Steven Jones on Haiti

angrysoba · 22nd February 2010, 03:50 AM

Stephen Jones gears up for a talk about Haiti and says that the crisis was generated to grab the oil.

http://vimeo.com/9614190

He starts speaking about this at around the 6:20 mark on this video after David Ray Griffin waffles on about Sunstein (I think, I didn't actually listen to it though).

Sounds like he's doing another talk a bit later on and so is only introducing it here so maybe there's more video somewhere.

He seems a bit nervous as if he's worried about sounding like the nuttiest guy in a roomful of nuts. So he starts giggling a bit on the subject of the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and torture.

beachnut · 22nd February 2010, 04:25 AM

Does the dolt think HAARP did it? Jones thinks the US caused, "generated" the Haiti earthquake.

... thermite is eating his brain slowly.

Or here you can see it...

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at 7:07 or so; save some brain cells and let it load while you mow the lawn, fix lunch, do the dishes, write a play, build a computer, or something you like to do.

These guys are the personification of stupid.

defaultdotxbe · 22nd February 2010, 05:06 AM

grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere

McHrozni · 22nd February 2010, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere

You're at it again - how many times do I need to repeat: you must not allow facts to obscure the Truth.

McHrozni

MRC_Hans · 22nd February 2010, 05:21 AM

Why should anybody want to grab a country that is totally impoverished and disorganized. So much easier to just purchase any oil (and any civil servants needed).

Do these guys really, really think the US would have their soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could arrange for some nice little earthquakes, instead?

What is going on in their brains? ...... Oh, I see. ..... Forget the last question, then.

Hans

angrysoba · 22nd February 2010, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere

What oil? What oil?

The oil that Steven Jones says is there! He should know, he's a scientist!

sylvan8798 · 22nd February 2010, 06:00 AM

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angrysoba · 22nd February 2010, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

unity...oneness...networks of love and connection...

I know! Richard Gage's creepy sendoff could be misconstrued as the ramblings of a cult-leader for anyone who didn't realize they were at a meeting of scholarly scientists, architects and engineers.

cyclonic · 22nd February 2010, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere

When Jesus toured north america, he visited haiti and turned some of the freshwater springs into oil wells.

ElMondoHummus · 22nd February 2010, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

What oil? What oil?

The oil that Steven Jones says is there! He should know, he's a scientist!

I think this is based on some speculation by a former Mobile geologist:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM

Quote:

The Jan. 12 earthquake was on a fault line that passes near potential gas reserves, said Stephen Pierce, a geologist who worked in the region for 30 years for companies including the former Mobil Corp. The quake may have cracked rock formations along the fault, allowing gas or oil to temporarily seep toward the surface, he said yesterday in a telephone interview.

“A geologist, callous as it may seem, tracing that fault zone from Port-au-Prince to the border looking for gas and oil seeps, may find a structure that hasn’t been drilled,” said Pierce, exploration manager at Zion Oil & Gas Inc., a Dallas- based company that’s drilling in Israel. “A discovery could significantly improve the country’s economy and stimulate further exploration.”

... “One of the main reasons for the dearth of information on reserves in Haiti is that the Dominican Republic has numerous surface-hydrocarbon seeps while Haiti had very, very few,” he said.

Abraham Lincoln’s consul to the Dominican Republic reported oil seeps there in 1862. Neither nation produces oil or gas. As much as 1 trillion cubic feet of gas may be trapped in a border formation near the earthquake fault, Pierce said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM

(I'm waiting for some paranoia site to raise hay about the fact that this fellow now works for a company named "Zion Oil and Gas"... I'm actually surprised I didn't trip on any yet.)

Of course, that's all "potential". Keep in mind the actual production numbers:

Quote:

Oil - production: 0 bbl/day (2007 est.)
Rank: 189

http://www.indexmundi.com/haiti/oil_production.html
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/cou...ta.cfm?fips=HA

Haiti has no "proved" reserves (I don't know why the word isn't "proven", but that's what I'm finding on the net: The word "proved" when talking about petroleum reserves). This is not to say they have zero - recall, the Dominican Republic has no "proved" reserves either, but no one denies that some is available at Charco Largo. Still, though, it's somewhat amazing to imply that the US's motivations for being in Haiti are due to oil. If petroleum were truly the primary motivator of US policy, why haven't we invaded Canada? After all, they're second only to Saudi Arabia in terms of proved oil reserves, and the US wouldn't have to put together drilling facilities to access it; it's already there. Unlike in Haiti.

bill smith · 22nd February 2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

Does the dolt think HAARP did it? Jones thinks the US caused, "generated" the Haiti earthquake.

