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Old 23rd May 2010, 11:30 AM   #281
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I can't help wondering if you are, or want to be, somehow involved in selling these wands.

Your background does not really give me any confidence in your ability to honestly test "Alternate health" products.
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Old 23rd May 2010, 11:33 AM   #282
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Len:

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you're sincerely trying to expose the Wand as the non working piece of junk it really is Len. I'm not sure with your errrr... questionable background (even within the MLM world), you are the best person to conduct such tests.

Perhaps if you could supply some online places where you are hailed as a bastion of society (apart from your own website), maybe some links to the great work you have done on behalf of the JREF of which you have been card carrying member for so long, or some of the investigations you have done in conjunction with CSICOP, that would help us to balance the fairly poor opinion people seem to have of you. I'm not sure the links from your website to the cases you have exposed or criticised are much help as in such a competitve backstabbing industry that is so full of scammers, everyone seems to criticise and expose everyone else whilst painting themselves whiter than white.

In Vegas there is a guy called Penn Jillette, nip round to the Rio Casino one evening, give him the wand to test and see what he thinks of it.
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Old 23rd May 2010, 11:49 AM   #283
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Originally Posted by Toke View Post
I can't help wondering if you are, or want to be, somehow involved in selling these wands.

Your background does not really give me any confidence in your ability to honestly test "Alternate health" products.
Then you did nothing to investigate my background.

Did you review ANY of the links I just directed you to?

Like, for example, my article titled "MLM Products: Shouldn't We Be Ashamed?", or "MLM Gimmicks: The Truth Behind All Those Screwy Deals".

For the record, besides having attended three "Amazing Meetings" here in Vegas, I spent a weekend with Ray Hyman and his fellow "Skeptic's Toolbox" faculty members at the University of Oregon where we were trained on, among other things, precisely how to "honestly test Alternate health".

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Len:

If
you're sincerely trying to expose the Wand as the non working piece of junk it really is Len. I'm not sure with your errrr... questionable background (even within the MLM world), you are the best person to conduct such tests.

Perhaps if you could supply some online places where you are hailed as a bastion of society (apart from your own website), maybe some links to the great work you have done on behalf of the JREF of which you have been card carrying member for so long, or some of the investigations you have done in conjunction with CSICOP, that would help us to balance the fairly poor opinion people seem to have of you. I'm not sure the links from your website to the cases you have exposed or criticized are much help as in such a competitve backstabbing industry that is so full of scammers, everyone seems to criticise and expose everyone else whilst painting themselves whiter than white.

In Vegas there is a guy called Penn Jillette, nip round to the Rio Casino one evening, give him the wand to test and see what he thinks of it.
I've declared my intentions and, apparently being one of the very few here that have openly identified themselves (because I have nothing to hide), my background is readily available online.

If no one wants to assist me in exposing a likely scam, no problem. I'll write this board off as just another waste of time and move on. Kind of disappointing, but no big deal.

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Old 23rd May 2010, 12:01 PM   #285
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Then you did nothing to investigate my background.
I did look at your homepage, you appear quite qualified at mlm/netork marketing.
On skimming, our two articles look to be on how most/many of all the other MLM types are just out to scam people.

How does that qualify you for testing the health effects of anything?
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Old 23rd May 2010, 12:28 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by MWave View Post
I've declared my intentions and, apparently being one of the very few here that have openly identified themselves (because I have nothing to hide), my background is readily available online.
Yes and as it's been pointed out everything written about you paints you in a bad light (unless it's on your own website were you are of course whiter than white and an expert and successful MLM agent).

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If no one wants to assist me in exposing a likely scam, no problem. I'll write this board off as just another waste of time and move on. Kind of disappointing, but no big deal.

Len
I'm sure we'd love to be able to help you Len, but now I'm wondering why you would need our help if you have already been "trained on, among other things, precisely how to honestly test Alternate health" by Ray Hyman and his fellow "Skeptic's Toolbox

Why would suggestions from anonymous people on the internet be more valuable?
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Old 23rd May 2010, 12:54 PM   #287
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I always enjoy when someone tries to make a virtue of them revealing their real name on the intertubes. Because when I'm assessing information, I don't go on evidence, literacy, clarity of thought or anything like that. No, I base my decision on whether the person uses an online pseudonym.

