MaGZ's theory on 9/11

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My theory on 9/11:

AQ did it.

The Mossad was operating in the US under the guise of Israeli Art Students watching the hijackers at the request of US intelligence agencies. The Mossad reported back to the Americans but did not relay any information they learned indicating a coming attack. The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did to tell what they knew.

KSM ran the operation in the US, and meet groups of hijackers in Las Vegas on several occasions.

The plan on 9/11 by AQ was to takeout the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, the White House and/or Congress and the assassination of President Bush in Florida. Other planes were part of the attack but were grounded. These would-be hijackers ran from the grounded planes.

The planned Bush assassination plot that morning was similar to the assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud in northern Afghanistan two days earlier with the use of a exploding camera. The explosives in the camera was prepared days earlier by Atta using a "Mother of Satan" explosive mixture.

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.

The anthrax attacks that followed over the next few weeks was a Mossad operation that was initially planned as early as 1998 but was moved up as a follow-on to the 9/11 attacks. The anthrax attacks were designed by Israel to get the US to attack and invade Iraq. The anthrax came from their bio-weapons lab in Nes Ziona.
 
MaGZ said:
WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.
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How did they wire it up so quickly?
 
Jesus, MaGZ, anybody can make stuff up. Your theory would make a great spy movie, but for our purposes it has to match the available evidence better than the "official story", don't you agree?

It's one step up from claiming the Martians did it.
 
Dave Rogers said:
So Nazi boy has stopped pretending it was a Sidewinder missile, has he?

Dave
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Nope. I take it you have him on ignore:

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.
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:eye-poppi
 
SatansMaleVoiceChoir said:
It’s about time the truth came out. The ‘Official Story’ is a lie. CIT and the ‘No Planers’ have been right all along. I have an American friend who is ex-CIA and is no longer in America for personal safety reasons. He has provided me with documents (which I no longer have) which explain the whole ‘attack’ on the Pentagon on Sep 11 2001. This is what happened, based on the documents he provided:

There was a passenger plane – that much is true, but the passenger manifests and the hi-jacking were all faked. A highly-skilled CIA pilot flew the (highly modified) plane towards DC and the Pentagon. Prior to Sep 11, under the cover of ‘renovation and repair work’, CIA operative installed boxes containing plane debris, body parts, chaff, and a homing beacon, against the walls at the proposed point of ‘impact’. Shaped charges were also fitted into the walls. On Sep 11, the CIA pilot flew the passenger plane along the trajectory which the homing beacon was sending, just prior to ‘impact’ he remotely triggered the shaped charges hidden in the Pentagon and executed a steep climb. The charges blew the walls out and in as planned, fake debris and body parts were scattered about and the chaff (written off as debris from the explosion) obfuscated the radar signal, giving the pilot time to pull up and away and become ‘lost’ in the confusion of the day. He later landed the plane at an undisclosed location.

Nobody saw the plane pull away as all eyes were on the explosion, and as people were expecting to see a plane impact the Pentagon, that is exactly what they saw. Exactly as planned by the perpetrators.

It looks like you were all wrong.
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My Imagination-Fu is stronger than MagZ' Imagination-Fu.
 
MaGZ said:
WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.
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Don't you mean Explosive Demolition?

Or are you just making ◊◊◊◊ up?

Oh...wait :rolleyes:
 
The planned Bush assassination plot that morning was similar to the assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud in northern Afghanistan two days earlier with the use of a exploding camera. The explosives in the camera was prepared days earlier by Atta using a "Mother of Satan" explosive mixture.
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Got evidence?

One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River).
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That would take an invisible missile. No such thing exists.

The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.
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Totally pulled out of your undies. The plane was functioning normal;ly until it went hunting moles.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.
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Can't be done the way it was without hush-a-booms.

The anthrax came from their bio-weapons lab in Nes Ziona.
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Got evidence?
 
aggle-rithm said:
In what way did the anthrax attacks lead to the invasion of Iraq?
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I can't think of any connection made by the government or media of the anthrax to Iraq either. You'd think the perps would have just made up Iraqi hijackers in the first place. ;)
 
twinstead said:
Jesus, MaGZ, anybody can make stuff up. Your theory would make a great spy movie, but for our purposes it has to match the available evidence better than the "official story", don't you agree?
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I was just thinking that he's elaborated the story just like moviemakers do when creating an "inspired by a true story" picture. Real life doesn't have all the interesting connections that movies do, so the narrative has to be improved upon to make it more palatable to audiences.

