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Old 7th March 2010, 01:49 PM   #1
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Sylvia Browne's Niqui McCown reading (New media report)

Sylvia Browne gets mentioned regarding a missing persons case in the paper today:

Anger tempers hope
Death of 'person of interest' leaves Niqui McCown's loved ones wondering if they'll ever learn what happened
By Robert Sullivan
March 7, 2010

When former Ohio corrections officer and security guard Tommy Swint committed what was ruled suicide in early February, a Richmond family was filled with anger.

To them, Swint's death diminished the chances that they would ever be able to answer a question that has haunted them for more than eight years: What happened to Niqui?

On July 22, 2001, Marilyn "Niqui" McCown left her mother's house on Richmond's south side to finish laundry at a coin-operated facility at 1000 S. E St.

She called a co-worker before leaving to say she would be coming to Dayton, Ohio, later to get hair-care products. Then she walked out the door.

She was never seen nor heard from again.
Niqui and Swint met while working together at the Montgomery Education and Pre-Release Center in Dayton. They were both hired in 1994. Niqui worked in the business office, and Swint was a corrections officer.
The two struck up a friendship that McCown-Luster said she advised Niqui on several occasions to avoid because of what McCown-Luster calls Swint's aggressive nature. She said Swint took Niqui out to eat and often bought things for her. Niqui was an engaged single mother at the time.
The investigation of Swint's involvement in Niqui's disappearance remains open, leaving Richmond and Dayton police detectives tight-lipped about what information they have uncovered that would have led them to characterize Swint as a "person of interest."
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Here's part of the timeline:
•July 22, 2001 — Marilyn Renee "Niqui'' McCown was last seen at a coin-operated laundry in the 1000 block of South E Street.

•July 23, 2001 — McCown is reported missing.

•July 31, 2001 — Thirty friends and family search for the Richmond woman.

•Aug. 1, 2001 — Seventy-five people march to the Richmond Municipal Building and pray for McCown.

•Nov. 3, 2001 — McCown's vehicle, a 1990 GMC Jimmy, is found parked at a Dayton, Ohio, apartment complex.

•Aug. 23, 2002 — McCown's case is featured on the television program, Unsolved Mysteries.

Nov. 5, 2002 — Psychic Sylvia Browne tells the audience of "The Montel Williams Show" that Niqui is dead and her body can be found in a trench near the laundromat.
•November 2007 — Dayton police begin investigating Swint for the 1991 murder of prostitute Tina Marie Ivery after receiving a tip from a confidential informant.

•July 2009 — Miami Valley Regional Crime Lab uses DNA to confirm presence of Swint’s blood on blanket in which Ivery’s body was wrapped.
•Nov. 16, 2009 — Alabama judge signs affidavit for search warrant allowing investigators to collect fingerprints from Swint.

•Nov. 17, 2009 — Swint is picked up by Russell County Sheriff’s Office deputies in Alabama and taken in for fingerprinting. He is later interviewed by Dayton detectives about Ivery’s murder.

•Feb. 3, 2010 — A Montgomery County, Ohio, grand jury indicts Swint for the murder of Ivery. Less than an hour later, Swint apparently takes his own life as Russell County deputies approach his home to serve an arrest warrant for Ivery’s murder.
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A portion of the dialog with Browne about this case:

DATE: November 5, 2002 Tuesday
SHOW: The Montel Williams Show (5:00 PM ET) - SYND
SHOW: Vanished! With Sylvia Browne; guests discuss loved ones who have vanished and ask Sylvia for help
LENGTH: 7568 words
(Excerpts from videotape)

MICHELLE (Sister Vanished 3 Weeks Before Her Wedding): My sister Niqui disappeared in Indiana last July. She would have been 29 this year. She was planning her dream wedding. Her wedding day was just three weeks after she disappeared. We picked her dresses up just a few days after she vanished. I still have them sitting in my closet. I would have been her bridesmaid.