I used to be a big fan of Queen until I found out the lead singer's name wasn't really Freddie Mercury.
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I used to be a big fan of Queen until I found out the lead singer's name wasn't really Freddie Mercury.
Do you really expect us to believe in that Mr./Mrs. "Sledge" ?
You better supply your real name and a video of you with your Queen record collection.
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I don't mind you doubting my love of Queen, but please don't call me Mr./Mrs. The operation and a course of tablets removed that ambiguity several years ago.
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Well, ok then.
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Old 23rd May 2010, 01:36 PM   #292
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I don't mind you doubting my love of Queen, but please don't call me Mr./Mrs. The operation and a course of tablets removed that ambiguity several years ago.
And here I thought I was worshipping "His Sledgeness" slayer of fake psychics!
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Originally Posted by MWave View Post
Normally I'd take offense to this cynical guilty until proven innocent approach, buy hey, it's a skeptics forum, which is likely full of skeptics. So I'll indulge this for one round. Then I hope you all might actually try to assist me.


Indulge what you will, mate.

I am indeed cynical, and a presumption of guilt is my prerogative. Soz.

As for the others, you're correct - there are dozens of sceptics about the place and it's actually their indulgence that matters most of all. Good luck.


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Quatloos, as I'm sure most of you know, is a haven for haters, anti-MLM zealots, and run of the mill internet trolls.


I'm not sure that most of us know any such thing, but I do know that the CT sub-forum is full of haters, anti-MLM zealots aren't the natural enemy of either cynics or sceptics and internet trolls are a popular hobby here.

Oops.


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Surely no one here actually considers this forum a credible source of information. Yes?


No? I do. Why would I regard Quatloos as being any less credible than, say, an MLM promoter? You're one of those, aren't you?

And stop calling me Shirley.


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And yes, I've recently been made an admin of the Scam.com board as part of the owner's and other moderator's efforts to clean out all the anonymous haters and trolls and actually make it what it's suppose to be - a forum to expose scams.


So you say. Others say differently. For instance, we can read this at Quatloos.com
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For starts, you have to understand that at one end of the spectrum we have forums like Quatloos! and scam.com - ("a vibrant online community that exposes scams on the internet - Multi level marketing and Get Rich Quick schemes legal and illegal").

On the other end of the spectrum are the MLM proponents like Len Clements, who usually begins his posts with a long winded introduction to himself along the lines of "have 30 years of industry experience, the number one income earner in three different network marketing companies, been a corporate consultant for industry giants like Bain & Co., Amway and Franklin Covey, an award-winning author and publisher, and have even been an industry expert witness on 11 different court cases", etc. etc.

Hmmmm.


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Tracy Coenen (Sequenceinc.com) is a cohort of Barry Minkow (Google him). The two links you provided refers to propaganda posted on Usana's Yahoo stock board by Steve Rotolante (alias terminatedramp - a name he came up with to proudly declare his account had previously been terminated by Yahoo) who is also an accomplice in Minkow's stock shorting scheme, and who hates me because I keep exposing his lies and mistakes. Coenen just took what ever garbage Rotolante posted and repeated it in her blog

Originally Posted by the Fraud Files blog
Tracy Coenen is a forensic accountant and fraud examiner in Chicago and Milwaukee who investigates white collar crimes, including cases of financial statement fraud, embezzlement, tax fraud, and insurance fraud. She is the author of Expert Fraud Investigation and Essentials of Corporate Fraud and more than 100 articles on fraud featured in industry publications.

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When I went in to refute these claims and provide verifiable facts to support my rebuttal, Coanan, who claims to be a devout advocate of freedom of speech and defender of the First Amendment, deleted my responses and blocked my ability to comment on any of her blog entries.


Jebus, another one of "them".

Freedom of Speech? First Amendment?

Welcome to the internet.


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As for oneunites.com, although I appreciate her promotion of me and my company, I have no idea who this person is, and have nothing what-so-ever to do with her lead generation program.


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However, this wasn’t always true in the past. I was really struggling to earn money in the MLM industry. In fact, I didn’t even generate a single dollar for weeks in numerous occasions. I needed help and this was when I came across Len Clements.

So, who is Len Clements and how did he help me make money in network marketing or the MLM industry?

Hear that sound, Len? It's the sound of hundreds of eyebrows, raising in unison.


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In the process of exposing scams and frauds over the last 20 years I have pissed a lot of people off. I'm sure you'll find a lot of their rantings on line.


Maybe they were simply your competitors? The MLM 'industry' is pretty cut-throat that way, isn't it?


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If you want to know who I am and why I'm here, why not post links to the schemes I've exposed and/or criticized? There are numerous examples on my website.


Not my job, Len. I'll post links to help make my case, not yours.


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Apparently I can't post links here until I've posted 15 times (odd rule),

<snip attempt to bypass rule>


Ya think?


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While doing your online investigation of me, you might also want to start by taking a look at the legal case list on my resume here:

marketwaveinc.com/about.asp


Do I give you the impression that I'm just posting off the top of my head?

