Zecharia Sitchin: Humans were genetically engineered by extraterrestrials

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Zecharia Sitchin was featured in the New York Times:

Origin of the Species, From an Alien View
By COREY KILGANNON
January 8, 2010
The New York Times

WHERE did humankind come from?

If you’re going to ask Zecharia Sitchin, be ready for a “Planet of the Apes” scenario: spaceships and hieroglyphics, genetic mutations and mutinous space aliens in gold mines.

It sounds like science fiction, but Mr. Sitchin is sure this is how it all went down hundreds of thousands of years ago in Mesopotamia. Humans were genetically engineered by extraterrestrials, he said, pointing to ancient texts to prove it.

In Mr. Sitchin’s Upper West Side kitchen, evolution and creationism collide. He is an apparently sane, sharp, University of London-educated 89-year-old who has spent his life arguing that people evolved with a little genetic intervention from ancient astronauts who came to Earth and needed laborers to mine gold to bring back to Nibiru, a planet we have yet to recognize.
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Mr. Sitchin has been called silly before — by scientists, historians and archaeologists who dismiss his theories as pseudoscience and fault their underpinnings: his translations of ancient texts and his understanding of physics. And yet, he has a devoted following of readers.

His 13 books, with names like “Genesis Revisited” and “The Earth Chronicles,” have sold millions of copies and been translated into 25 languages. “And Albanian is coming,” he notes, spooning the Taster’s Choice into two mugs.
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He works away on his latest book, answers fan mail, and at midday, reaches for his cane, floppy hat and overcoat, and rides the elevator down from the second floor to the lobby. The doorman hails him a cab for the $4 ride to a nearby diner, Cafe Eighty Two on Broadway, for the lunch special, the chicken gyro, where there are other elderly people doing the same.
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In his kitchen, Mr. Sitchin pulled two Danish out of a Zabar’s bag and began to explain. It starts with the planet Nibiru, whose long, elliptical orbit brings it near Earth once every 3,600 years or so. The planet’s inhabitants were technologically advanced humanlike beings, Mr. Sitchin said, standing about nine feet tall. Some 450,000 years ago, they detected reserves of gold in southeast Africa and made a colonial expedition to Earth, splashing down in what is now the Persian Gulf.

Mr. Sitchin said these Nibiru-ites recruited laborers from Earth’s erect primates to build eight great cities. Enki, who became the Sumerians’ god of science, bestowed some of the Nibiru-ites’ advanced genetic makeup upon these bipeds so they could work as miners.

This is how Mr. Sitchin explains what scientists attribute to evolution. He says the aliens’ cities were washed away in a great flood 30,000 years ago, after which they began passing on their knowledge to humans. He showed a photograph of a woodcarving from 7,000 B.C. of a large man handing over a plow to a smaller man: Ah, the passing on of agricultural knowledge. Anyway, he said, the Nibiru-ites finally jetted home in their spacecraft, around 550 B.C.
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Full: The New York Times or visit his website: http://www.sitchin.com
 
Quite a theory — has he sold it to Hollywood?

“Oh no, not yet,” he said solemnly. “I’m waiting for Spielberg.”

I think that sums it up perfectly. That sounds like it is all about getting attention in order to make a lucrative movie deal.
 
full of easily debunked lies again, I despair sometimes that Journos can be that stupid
:rolleyes:
 
Aww...I want to sit around, eating a Danish and talking nonsense. Seems like a wonderful way to spend an afternoon. After 60 odd years of this, his arguments would be incredibly detailed and fantastic, which gives him an edge over the younger, more haphazard charlatans. (Because a 30-year-old spouting similar bunkum just gives me a headache from the eye-rolling.)
 
The NYT said:
Mr. Sitchin has been called silly before — by scientists, historians and archaeologists who dismiss his theories as pseudoscience and fault their underpinnings: his translations of ancient texts and his understanding of physics. And yet, he has a devoted following of readers.

And..uh..so why, exactly, are you devoting an article to him? Even worse, devoting an article to him with nary more than the above in terms of skepticism for his fantastical claims.

Oh there I go again, expecting the media to do more than just glorify the woos.
 
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The NYT said:


And..uh..so why, exactly, are you devoting an article to him? Even worse, devoting an article to him with nary more than the above in terms of skepticism for his fantastical claims.

Oh there I go again, expecting the media to do more than just glorify the woos.

I've already e mailed the journo and offered him a great deal on a timeshare.
:D
 
this Nibiru nonsense cracks me up.

if I want to read about humans being engineered by extraterrestrials, I will read 2001 by Clarke or the Uplift novels by David Brin (in which, in fact, humans are probably the only sapient species (out of million) in 2 billion years to self-uplift to sapiency, although some humans (and all extraterrestrials) doubt these human claims (true heresy!) and argue that we´re just wolflings whose uplift patrons abandoned long ago.
 