... thermite is eating his brain slowly.

Or here you can see it...

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at 7:07 or so; save some brain cells and let it load while you mow the lawn, fix lunch, do the dishes, write a play, build a computer, or something you like to do.

These guys are the personification of stupid.

Every government on earth knows that the Americans can use HAARP to cause Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Cyclones and what have you The only ones who don't know are the general populations of the world.

But I think we all know by now that that is rapidly changing.

They don't seem to be worried about that though. Maybe it's because they think they are getting away Scot-free with 9/11 and other atrocities. I really wonder if they have considered the longer term effects though ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc HAARP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0 Nicola Tesla

Panoply_Prefect · 22nd February 2010, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

Does the dolt think HAARP did it? Jones thinks the US caused, "generated" the Haiti earthquake.

... thermite is eating his brain slowly.

Or here you can see it...

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at 7:07 or so; save some brain cells and let it load while you mow the lawn, fix lunch, do the dishes, write a play, build a computer, or something you like to do.

These guys are the personification of stupid.

I'd say that Gages closing of that video (from 9.23) gives the explanation to why there are still truthers... It gives them "love and connection". And friends.

bill smith · 22nd February 2010, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

Does the dolt think HAARP did it? Jones thinks the US caused, "generated" the Haiti earthquake.

... thermite is eating his brain slowly.

Or here you can see it...

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at 7:07 or so; save some brain cells and let it load while you mow the lawn, fix lunch, do the dishes, write a play, build a computer, or something you like to do.

These guys are the personification of stupid.

You sound rattled Beachnut. You have every reason to be. How does it feel to be right on the edge ?

Unsecured Coins · 22nd February 2010, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

How does it feel to be right on the edge ?

i dunno... I'll let you know when I get there

Cuddles · 22nd February 2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

Of course, that's all "potential". Keep in mind the actual production numbers:

http://www.indexmundi.com/haiti/oil_production.html

What's most impressive is that despite producing a grand total of nothing, they're still ranked 156/209 (they're higher on the main ranking page than the one you linked, and the main page appears to be more recent). In fact, there are only 41 countries who don't produce anything who produce more than them.

BigAl · 22nd February 2010, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

I think this is based on some speculation by a former Mobile geologist:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM

(I'm waiting for some paranoia site to raise hay about the fact that this fellow now works for a company named "Zion Oil and Gas"... I'm actually surprised I didn't trip on any yet.)

FYI

Quote:

[Zion] was founded by John Brown, a Texas oil man and born-again Christian who believes that the Bible provides guidance on finding massive quantities of petroleum oil deposits in Israel. Brown personally believes that his involvement in Zion Oil was prophesied by 1 Kings (8:41) which mentions "a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name’s sake".[4]

Despite his unpromising background of Creationist beliefs, Brown has built up a significant oil exploration company, which employs serious business people and qualified geologists. Zion's Biblical literalists believe verbatim in the Bible, however they must accept the science of oil exploration where evolution is fact, and the earth is dated as being several billion years old. The science of oil exploration conflicts directly with Old Testament beliefs, yet according to Brown, suppression of literal interpretations of the Bible must be tolerated to provide the needed scientific basis for oil exploration.

Zion Oil is a loss-making operation, and has never turned a profit[5] an

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...nside_Zion_Oil

Scott Sommers · 22nd February 2010, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Every government on earth knows that the Americans can use HAARP to cause Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Cyclones and what have you The only ones who don't know are the general populations of the world.

But I think we all know by now that that is rapidly changing.

They don't seem to be worried about that though. Maybe it's because they think they are getting away Scot-free with 9/11 and other atrocities. I really wonder if they have considered the longer term effects though ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc HAARP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0 Nicola Tesla

That's amazing that all the scientists who don't work for the government have been fooled. But what do scientist know anyway. Right Bill? Weren't you advocating first impressions as a source of revealed truth? And advising members of the forum that investigation and science should not be trusted?

Good job Bill. Don't you see where you're going with this?

Travis · 22nd February 2010, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Every government on earth knows that the Americans can use HAARP to cause Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Cyclones and what have you The only ones who don't know are the general populations of the world.