Thus we have Atta becoming a bombmaker as well as a hijacker, KSM hanging out with the boys in Vegas (makes for stunning visuals to spice up the tedious planning sessions), and missiles flying around Manhattan, adding to the drama and excitement.

Keep it up, MaGZ, soon you'll be better than Dylan Avery at making movies!
 
MaGZ said:
The anthrax attacks that followed over the next few weeks was a Mossad operation that was initially planned as early as 1998 but was moved up as a follow-on to the 9/11 attacks. The anthrax attacks were designed by Israel to get the US to attack and invade Iraq. The anthrax came from their bio-weapons lab in Nes Ziona.
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You may want to read up on those anthrax attacks.There's good genetic evidence that seems to disprove your wild speculation as to the origin of the spores.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...ic-evidence-for-the-2001-anthrax-attacks.html
 
defaultdotxbe said:
although I never paid enough attention to him to know if that was always part of his theory.
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Part of his theory? Hell, it's part of his name!


"MaGZ" = "Missiles at Ground Zero".


It's an interesting concoction of reality and fantasy, though. It doesn't rely on anything that directly contradicts any known evidence (existence of AQ, hijackers, planes, and what not), it merely introduces new elements for which there are no real evidence (CD, missiles, Mossad, et al.).
 
Let's see how this goes. Disclaimer: this is an attempt at parody (which will fail).

In early 1991, George H.W. Bush foresaw he was going to loose the election and made a contingency plan to allow his son George W. Bush to take power after a period of democrat rule. In uttermost secrecy he assembled a small, but extremely loyal team of operatives, loyalists since the Regan and Nixon times to pull off the attacks. Logistically the largest part of the operation was to wire up the WTC 1, 2 and 7, and this part took almost 10 years to complete. Every week a small portion of the building was wired up with bombs and thermite to be eventually demolished. Thermite was chosen because it's chemical signature would be lost in the building debris, and because it allowed for a silent demolition.

Another major aspect of the operation was infiltration of several operatives into NORAD and US military high commands in a way that was not suspicious. This was done through GOP contacts in the military, and the responsible officials were kept in the dark about the purpose of this infiltration, or indeed that there was an infiltration at all.

A third group prepared a secret missile launcher in Virginia, in order to attack the Pentagon. Further contacts were used to move people within the military who suspected the attack was going to take place into the wing of the Pentagon that was going to be attacked. To remove suspicion from themselves, the attack was planned to take place just after the wing was renovated and reinforced to ensure the majority of military brass would be safe - the vast majority of the military were unquestionably but ignorantly on the side of conspirators - they would support without a question, but didn't know what they were planning.

A fourth group tracked groups of innocent men of Muslim faith and Arab nationality to create a pool of future scapegoats that would be labeled as hijackers.

A fifth group group tracked frequent travelers between East and West coast, also to create a pool of victims whose voices would be simulated to their families.

A sixth group modified a number of aircraft, especially in AA and UA, with remote control systems, which enabled them to control the aircraft from special military planes and even ground facilities.

In late 1999 or early 2000 the preparations were complete and the time was right to call Diebold to ensure George W. Bush won the 2000 election. Immediately afterward the plan was set in motion: major exercises were scheduled on the exact day of the attack to cover for inefficiency of the response on that day. Work on the Pentagon was sped up, to allow the first undesirables to move in their new offices.

On the September of 11th, the conspirators choose from the pool of flights the four flights that best suited their parameters: they all had enough innocent Muslim men on board to allow for a convincing hijack, and most of them had at least a few people whose voices could be morphed. Ideally the conspirators aimed for 5 hijackers per plane, but Flight 93 had several people whose voices could be morphed, which is why this flight was picked.
Planes were hijacked by remote control and all communications were disabled. Using voice morphing technology the conspirators faked calls to the passengers' loved ones to create and illusion of an attack. Two planes were successfully flown into WTC 1 and 2, whereas a third plane was steered clear of the nations' capitol to plunge deep into the Atlantic ocean. This was necessary because the conspirators knew disabling Pentagons secret missile batteries was impossible. However this wasn't a problem to present to the public, since the missiles were known only to a small number of people (outside of US this was only known one french and one saudi officer). This was the reason a missile was used instead. Since most of the die-hard operatives had completed the tasks before this time they were used to fake plane crash evidence in front of the Pentagon, and a few patsies were bought off to testify of seeing a plane.

