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How I Debated a 9/11 Truther and Survived - Dave Thomas

Dave Thomas, a CSI fellow, is a physics and mathematics graduate of New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology and is currently a senior scientist at Quasar International, Inc., in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He is the president of New Mexicans for Science and Reason.

Oh! Okay... Good. For a bit there, I was wondering if the link was referring to this Dave Thomas:
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Given that he passed away in 2002, that would've been a shock :boggled:. And I would've been wondering what the heck was up with the Skeptical Inquiry folks. Communing with the dead isn't quite their style. ;):D
 
Interesting article, good for him. This portion in particular caught my eye:

"Gage wants to debate me again, on Denver public television station KBDI. While I normally prefer not to provide platforms for conspiracy theorists to push their cases, in this instance KBDI has already been running Gage’s 9/11 “Truth” documentaries during fundraising specials."

And I thought I had it bad where my local PBS station plays endless Doo-wop reunion specials, André Rieu concerts and Wayne Dyer lectures during their pledge drives:boggled:
 
This is what I get for not paying attention to Alumni mail. I didn't even go down during 49'ers this year.

Incidentally, I have seen the Vigilantes play at the Cap one 49'ers. They're pretty good.

I'm also extremely disappointed that there were that many truthers there to begin with.
 
This is what I get for not paying attention to Alumni mail. I didn't even go down during 49'ers this year.

Incidentally, I have seen the Vigilantes play at the Cap one 49'ers. They're pretty good.

I'm also extremely disappointed that there were that many truthers there to begin with.
You went to soko-roo?
I was down the road in lost crutches...
If anybody ought to know about explosions and explosives, the "Energetic materials" folks there are it!
 
You went to soko-roo?
I was down the road in lost crutches...
If anybody ought to know about explosions and explosives, the "Energetic materials" folks there are it!

Indeed. We would hear a couple of rather large bangs once or twice a day on campus.
 
How I Debated a 9/11 Truther and Survived:
http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/how_i_debated_a_9_11_truther_and_survived/

Interesting article.

Gage argued that there are ten reasons WTC 7, which was not hit by an airplane, was intentionally demolished:

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5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds

[...]

7. Chemical signature of Thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples by physics professor Steven Jones, PhD

Thermite causes "pyroclastic clouds" now?

Gage is all over the place.
 
Dave Thomas said:
I discussed the claims that thermite was used and showed a test filmed at Tech in which a large quantity of thermite failed to cut a large steel beam.

Jeebus, you know what he's talking about? He's talking about the clip of Van Romero that Jesse Ventura used on his Conspiracy Theory program. Except Ventura conveniently skipped over the part about how the thermite failed to cut the steel beam. Here's the clip (part with Van Romero starts about forty seconds in):


Ventura lets him ask the question, "Does it burn long enough and hot enough so that we have structural failure?" But hilariously, rather than answer the question, they then cut to Jesse asking, "Alright, anybody still got any doubts?"

Newton's Bit, do you have any kind of relationship with Romero, where you can ask him about the Ventura show? I sent him an email when the show aired but he never replied.
 
Jeebus, you know what he's talking about? He's talking about the clip of Van Romero that Jesse Ventura used on his Conspiracy Theory program. Except Ventura conveniently skipped over the part about how the thermite failed to cut the steel beam. Here's the clip (part with Van Romero starts about forty seconds in):


Ventura lets him ask the question, "Does it burn long enough and hot enough so that we have structural failure?" But hilariously, rather than answer the question, they then cut to Jesse asking, "Alright, anybody still got any doubts?"

Newton's Bit, do you have any kind of relationship with Romero, where you can ask him about the Ventura show? I sent him an email when the show aired but he never replied.

I also suspect that he was asked to show something different compared to what they made out he was showing. The first part of the experiment was really stupid, essentially amounting to throwing a match on the steel and observing it not collapsing. Surely this could not be what Romero was intending to demonstrate, or else he is a freaking idiot, which doesn't make sense. So I'd love to know the full story here as well.
 
Jeebus, you know what he's talking about? He's talking about the clip of Van Romero that Jesse Ventura used on his Conspiracy Theory program.

I believe that Dave Thomas and Van Romero are friends. I listen to Dave on the "Science Watch" podcast (of their radio show), and I think he mentioned this recently.
 
Does anyone else notice that the steel beam they are heating with the super-thermite is horizontal instead of vertical?

At least make the experiment look legitimate, instead of watching some chemicals burn on a horizontal beam and say "so any doubts?"
 
Does anyone else notice that the steel beam they are heating with the super-thermite is horizontal instead of vertical?

At least make the experiment look legitimate, instead of watching some chemicals burn on a horizontal beam and say "so any doubts?"


Don't confuse a daytime soap opera for a real sociological exposition of human interpersonal relations.

Don't confuse a Jerry Springer show for a real investigation of American family dynamics.

Don't confuse a Bill O'Reilly or Geraldo Rivera interview for a reporter giving his guest a real opportunity to present his/her ideas.

In each case, the key word is "real".

Don't confuse Ventura's show for, well, as far as I can tell, anything real.

The arguments are fake.
The disagreements are fake.
The skepticism is fake.
The investigation is fake.

They should call it "The WWF does 60 Minutes".

They whole thing is fixed.
 
Just put it this way... when they did their fire test on the steel, I kept saying to myself: "and truther's complain about national geographic's experiment? :rolleyes: "

ETA: Oh by any chance does somebody have the barfing smiles image?
 
Just put it this way... when they did their fire test on the steel, I kept saying to myself: "and truther's complain about national geographic's experiment? :rolleyes: "

Thats what I thought as well, of course you won't find them doing anything but praising Ventura though. How honest of them!
 
Ventura lets him ask the question, "Does it burn long enough and hot enough so that we have structural failure?" But hilariously, rather than answer the question, they then cut to Jesse asking, "Alright, anybody still got any doubts?"

As retarded as the show is, I think this was just Romero misspeaking. He probably wanted to say it does burn long and hot enough to cause a structural failure, at least the intonation is right for that.

Of course with twoofers you never know. It's entirely possible he phrased it as a question, but spoke it as a statement to make it seem as if he claimed it was going to fail, but not state it, as not to be liable for lying.

McHrozni
 
Just put it this way... when they did their fire test on the steel, I kept saying to myself: "and truther's complain about national geographic's experiment? :rolleyes: "

ETA: Oh by any chance does somebody have the barfing smiles image?

Yep, it's ridiculous, and this is totally appropriate:

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Yep, it's ridiculous, and this is totally appropriate:

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Most of those smileys are falling "in their own footprint". But a couple of them look like they're being thrown huge distances to the side. Almost as if they were "nano-thermited"...!
 
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