Keith Olbermann Another Propagator of Obamacare Jail Time Penalty

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"I am one of the self-insured, albeit by choice. And I hereby pledge that I will not buy this perversion of health-care reform. Pass this at your peril, senators. And sign it at yours, Mr. President. I will not buy this insurance. Brand me a law-breaker if you choose. Fine me if you will. Jail me if you must."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zReFgfodNb0
 
Apparently Senator Tom Coburn was not aware of the fact that MSNBC's chief manure spreader also touted jail time for non-compliance. Where was Media Matters, HuffPo, Daily Kos etc when K.O. was hyperventilating over "jail time" for non-compliance?
 
Cicero said:
Apparently Senator Tom Coburn was not aware of the fact that MSNBC's chief manure spreader also touted jail time for non-compliance. Where was Media Matters, HuffPo, Daily Kos etc when K.O. was hyperventilating over "jail time" for non-compliance?
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Sorry, I didn't hear him saying that the bill included "jail time for non-compliance".

He was saying he didn't care what the penalty was, he wasn't gonna do it. He could have said "boil me in oil", that doesn't mean he thinks the bill requires people to be boiled in oil.
 
Spindrift said:
Sorry, I didn't hear him saying that the bill included "jail time for non-compliance".

He was saying he didn't care what the penalty was, he wasn't gonna do it. He could have said "boil me in oil", that doesn't mean he thinks the bill requires people to be boiled in oil.
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Please. K.O. didn't say "boil me in oil," he said fine me or jail me. The two possible forms of punishment for non-compliance before the final health care bill was signed into law. If he was being merely hyperbolic, he would have said "boil me in oil." To say that K.O. thinks at all would be taking a lot for granted.
 
Cicero said:
Please. K.O. didn't say "boil me in oil," he said fine me or jail me. The two possible forms of punishment for non-compliance before the final health care bill was signed into law. If he was being merely hyperbolic, he would have said "boil me in oil." To say that K.O. thinks at all would be taking a lot for granted.
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Well if he didn't think the bill included jail time then including jail time in his statement would be hyperbole.

He also did not say "the two possible forms of punishment for non-compliance are fine me or jail me."

His rant certainly didn't have anything to do with what the penalties are anyway. It was that he did not agree with the requirement to have insurance without the public option, single payer, medicare buy-in, etc. Twisting what he said to say it's a rant about jail time is either a willful misinterpretation or a lack of comprehension.
 
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I suppose if K.O. had said, "so shoot me" instead, small minded people would say that means non compliance with the health care plan is subject to capital punishment.
 
Buy Insurance or Go to Jail?
September 25, 2009

"In a handwritten letter, Barthold told Ensign that under an existing provision of the Internal Revenue Code, willful failure to pay a fine can result in being charged with a misdemeanor which could carry a penalty of up to $25,000, or up to a year in jail, or both. The handwritten letter was a follow-up to an answer that Barthold gave Ensign during Thursday's mark-up of the Baucus bill."

"It was scanned by Ensign's Senate office and provided to ABC News. The accuracy of its contents was confirmed by the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/09/buy-insurance-or-go-to-jail-.html

K.O. actually dared POTUS Obama to fine him or throw him in jail back in December 16, 2009. ABC News just reported the possible penalties for non-compliance.
 
Cicero said:
Buy Insurance or Go to Jail?
September 25, 2009

"In a handwritten letter, Barthold told Ensign that under an existing provision of the Internal Revenue Code, willful failure to pay a fine can result in being charged with a misdemeanor which could carry a penalty of up to $25,000, or up to a year in jail, or both. The handwritten letter was a follow-up to an answer that Barthold gave Ensign during Thursday's mark-up of the Baucus bill."

"It was scanned by Ensign's Senate office and provided to ABC News. The accuracy of its contents was confirmed by the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/09/buy-insurance-or-go-to-jail-.html

K.O. actually dared POTUS Obama to fine him or throw him in jail back in December 16, 2009. ABC News just reported the possible penalties for non-compliance.
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So what? Olbermann still didn't do a rant about jail penalties no matter how you try to misconstrue it.

Oh, and the jail time you refer to is for not paying a fine, it is not for not buying health insurance.
 
Cicero said:
What is your point?
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You first.

Bill O'Reilly didn't really lie to Tom Coburn about what Fox people had said on the air because Evil Keith Olbermann had kind of said the same thing and anyway.... ah... something... Huffpost... Raychill [sic] Maddow.... I forget.

Something like that?
 
Spindrift said:
Why? When did Olbermann discuss the penalties?
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Discuss them? Olbermann accepted them as gospel. He dared POTUS Obama to fine him or jail him for being a "law breaker." Where do you think K.O. got the idea that these were the penalties?

Hint:

"In a handwritten letter, Barthold told Ensign that under an existing provision of the Internal Revenue Code, willful failure to pay a fine can result in being charged with a misdemeanor which could carry a penalty of up to $25,000, or up to a year in jail, or both. The handwritten letter was a follow-up to an answer that Barthold gave Ensign during Thursday's mark-up of the Baucus bill." September, 2009
 
Darth Rotor said:
Is there a reason skeptics pay so much attention to well payed blowhards?
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Yes, if said blowhard says something that is stupid/a lie, or can be perceived as stupid/a lie they can rush to forums and proclaim "GOTCHA!" in some way.

Gotta get them int3rwebz p0in+s.
 
Upchurch said:
Yeah, because other people pay so much attention to well played blowhards and a lie, told often enough, tends to become truth.
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Except it was the truth, as the "truth" was what was in the bill that was on the table back then. It's not the "truth" in the most recent bill that was passed. Context is everything.