Hint: I'm not.


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You'll find that in most cases I've testified against MLM companies, including three cases on behalf of distributor plaintiffs against Equinox, one of the largest and most notorious pyramid schemes.


What I find is that you don't like competition for your own marketing schemes.


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As I said, I'm extremely skeptical of the Amega wand.


Wise move. It's just a stick.


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My intention is to expose it as a fraud.


Why?


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However, I will not slant the data. What ever it shows is what I will report. That's why I want to make sure I design and conduct tests that cannot "validate" the wand due to the placebo effect or kinesthetic tricks.


OK


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If I'm in the wrong place, no problem. I'll leave. Just let me know.

Len


Not for me to say.

When are you going to tell us about Yoli?


Waenre
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Old 23rd May 2010, 03:12 PM   #294
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Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
Indeed, I immediately smelled fish (or was it squid?) when I read Len's post last night.

What better way to fake a test to sell a scam to someone than by being able to claim the test was suggested by the JREF?

I maybe wrong, time will tell and if history is correct Len will soon be back to either clear his name or dig his grave.

my bolding

Very much in the style of Anita 'Vision from Feeling' Ikonen.


Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
Enquiring minds (at Squid Fishing Monthly) need to know.


As always, SFM will have exclusive rights to the full story of this unfolding drama.



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The Amega Wand seems to have an incredible power to draw drive-by woos to a thread.


Amega Wands, Pyramids and UFOs. I wonder what the link is.
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Old 23rd May 2010, 03:21 PM   #295
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Amega Wands, Pyramids and UFOs. I wonder what the link is.
I have not seen the wand, but could they contain a small crystal tetrahedron from an alien world?
It could explain the price.
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Old 23rd May 2010, 03:32 PM   #296
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Originally Posted by MWave View Post
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If I'm in the wrong place, no problem. I'll leave. Just let me know.

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Nah, the only people who are in the wrong place here are those who believe they are eminently capable of outwitting the collective wisdom of JREF posters and advance transparent feeble attempts to use the forum for their personal advertising board. It's even against the rules to call people names, so you'll be fine.

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Akhenaten: Wise move. It's just a stick.
Sorry, I can't stop laughing.

I think the problem is that no one is interested in debunking a stick, since we all pretty much know it's just a stick. But if you have all this skepticism, well go for it. Epic film, book, the whole nine yards. As they say, burn 'em down dude.
Oh, and welcome.

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Originally Posted by MWave View Post
For example, I think I've got the "lemon test" figured out.
If Amega wand folks claim that it cures illnesses and makes lemons taste better, then I wouldn't spend much time proving that it doesn't really make lemons taste better. They could easily drop this claim and still lure people into buying this worthless product.


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I am also working on an article and video documentary regarding Amega's wand. I am, of course, quite skeptical. However, I do intend to perform a number of well designed tests (controlled, double blinded) and will pragmatically report what ever the results are.
What's wrong with the test and protocols already described in this thread?


ETA: if you don't like ours, then use Emily Rosa's. I think she even won awards with it.
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What's wrong with the test and protocols already described in this thread?

...

Seriously.

Len, did you read this thread before posting?
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The only thing I'm curious about in this thread is why a pyramid scheme bod would be interested in a magic wand. Are we about to see this stick being pushed by hapless fools clients of Len?
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I have wondered about that too.
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I have had a dozen people come to me about the wand, and simply ask them to prove that it works. Is this too much to ask?

There are many ways to do a simple placebo test in your own kitchen even...or ramp it up in a major event.

In your kitchen for example you must have a real wand, and a fake wand. A fake wand is to be put in your left back pocket without your guests knowing (they must look almost identical...perhaps buy one of the $20 ones they sell at 7-11)

Slice a lemon into 4 slices, give one person 2 of them while "wanding" one of the two with the real wand. Have the first person taste both slices. they will experience quite a difference in taste...as they expect to. (especially if the "wanded" one is tasted second)

Next; place the real wand into your back right pocket, and ask the next person to come up. Pull the fake wand out of your left back pocket without them knowing. Do the same demonstration on person #2. If the second person gets amazing results, you have demonstrated the placebo effect. If the second person does not get any results...further study is warranted, and it is on to a large group "pain demonstration" in front of a live audience using the same 'back pocket' technique.

If you have eliminated the plecebo effect in front of a large audience...time for an application for the MDC.

Other people should be important enough to consider the possible implications of deceiving them. There will be many stories of lost time, hope, and money.

If no one in Amega has done a placebo test yet (the company will not do it) their true agenda is in plain sight for all to see.
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Welcome, Nyepon!

