 05:27 AM

By the way is the new president bloke gay?

If so then I would say that the opening post of this thread provides the evidence that at least some people will be willing to use his sexuality to try (in their minds at least) to "discredit" the JREF. It's a shame that such bigotry still exists and I hope it won't cause the JREF too much of a problem, it's akin to Randi's atheism; some people have tried to use that to "discredit" the JREF and what he has done (albeit that the discrimination faced by homosexuals is of a different type to that shown towards atheists even in societies like the USA).

Shrike · 9th December 2009, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by dglas

You pretend to be participants in an "educational foundation." Show some acuity and make an effort.

Can I keep my 'Dull day' settings for the forum?
On a more seriuos note: Was the JREF an astronomers organisation under Phil Plait?
Was the JREF a magicians organisation under James Randi?

Why don't you show some acuity and educate me about what would change if it was a gay organisation?

gnome · 9th December 2009, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by dglas

For those of you assuming the OP is a joke, it is not.

I am asking this question in dead earnest. There's a reason for it. There's a point to it.

Now that you know it is NOT a joke, here it is again.

"So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that."

You pretend to be participants in an "educational foundation." Show some acuity and make an effort.

Ok, you're asking it straight, I'll give a straight answer. No, and no. As GG said, does it seem to you we need policy statements confirming whether other characteristics of the president are shared by the organization?

I'll respond even more seriously. Why would you think that the sexual orientation of someone makes anything they become president of, an advocacy group for their orientation? Why is that a default assumption that needs confirmation or refutation?

Lothian · 9th December 2009, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by dglas

So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that.

.... I posted the above to my Facebook status recently - the results were, shall we say, interesting...

That is an absolutely incredible co-incidence. I had posted the exact same thing to my facebook status. I too got ‘interesting’ feedback.

46 % said I was a homophobic jerk. 38% said I was a ignorant cretin and the reminder said I obviously had sexuality issues that would be sorted once I lost my virginity.

Gawdzilla Sama · 9th December 2009, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by gnome

Why would you think that the sexual orientation of someone makes anything they become president of, an advocacy group for their orientation? Why is that a default assumption that needs confirmation or refutation?

Oh! Oh! I know that one, I know!

Ahem. If one were seeking to give another excuse to nutcases to hate JREF, then one way would be to suggest that it's "controlled by gays". Once the meme is out there, it will have a life of its own.

Attempted sabotage, in other words.

philkensebben · 9th December 2009, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Shrike

Can I keep my 'Dull day' settings for the forum?
On a more seriuos note: Was the JREF an astronomers organisation under Phil Plait?
Was the JREF a magicians organisation under James Randi?

Why don't you show some acuity and educate me about what would change if it was a gay organisation?

We'd all have better fashion sense?

Alan · 9th December 2009, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

By the way is the new president bloke gay?

He is gay, yes. From an article he co-wrote:

Quote:

One of us (DJ Grothe) had more of a problem with his family when he "came out" as a nonbeliever than when he came out as gay years previously.

http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...dacey_24_2.htm

He also mentioned it in passing on the episode of Point of Inquiry (a podcast that he hosts) that I listened to today. The episode is called "Richard Dawkins - Science and the New Atheism" (and perhaps other episodes but that was the first time I've listened).

Cayvmann · 9th December 2009, 06:03 AM

I think the JREF is simply FAAAABULOUSSS!!!

But not in a gay way or anything...

zooterkin · 9th December 2009, 06:04 AM

Ah, now I understand the motivation behind this thread. It's part of the new membership qualifications.

Ysidro · 9th December 2009, 06:12 AM

Not gay, just merry. Oh wait, I thought we were talking about JEFF!

Alan · 9th December 2009, 06:16 AM

I would like to get a confirmation or denial about whether the JREF will become an organisation for people whose last names begin with a "G". I, for one, am furious about this possibility.

Oh dear, I have to take a nap to calm down now.

Hokulele · 9th December 2009, 06:43 AM

JREF is an organization that supports critical thinking. If various members of that organization and this forum choose to use critical thinking to promote a heterophobic agenda, that is simply a personal issue. Please note, I am referring to "normal" members, not staff.

