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Old 8th December 2009, 09:29 PM   #1
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I can hear electricity!

Mod Info Although this thread discusses the Million Dollar Challenge, it does not appear to be a bona fide attempt to define a challenge that is being made. It mostly is a discussion of a purported paranormal power. As such, I am moving it to the more appropriate forum. When Teddy comes up with a specific discussion (as opposed to this general one) of what he would do for the challenge, a thread in the MDC forum might be appropriate. At this point, it is not.
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Hello! I'll cut to the chase and include the backstory below. I have the paranormal ability to hear electricity, and am wondering if I can apply for the million dollars!

See, I was googling weather or not you can hear electricity, and most of the results were from people who thought that was preposterous and that people who can "hear" it must really be insane and crazy.

I was googling that because I had been googling the so-called "Taos Hum" and other similar hums, where people hear this hum that others cannot hear.

And, I was googling that, because here at work, not an hour ago, I heard a unexplanible hum! I investigated it (I'm a security guard) and it turns out it's coming from the electric room. I always hear hums from that room, but this was very loud. I had been worried for a minute that the "Taos Hum" was coming local, but no, the explanation was more reasonable.

I can also "always hear" the hum in other things, such as old 'tube' TV sets. I once proved this to my friend at high school. We walked past a classroom with doors closed, and I told him I could hear a TV on in there. He said he could not hear any voices, and I said of course not - the TV is just on, there is no sound coming from the speakers - the sound is coming from the monitor. He looked at me like I was from another planet. So I knocked on the door, and a teacher said "hello?" and I said "Do you have the TV in there?" he walked to the door, opened it, said "yes", and pointed to it. He wanted to know if I was sent to get it - I said no, that I could "hear" it from outside the door. The TV was not playing anything, it was just "on". He too looked at me like I was from another planet. I just walked away.

Lastly. I am notorious for trying to kill two birds with one stone. I love getting myself into win-win situations.

Now. Combining all of that.

I wish to apply for the million dollars based on the idea that the fact I can "hear" EM fields is "paranormal" - IE, cannot be explained by science.

One of two things will happen
A - you will accept my claim while snickering, I will do all the paperwork, come and do the test, finding TVs and other such things behind doors, and walk away with a million dollars
or, far more likely,
B - you will reject my claim based on the fact that it IS indeed possible to "hear" EM fields

Regardless, I get proven right :P


PS. This was written and saved hours before it was posted as there is no instant activation for this forum.

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Old 8th December 2009, 09:41 PM   #2
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Hi Teddy,

Welcome to the forum. I don't know if what you are doing is paranormal. I can hear when the TV is on but it's on some setting where there is no sound or picture. I don't think this is that unusual. You are hearing the TV humming, you are not hearing electricity.

If you could really hear electricity, you'd be able to hear it in the wires in the wall.

Also, to apply for the prize, you would need to have some sort of media presence and an affidavit from an academic institution verifying that you have this ability.

However, there's always www.iigwest.org. Their challenge is for only $50,000, but if you win, you will certainly get the media presence and academic attention necessary for the Million Dollar Challenge.

But somehow, I don't think that they will find your ability to listen for a TV hum through a closed door to be especially "paranormal."

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Old 8th December 2009, 09:44 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
See, I was googling weather or not you can hear electricity...

... I heard a unexplanible hum! ...it's coming from the electric room. I always hear hums from that room, but this was very loud...

I can also "always hear" the hum in other things, such as old 'tube' TV sets.
Unless I'm missing something, can't everybody?

You should hear the hum and snap of a switchyard outside of a power plant!
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Old 8th December 2009, 09:47 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
Hi Teddy,

Welcome to the forum. I don't know if what you are doing is paranormal. I can hear when the TV is on but it's on some setting where there is no sound or picture. I don't think this is that unusual. You are hearing the TV humming, you are not hearing electricity.

If you could really hear electricity, you'd be able to hear it in the wires in the wall.

Also, to apply for the prize, you would need to have some sort of media presence and an affidavit from an academic institution verifying that you have this ability.

However, there's always WONT LET ME QUOTE THE LINK. Their challenge is for only $50,000, but if you win, you will certainly get the media presence and academic attention necessary for the Million Dollar Challenge.

But somehow, I don't think that they will find your ability to listen for a TV hum through a closed door to be especially "paranormal."