But I think we all know by now that that is rapidly changing.

All the governments are aware that a harmless scientific instrument is being used to do things it's not actually capable of doing? Are all the governments also aware of the hiding place for the secret Leprechaun gold?

Unsecured Coins · 22nd February 2010, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

Are all the governments also aware of the hiding place for the secret Leprechaun gold?

DOOD. You're *********** up the program!

ElMondoHummus · 22nd February 2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

What's most impressive is that despite producing a grand total of nothing, they're still ranked 156/209 (they're higher on the main ranking page than the one you linked, and the main page appears to be more recent). In fact, there are only 41 countries who don't produce anything who produce more than them.

Heh... according to the eia.doe.gov site, the Dominican Republic had negative production. I wonder if this means they're putting oil back into the ground.

GlennB · 22nd February 2010, 10:38 AM

Why don't we HAARP the Iranian nuclear installations?
And N Korea?

Or maybe we will

CORed · 22nd February 2010, 10:49 AM

Well there's only two problems with the idea that the US caused the earthquake so we could take over Haiti.

1. There's no way we could have caused the earthquake.

2. There's no conceivable reason we would want to take over Haiti.

Other than that, it's a perfectly plausible hypothesis.

Longfellow · 22nd February 2010, 11:02 AM

HAARP? Really?

There seems to be no conspiracy theory too wacky for our bill smith. I just want to say thank you, bill smith, for the hours of enjoyment.

I sincerely hope you can continue posting within the Membership Agreement for many more years to come. If I'm having a bad day, all I need to do is look up a couple of your posts and my troubles melt away.

Thank you.

Wolrab · 22nd February 2010, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Every government on earth knows that the Americans can use HAARP to cause Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Cyclones and what have you

Okay, we admit it. The US regularly uses HAARP to cause all sorts of calamities in the world. All the governments of the world know this and can't do anything about it because it is TOP SECRET. The technology will never fall into enemy hands (just like the A-Bomb, the H-Bomb, and even advanced submarine propeller technology are still the exclusive domain of the US).
The US keeps secrets so well that not one person has come out to spill the beans on their part in 9/11.

Hans · 22nd February 2010, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Why should anybody want to grab a country that is totally impoverished and disorganized.

.....
What is going on in their brains? ...... Oh, I see. ..... Forget the last question, then.

Hans

Hmmmm yes why doesn't the US attack Luxembourg? Tiny army and the richest country in the world (per cap)

Oh god people think Haarp is really a zooper-secret weapon?............

The other Hans

BasqueArch · 22nd February 2010, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere

Quote:

Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive met yesterday in Montreal with diplomats, including U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to discuss redevelopment initiatives. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said wind power may play a role in rebuilding the Caribbean nation, where forests have been denuded for lack of fuel, the Canadian Press reported.

You're right, it's a fake by the shill Jones.
The US is really after their wind.
Just watch.
One day sunny and breezy. Next day cloudy and doldrums.
Since 1604, the US HAARP doldrums.

dudalb · 22nd February 2010, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

Does the dolt think HAARP did it? Jones thinks the US caused, "generated" the Haiti earthquake.

... thermite is eating his brain slowly.

Or here you can see it...

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

at 7:07 or so; save some brain cells and let it load while you mow the lawn, fix lunch, do the dishes, write a play, build a computer, or something you like to do.

These guys are the personification of stupid.

They have seen "A View To A Kill " too many times.

cantonear1968 · 22nd February 2010, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Stephen Jones gears up for a talk about Haiti and says that the crisis was generated to grab the oil.

OMG! I thought you were totally kidding! I started laughing when I read that! These guys are completely nuts!

leftysergeant · 22nd February 2010, 01:41 PM

As much influence as we have had in Haiti over all the years since the fall of Duvalier, we could have twisted the arms of their leaders to allow our oil companies dirt-cheap leases on any oil fields just to bring jobs into the country and stem the tide of illegal immigrants into Florida. Destroying their infrastructure would make the extraction of the oil that much harder, thus more expensive.

The reason our companies wanted the oil fields in Iraq is specificly that the oil is easier to extract and transport. Thus, even the oil-theft theory founders on the reef of cost v. profit.

beachnut · 22nd February 2010, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

i dunno... I'll let you know when I get there

she thinks I am a rock-star, on the edge

Poor Gage, he has an insane Jones who drank the Kool-aid, his own, and played with thermite too much.

