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15 year old ghost mystery possibly solved

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There's an interesting article here about a man who spotted the, supposed, Wem ghost in a postcard from 1922.

They look very similar to me.
 
The folds in her dress around her waist look identical to me. Interesting.
 
As ridiculous as i think ghosts are, they dont really look that much alike, IMHO, to make a compelling debunking case.
 
Well, the mystery, was how the photo was manipulated in the first place, not whether it was really a ghost ..
I think that has been solved ..
Don't know why you don't think the girls are a match .. Looks like they are twins to me..
 
I have to say they don't look very alike to me.
Which is not to say the spook's not faked.
And they'd have got away with it, if not for them pesky kids.
 
Soapy Sam said:
I have to say they don't look very alike to me.
Which is not to say the spook's not faked.
And they'd have got away with it, if not for them pesky kids.
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And their dog!

The girls in the photographs look identical to me ... the tilt of the heads, the expression on the faces, and angle of the necktie are the same. It might take some NASA-level comparison studies to increase the confidence level, but there are too many similarities to dismiss the claim completely.
 
"Ghost" pic has rail or fence of some sort in front of the girl, street scene doesn't. The face in the "ghost" pic is much more clear, also and seems to be turned up towards the camera more. Some of the folds in the hat seem different to me as well.
 
There are strong similarities, but also some significant differences. In particular, the postcard photo blown up to a similar scale as the ghost picture is indistinct. Perhaps other pictures of this girl exist taken on the same day as the street scene with improved definition.
 
Hannibal said:
Can't say I can see the "AHA!" in the picture - in fact they look very different to me.

I find this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...nch-twins-unrecognisable-plastic-surgery.html

even more mysterious....and scarier too
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Holy crapcakes! It looks like the Joker and a villain from that Dick Tracey movie.

As long as we're derailing, I heard a good comedy bit about ghosts from Paul Mooney (all time great).

Please note I'm paraphrasing:

"White people, you gotta stop making televisions shows about ghosts. There are no ghosts. You know how I know that? Because if there were, ghosts of slaves would be haunting your ass all the time."

Obviously better with his phrasing and cadence, but I enjoy a good joke attacking woo-woo.

Back on topic: I don't think they look alike either. In the least, removing the hat was an impressive bit of photo manipulation in 1985, much less 1922...
 
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I think it is more likely that the original photographer of the "ghost" picture dressed a young girl up in a similar outfit, and then photographed her. As has been mentioned previously, the face is clearer in the "ghost" picture than in the postcard, and turned at a different angle.
 
Explorer said:
There are strong similarities, but also some significant differences. In particular, the postcard photo blown up to a similar scale as the ghost picture is indistinct. Perhaps other pictures of this girl exist taken on the same day as the street scene with improved definition.
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Perhaps there are better copies of the post card in existence..
 
At first I thought they looked very similar, but zoomed in on Photoshop, you can see some pretty big differences. I also question the scale; even if there's a much higher quality copy of the postcard, how (and why) would an enlarged copy of that girl have been used in the forgery? If the trick was done with manipulation, a tiny character on a postcard is a poor choice of source image.

Edit: Also, nobody has considered that maybe the girl in the postcard is ALSO a ghost. This is clearly the most logical explanation.
 
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It certainly looks like a similar girl in a similar outfit, but on close, critical inspection and comparison of shapes, it's clear that the photos are not the same. In addition to the other differences noted above, the ruffled hat-brim creates different shapes on each of the girls' foreheads.

Meanwhile, why the exact photo used in the double-exposure needs to be found remains a mystery. The "ghost" image is obviously a double-exposure, whether we have the actual, separate image used to create the illusion, or not.
 
There's no question the images of the girl are identical, except for some contrast difference. The highlights, shadows, cap curls -- all identical.
 
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