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Thanks. As mentioned in the latter part of my message, half of the reason I wanted to post this here was so that it would be rejected on the grounds that it's not a crazy idea. Having the most well known group of skeptics on your side certainly helps in an argument :P

I'm also sort of curious of perpetual motion machines qualify for the challenge, and if so, what defines "perpetual motion". The earth, for example, keeps going around the sun, but no one thinks of it as a perpetual motion machine.
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Old 8th December 2009, 09:49 PM   #5
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Lots of components emit noise when electric currents pass through them. Transformers, for one.
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Old 8th December 2009, 09:58 PM   #6
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In case of the TV, that produces audible sound. Depending on the TV and your hearing in combination. I understand it's this component that's responsible - wiki lists the frequency of it as 15-50 kHz. 15 kHz is well within audible range, and it's possible you could hear subharmonics of the ones tuned even higher.

In any case, this sound is around the upper limit of the human hearing's frequency range, which is why many people can't hear it. Sadly, you'll probably lose the ability gradually as your sense of hearing deteriorates naturally. I can hear many old ones.

And yes, many transformers hum, too, but at a much lower frequency.

So you win
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Originally Posted by Teddy View Post

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I'm also sort of curious of perpetual motion machines qualify for the challenge, and if so, what defines "perpetual motion". The earth, for example, keeps going around the sun, but no one thinks of it as a perpetual motion machine.


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Old 8th December 2009, 10:17 PM   #8
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Thanks. As mentioned in the latter part of my message, half of the reason I wanted to post this here was so that it would be rejected on the grounds that it's not a crazy idea. Having the most well known group of skeptics on your side certainly helps in an argument :P
So far your claim does not sound paranormal. Many electrical devices make noise. Some people notice them and some do not. Hearing electricity would be paranormal if that is what was happening. You will have to work out what you are really doing. Can you hear a flashlight? How about an ordinary light bulb in an AC circuit?

Even if you can really do it, you are going to have to follow the rules. There is more to this than just making a claim.

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I'm also sort of curious of perpetual motion machines qualify for the challenge, and if so, what defines "perpetual motion". The earth, for example, keeps going around the sun, but no one thinks of it as a perpetual motion machine.
perpetual motion claims can qualify. Orbiting bodies, be they planets or satellites are not machines nor is their motion perpetual. Orbits decay over time.
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Unless I'm missing something, can't everybody?

You should hear the hum and snap of a switchyard outside of a power plant!
Better yet, try doing rounds in the switch yard on a humid day
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Old 8th December 2009, 10:34 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
Hello! I'll cut to the chase and include the backstory below. I have the paranormal ability to hear electricity, and am wondering if I can apply for the million dollars!

See, I was googling weather or not you can hear electricity, and most of the results were from people who thought that was preposterous and that people who can "hear" it must really be insane and crazy.

I was googling that because I had been googling the so-called "Taos Hum" and other similar hums, where people hear this hum that others cannot hear.

And, I was googling that, because here at work, not an hour ago, I heard a unexplanible hum! I investigated it (I'm a security guard) and it turns out it's coming from the electric room. I always hear hums from that room, but this was very loud. I had been worried for a minute that the "Taos Hum" was coming local, but no, the explanation was more reasonable.

I can also "always hear" the hum in other things, such as old 'tube' TV sets. I once proved this to my friend at high school. We walked past a classroom with doors closed, and I told him I could hear a TV on in there. He said he could not hear any voices, and I said of course not - the TV is just on, there is no sound coming from the speakers - the sound is coming from the monitor. He looked at me like I was from another planet. So I knocked on the door, and a teacher said "hello?" and I said "Do you have the TV in there?" he walked to the door, opened it, said "yes", and pointed to it. He wanted to know if I was sent to get it - I said no, that I could "hear" it from outside the door. The TV was not playing anything, it was just "on". He too looked at me like I was from another planet. I just walked away.

Lastly. I am notorious for trying to kill two birds with one stone. I love getting myself into win-win situations.

Now. Combining all of that.

I wish to apply for the million dollars based on the idea that the fact I can "hear" EM fields is "paranormal" - IE, cannot be explained by science.

