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Old 26th August 2012, 03:28 PM   #161
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this whole affair just makes me wish that it was easier to get people the help they need to deal with mental illness.
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Old 26th August 2012, 06:01 PM   #162
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It shouldn't be so hard in Canada, but if the patient is unwilling to be helped, I don't know that there's much that can be done. It's sad because it's an illness where one of the symptoms is frequently an unwillingness to accept help.

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Old 26th August 2012, 09:37 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by joobie View Post
this whole affair just makes me wish that it was easier to get people the help they need to deal with mental illness.
Honestly , what it makes me wonder, is where in the hell are our psychos?

Seriously, we have reams of people willing to threaten members of the sketpic movement, and devote massive amounts of time in effort into it, not trolls, but honest to Kord, ****** off lunatics. The kind of people that are only not doing these things because of lack of ability to pull them off.

Yet, you don't really see the same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum. Sure there are some folks who would flippantly say "If all christians were shot the world would be a better place." , but no raging Norman Bates types the likes of Mabus.

It honestly boggles my mind. With all the crappy things various purveyors of woo do, how they have not attracted someone with a low level of mental stability and a high level of skepticism, just blows my mind. Not saying i want this to happen, in fact i think it would be a massive blow that would set skepticism back quite a bit, but it still, none the less, boggles my mind.
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Old 4th September 2012, 06:20 AM   #164
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Markuze-like post appeared here today:

http://www.skeps.org/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=628
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Old 5th September 2012, 01:22 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by Croydon Bob View Post
Markuze-like post appeared here today:

http://www.skeps.org/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=628
Did a search and found a few other sites he had made similar posts. Only hope they can prove who did it.
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Old 5th September 2012, 01:41 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Only hope they can prove who did it.
If it is not Mabus, and if the posts are not threats, then why?
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Originally Posted by chillzero View Post
If it is not Mabus, and if the posts are not threats, then why?


Yes, I'm a bit curious about that too.
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Perhaps because Markuze isn't meant to be posting to forums (and he still needs help). Although I'm not sure if that's the case anymore.

If he's posted threats on these forums since his trial, and is still posting when he shouldn't (if he shouldn't), proof might lead him to be treated further.

But yeah, things are all a bit iffy at the moment.
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Old 5th September 2012, 02:45 AM   #169
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If it is Markuze, then yes - it is good that the appropriate people take trhe appropriate steps with regard to any legal rulings.

That's different from proving who did it, if it is actually a fan, or just some other internet troll, who is essentially engaging in harmless trolling.
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Old 5th September 2012, 02:48 AM   #170
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I think rjh01 only meant that he hoped they could find out whether it was Markuze or not.
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https://groups.google.com/forum/?fro...sm/YOaZU1CkKW8
Looks like a threat to me.
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Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle View Post
I think rjh01 only meant that he hoped they could find out whether it was Markuze or not.
Correct.
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Old 5th September 2012, 04:36 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by chillzero View Post
If it is Markuze, then yes - it is good that the appropriate people take trhe appropriate steps with regard to any legal rulings.

That's different from proving who did it, if it is actually a fan, or just some other internet troll, who is essentially engaging in harmless trolling.
As one of the links provided, indicated, the "fan" message was traced to an ip address in Canada. Not conclusive but significant.
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Yeah, the latest on that is the police told the paper they had gotten corrected information about what restrictions Mabus is under during his plea, so I think the paper is holding off publishing until they can act on that.

In other words, we are in "wait and see" mode again.
So, are you saying that the police and the press are now under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that what he's doing (if it is him) is OK and legal?

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Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy View Post
As one of the links provided, indicated, the "fan" message was traced to an ip address in Canada. Not conclusive but significant.
Over on SCEPCOP I believe the mod tracked it to Montreal.
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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
So, are you saying that the police and the press are now under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that what he's doing (if it is him) is OK and legal?
No, what I was trying to say is that the police appear (now) to agree with us that Dennis Markuze is under restrictions that would prohibit this type of behavior.

If in fact these posts are being made by Markuze, he is probably in violation of the court. But an IP address and a similar tone are far from proof that it is him.