Who is more insane, Jones or those who believe his lies...

Jones made up thermite causing the WTC collapse and now makes up more lies. He is a liar, a PhD who majors in BS.

OneShotKi11 · 22nd February 2010, 01:50 PM

Common guys give Alex some credit, he was thinking really scientifically on this one...

I thought it was a known fact that North and South America caused that earthquake. Along with the Cocos and Nazca Plates.

You at the Jref need to catch up. lolz

Travis · 22nd February 2010, 01:56 PM

I think we should start maintaining a list of all the things HAARP can supposedly do.

Sword_Of_Truth · 22nd February 2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

I think we should start maintaining a list of all the things HAARP can supposedly do.

We can keep it next to the list of things that are not a skyscraper yet can be used (according to the Froot Loop brigade) to model one.

T.A.M. · 22nd February 2010, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by cantonear1968

OMG! I thought you were totally kidding! I started laughing when I read that! These guys are completely nuts!

The thing that is even sadder, are the little douchebags who follow Jones, spue his crap as gospel, and try to convince others of the same.

You would think that most sensible human beings would listen to him say stuff like the above, realize he is a *********** lunitard, and refuse to believe anything he says on any subject period.

TAM

beachnut · 22nd February 2010, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by OneShotKi11

Common guys give Alex some credit, he was thinking really scientifically on this one...

I thought it was a known fact that North and South America caused that earthquake. Along with the Cocos and Nazca Plates.

You at the Jref need to catch up. lolz

Steven Earl Jones a physicist who was fired for making up lies about 911; he went insane. Alex Jones took too many steroids and became a dirt dumb nut case, Steve went nuts 4 years after 911 from drinking thermate in his coffee.

A thermate latte, please, with some nano-sugar

ElMondoHummus · 22nd February 2010, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

The reason our companies wanted the oil fields in Iraq is specificly that the oil is easier to extract and transport. Thus, even the oil-theft theory founders on the reef of cost v. profit.

This is actually an important point: The reasons the Middle East is known for petroleum production are

It's easy to extract
It's a very light, "sweet" crude that ends up producing quite a bit of the "money" distillates (gasoline, kerosene, diesel) than "heavier", more "sour" crudes.

Number 2 is irrelevant to this discussion, so 1. "It's easy to extract": It costs money to drill. It costs lots of money to drill deep. And it certainly costs lots of money to drill deep over water. Compare:

Quote:

According to Arizona Geological Survey, Oil drilling in Arizona costs between $400,000 to $1,000,000, depending on the depth of the hole and its location.

(Source: http://www.oil-price.net/en/articles...e-business.php)
Quote:

Experts believe the deposit, in the Tupi field 180 miles off the southeastern Brazilian coast, holds up to 8 billion barrels of light oil and natural gas...
... Yet the find will challenge Petrobras' reputation as one of the world's best at exploiting deep-sea oil deposits.
... Drilling the first well alone cost $240 million, and tapping the Tupi deposit will require investing at least $5 billion at the outset, Llewelyn said. Petrobras controls a 65 percent stake in the deposit, with British company BG Group and Portugal's Gal Energia controlling the rest.

(Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2007/12/0...l-find-in.html)

The comparison should only be taken so far; if you read the second link, you'll see that part of the problem is that they have harder "rock salt" to drill through. But the point remains: Over-water drilling is expensive.

Now, stop and consider the news of the potential oil in Haiti. Yes, I realize that the epicenter of this quake was on land, and that the fault does indeed run across land. But recall the geologist's speculation:

Quote:

The Dominican Republic shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. It may have 3 million barrels of oil in a shallow offshore formation that’s probably also shared by Haiti, Pierce said.

It's closer, but is it really worth the effort and outlay? Would the distance Middle East crude be shipped really make it that much more expensive than drilling over water? That's the question, and in general, it's demonstrated to be cheaper to rely on M.E. oil than to drill in difficult areas.

Does this disprove the woo-tasms about the US supposedly occupying Haiti for oil? No. But it does provide context with which to judge the claim.

Bosozoku · 22nd February 2010, 04:54 PM

Psh! You guys clearly don't know about the US's crazy plan to randomly attack the world's poorest and most resource-starved countries in the world.