One of two things will happen
A - you will accept my claim while snickering, I will do all the paperwork, come and do the test, finding TVs and other such things behind doors, and walk away with a million dollars
or, far more likely,
B - you will reject my claim based on the fact that it IS indeed possible to "hear" EM fields

Regardless, I get proven right :P


PS. This was written and saved hours before it was posted as there is no instant activation for this forum.
Hi Teddy, welcome to the forum. This should be an entertaining experience. Do you even know what an EM field is? It sounds like you don't.
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Old 8th December 2009, 10:47 PM   #11
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I can hear electricity too!

I have a number of devices that assist with this. They are (and stay with me - this is spooky) coils of wire wrapped around magnets, connected to simple cones of paper!

BUT... it gets better! I can *see* electricity too! Some of the coil devices I have are connected to a flat screen that glows in response to electrical signals that are fed to my house by a wire.

And sometimes, when the weather is just right, I can see enormous bolts of electricity in the sky!
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Hearing is how the body detects the vibrations of air molecules. So, the question is, "can electricity cause air molecules to vibrate?" Yes. The most common device is called an audio speaker. You know, like your stereo. It can also cause other things to vibrate like jackhammers.

So, then you have to ask yourself if what you hear is caused by electricity causing something to vibrate. Touch it. If you feel the vibration, then there's a good chance you can hear it. If you can't feel it, then plug your ears. If you can't hear it anymore or the volume is reduced, then you know that you are detecting air molecules vibrating.

If neither of those techniques answer your question, understand that the brain is an electrical device. Could an electrical field disturb your brainwaves enough to make you think you can hear something? Sure can. I'm not saying I could make it happen in UncaYimmy's Kitchen of Science, but it's certainly plausible.

That said, stick with first few suggestions and see if that helps you answer the question yourself.
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Old 8th December 2009, 11:59 PM   #13
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This isn't paranormal. I can hear TV's and monitors when they're switched on, even when others can't. I can also hear the hum from flourescent lights.

Have you ever had yourself tested for Asperger's? Aspies are often able to hear sounds that others can't. Here's a quick test to give you an idea of whether you're likely to have it. Of course, this is no substitute for a proper diagnosis by a doctor. http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php
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It depends on what your actual claim is.

You can 'hear' the electricity in a TV? So can quite a few other people. Nothing paranormal about that at all.

If, on the other hand, you are claiming that you can 'hear' electricity, for example, when it is running through wires (so we could let you listen to a series of wires and tell us which ones had power running through them), that might qualify as paranormal.

Quite frankly, it just sounds to me like your hearing is a little more sensitive than some of the people around you; its no more 'paranormal' than me being able to hear sounds that my grandpa can't because his hearing is more limited than mine.

The problem seems to lay in your claim that you can "hear" electricity. No, you can't. What you can hear is vibrations made by electricity in a perfectly normal and verifiable manner when it interacts with certain kinds of equipment.
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Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
I'm also sort of curious of perpetual motion machines qualify for the challenge, and if so, what defines "perpetual motion". The earth, for example, keeps going around the sun, but no one thinks of it as a perpetual motion machine.
Welcome to the forum! Glad you got the answer you wanted.
As for the Earth and perpetual motion, Newton's Laws of Motion addresses this. That is, a body in motion will stay in motion unless other forces act upon it. Since there's no friction in space, the Earth will keep orbiting until the sun expands into a red giant and absorbs it.
You may be confused because man-made satellites in orbit around the Earth eventually come down. This is because they are affected by the friction of the Earth's atmosphere as they aren't quite out of it.
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Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
Hello! I'll cut to the chase and include the backstory below. I have the paranormal ability to hear electricity, and am wondering if I can apply for the million dollars!

See, I was googling weather or not you can hear electricity, and most of the results were from people who thought that was preposterous and that people who can "hear" it must really be insane and crazy.

I was googling that because I had been googling the so-called "Taos Hum" and other similar hums, where people hear this hum that others cannot hear.

And, I was googling that, because here at work, not an hour ago, I heard a unexplanible hum! I investigated it (I'm a security guard) and it turns out it's coming from the electric room. I always hear hums from that room, but this was very loud. I had been worried for a minute that the "Taos Hum" was coming local, but no, the explanation was more reasonable.

I can also "always hear" the hum in other things, such as old 'tube' TV sets. I once proved this to my friend at high school. We walked past a classroom with doors closed, and I told him I could hear a TV on in there. He said he could not hear any voices, and I said of course not - the TV is just on, there is no sound coming from the speakers - the sound is coming from the monitor. He looked at me like I was from another planet. So I knocked on the door, and a teacher said "hello?" and I said "Do you have the TV in there?" he walked to the door, opened it, said "yes", and pointed to it. He wanted to know if I was sent to get it - I said no, that I could "hear" it from outside the door. The TV was not playing anything, it was just "on". He too looked at me like I was from another planet. I just walked away.