It's not entirely clear whether the police are willing to make an effort to eliminate that ambiguity. I've been holding off bothering them to give them a chance to investigate. Also, our local complainant (a Montreal resident who filed the first complaint last year) is on vacation this week.
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Honestly , what it makes me wonder, is where in the hell are our psychos?
I'm dealing with health problems. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by krelnik View Post
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If in fact these posts are being made by Markuze, he is probably in violation of the court. But an IP address and a similar tone are far from proof that it is him.
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Imagine if it was someone from the same city who was a copy cat person. I think it would be hard to prove it was not Markuze unless they found out who he actually was.

Only the police would have the power to get the evidence that would say it was or was not him. Getting the police to do the work might not be easy. Look what it took last time!
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Imagine if it was someone from the same city who was a copy cat person. I think it would be hard to prove it was not Markuze unless they found out who he actually was.
But shirley someone pretending to be him would claim to be him, not deny being him . . . unless . . . that was what they wanted us to think.

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Is that a threat or not?
He was replying to a post from me that suggested that he charges money for sex. So the implication would be that he is going to give me a good rate for his services? Lucky me.
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The fact that he is visiting his old haunts and making the same posts shows clearly that it is the same man. I am moderator on a small forum where Mabus regularly showed up (to have his posts deleted immediately). Now it is happening again. how could a "fan" know which small forums to spam?
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Is there any way that you can prove it's the same guy? Does he need the same password as the original guy? If you have proof beyond the fact that it seems like him, you might be able to provide the police with the evidence they need in order to get him to stop and maybe get some of the help he needs.

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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
Is there any way that you can prove it's the same guy? Does he need the same password as the original guy? If you have proof beyond the fact that it seems like him, you might be able to provide the police with the evidence they need in order to get him to stop and maybe get some of the help he needs.

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That could be one way to prove it is him. He would be using a different user id, yet if he had the same password then the only explanation would be that it is the same person. The main problem is that if the forum had decent software that would be impossible to confirm.
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We ban him every time, but he just creates a new user. We have also tried banning whole ranges of IP-addresses, but he uses proxies all over the world.
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He was replying to a post from me that suggested that he charges money for sex. So the implication would be that he is going to give me a good rate for his services? Lucky me.
I foresee no happy ending with that...
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But shirley someone pretending to be him would claim to be him, not deny being him . . . unless . . . that was what they wanted us to think.

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He is back to posting at Skeptical Community too.

I just ignore him because he only posts in one subforum in threads that he starts himself.

Doctor X and some others like to make fun of him.
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History repeating.
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We ban him every time, but he just creates a new user. We have also tried banning whole ranges of IP-addresses, but he uses proxies all over the world.
If you kept records of his attempts to post since his conviction, you might still have evidence that you are not aware of. If it's him, he might be trying user names and passwords are established as definitely being him before the conviction. Your board probably has guarantees of privacy, so you probably can't share it, but you might have the evidence that's needed in this case.

I'm no expert, but if the people who run the boards and forums that he's haunting were to team up, they might be able to find the truth about who's posting.

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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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But shirley someone pretending to be him would claim to be him, not deny being him . . . unless . . . that was what they wanted us to think.

Yes, that's right.

And don't call me Surely.
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Yes, that's right.

And don't call me Surely.
That's a Roger, Over.
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I foresee no happy ending with that...
You've heard that I rarely tip for good service?
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
He is back to posting at Skeptical Community too.

I just ignore him because he only posts in one subforum in threads that he starts himself.

Doctor X and some others like to make fun of him.
That link is an important one because he's using the same account as previously. He's logged back into a pre-trial account using the same password. Thus proving that it isn't just a "fan" (as if anyone would be a fan of such insanity, not even other religious nutjobs want to touch him).

My previous concerns that it just might possibly be a troll trying to get Markuze into trouble are gone. It's him.
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The poor guy is ill. It's no excuse, but Doctor X needs to grow up a little I think.
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Yup, he's back. He's a repeat poster here.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/for...php?f=7&t=2425
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Well, he -- or his "fan" -- is right back here on the JREF site:

The Million Dollar Challenge at TAM 2012 . See comments if it hasn't yet been deleted.
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Well, he -- or his "fan" -- is right back here on the JREF site:

The Million Dollar Challenge at TAM 2012 . See comments if it hasn't yet been deleted.
Still there. I await the sock account.
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The comments on the SWIFT articles come from a different account than those here in the forum.

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