Shrike · 9th December 2009, 06:44 AM

I would like to get a confirmation or denial about whether the JREF will become an organisation for people who like dance music. Come on, the president's name is DJ Grothe. I, for one, am furious about this possibility.

Oliver · 9th December 2009, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by dglas

So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that.

Reposted here in a new thread for greater visibility, rather than just being buried, deep in another thread. I posted the above to my Facebook status recently - the results were, shall we say, interesting...

First of all: Why do you hate gay people?

not daSkeptic · 9th December 2009, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Shrike

I would like to get a confirmation or denial about whether the JREF will become an organisation for people who like dance music. Come on, the president's name is DJ Grothe. I, for one, am furious about this possibility.

I suppose it depends on the exact form of dance music in question. Some good Trance with a solid, futuristic-sounding anthem I find to be rather uplifting. And Big Band is sometimes thought to fall within the dance category -- that's not too bad either. But I'm not really into Drum & Bass, and Happy House generally makes me want to choke cute little bunny rabbits with pink cotton-candy rays of sunshine.

Shrike · 9th December 2009, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by daSkeptic

I suppose it depends on the exact form of dance music in question. Some good Trance with a solid, futuristic-sounding anthem I find to be rather uplifting. And Big Band is sometimes thought to fall within the dance category -- that's not too bad either. But I'm not really into Drum & Bass, and Happy House generally makes me want to choke cute little bunny rabbits with pink cotton-candy rays of sunshine.

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8th December 2009, 11:00 AM	#1
dglas Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,308	JREF a Gay Organization? So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that. Reposted here in a new thread for greater visibility, rather than just being buried, deep in another thread. I posted the above to my Facebook status recently - the results were, shall we say, interesting...
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Miss_Kitt Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,876	Or, we could say, pointless--like the question. I have never understood the fascination some people have with trying to position people's private lives as somehow relevent to their job duties. I neither know, nor care, what Phil Plait or James Randi's taste in music are; what colors they prefer; whether they are left- or right- handed; or what their ethnic heritage is. Such issues are immaterial to the JREF and its activities.
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sthomson Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 930	Originally Posted by jasonpatterson Is this a serious question? If it is, it's absurdly stupid, and if it's not, well, it's still absurdly stupid. Are you 9? I assume it's a joke, similar to all the people demanding to know if JREF is specifically an atheist organization because Randi is atheist.
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Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 7,789	Originally Posted by jasonpatterson Is this a serious question? If it is, it's absurdly stupid, and if it's not, well, it's still absurdly stupid. Are you 9? I think it is a parody of a thread about the JREF being an atheist organization thread.
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KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In 2.5 million spinning tons of metal, above Epsilion Eridani III Posts: 7,958	dglas is starting this becuase of an argument over whether or not the JREF is an atheist organization, with people pointing out it was only asked about being atheist due to Randi.
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Roma Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,073	Originally Posted by dglas the JREF a gay organization? ... do we all have to be gay too ? can I just pretend to be gay when I post
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Cynic Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,329	Originally Posted by Roma do we all have to be gay too ? can I just pretend to be gay when I post http://www.topsmileys.net/smilies/innocent0009.gif So far, so good. I take this thread as a joke related to the Is JREF an Atheist Organization thread as well.
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gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,572	...other non-profits of the same gender. No more getting jiggy with the lady non-profits.
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dglas Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,308	For those of you assuming the OP is a joke, it is not. I am asking this question in dead earnest. There's a reason for it. There's a point to it. Now that you know it is NOT a joke, here it is again. "So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that." You pretend to be participants in an "educational foundation." Show some acuity and make an effort.
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Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,117	I would say give it some time and if the sexuality of the JREF's president becomes a regular topic for attacking the work the JREF, if it is used in high profile media outlets to personally attack the character of the president and so on, then I would suspect that they will probably end up with a few blog entries mentioning that the sexuality of any member of the JREF has nothing to do with the work they do.
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Geek Goddess Hot enough to melt 4" rebar Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,940	Originally Posted by dglas For those of you assuming the OP is a joke, it is not. I am asking this question in dead earnest. There's a reason for it. There's a point to it. Now that you know it is NOT a joke, here it is again. "So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that." You pretend to be participants in an "educational foundation." Show some acuity and make an effort. Right. And a policy statement that its not a male organization, or a perso-with-facial hair organization, or a short-men organization... Demonstrate that you are posting in the JREF forums because you are interested in promoting skepticism, critical thinking, and science, rather than seeing what points you think you are score off of people.
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Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,117	By the way is the new president bloke gay? If so then I would say that the opening post of this thread provides the evidence that at least some people will be willing to use his sexuality to try (in their minds at least) to "discredit" the JREF. It's a shame that such bigotry still exists and I hope it won't cause the JREF too much of a problem, it's akin to Randi's atheism; some people have tried to use that to "discredit" the JREF and what he has done (albeit that the discrimination faced by homosexuals is of a different type to that shown towards atheists even in societies like the USA).
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gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,572	Originally Posted by dglas For those of you assuming the OP is a joke, it is not. I am asking this question in dead earnest. There's a reason for it. There's a point to it. Now that you know it is NOT a joke, here it is again. "So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that." You pretend to be participants in an "educational foundation." Show some acuity and make an effort. Ok, you're asking it straight, I'll give a straight answer. No, and no. As GG said, does it seem to you we need policy statements confirming whether other characteristics of the president are shared by the organization? I'll respond even more seriously. Why would you think that the sexual orientation of someone makes anything they become president of, an advocacy group for their orientation? Why is that a default assumption that needs confirmation or refutation?
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9th December 2009, 05:52 AM	#28
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,427	Originally Posted by dglas So, with D.J. Grothe becoming the next president of the JREF, is the JREF a gay organization? Seems to me we need a policy statement from the JREF publicly confirming or refuting that. .... I posted the above to my Facebook status recently - the results were, shall we say, interesting... That is an absolutely incredible co-incidence. I had posted the exact same thing to my facebook status. I too got ‘interesting’ feedback. 46 % said I was a homophobic jerk. 38% said I was a ignorant cretin and the reminder said I obviously had sexuality issues that would be sorted once I lost my virginity.