I think their agenda is plain even without the placebo test.
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I have had a dozen people come to me about the wand,
Then you need to change your social circle

Originally Posted by Nyepon View Post
and simply ask them to prove that it works. Is this too much to ask?
Yes it is... because no it doesn't.

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There are many ways to do a simple placebo test in your own kitchen even...or ramp it up in a major event.
Or you can leave the wand salesperson outside and close the door after telling them where they can stick their stick.

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In your kitchen for example you must have a real wand, and a fake wand.
So let me get this right... I have to buy a wand off you before I can prove it doesn't work?

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A fake wand is to be put in your left back pocket without your guests knowing (they must look almost identical...perhaps buy one of the $20 ones they sell at 7-11)
Woah!!!... even paying $20 for a stick seems a bit steep. What sort of stick do they sell at the 7/11 for $20?

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Slice a lemon into 4 slices, give one person 2 of them while "wanding" one of the two with the real wand. Have the first person taste both slices. they will experience quite a difference in taste...as they expect to. (especially if the "wanded" one is tasted second)
So far I've had to buy a $300 stick, a $20 stick and some lemons.
To prove a stick won't make a lemon taste better!

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Next; place the real wand into your back right pocket, and ask the next person to come up. Pull the fake wand out of your left back pocket without them knowing.
You're obviously not a magician.

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Do the same demonstration on person #2. If the second person gets amazing results, you have demonstrated the placebo effect. If the second person does not get any results...further study is warranted,
Yes, I would suggest studies on your subject's taste buds.
Because the stick doesn't do anything so it must be a fault with the lemon taster.

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and it is on to a large group "pain demonstration" in front of a live audience using the same 'back pocket' technique.
Just looking in my 'Professor Hoffman's' for a detailed account of the 'back pocket' switch technique...
Here's a good "pain demonstration": Take the magic stick and stick it up the salesperson's fundament... sideways. If it doesn't hurt, then the stick is truly magic.

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If you have eliminated the plecebo effect in front of a large audience...time for an application for the MDC.
Yes, I wonder why no wand owner will ever apply?

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Other people should be important enough to consider the possible implications of deceiving them. There will be many stories of lost time, hope, and money.
Stories of wasted time, hopeless MLM marketing scams schemes and loss of money... (we're at $320 and two lemons already and we haven't even got the thing working yet!)

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If no one in Amega has done a placebo test yet (the company will not do it) their true agenda is in plain sight for all to see.
But creduloids tend to be blind to common sense so "their true agenda" will go unnoticed.

ETA: How rude of me, welcome to the forum Nyepon
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Woah!!!... even paying $20 for a stick seems a bit steep. What sort of stick do they sell at the 7/11 for $20?


This leapt out at me a bit too. Is there really a market for fake sticks?

How odd.


Anyway, allow me to join in the welcoming of Nyepon.


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Jesus, what a bunch of pricks. I came in here respectfully asking for help, and tried to answer what ever concerns you all had. I thought I was among some like minded skeptics who would be keen on helping me expose a scam. I really should have looked around a little before posting here. Turns out this board is as full of cowardly trolls who get off on trashing people, completely unprovoked, as scam.com and quatloos!

You can have your little mud puddle back. I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.
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Old 23rd May 2010, 10:33 PM   #309
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Jesus, what a bunch of pricks.



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I came in here respectfully asking for help, and tried to answer what ever concerns you all had.
And managed to answer NONE of them.

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I thought I was among some like minded skeptics
The really great thing about this forum is that it's filled with some of the most sceptical sceptics you will ever encounter, as you would know being a long time "card carrying member of the JREF". If your mind is not like ours, it may be because you are not sceptical enough?

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who would be keen on helping me expose a scam.
I think we're doing quite a good job of exposing a scam.

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I really should have looked around a little before posting here.
Yup, as a court certified expert and successful MLM man, you should know the importance of research.

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Turns out this board is as full of cowardly trolls
Who join up to keep a dying thread about a magic stick alive.

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who get off on trashing people, completely unprovoked, as scam.com and quatloos!
Instead of sulking about it... prove us wrong.
As sceptics we are driven by the evidence. So far the evidence doesn't weigh strongly in your favour.

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You can have your little mud puddle back. I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.
Sorry if we've hurt your feelings. Maybe I could sell you a magic wand that will make the pain go away?
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They are just so not not going to sell any of these sticks here.