Lastly. I am notorious for trying to kill two birds with one stone. I love getting myself into win-win situations.

Now. Combining all of that.

I wish to apply for the million dollars based on the idea that the fact I can "hear" EM fields is "paranormal" - IE, cannot be explained by science.

One of two things will happen
A - you will accept my claim while snickering, I will do all the paperwork, come and do the test, finding TVs and other such things behind doors, and walk away with a million dollars
or, far more likely,
B - you will reject my claim based on the fact that it IS indeed possible to "hear" EM fields

Regardless, I get proven right :P


PS. This was written and saved hours before it was posted as there is no instant activation for this forum.
Hi Teddy and welcome to the forum.

I will start off by suggesting you stick to one claim only. Experience shows it is difficult enough to design one test.

Can you please phrase one claim as precisely as possible? Please read the rules first. They are found here.
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I can hear electricity too!

I have a number of devices that assist with this. They are (and stay with me - this is spooky) coils of wire wrapped around magnets, connected to simple cones of paper!

BUT... it gets better! I can *see* electricity too! Some of the coil devices I have are connected to a flat screen that glows in response to electrical signals that are fed to my house by a wire.

And sometimes, when the weather is just right, I can see enormous bolts of electricity in the sky!
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Are you from the future?
Please don't take over our world with your super science ways.
Wwhwhwhat's next? You will take my soul and put it into a frame for everyone to see?

WTF!??!?!

I've been found out!
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I can hear the hum of my Strat's single coil pickups quite well. I'm even writing an instrumental piece right now that I'm calling Sixty Cycle Hum.
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I remember when supposedly 'ultrasonic' alarm systems bothered me.

That ended by 30.

By 45, I couldn't hear flyback transformers in my right ear.

Now, 51, I don't hear above 15k in either ear.

as LongsTabber PE would say, cry me a waaaambulance, calebprime.

but I hate that part of aging as much as anything.
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I can hear the hum of my Strat's single coil pickups quite well. I'm even writing an instrumental piece right now that I'm calling Sixty Cycle Hum.
You should call it Dynamo Hum!
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I could do that since I was a child. There's nothing paranormal or unusual about it. Some, particularly large and/or old, electrical appliances vibrate. Some folks (like us) have sensitivity to the frequencies that they're vibrating at. It's just sound at a level some folks can hear and other folks can't.
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I can hear the hum of my Strat's single coil pickups quite well. I'm even writing an instrumental piece right now that I'm calling Sixty Cycle Hum.
Google up 60 cycle hum, and here is one of the hits:

Mains Hum

Here is another:

60 Cycle Hum is the second full-length album by the Punk band Pulley.
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I don't think the OP is going to apply-I don't even think he's been back since his second post.
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I remember when supposedly 'ultrasonic' alarm systems bothered me.

That ended by 30.

By 45, I couldn't hear flyback transformers in my right ear.

Now, 51, I don't hear above 15k in either ear.

as LongsTabber PE would say, cry me a waaaambulance, calebprime.

but I hate that part of aging as much as anything.

I could hear bat sonar up to about age 30.
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I still hear bats, sometimes. Flying squirrels are way up there, too. Some of my friends can't hear them at night.
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Is it that people can't hear it, or that they tune it out? For a while when I was a kid we didn't have a TV at home. At school sometimes they'd wheel out the 27" with the top loader to let us watch a movie. The sound drove me nuts. When I'd ask someone if they could hear it they would shake their heads.
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Old 13th December 2009, 05:26 PM   #30
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Hearing bat sonar? I'm confused what you guys mean. I go caving a lot and hear bats all the time, very clearly, but it's just normal squeaking sounds. Is there is difference between what you guys say you are hearing?
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Hearing bat sonar? I'm confused what you guys mean. I go caving a lot and hear bats all the time, very clearly, but it's just normal squeaking sounds. Is there is difference between what you guys say you are hearing?
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Old 14th December 2009, 03:58 AM   #32
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Is it that people can't hear it, or that they tune it out? For a while when I was a kid we didn't have a TV at home. At school sometimes they'd wheel out the 27" with the top loader to let us watch a movie. The sound drove me nuts. When I'd ask someone if they could hear it they would shake their heads.