TERRILYN (Sister Vanishes 3 Weeks Before Her Wedding): Our sister was a routine person. Every Sunday, she went to church and then to the local Laundromat. That day, she drove to my mother's house while waiting for her laundry to finish. My mother said she was acting odd, like someone at the Laundromat was bothering her. She told her to get her laundry and finish it at her house. Niqui left, but never returned.

Four months later, Niqui's car was located in Ohio. The laundry was still neatly folded in the back seat. The police have questioned her fiance, Robert, but we don't believe he did it.

ROBERT: Since there isn't any clues or anything that are visible, they have to name somebody to--to show progress and all it's pretty much done is just drag my name through the mud.

MICHELLE: I write in my journal every night to talk to Niqui. I look in the mirror and I see her. It breaks my heart when my sister's daughter says, 'I have no mommy.'

(End of excerpts)

WILLIAMS: Please welcome Niqui's sisters, Terrilyn and Michelle to the show. Welcome them.

You know, Terrilyn, your--your sister would not leave on purpose. As a matter of fact, the day that this happened, this was routine. She would go and do her laundry, come back. But she didn't come home and I--and I hardly ever say things like this on the show, 'cause I--it--it doesn't matter to me about a person's ethnicity when a problem happens, but your sister came home and said something particularly poignant to your mother that there were some people of Mexican descent...

TERRILYN: Yes, sir.

WILLIAMS: ...that kept messing with her. Those were her words, correct?

TERRILYN: Exactly what she said.

WILLIAMS: Said 'These Mexicans will not leave me alone.'


Ms. BROWNE: Right.

WILLIAMS: So she must have run into some people at the--at the Laundromat...

TERRILYN: At the Laundromat.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: And then she went back to get her clothing.

Ms. BROWNE: There's three of them.

TERRILYN: Were they Mexican descendants?

Ms. BROWNE: Three of them. Hispanic. Yes. And...

WILLIAMS: Did she know them or did they have anything to do with pe--'cause right now, you know, the authorities are looking at some co-workers. Your sister--wait, let's get this straight. Your sister was a corrections officer, was she not?

TERRILYN: Yes, she was. Yes, she was. She's...

WILLIAMS: This woman was trained in martial arts.

Ms. BROWNE: Right.

WILLIAMS: Trained in weaponry.

TERRILYN: In every area.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, but--but you see, but you get three--you get three husky guys, you know, and the fact of it is they kept coming on to her and she kept negating them, do you see what I mean?

TERRILYN: She speaks fluent Spanish.

Ms. BROWNE: And I will say this about her, not only was she a c--let's say a corrections officer, but she was also very self-assured. You know what I mean?


Ms. BROWNE: Even if she hadn't have done this, she would have said--you know, she's the kind of person to say, 'Mess with me and I'll take you out.' You know what I mean? That kind of thing.

TERRILYN: That's--that's my Niqui.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. But the person--the main person that took her was a person by the name of (censored).

TERRILYN: Is he local? Is he a local man or is he on the run right now? I mean, we didn't stop at anything. We've--we've placed flyers everywhere.

Ms. BROWNE: I don't think he's on the run because I don't think he thinks that anybody's nailed him.

TERRILYN: Oh, really?

Ms. BROWNE: Do you see what I mean?

WILLIAMS: So he may still be in that area?

Ms. BROWNE: But I'll tell you something. There is another woman who is of--Caucasian who they were bothering also.

TERRILYN: Oh, really?

Ms. BROWNE: So I would try to get to the Laundromat, do you see what I'm mean? Because this guy is involved in all kinds of prostitution. Do you see what I mean?

TERRILYN: Yes. Yes, I had a feeling on this.

Ms. BROWNE: And--yeah. And let's face it. She was a very attractive female and it was sort of like, 'I want to get you in my stable.' Do you see what I mean?

TERRILYN: Is she alive, Sylvia?


TERRILYN: Do you know we might find her?

Ms. BROWNE: Well, see, here we go again. This is in a wooded area not that far, but it reminds me of the--Chandra Levy, in a trench area. Do you know what I mean?