During the attacks, Flight 93 developed a communications fault and had to be shot down by the late-arriving fighters. Fake voice calls simulated a heroic resistance, which was a surprising boon to the conspirators. They claimed the plane wasn't shot down to promote the fake heroes and improve morale of their forces.

In the WTC complex, the two towers were demolished as planned. Thermite and bombs went off, and were convincingly explained by various experts and patsies. In order to make WTC 7s' collapse more convincing fake reports of fires and damage were circulated among the firefighters, so they expected the building to collapse. The building was then imploded. Larry Silverstien was a major financial contributor to the operation, which was why he was allowed such huge payouts from the insurance industry.

Bush had 8 years to run wild, after which he lost power because he was too stupid to property run his empire.

There, this covers the major bits. It failed as parody, however, since it is much more internally consistent than anything pushed forward by the twoofers.

McHrozni
 
Horatius said:
Part of his theory? Hell, it's part of his name!


"MaGZ" = "Missiles at Ground Zero".


It's an interesting concoction of reality and fantasy, though. It doesn't rely on anything that directly contradicts any known evidence (existence of AQ, hijackers, planes, and what not), it merely introduces new elements for which there are no real evidence (CD, missiles, Mossad, et al.).
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i know missiles were, i was referring to WTC7 being a CD after being hit by a missile, i dont know if that was always his theory or if it was originally all missile damage that caused the collapse
 
MaGZ said:
My theory on 9/11:

AQ did it.

The Mossad was operating in the US under the guise of Israeli Art Students watching the hijackers at the request of US intelligence agencies. The Mossad reported back to the Americans but did not relay any information they learned indicating a coming attack. The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did to tell what they knew.

KSM ran the operation in the US, and meet groups of hijackers in Las Vegas on several occasions.

The plan on 9/11 by AQ was to takeout the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, the White House and/or Congress and the assassination of President Bush in Florida. Other planes were part of the attack but were grounded. These would-be hijackers ran from the grounded planes.

The planned Bush assassination plot that morning was similar to the assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud in northern Afghanistan two days earlier with the use of a exploding camera. The explosives in the camera was prepared days earlier by Atta using a "Mother of Satan" explosive mixture.

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.

The anthrax attacks that followed over the next few weeks was a Mossad operation that was initially planned as early as 1998 but was moved up as a follow-on to the 9/11 attacks. The anthrax attacks were designed by Israel to get the US to attack and invade Iraq. The anthrax came from their bio-weapons lab in Nes Ziona.
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Cool story, bro
 
MaGZ said:
My theory on 9/11:

AQ did it.

The Mossad was operating in the US under the guise of Israeli Art Students watching the hijackers at the request of US intelligence agencies. The Mossad reported back to the Americans but did not relay any information they learned indicating a coming attack. The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did to tell what they knew.

KSM ran the operation in the US, and meet groups of hijackers in Las Vegas on several occasions.

The plan on 9/11 by AQ was to takeout the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, the White House and/or Congress and the assassination of President Bush in Florida. Other planes were part of the attack but were grounded. These would-be hijackers ran from the grounded planes.

The planned Bush assassination plot that morning was similar to the assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud in northern Afghanistan two days earlier with the use of a exploding camera. The explosives in the camera was prepared days earlier by Atta using a "Mother of Satan" explosive mixture.

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.

The anthrax attacks that followed over the next few weeks was a Mossad operation that was initially planned as early as 1998 but was moved up as a follow-on to the 9/11 attacks. The anthrax attacks were designed by Israel to get the US to attack and invade Iraq. The anthrax came from their bio-weapons lab in Nes Ziona.
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Well it is an "interesting" theory. Now the next step is to provide EVIDENCE to support it.

Go...

TAM:)
 
MaGZ said:
My theory on 9/11:

AQ did it.

The Mossad was operating in the US under the guise of Israeli Art Students watching the hijackers at the request of US intelligence agencies. The Mossad reported back to the Americans but did not relay any information they learned indicating a coming attack. The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did to tell what they knew.
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The above is NOT....a theory.

Theory: In the scientific or empirical tradition, the term "theory" is reserved for ideas which meet baseline requirements about the kinds of empirical observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of the class to which it pertains. These requirements vary across different scientific fields of knowledge, but in general theories are expected to be functional and parsimonious: i.e. a theory should be the simplest possible tool that can be used to effectively address the given class of phenomena.