I have a mate who's had the same problem his whole life. He hears the 800hz horizontal oscillator as a loud whistle and it drives him to distraction.



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Hearing bat sonar? I'm confused what you guys mean. I go caving a lot and hear bats all the time, very clearly, but it's just normal squeaking sounds. Is there is difference between what you guys say you are hearing?


I've done lots of caving too, and all I've ever heard from bats is normal-range chirping sounds, but I've had companions who claimed to hear more than that.

I believe that bat sonar operates between about 20 - 100 khz, which is really only just beyond normal human hearing, so I'm also inclined to believe that some people can hear the clicks and stuff that I can't.
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I have a mate who's had the same problem his whole life. He hears the 800hz horizontal oscillator as a loud whistle and it drives him to distraction.
Looks like our million bucks is already split 3 ways

I'm not sure what the frequency is that I hear. It's certainly higher than 60Hz. I've heard it explained as blood pressure on the ear drum, but it's certainly more noticeable around appliances. Terrible superpower.
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I remember when supposedly 'ultrasonic' alarm systems bothered me.

That ended by 30.

By 45, I couldn't hear flyback transformers in my right ear.

Now, 51, I don't hear above 15k in either ear.

as LongsTabber PE would say, cry me a waaaambulance, calebprime.

but I hate that part of aging as much as anything.
Oddly enough I was quite severely deaf as a child, while now my hearing is actually better than average for my age and I can still hear things like TVs and those annoying things that are supposed to keep kids off your lawn away from shops.

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I believe that bat sonar operates between about 20 - 100 khz, which is really only just beyond normal human hearing, so I'm also inclined to believe that some people can hear the clicks and stuff that I can't.
It depends a lot on the bats. Not all species use the crazy high pitched clicks. I think a lot of the time when people claim to be able to hear the high pitched stuff, they're just hearing the sounds in the normal hearing range and thinking that because its bats they shouldn't be able to. According to Wiki the sounds go as low as 14kHz, so well within the normal range of hearing even of old and partially deaf people.
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I can hear my brain.
Me too! Could you make it shut up, please?
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Looks like our million bucks is already split 3 ways

I'm not sure what the frequency is that I hear. It's certainly higher than 60Hz. I've heard it explained as blood pressure on the ear drum, but it's certainly more noticeable around appliances. Terrible superpower.


It just occurs to me that you folks probably tune out the 60 hz hum most of the time, but would notice the 50 hz hum in Australia more than I do, and vice-versa.


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Oddly enough I was quite severely deaf as a child, while now my hearing is actually better than average for my age and I can still hear things like TVs and those annoying things that are supposed to keep kids off your lawn away from shops.


I suffered some unrecoverable hearing loss due to exposure to loud noises (gunfire and gas turbines*), but it's not too severe. I'd say that I haven't yet suffered much loss due to age (55), and if anything, my hearing has become more discerning, if not more acute.


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It depends a lot on the bats. Not all species use the crazy high pitched clicks. I think a lot of the time when people claim to be able to hear the high pitched stuff, they're just hearing the sounds in the normal hearing range and thinking that because its bats they shouldn't be able to. According to Wiki the sounds go as low as 14kHz, so well within the normal range of hearing even of old and partially deaf people.


That makes perfect sense, and since it aligns with what I was also thinking, this is obviously the winning hypothesis.

Thanks for the added info, Cuddles.

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Me too! Could you make it shut up, please?
I wish.
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Hey Quarky,

Shulgin said that MDMA made his tinnitus go away--temporarily.

Confirm?

Deny?

While we're being silly, that is.
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I don't think the OP is going to apply-I don't even think he's been back since his second post.
You are 75% correct. I wont be applying (at least until I can figure out how to make a perpetual motion machine - when I do I plan to hook it up to a generator, and sell electricity for like 1 cent under the going price, then make millions - so I guess I wouldn't need just one million. I put a lot of thought into this, like that 3 seconds on the subway last month where I was thinking about regenerative braking and a hill)

I also havent been around but I'm not going away totally. One of these days I want to go ghost hunting with a group of people who wont get scared. Mob scariness is contageous, so I figure that if I do see a ghost, I'd rather be with people who are like "what is that?" than people who are like " RUNNNNNN ITS A GHOSTTTTT"
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