BattleField Mirth

I think that sums it up perfectly. That sounds like it is all about getting attention in order to make a lucrative movie deal.

Have you ever heard of the John Travolting Sci-Fi stinker "Battlefield Earth" it is so horrible it goes beyond "so bad it's good" back to horrible. It sounds like this Goober Sitchin watched that turd for some of his delusional inspiration.
 
Have you ever heard of the John Travolting Sci-Fi stinker "Battlefield Earth" it is so horrible it goes beyond "so bad it's good" back to horrible. It sounds like this Goober Sitchin watched that turd for some of his delusional inspiration.

Sitchins been peddling this nonsense since the 1970s
 
89 years old...Can someone say "dotage"? This seems to happen with some frequency; a well-known thinker-researcher-scientist will adopt bizarre beliefs late in life.
 
I had forgotten all about Sitchin! I had a high school teacher who was utterly convinced and spent a lot of time in class promoting his ideas.
 
Where are these aliens now?

They come around every 2300 years or so, as their spaceship is a large asteroid with a very eccentric orbit. They were last here just over 2000 years ago... so they'll be back any day now!

ETA: Oops, my bad - every 3600 years. We can all relax.
 
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I see the NY Times has gone downhill almost to the extent of The Times in England.

Oh come on, their not reporting it as fact. Its simply an interview with a dottering old man; a man with quite a few followers. Its in the local color/religion section and outlines a fantastic story of the ascent of man not supported by any scientific evidence. Kind of exactly what you'd expect to find in the religion section.
 
GanipGnop said:
Have you ever heard of the John Travolting Sci-Fi stinker "Battlefield Earth" it is so horrible it goes beyond "so bad it's good" back to horrible. It sounds like this Goober Sitchin watched that turd for some of his delusional inspiration.

Ack. Just when I had managed to block all memory of that film...:D
 
Those intergalactic slave-enigineering planet-dominating superbeings sure have done a pisspoor job of actually extracting the gold they came here for.
 
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Those intergalactic slave-enigineering planet-dominating superbeings sure have done a pisspoor job of actually extracting the gold they came here for.

Perhaps they claimed all the low-hanging fruit, leaving behind the stuff you have to strip mine and leach process?
 
Oh come on, their not reporting it as fact. Its simply an interview with a dottering old man;
He's very astute and has made millions from his woo
a man with quite a few followers.
They cease to be followers when they start reading non woo books on the same subject
Its in the local color/religion section and outlines a fantastic story of the ascent of man not supported by any scientific evidence.
Its free advertising, everytime he gets media attention his sales go up, he deliberately courts that type of media attention


Kind of exactly what you'd expect to find in the religion section.
pushing the beliefs of a known liar who fabricates his own evidence and deliberately misinterprets existing evidence to support his bank account ?

Personally I don't think it should get any attention but theres no accounting for taste
:D
 
Personally I don't think it should get any attention but theres no accounting for taste
:D

And that's really my point. If I read an interview with Sarah Palin in the local color/religion section of the paper I may think she's a twit, has dangerous ideas, or is perhaps even cynically manipulating the knuckle-draggers of our country. I may even think she's a public figure and has a book out and this interview was probably set up by her publicist harassing the front office. But, what I would not think is that the paper has lowered its journalistic standards because it published an interview with someone I disagree with. I may even think the opposite.
 
Have you ever heard of the John Travolting Sci-Fi stinker "Battlefield Earth" it is so horrible it goes beyond "so bad it's good" back to horrible. It sounds like this Goober Sitchin watched that turd for some of his delusional inspiration.
Yeah Sitchin was around a long time before that flick. I remember reading his books as a kid. I'm actually grateful my dad had a nice collection of Sitchin, Whitley Streiber, Edgar Cayce, etc and so forth instead of various bibles and the like.

Wasn't Battlefield Earth mostly a scientology flick anyway?

Anyway, I'm off to the runways at Nazca to await the Nibs return ..
 
Yeah Sitchin was around a long time before that flick. I remember reading his books as a kid. I'm actually grateful my dad had a nice collection of Sitchin, Whitley Streiber, Edgar Cayce, etc and so forth instead of various bibles and the like.

Wasn't Battlefield Earth mostly a scientology flick anyway?

Anyway, I'm off to the runways at Nazca to await the Nibs return ..

Nazca spaceport woo is Von Daniken, not Sitchen
:p
 
Nazca spaceport woo is Von Daniken, not Sitchen
:p
OMG you are so correct! I should be ashamed of myself in all honesty. I need to take a dip back into all that jazz, I'm getting rusty :(

I used to be able to freely flow between Urantia and Bob Frissell with the best of them and I fear I'm losing that "ability" :(
 
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Based on a novel written by L. Ron Hubbard, co-produced and starring John Travolta...yeah, I think Scientology had some input. :D

Battlefield Earth was full of "hidden Messages and symbols" for the Faithful.
Which might be why only the Faithful went out to see it.
 