We should start running a sweepstake on when the next sales rep will turn up.
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... Maybe I could sell you a magic wand that will make the pain go away?
I'll buy one. Does it have Codeine in it? Or just the magic... oh well
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Originally Posted by Sledge View Post
The only thing I'm curious about in this thread is why a pyramid scheme bod would be interested in a magic wand. Are we about to see this stick being pushed by hapless fools clients of Len?
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I have wondered about that too.
Already is. It's a MLM scheme, clearly.


And to anyone who's questioning Len's motives.... "Good!" I'm just counting down 'til IceRat joins this thread.

Nothing the MLM shills hate more than a new (and potentially successful) MLM scam that they didn't get onto first. And this one has all kinds of potential because not only do they get the old MLM pyramid thing going, but they have the Wonderful Wooiness of crystals, man! Combines all the smarmy high pressure hustle of MLM with all the gullible saps from the Sylvia Browne audiences.

There are only X number of gullible people out there, and Y number of good pyramid hustlers. For every Diamond or Emerald who signs up with Acme Shoe Polish MLM (or Amega Wand), that means one less potential revenue source (read: sucker in the middle of the pyramid) for their own. If Len sticks around, I'm sure he'll get around to admitting that he's an MLM guy, but you see, he's the good one, like IceRat. He doesn't harm anyone. He gives out good products for a fair price. Why, yes, they are consistantly more than 70% higher than similarly placed products, but you don't understand - these are superior Woo-Improved products made greater by the sheer fact that the hustlers MLMs say so.
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Originally Posted by MWave View Post
Jesus, what a bunch of pricks. I came in here respectfully asking for help, and tried to answer what ever concerns you all had. I thought I was among some like minded skeptics who would be keen on helping me expose a scam. I really should have looked around a little before posting here. Turns out this board is as full of cowardly trolls who get off on trashing people, completely unprovoked, as scam.com and quatloos!

You can have your little mud puddle back. I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.
Maybe one shouldn't judge a 23,000 member message board on the posts of a half-dozen users. Still, in any case, that's your right.

I'll keep an eye on your blog. I am interested in what the final video will look like.
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I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.
Yeah, those suckers aren't going to scam themselves, are they?
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I have had a dozen people come to me about the wand, and simply ask them to prove that it works. Is this too much to ask?

There are many ways to do a simple placebo test in your own kitchen even...or ramp it up in a major event.

In your kitchen for example you must have a real wand, and a fake wand. A fake wand is to be put in your left back pocket without your guests knowing (they must look almost identical...perhaps buy one of the $20 ones they sell at 7-11)

Slice a lemon into 4 slices, give one person 2 of them while "wanding" one of the two with the real wand. Have the first person taste both slices. they will experience quite a difference in taste...as they expect to. (especially if the "wanded" one is tasted second)

Next; place the real wand into your back right pocket, and ask the next person to come up. Pull the fake wand out of your left back pocket without them knowing. Do the same demonstration on person #2. If the second person gets amazing results, you have demonstrated the placebo effect. If the second person does not get any results...further study is warranted, and it is on to a large group "pain demonstration" in front of a live audience using the same 'back pocket' technique.

If you have eliminated the plecebo effect in front of a large audience...time for an application for the MDC.

Other people should be important enough to consider the possible implications of deceiving them. There will be many stories of lost time, hope, and money.

If no one in Amega has done a placebo test yet (the company will not do it) their true agenda is in plain sight for all to see.
Hmm? Per the advice of Squid Fishing Monthly, I think we'll wait a bit before casting our nets upon the waters. This is a very common sort of post on many of the MLM and Pro-Woo sites that are flogging WonderStickTM. 'Though I have to say, those usually end after four paragraphs of skepticism with "... I believe this one works, though."
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....
Woah!!!... even paying $20 for a stick seems a bit steep. What sort of stick do they sell at the 7/11 for $20?

....
http://www.jerkysupermarket.com/prod....asp?prodID=28
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Cool
So 100 sticks for $21.

And they probably definitely will do more good than the magic stick.
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I did a quick google of Yoli.
It is some kind of softdrink with a "blasting cap" holding part of the ingredients.

Having actual "end users" will surely be good for profits, but how much is made just from setting up the sales organisation?

And can you make a profit without actually starting a production of the product?

I mean, don't people pay for the opportunity to be part of such a great venture.
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Originally Posted by MWave View Post
Jesus, what a bunch of pricks. I came in here respectfully asking for help, and tried to answer what ever concerns you all had. I thought I was among some like minded skeptics who would be keen on helping me expose a scam. I really should have looked around a little before posting here. Turns out this board is as full of cowardly trolls who get off on trashing people, completely unprovoked, as scam.com and quatloos!

You can have your little mud puddle back. I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.
Uhhh, I think you missed something..

No one here, had any concerns about a magic wand ...
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