Of course, saying that it did include penalties, then saying you never said that is still totally dishonest.
 
NotJesus said:
That clip is four months old.
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Exactly. Olbermann was talking last December about an earlier version on the bill that didn't go far enough in his opinion. The link OP is also a cherry-picked excerpt of Olbermann's rant. The whole segment ran for 12 minutes. Part one is here.
 
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Walter Ego said:
Exactly. Olbermann was talking last December about an earlier version on the bill that didn't go far enough in his opinion. The link OP is also a cherry-picked excerpt of Olbermann's rant. The whole segment ran for 12 minutes. Part one is here.
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Who could endure the entire 12 minutes of K.O.'s bilge? The only part that is relevant to the thread is his daring POTUS Obama to fine him or jail him. At the time K.O. spouted his bilge, these two possibilities were considered to be included in the health care bill.
 
Cicero, I get the distinct impression you might not like Keith Olbermann all that much. I can't quite put my finger on why.
 
Cleon said:
Cicero, I get the distinct impression you might not like Keith Olbermann all that much. I can't quite put my finger on why.
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I have a lot of company. Just this week, K.O.'s fellow MSNBC on-air folks either compared him to Rush Limberger/Glenn Beck for extreme obnoxiousness and hate mongering or compared him to Limberger/O'Reilly/Beck/Shultz for obnoxiousness and hate mongering. Some are aware of the consequences for ruffling K.O's feathers, while others find out only after they get their pink slip.

"Donny Deutsch Gets Himself Fired From MSNBC After Pissing Off Keith Olbermann"

"MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough & Co. Hysterically Avoid Insulting Keith Olbermann"

This clip is priceless.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-j...ically-avoid-insulting-keith-olbermann-again/
 
Cicero said:
Discuss them? Olbermann accepted them as gospel. He dared POTUS Obama to fine him or jail him for being a "law breaker." Where do you think K.O. got the idea that these were the penalties?

Hint:

"In a handwritten letter, Barthold told Ensign that under an existing provision of the Internal Revenue Code, willful failure to pay a fine can result in being charged with a misdemeanor which could carry a penalty of up to $25,000, or up to a year in jail, or both. The handwritten letter was a follow-up to an answer that Barthold gave Ensign during Thursday's mark-up of the Baucus bill." September, 2009
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I have no idea that Olbermann at any time said those were the penalties. Your quote from him is inconclusive at best.

Hint: Where do you find that Olberman read that blog or knew about that letter?
 
Here is the whole special comment from Keith. It sure doesn't read like he's worried about going to jail to me. Just good ol' fashioned hyperbole from Keith. He even points out the penalty and doesn't reference jail time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34455168/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann
The bill now is little more than a legally mandated delivery of the middle class (and those whose dreams of joining it slip ever further away) into a kind of Chicago stockyards of insurance. Make enough money to take care of yourself and your family and you must buy insurance — on the insurers terms — or face a fine.
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willhaven said:
Here is the whole special comment from Keith. It sure doesn't read like he's worried about going to jail to me. Just good ol' fashioned hyperbole from Keith. He even points out the penalty and doesn't reference jail time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34455168/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann
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The only thing K.O. is worried about is who is making fun of him on his own cable network, O'Reilly's ratings and Obamacare without public option, single payer, Medicare buy-in, etc.

How could "jail me if you must" be hyperbole when that was a possible penalty at the time of K.O.'s excruciatingly jejune "special comment" segment?
 
Ducky said:
Wait, people posting in politics here get paid? and well at that?

I am totally bummed out I missed that job opportunity.
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Only the blowhards get paid and that's on a sliding scale depending on how hard they blow (or, depending on your perspective, suck).

Cissy (and I use that appellation affectionately) who started this latest fail has earned enough this year alone to vacation for a month in Tahiti. :D
 
Cleon said:
Cicero, I get the distinct impression you might not like Keith Olbermann all that much. I can't quite put my finger on why.
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Possibly because he can't stand somebody smarter than Beck, Limburger and the rest of that dreary dead-brained crew of liars. But that's just my H>O>.:D



Oh, wait, that means he can't stand Democrats!:jaw-dropp

Or various forms of small animal life!!!:jaw-dropp
 
Newtons Bit said:
Yes, it was in the House bill. Go read it. The Senate bill (the one that was passed) has a section that specifically forbids criminal punishment for not paying the extra tax.
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Keith was talking about HR 3590 specifically. Not the house bill.
 
Cicero said:
The only thing K.O. is worried about is who is making fun of him on his own cable network, O'Reilly's ratings and Obamacare without public option, single payer, Medicare buy-in, etc.

How could "jail me if you must" be hyperbole when that was a possible penalty at the time of K.O.'s excruciatingly jejune "special comment" segment?
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You do know it's very likely that if you talked to K.O. today his oppinion of the bill would be totally different right (considering, in the video clip his objections were in reference to an earlier version of the bill)? I guess that's of little significance huh? :rolleyes:

The Central Scrutinizer said:
I see Cicero started this thread. I haven't even bothered to read it, and yet I know the appropriate response is:

:dl:
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Indeed. :D
 
Cicero said:
How could "jail me if you must" be hyperbole when that was a possible penalty at the time of K.O.'s excruciatingly jejune "special comment" segment?
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It could be hyperbole because no where does Olbermann say anything directly about what he believes the penalty to be. And his "special comment" was not about penalties in any way, shape or form.
 
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