Oh come on, their not reporting it as fact. Its simply an interview with a dottering old man; a man with quite a few followers. Its in the local color/religion section and outlines a fantastic story of the ascent of man not supported by any scientific evidence. Kind of exactly what you'd expect to find in the religion section.

Seriously, even the most respected newspapers do stories on eccentrics and kooks. I agree the NYT has gotten a few well deserved black eyes in the past few years but this is not one of them.
 
So, that means Lovecraft was right? The Great Old Ones came to earth and genetically modified apes, to make humans, because fear from intelligent beings is so much tastier!
But it's not Nibiru, it's Yuggoth.
 
OMG you are so correct! I should be ashamed of myself in all honesty. I need to take a dip back into all that jazz, I'm getting rusty :(

I used to be able to freely flow between Urantia and Bob Frissell with the best of them and I fear I'm losing that "ability" :(

If you been out of pseudo history circulation for a while you should try Michael Cremo,
plenty of good laughs as he tries to pseudo scientifically prove that mankind has been around for millions of years as per the Hindu holy books the Vedas, using christian creationist evidence that would leave Ken Hovind shamefaced which Cremo has misinterpreted in the opposite direction while at the same time completely forgetting to mention that he is a Hindu creationist also known as Drutakarma Dasa
:D

Oh and Graham Hancock recently announced that he is no longer writing pseudo history but has started on his first fiction Novel. Clearly hes been practicing that for years already.

Andrew Collins recently announced that he has discovered caves on the Giza plateau (which is a limestone formation riddled with natural caves known about since 2500bce) to astonished gasps of wonder from the woos

and (this ones for Rodney) the famous pseudo history author David Hatcher Childress is now lecturing for the A.R.E. and the aforementioned Collins has been taken on as an expert on their search for Atlantis in the Bahamas campaign
 
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Seriously, even the most respected newspapers do stories on eccentrics and kooks. I agree the NYT has gotten a few well deserved black eyes in the past few years but this is not one of them.

Now, if they had an article by Judith Miller stating Sitchin's claims as facts...
 
I purchased and read "The 12th Planet" in the early '90s.
The archeological stuff was interesting, and if his publication list is any indication, Zech may actually be moderately competent in the field, but the cosmology, it is to laugh!
Billions of years ago the planet Marduk whizzed on by the proto-Earth/Moon thingy, and its satellites split into the Earth and Moon.
Billions of years ago, there was nothing around to observe and record this "event", but good ol'Zech sees it in detail in Sumerian hieroglyphics.
And Marduk whips around the Sun in less than a year and smacks the split Earth/Moon into two separate bodies, and leaves to come back every 3,600 years.
Orbital dynamics don't work that way.
And he (and this is vetted by his astrophysicist son Goober) has an apogee and perigee.
Most us folk that have a smattering of knowledge about astronomy know that apogee and perigee apply -only- to objects in Earth orbit.. the "gee" part of the situation.
Things like Mardu/Nibaru that orbit the -Sun- have aphelions and perihelions... the "heli" part of the name.
Based on the age of the 12th Planet, it has made something like 1,000,000 passes by the Earth... thru the asteroid belt, which by now should be totally empty of anything when that massive thing comes thru.
And Z talks about the "hothouse" atmosphere on Nibaru which keeps it warm during the loooooooooooooooooooooooong time it's not passing thru the center of the solar system... kinda like that on Titan. It would take a lot more than cloudy skies to keep a planet livable for 3500 years and 9 months. Maybe lots of radioactivity?
And if the Nephilim can mate with the daughters of man, their genetic makeup would need to be pretty damn near identical.
The only way that could be would be that every single one of the catastrophic events that shaped life on Earth -also- occurred on Nibaru to the exact same extent, extinctifying just the same species as on the Earth, and setting the environmental situation so the survivors enjoyed the same environment on both planets.
The Earth is in the habitable zone, Nibaru whips through it in about 3 months of 3600 years. Sure that's reasonable to expect both to be identical in every feature.
Quite possibly im-possible, as Darryl Zanuck would say.
And the Nephilim would have to have some method of detecting anything outside their hothouse (the poor guy really means "greenhouse") atmosphere on its really swift passes by here, and in that brief time note which planets would be amenable to their life processes.
Z talked about the "ringed planet"... singular... in "The 12th Planet", as NASA hadn't found the rings around the other gas giants until after publication of "12th".. not to worry, the new discoveries -were- in the old Sumerian pictures, later novels in the series found.
And their interplanetary bases here when they landed... I expect they used water-soluble materials for the space ships and the support equipment here, as nothing has been found in the Middle East (or anywhere else).
But such quibbling.
One of Zech's devotees on Compuserve sent me a copy of "12th" when we were discussing it 15-20 years ago on their Astronomy Forum.
Nice gal.
Into woo, but not as deluded as those we see here on the Conspiracy and Strangely Believe It fora.
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"Fingerpaints of the Gods" by Hancock is another rib-tickler.
 