Clearly we did this to send a message to our 2nd biggest enemy (besides Haiti), the Solomon Islands.

dudalb · 22nd February 2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

Psh! You guys clearly don't know about the US's crazy plan to randomly attack the world's poorest and most resource-starved countries in the world.

Clearly we did this to send a message to our 2nd biggest enemy (besides Haiti), the Solomon Islands.

Guess the Solomon islanders have forgotten how we kicked Japan's butt there (Guadalcanal,New Britain, Bougainville) during World War 2, and need a reminder.

Travis · 22nd February 2010, 05:21 PM

There is that meandering thread in the regular Conspiracy section where it is alleged the US invaded Haiti to threaten Chavez in Venezuela. It's only slightly less crazy than this idea.

Cl1mh4224rd · 22nd February 2010, 06:23 PM

HAARP: The Conspiracy Theorists' Swiss Army Knife

22nd February 2010, 03:50 AM	#1
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,943	Steven Jones on Haiti Stephen Jones gears up for a talk about Haiti and says that the crisis was generated to grab the oil. http://vimeo.com/9614190 He starts speaking about this at around the 6:20 mark on this video after David Ray Griffin waffles on about Sunstein (I think, I didn't actually listen to it though). Sounds like he's doing another talk a bit later on and so is only introducing it here so maybe there's more video somewhere. He seems a bit nervous as if he's worried about sounding like the nuttiest guy in a roomful of nuts. So he starts giggling a bit on the subject of the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and torture.
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22nd February 2010, 05:06 AM	#3
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,474	grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere
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22nd February 2010, 05:21 AM	#5
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 24,694	Why should anybody want to grab a country that is totally impoverished and disorganized. So much easier to just purchase any oil (and any civil servants needed). Do these guys really, really think the US would have their soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, if they could arrange for some nice little earthquakes, instead? What is going on in their brains? ...... Oh, I see. ..... Forget the last question, then. Hans
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22nd February 2010, 05:49 AM	#6
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,943	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere What oil? What oil? The oil that Steven Jones says is there! He should know, he's a scientist!
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22nd February 2010, 06:06 AM	#8
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,943	Originally Posted by sylvan8798 unity...oneness...networks of love and connection... I know! Richard Gage's creepy sendoff could be misconstrued as the ramblings of a cult-leader for anyone who didn't realize they were at a meeting of scholarly scientists, architects and engineers.
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22nd February 2010, 05:11 AM	#4
McHrozni Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,919	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere You're at it again - how many times do I need to repeat: you must not allow facts to obscure the Truth. McHrozni

22nd February 2010, 06:00 AM	#7
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22nd February 2010, 06:43 AM	#9
cyclonic Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 975	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere When Jesus toured north america, he visited haiti and turned some of the freshwater springs into oil wells.
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22nd February 2010, 07:07 AM	#10
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 12,282	Originally Posted by angrysoba What oil? What oil? The oil that Steven Jones says is there! He should know, he's a scientist! I think this is based on some speculation by a former Mobile geologist: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM Quote: The Jan. 12 earthquake was on a fault line that passes near potential gas reserves, said Stephen Pierce, a geologist who worked in the region for 30 years for companies including the former Mobil Corp. The quake may have cracked rock formations along the fault, allowing gas or oil to temporarily seep toward the surface, he said yesterday in a telephone interview. “A geologist, callous as it may seem, tracing that fault zone from Port-au-Prince to the border looking for gas and oil seeps, may find a structure that hasn’t been drilled,” said Pierce, exploration manager at Zion Oil & Gas Inc., a Dallas- based company that’s drilling in Israel. “A discovery could significantly improve the country’s economy and stimulate further exploration.” ... “One of the main reasons for the dearth of information on reserves in Haiti is that the Dominican Republic has numerous surface-hydrocarbon seeps while Haiti had very, very few,” he said. Abraham Lincoln’s consul to the Dominican Republic reported oil seeps there in 1862. Neither nation produces oil or gas. As much as 1 trillion cubic feet of gas may be trapped in a border formation near the earthquake fault, Pierce said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM (I'm waiting for some paranoia site to raise hay about the fact that this fellow now works for a company named "Zion Oil and Gas"... I'm actually surprised I didn't trip on any yet.) Of course, that's all "potential". Keep in mind the actual production numbers: Quote: Oil - production: 0 bbl/day (2007 est.) Rank: 189 http://www.indexmundi.com/haiti/oil_production.html http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/cou...ta.cfm?fips=HA Haiti has no "proved" reserves (I don't know why the word isn't "proven", but that's what I'm finding on the net: The word "proved" when talking about petroleum reserves). This is not to say they have zero - recall, the Dominican Republic has no "proved" reserves either, but no one denies that some is available at Charco Largo. Still, though, it's somewhat amazing to imply that the US's motivations for being in Haiti are due to oil. If petroleum were truly the primary motivator of US policy, why haven't we invaded Canada? After all, they're second only to Saudi Arabia in terms of proved oil reserves, and the US wouldn't have to put together drilling facilities to access it; it's already there. Unlike in Haiti.
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22nd February 2010, 08:12 AM	#14
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,905	Originally Posted by bill smith How does it feel to be right on the edge ? i dunno... I'll let you know when I get there
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22nd February 2010, 08:27 AM	#15
Cuddles Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 18,752	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus Of course, that's all "potential". Keep in mind the actual production numbers: http://www.indexmundi.com/haiti/oil_production.html What's most impressive is that despite producing a grand total of nothing, they're still ranked 156/209 (they're higher on the main ranking page than the one you linked, and the main page appears to be more recent). In fact, there are only 41 countries who don't produce anything who produce more than them.