What MaGZ has given us, is a guess....with a lot imagination, and a bigoted presumption of the facts. His guess is not based on investigation and evidence...but simply the way he wants it to be.
 
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T.A.M. said:
Well it is an "interesting" theory. Now the next step is to provide EVIDENCE to support it.

Go...

TAM:)
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doesn't evidence come before the theory is developed?

at most, MaGZ has a hypothesis...NOT a theory.
 
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Hey, this makes my theory look sane in comparison! I at least have SOME evidence to support it!

My theory is that rogue submarines brought the towers down. They surfaced into the core, and then submerged, dragging the towers down with them.
My evidence? The "squibs". They look suspiciously like the air exiting the main ballast tank vents on subs when they submerge.
 
Wait...something I'm not understand about MaGz hypothesis. The damage and fires of building 7 were caused by an air-to-air missile, that was fired at one the of planes, and missed....but the fires in the WTC7 didn't start until after the first tower collapse.

I guess no one noticed the building burning for an hour? Or noticed a missile strike? LOL!
 
McHrozni said:
Let's see how this goes. Disclaimer: this is an attempt at parody (which will fail).

In early 1991, George H.W. Bush foresaw he was going to loose the election and made a contingency plan to allow his son George W. Bush to take power after a period of democrat rule. In uttermost secrecy he assembled a small, but extremely loyal team of operatives, loyalists since the Regan and Nixon times to pull off the attacks. Logistically the largest part of the operation was to wire up the WTC 1, 2 and 7, and this part took almost 10 years to complete. Every week a small portion of the building was wired up with bombs and thermite to be eventually demolished. Thermite was chosen because it's chemical signature would be lost in the building debris, and because it allowed for a silent demolition.

Another major aspect of the operation was infiltration of several operatives into NORAD and US military high commands in a way that was not suspicious. This was done through GOP contacts in the military, and the responsible officials were kept in the dark about the purpose of this infiltration, or indeed that there was an infiltration at all.

A third group prepared a secret missile launcher in Virginia, in order to attack the Pentagon. Further contacts were used to move people within the military who suspected the attack was going to take place into the wing of the Pentagon that was going to be attacked. To remove suspicion from themselves, the attack was planned to take place just after the wing was renovated and reinforced to ensure the majority of military brass would be safe - the vast majority of the military were unquestionably but ignorantly on the side of conspirators - they would support without a question, but didn't know what they were planning.

A fourth group tracked groups of innocent men of Muslim faith and Arab nationality to create a pool of future scapegoats that would be labeled as hijackers.

A fifth group group tracked frequent travelers between East and West coast, also to create a pool of victims whose voices would be simulated to their families.

A sixth group modified a number of aircraft, especially in AA and UA, with remote control systems, which enabled them to control the aircraft from special military planes and even ground facilities.

In late 1999 or early 2000 the preparations were complete and the time was right to call Diebold to ensure George W. Bush won the 2000 election. Immediately afterward the plan was set in motion: major exercises were scheduled on the exact day of the attack to cover for inefficiency of the response on that day. Work on the Pentagon was sped up, to allow the first undesirables to move in their new offices.

On the September of 11th, the conspirators choose from the pool of flights the four flights that best suited their parameters: they all had enough innocent Muslim men on board to allow for a convincing hijack, and most of them had at least a few people whose voices could be morphed. Ideally the conspirators aimed for 5 hijackers per plane, but Flight 93 had several people whose voices could be morphed, which is why this flight was picked.
Planes were hijacked by remote control and all communications were disabled. Using voice morphing technology the conspirators faked calls to the passengers' loved ones to create and illusion of an attack. Two planes were successfully flown into WTC 1 and 2, whereas a third plane was steered clear of the nations' capitol to plunge deep into the Atlantic ocean. This was necessary because the conspirators knew disabling Pentagons secret missile batteries was impossible. However this wasn't a problem to present to the public, since the missiles were known only to a small number of people (outside of US this was only known one french and one saudi officer). This was the reason a missile was used instead. Since most of the die-hard operatives had completed the tasks before this time they were used to fake plane crash evidence in front of the Pentagon, and a few patsies were bought off to testify of seeing a plane.