9th December 2009, 05:53 AM	#29
Gawdzilla Sama 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 42,180	Originally Posted by gnome Why would you think that the sexual orientation of someone makes anything they become president of, an advocacy group for their orientation? Why is that a default assumption that needs confirmation or refutation? Oh! Oh! I know that one, I know! Ahem. If one were seeking to give another excuse to nutcases to hate JREF, then one way would be to suggest that it's "controlled by gays". Once the meme is out there, it will have a life of its own. Attempted sabotage, in other words.

9th December 2009, 05:54 AM	#30
philkensebben Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,392	Originally Posted by Shrike Can I keep my 'Dull day' settings for the forum? On a more seriuos note: Was the JREF an astronomers organisation under Phil Plait? Was the JREF a magicians organisation under James Randi? Why don't you show some acuity and educate me about what would change if it was a gay organisation? We'd all have better fashion sense?

9th December 2009, 05:55 AM	#31
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,714	Originally Posted by Darat By the way is the new president bloke gay? He is gay, yes. From an article he co-wrote: Quote: One of us (DJ Grothe) had more of a problem with his family when he "came out" as a nonbeliever than when he came out as gay years previously. http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...dacey_24_2.htm He also mentioned it in passing on the episode of Point of Inquiry (a podcast that he hosts) that I listened to today. The episode is called "Richard Dawkins - Science and the New Atheism" (and perhaps other episodes but that was the first time I've listened).
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9th December 2009, 06:03 AM	#32
Cayvmann Muse Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 785	I think the JREF is simply FAAAABULOUSSS!!! But not in a gay way or anything...
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9th December 2009, 06:04 AM	#33
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9th December 2009, 06:12 AM	#34
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9th December 2009, 06:16 AM	#35
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,714	I would like to get a confirmation or denial about whether the JREF will become an organisation for people whose last names begin with a "G". I, for one, am furious about this possibility. Oh dear, I have to take a nap to calm down now.
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