22nd February 2010, 08:37 AM	#16
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,397	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus I think this is based on some speculation by a former Mobile geologist: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aUqFB_GbhRYM (I'm waiting for some paranoia site to raise hay about the fact that this fellow now works for a company named "Zion Oil and Gas"... I'm actually surprised I didn't trip on any yet.) FYI Quote: [Zion] was founded by John Brown, a Texas oil man and born-again Christian who believes that the Bible provides guidance on finding massive quantities of petroleum oil deposits in Israel. Brown personally believes that his involvement in Zion Oil was prophesied by 1 Kings (8:41) which mentions "a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name’s sake".[4] Despite his unpromising background of Creationist beliefs, Brown has built up a significant oil exploration company, which employs serious business people and qualified geologists. Zion's Biblical literalists believe verbatim in the Bible, however they must accept the science of oil exploration where evolution is fact, and the earth is dated as being several billion years old. The science of oil exploration conflicts directly with Old Testament beliefs, yet according to Brown, suppression of literal interpretations of the Bible must be tolerated to provide the needed scientific basis for oil exploration. Zion Oil is a loss-making operation, and has never turned a profit[5] an http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...nside_Zion_Oil
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22nd February 2010, 08:55 AM	#17
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,866	Originally Posted by bill smith Every government on earth knows that the Americans can use HAARP to cause Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Cyclones and what have you The only ones who don't know are the general populations of the world. But I think we all know by now that that is rapidly changing. They don't seem to be worried about that though. Maybe it's because they think they are getting away Scot-free with 9/11 and other atrocities. I really wonder if they have considered the longer term effects though ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc HAARP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0 Nicola Tesla That's amazing that all the scientists who don't work for the government have been fooled. But what do scientist know anyway. Right Bill? Weren't you advocating first impressions as a source of revealed truth? And advising members of the forum that investigation and science should not be trusted? Good job Bill. Don't you see where you're going with this?
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22nd February 2010, 09:09 AM	#18
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 24,129	Originally Posted by bill smith Every government on earth knows that the Americans can use HAARP to cause Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Cyclones and what have you The only ones who don't know are the general populations of the world. But I think we all know by now that that is rapidly changing. All the governments are aware that a harmless scientific instrument is being used to do things it's not actually capable of doing? Are all the governments also aware of the hiding place for the secret Leprechaun gold?
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22nd February 2010, 09:15 AM	#19
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,905	Originally Posted by Travis Are all the governments also aware of the hiding place for the secret Leprechaun gold? DOOD. You're *********** up the program!
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22nd February 2010, 10:24 AM	#20
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 12,282	Originally Posted by Cuddles What's most impressive is that despite producing a grand total of nothing, they're still ranked 156/209 (they're higher on the main ranking page than the one you linked, and the main page appears to be more recent). In fact, there are only 41 countries who don't produce anything who produce more than them. Heh... according to the eia.doe.gov site, the Dominican Republic had negative production. I wonder if this means they're putting oil back into the ground.
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22nd February 2010, 10:38 AM	#21
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 30,356	Why don't we HAARP the Iranian nuclear installations? And N Korea? Or maybe we will

22nd February 2010, 10:49 AM	#22
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,587	Well there's only two problems with the idea that the US caused the earthquake so we could take over Haiti. 1. There's no way we could have caused the earthquake. 2. There's no conceivable reason we would want to take over Haiti. Other than that, it's a perfectly plausible hypothesis.