Ms. BROWNE: And there's about four big huge stately trees with a trench beneath it. Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Very close to the Laundromat?

Ms. BROWNE: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Far from the Laundromat? A mile, two miles?

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. No, no, it's fairly close. Yeah. So I don't care where they found the car, do you see what I mean? They might have taken the car anywhere, Ohio or Podunk, whatever. But--no.

WILLIAMS: The police and the authorities have been looking as primary suspects at some people who worked with her. Is that correct?


TERRILYN: Yes, that's correct.

WILLIAMS: Now do you think they had anything to do with that at all? Or this is just something that happened?

Ms. BROWNE: No. No. I think that they--the only thing about that is you might be able to find that name because I think she knew the name of one of these...

TERRILYN: Oh, really?

Ms. BROWNE: ...abductors. Do you see what I'm saying? But here we go again. We get a lot--'cause I get a lot of police cases that I work on besides this. And this is a case, too, where I've told other people. She would not have disappeared like this with not calling you or the--you know, you.


TERRILYN: Exactly. Exactly.

Ms. BROWNE: This is not the case of that. And honestly, the fiance had nothing, honestly, to do with this.

TERRILYN: Thank you so much.

Ms. BROWNE: No, he--no, he didn't.

TERRILYN: Thank you.

WILLIAMS: Yes, ma'am. You had a question for Sylvia. We're going to take some questions from the audience also. Yes, ma'am?

Unidentified Woman #1: My nephew was murdered two months or three months ago and it's unsolved. Can you give us the information we need to help solve his murder? He was 19.
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Was Browne correct? The family may never know.

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Old 7th March 2010, 04:43 PM   #2
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Why does Browne always say, "Do you see/know what I mean?". Is that a trick of cold reading, or just a speaking pattern of hers-i.e. saying "ya know?" at the end of a sentence?

Just curious.
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Old 7th March 2010, 05:18 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by desertgal View Post
Why does Browne always say, "Do you see/know what I mean?". Is that a trick of cold reading, or just a speaking pattern of hers-i.e. saying "ya know?" at the end of a sentence?

Just curious.
Car salesmen know one of the tricks to getting clients to buy a car is to ask them non-car-relevant questions to which they know the answer will be 'yes'. Saying 'yes' a lot to someone opens you up to trust.

Also, many people in a reading are trying to be polite, or don't feel comfortable saying 'no', but want to say 'yes'. If the person does not "know what she means", they may say nothing, or shake their head. But if they do know, they will be enthusiastic with their 'yes'. This not opens them up to trust, but sets up a form of confirmation bias, where they remember agreeing a lot, but do not remember disagreeing.
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Old 31st March 2010, 10:18 AM   #4
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A related article:

New information gives twist to cold case / 13 Investigates
By Sandra Chapman
Posted: Jul 17, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT

Next week marks the 7th anniversary since an Indiana mother vanished just weeks before her wedding.

Police presume the worst. Now 13 Investigates uncovers a secret between sisters that's led to a major turn in the case.

Payton Johnston is dreaming one day her mother will come home. She was nine years old when Marilyn "Niqui" McCown vanished seven years ago.

"I knew she wouldn't leave me," the 16-year old said with sad eyes as she talked about growing up without her mother's guidance.

Weather worn pictures of the striking 28-year-old mother sit faded outside the family's Richmond home. The heartache inside is fresh with another anniversary at the door.

"I just want her home. And if they've taken her and did something with her they ain't got to confess, just tell me where they laid her," said Niqiu's mother, Barbara "Dolly" McCown. "Just tell me where she's at," she begged as tears flowed down her cheeks.

Barbara McCown last saw her daughter July 22, 2001. It was a sweltering day, three weeks before Niqui's wedding.
Initially Niqui's family thought she was abducted from the laundromat where some men had been harassing her.

Richmond Police eliminated that theory based on surveillance tape from a nearby convenience store.