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Nazca spaceport woo is Von Daniken, not Sitchen

Just as manure is still manure, no matter what animal's hind-end it comes out of, woo is still woo, no matter whose mouth it comes out of.
 
And their interplanetary bases here when they landed... I expect they used water-soluble materials for the space ships and the support equipment here, as nothing has been found in the Middle East (or anywhere else).
But such quibbling.

nonono, sitchins alien technology parallels our own, in the 70s he was writing that the aliens used pods which wet landed in the persian gulf, and the Aliens being amphibious just then swam ashore (evidence underwater) then with the advent of N.A.S.A's shuttle program he realised that the Aliens also had space shuttles which landed in the desert and took off again (evidence back in space)

that just left the spaceports

then two factions of Gods had a war and nuked each others spaceports (Sitchin), this is the alleged source of the desert glass found at various locations which is not as science has proven time and time again, volcanic in origin. They also nuked Harappa (David Hatcher Childress) where reports of radiocative skeletons were alleged to have been made a full 40 years before the invention of a geiger counter while Atlantis got blown up by its own huge crystal power source which malfunctioned (Cayce) leaving the inhabitants to spread around the world starting the known classical civilisations (with a short holiday of around 8000 years)

the only mystery so far is the invisible Alien/Atlantean DNA which is nowhere to be found (despite the former being the major dna contributor and ancestors of all mankind). But genetics is a bit new for most of the pseudo crowd who have been basing their esoteric knowledge on earlier authors going back to 500bce so they're all playing catchup
 
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nonono, sitchins alien technology parallels our own, in the 70s he was writing that the aliens used pods which wet landed in the persian gulf, and the Aliens being amphibious just then swam ashore (evidence underwater) then with the advent of N.A.S.A's shuttle program he realised that the Aliens also had space shuttles which landed in the desert and took off again (evidence back in space)

that just left the spaceports

then two factions of Gods had a war and nuked each others spaceports (Sitchin), this is the alleged source of the desert glass found at various locations which is not as science has proven time and time again, volcanic in origin. They also nuked Harappa (David Hatcher Childress) where reports of radiocative skeletons were alleged to have been made a full 40 years before the invention of a geiger counter while Atlantis got blown up by its own huge crystal power source which malfunctioned (Cayce) leaving the inhabitants to spread around the world starting the known classical civilisations (with a short holiday of around 8000 years)

the only mystery so far is the invisible Alien/Atlantean DNA which is nowhere to be found (despite the former being the major dna contributor and ancestors of all mankind). But genetics is a bit new for most of the pseudo crowd who have been basing their esoteric knowledge on earlier authors going back to 500bce so they're all playing catchup
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It is remarkable how it all comes together, innit? :)
And it always does.
Watching Zech's imagination incorporate later NASA findings as he published new stuff after "examining" the old scripts was amusing.
 
If you been out of pseudo history circulation for a while you should try Michael Cremo,
plenty of good laughs as he tries to pseudo scientifically prove that mankind has been around for millions of years as per the Hindu holy books the Vedas, using christian creationist evidence that would leave Ken Hovind shamefaced which Cremo has misinterpreted in the opposite direction while at the same time completely forgetting to mention that he is a Hindu creationist also known as Drutakarma Dasa
:D

Oh and Graham Hancock recently announced that he is no longer writing pseudo history but has started on his first fiction Novel. Clearly hes been practicing that for years already.

Andrew Collins recently announced that he has discovered caves on the Giza plateau (which is a limestone formation riddled with natural caves known about since 2500bce) to astonished gasps of wonder from the woos

and (this ones for Rodney) the famous pseudo history author David Hatcher Childress is now lecturing for the A.R.E. and the aforementioned Collins has been taken on as an expert on their search for Atlantis in the Bahamas campaign
I'll have to check out Cremo.

But you know who I can't stand? And it seems as though everytime van Daniken shows up in something he's right there behind him yapping, is Giorgio Tsoukalos:

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Just as manure is still manure, no matter what animal's hind-end it comes out of, woo is still woo, no matter whose mouth it comes out of.
One man's woo is another man's poo ...
 
But you know who I can't stand? And it seems as though everytime van Daniken shows up in something he's right there behind him yapping, is Giorgio Tsoukalos:

I loved his work on crystal skulls where he proclaimed they were all bought here by extra terrestrials a full 6 months after a study by the British museum proved they were all 19th century fakes.

:D
 

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