22nd February 2010, 11:02 AM	#23
Longfellow St. Louis Cardinals Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Baseball Heaven Posts: 288	HAARP? Really? There seems to be no conspiracy theory too wacky for our bill smith. I just want to say thank you, bill smith, for the hours of enjoyment. I sincerely hope you can continue posting within the Membership Agreement for many more years to come. If I'm having a bad day, all I need to do is look up a couple of your posts and my troubles melt away. Thank you.
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22nd February 2010, 11:10 AM	#24
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,832	Quote: Every government on earth knows that the Americans can use HAARP to cause Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Cyclones and what have you Okay, we admit it. The US regularly uses HAARP to cause all sorts of calamities in the world. All the governments of the world know this and can't do anything about it because it is TOP SECRET. The technology will never fall into enemy hands (just like the A-Bomb, the H-Bomb, and even advanced submarine propeller technology are still the exclusive domain of the US). The US keeps secrets so well that not one person has come out to spill the beans on their part in 9/11.
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22nd February 2010, 11:22 AM	#25
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,040	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans Why should anybody want to grab a country that is totally impoverished and disorganized. ..... What is going on in their brains? ...... Oh, I see. ..... Forget the last question, then. Hans Hmmmm yes why doesn't the US attack Luxembourg? Tiny army and the richest country in the world (per cap) Oh god people think Haarp is really a zooper-secret weapon?............ The other Hans
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22nd February 2010, 11:34 AM	#26
BasqueArch Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,871	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe grab the oil? what oil? if haiti had oil they probably wouldnt be the poorest country in the western hemisphere Quote: Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive met yesterday in Montreal with diplomats, including U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to discuss redevelopment initiatives. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said wind power may play a role in rebuilding the Caribbean nation, where forests have been denuded for lack of fuel, the Canadian Press reported. You're right, it's a fake by the shill Jones. The US is really after their wind. Just watch. One day sunny and breezy. Next day cloudy and doldrums. Since 1604, the US HAARP doldrums.
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22nd February 2010, 01:02 PM	#28
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,657	Originally Posted by angrysoba Stephen Jones gears up for a talk about Haiti and says that the crisis was generated to grab the oil. OMG! I thought you were totally kidding! I started laughing when I read that! These guys are completely nuts!

22nd February 2010, 01:41 PM	#29
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 18,863	As much influence as we have had in Haiti over all the years since the fall of Duvalier, we could have twisted the arms of their leaders to allow our oil companies dirt-cheap leases on any oil fields just to bring jobs into the country and stem the tide of illegal immigrants into Florida. Destroying their infrastructure would make the extraction of the oil that much harder, thus more expensive. The reason our companies wanted the oil fields in Iraq is specificly that the oil is easier to extract and transport. Thus, even the oil-theft theory founders on the reef of cost v. profit.

22nd February 2010, 01:46 PM	#30
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 26,120	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins i dunno... I'll let you know when I get there she thinks I am a rock-star, on the edge Poor Gage, he has an insane Jones who drank the Kool-aid, his own, and played with thermite too much. Who is more insane, Jones or those who believe his lies... Jones made up thermite causing the WTC collapse and now makes up more lies. He is a liar, a PhD who majors in BS.
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22nd February 2010, 01:50 PM	#31
OneShotKi11 Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 789	Common guys give Alex some credit, he was thinking really scientifically on this one... I thought it was a known fact that North and South America caused that earthquake. Along with the Cocos and Nazca Plates. You at the Jref need to catch up. lolz
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22nd February 2010, 01:56 PM	#32
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 24,129	I think we should start maintaining a list of all the things HAARP can supposedly do.
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22nd February 2010, 02:03 PM	#33
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,494	Originally Posted by Travis I think we should start maintaining a list of all the things HAARP can supposedly do. We can keep it next to the list of things that are not a skyscraper yet can be used (according to the Froot Loop brigade) to model one.