During the attacks, Flight 93 developed a communications fault and had to be shot down by the late-arriving fighters. Fake voice calls simulated a heroic resistance, which was a surprising boon to the conspirators. They claimed the plane wasn't shot down to promote the fake heroes and improve morale of their forces.

In the WTC complex, the two towers were demolished as planned. Thermite and bombs went off, and were convincingly explained by various experts and patsies. In order to make WTC 7s' collapse more convincing fake reports of fires and damage were circulated among the firefighters, so they expected the building to collapse. The building was then imploded. Larry Silverstien was a major financial contributor to the operation, which was why he was allowed such huge payouts from the insurance industry.

Bush had 8 years to run wild, after which he lost power because he was too stupid to property run his empire.

There, this covers the major bits. It failed as parody, however, since it is much more internally consistent than anything pushed forward by the twoofers.

McHrozni
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I still think Homeland Insurgency has the most robust theory of the 9/11 attacks; his fat wife threw planes into the towers.
 
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The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did not tell what they knew.
 
parky76 said:
doesn't evidence come before the theory is developed?

at most, MaGZ has a hypothesis...NOT a theory.
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yes, if we go by the book. I was, much to my shame, talking in more laymens terms...you know...

"Nice theory guy, now how about some truth"...you know, kinda like that.

TAM:)
 
aggle-rithm said:
Why was Israel worried about Iraq?

In what way did the anthrax attacks lead to the invasion of Iraq?
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Before 9/11 Israel wanted to remove Sadam. The propaganda back then was the same today over Iran except they were talking about Sadam's WMDs instead of Iran's potential nukes. Israel decided in order to get the US to invade Iraq the US would have to suffer a bio-weapons attack.

Israel's Mossad learned of the 9/11 attacks and moved the anthrax attack operation up.

Once the anthrax attacks occurred the immediate speculation was Sadam did it. This helped the Bush administration to invade Iraq and Sadam was removed from power.
 
MaGZ said:
Amended opening statement:

The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did not tell what they knew.
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Thank you for addressing the Single Greatest Error in your OP.[/sarcasm]
 
MaGZ said:
Before 9/11 Israel wanted to remove Sadam. The propaganda back then was the same today over Iran except they were talking about Sadam's WMDs instead of Iran's potential nukes. Israel decided in order to get the US to invade Iraq the US would have to suffer a bio-weapons attack.

Israel's Mossad learned of the 9/11 attacks and moved the anthrax attack operation up.

Once the anthrax attacks occurred the immediate speculation was Sadam did it. This helped the Bush administration to invade Iraq and Sadam was removed from power.
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you know, this is JREF.

guesses out of your bung-hole, without any confirmed evidence, really is not appropriate for explaining complicated current events.
 
Macgyver1968 said:
Wait...something I'm not understand about MaGz hypothesis. The damage and fires of building 7 were caused by an air-to-air missile, that was fired at one the of planes, and missed....but the fires in the WTC7 didn't start until after the first tower collapse.

I guess no one noticed the building burning for an hour? Or noticed a missile strike? LOL!
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Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
 
MaGZ said:
Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.
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Bullcrap

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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Mike Catalano.
 
MaGZ said:
There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile.
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no. people mistook the second plane..for a missile.

stop lying about 9-11.
 
MaGZ said:
Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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I'd like to see these images. Why weren't there any reports on the news about 7 being on fire then, before the collapse?
 
McHrozni said:
It failed as parody, however, since it is much more internally consistent than anything pushed forward by the twoofers.
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Sad but true. And fact will go right over their heads to boot.
 
MaGZ said:
There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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No, it was A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL ACTIVITY.

And it flaps its wings, just like the missile in your video!
 
MaGZ said:
Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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I am going to try and be a nice as possible here.

When going through a traumatic situation, one is not exactly in the best state to make judgments on things that are happening in seconds. ( This btw is ignoring the fact that the sightings of missiles could be simple fabrications. )

As a great example, i was in a rather nasty car wreck and at one point i thought for certain my leg was removed from my body. Turns out nothing of the sort happened, and i am happily walking around today.

Point being being in the area of the towers falling would be a lot more disorienting and scary than a car wreck, so if a few people think they saw something weird , well that dosn't really surprise me. Now considering we have all the other people and the physical evidence to back up that they were in fact planes, i don't consider this testimony too damning.
 
i wanna know if MaGZ REALLY believes this stuff, or is just making fun of 9-11 truth.
 
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