"When she's leaving the facility there I can tell she's under no duress whatsoever," said Detective Roger Redmond, of the Richmond Police Department. "I can probably give you a 100-percent surety she was not taken from the laundromat," he told 13 Investigates.
Niqui once lived in the Meadows of Catalpa too. Her laundry was discovered still neatly folded and undisturbed in the backseat of the truck when it was found.
Niqui's sister Michelle McCown Luster, now publicly reveals a guarded secret. She says it explains why Niqui frantically tried to get a hold of her the day she vanished.
The sisterly secret is about a triangle Niqui's mother and fiancÚ knew nothing about.

"She would always tell me I don't care what he wants, he's just like a big brother to me," explained McCown Luster referring to former Trotwood, Ohio Police Officer Tommie Swint. Swint and Niqui had worked together at a Dayton prison, the Montgomery Education and Pre-Release Center.
The big question: Was there a romantic relationship at any point between Tommie Swint and Niqui McCown?

Niqui's sister, bowed her head and then responded, "Okay how do I explain this? Maybe a few times it went more than just friends," said McCown Luster.
Swint refused to speak with 13 Investigates about the case or his pending lawsuits against both the Richmond and Trotwood Police Departments.

So far, there have been no arrests.

"In a case like this when you go to court, you have to have proof. And when I go to court on this case I'll have the proof I need," said Detective Redmond, who believes the investigation is on the right track.
Full: / 13 Investigates
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Old 3rd April 2010, 07:47 AM   #5
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Reunion honors woman missing for 6 years
Family still seeking answers in case of Marilyn Renee 'Niqui' McCown, a Sinclair student last seen in Richmond, Ind.
By Thomas Gnau
Dayton Daily News
Monday, July 23, 2007

Finding the Marilyn Renee "Niqui" McCown family reunion Sunday wasn't hard.

Visitors simply followed the homemade signs, complete with McCown's photos, to a shelter at Middlefork Reservoir off U.S. 27.

The shelter itself boasted the biggest sign. "For the love of Niqui," it proclaimed. "Missing July 22, 2001."

On that sign was another photo, this one of McCown smiling.

Payton Johnston was only 9 when her mother disappeared.

"I'm fine," the now-15-year-old said. "It's just another day to me. I mean, it's another day she's not here, but she is here, you know?"

In some ways, it was another Sunday, McCown's sister, Tamie Hughes agreed.

"She (McCown) would have been at my house or my mother's house after church," Hughes mused.

"We would have discussed her wedding arrangements."
Full: Dayton Daily News

Woman's friend apparently kills himself after indictment in '91 ...
By Robert Sullivan
Mar 7, 2010

Long considered a "person of interest" in the disappearance of a Richmond woman, Tommy Swint died as authorities prepared to arrest him in an unrelated murder case.

Swint apparently took his own life Feb. 3 as Russell County sheriff's deputies in Phenix City, Ala., were approaching his home to serve an arrest warrant for the 1991 murder of Dayton, Ohio, resident Tina Marie Ivery.
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Swint took the weak way out
Feb 4, 2010

Sinclair student Niqui McCown has been missing for nearly nine years. Since she disappeared, her family has worked tirelessly to bring her home, but the McCown family's search took a dramatic turn February 3, 2010. Tommy Swint, the name that had haunted McCown's sister, Michelle Luster, made its way back into Dayton headlines after two years of silence.

A grand jury indicted the former Trotwood police officer for the death of Tina Marie Ivery. Ivery's nude, strangled body was found on a pile of trash by a crew of tree trimmers on Dayton-Liberty Road in Jefferson Township in December of 2001. The jury found that there is enough evidence to try Swint for the homicide. The indictment, however, didn't bring closure for Ivery's family.

Police said Swint had been living in Phenix City, Alabama. When officers closed in on his house Wednesday afternoon to make the arrest, they heard a gunshot, and found Swint dead in his home.
Swint made the news in 2007, when police in Richmond, Indiana, named him as a suspect in McCown's disappearance. The announcement came six years after McCown went missing from a laundromat near her mother's home in Richmond. Swint worked with McCown at a prison, the Montgomery Education and Pre-Release Center.
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