22nd February 2010, 02:28 PM	#34
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	Originally Posted by cantonear1968 OMG! I thought you were totally kidding! I started laughing when I read that! These guys are completely nuts! The thing that is even sadder, are the little douchebags who follow Jones, spue his crap as gospel, and try to convince others of the same. You would think that most sensible human beings would listen to him say stuff like the above, realize he is a *********** lunitard, and refuse to believe anything he says on any subject period. TAM
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22nd February 2010, 02:39 PM	#35
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 26,120	Originally Posted by OneShotKi11 Common guys give Alex some credit, he was thinking really scientifically on this one... I thought it was a known fact that North and South America caused that earthquake. Along with the Cocos and Nazca Plates. You at the Jref need to catch up. lolz Steven Earl Jones a physicist who was fired for making up lies about 911; he went insane. Alex Jones took too many steroids and became a dirt dumb nut case, Steve went nuts 4 years after 911 from drinking thermate in his coffee. A thermate latte, please, with some nano-sugar
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22nd February 2010, 02:58 PM	#36
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 12,282	Originally Posted by leftysergeant The reason our companies wanted the oil fields in Iraq is specificly that the oil is easier to extract and transport. Thus, even the oil-theft theory founders on the reef of cost v. profit. This is actually an important point: The reasons the Middle East is known for petroleum production are It's easy to extract It's a very light, "sweet" crude that ends up producing quite a bit of the "money" distillates (gasoline, kerosene, diesel) than "heavier", more "sour" crudes. Number 2 is irrelevant to this discussion, so 1. "It's easy to extract": It costs money to drill. It costs lots of money to drill deep. And it certainly costs lots of money to drill deep over water. Compare: Quote: According to Arizona Geological Survey, Oil drilling in Arizona costs between $400,000 to $1,000,000, depending on the depth of the hole and its location. (Source: http://www.oil-price.net/en/articles...e-business.php) Quote: Experts believe the deposit, in the Tupi field 180 miles off the southeastern Brazilian coast, holds up to 8 billion barrels of light oil and natural gas... ... Yet the find will challenge Petrobras' reputation as one of the world's best at exploiting deep-sea oil deposits. ... Drilling the first well alone cost $240 million, and tapping the Tupi deposit will require investing at least $5 billion at the outset, Llewelyn said. Petrobras controls a 65 percent stake in the deposit, with British company BG Group and Portugal's Gal Energia controlling the rest. (Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2007/12/0...l-find-in.html) The comparison should only be taken so far; if you read the second link, you'll see that part of the problem is that they have harder "rock salt" to drill through. But the point remains: Over-water drilling is expensive. Now, stop and consider the news of the potential oil in Haiti. Yes, I realize that the epicenter of this quake was on land, and that the fault does indeed run across land. But recall the geologist's speculation: Quote: The Dominican Republic shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. It may have 3 million barrels of oil in a shallow offshore formation that’s probably also shared by Haiti, Pierce said. It's closer, but is it really worth the effort and outlay? Would the distance Middle East crude be shipped really make it that much more expensive than drilling over water? That's the question, and in general, it's demonstrated to be cheaper to rely on M.E. oil than to drill in difficult areas. Does this disprove the woo-tasms about the US supposedly occupying Haiti for oil? No. But it does provide context with which to judge the claim.
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22nd February 2010, 04:54 PM	#37
Bosozoku Thinker Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 156	Psh! You guys clearly don't know about the US's crazy plan to randomly attack the world's poorest and most resource-starved countries in the world. Clearly we did this to send a message to our 2nd biggest enemy (besides Haiti), the Solomon Islands.
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22nd February 2010, 05:10 PM	#38
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,405	Originally Posted by Bosozoku Psh! You guys clearly don't know about the US's crazy plan to randomly attack the world's poorest and most resource-starved countries in the world. Clearly we did this to send a message to our 2nd biggest enemy (besides Haiti), the Solomon Islands. Guess the Solomon islanders have forgotten how we kicked Japan's butt there (Guadalcanal,New Britain, Bougainville) during World War 2, and need a reminder.

22nd February 2010, 05:21 PM	#39
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 24,129	There is that meandering thread in the regular Conspiracy section where it is alleged the US invaded Haiti to threaten Chavez in Venezuela. It's only slightly less crazy than this idea.
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22nd February 2010, 06:23 PM	#40
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,778	HAARP: The Conspiracy Theorists' Swiss Army Knife
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