Interesting. In this, your first post here, you bump a thread from more than four years ago, to assert that the quote is accurate, and yet, despite extensive quoting from the alleged source, you still haven't posted quotes that contain most of the lines as recited in the originally presented quote.
Very interesting.
Your point, as far as it goes, is a fair one Horatius. The other comments that have suddenly appeared are not.
Ironically, they simply serve to illustrate how those who seek, beit by Pavlovian reaction or by conscious design, to promote the ideology of Zionism (a secular political movement conceived and advanced for the most part by individuals who identifed as atheists), quite routinely run roughshod over anything even remotely recognizable as reason (even here on a site which is primarily concerned with the rigorous application of reason to debunk absurd claims) and routinely invoke a large repertoire of over used bigoted tactics, in order to to dismiss that which cannot be responded to with logic and therefore must be nipped in the bud by bullying.
Here we see this masquerade manifest by making ridiculous allegations of anti-semitism simply because I dared quote verbatim from published diaries written by the father of Political Zionism, and by ridiculing my name which I have had since my birth almost 55 hears ago. It seems to me that this alone already violates the rule of decorum which are meant to apply in this forum.
Returning to your quite reasonable point Horatius, yes, the excerpts fall slightly short of including enough material to fully validate the quote posted some years back which started this thread as a precise and exact quote. In that regard, I stand corrected. that does not mean that the quote misrepresents what Herzl did say, let alone that it is a fabrication.
It should be obvious to anyone with a passing understanding of the English language that the import and meaning attributed to Herzl by the original quote is not in anyway misleading and certainly fits well within the excerpts I have provided here which include, for the most part, each of the constituent elements which make up the original quote impugned by this thread. Though I cannot assert it as an irrefutable fact, I believe from past experience that such elements which are not yet accounted for can easily be found by looking at a complete version of Herzl's diaries.
The problem is that it is not by accident that this important publication comprising his diaries is not so easily accessed as one might expect bearing in mind its historic importance. Indeed, I challenge anyone to find a link to any reliable on-line publication of his complete diaries published more than 50 years ago which does not require that anyone wishing to read them either pass muster or pay a ridiculously high price for the privilege.
Ergo the the PDF I linked to which - though it apparently does not meet with the approval of some of those who are throwing around some rather colourful adjectives in this thread that on their face violate the rules of engagement we have all signed on to - is one of the few if not the only links in cyberspace which will bring you to at least substantial scanned extracts from Herzl's published diaries. That said, after drawing attention to the link here, I will not be surprised if very soon it meets its demise.
It is really quite astounding that some people here in this sceptics forum imagine they have Kreskin like powers and are able to divine the malicious intent of the person who published that PDF. I have no idea who the person is or what his or her motives were. In any case, it is entirely beside the point.
You seem to find it suspicious Horatius that my first comment in this forum should relate to a four year old post on this subject. Do I sense a bit of paranoia or is it just bigotry in action?
Let me answer the implied accusation this way: Why should my first comment not relate to an older thread or this subject matter? After all, it was by searching on the "quote" while once again doing my own fact checking on the subject, that I ended up in this forum. There are, after all, very few sources available when it comes to verifying Herzl quotes. Of course I have already said that.
let me finish by simply saying that if anyone feels they can debunk or otherwise constructively comment on these quotes attributed to Herzl, then please do so for I am sure many people would benefit from such an exercise. But to anyone who is considering a contribution to the thread, whatever their point of view, I remind you to bear in mind that this is not apolitical forum and to remember the rules of this forum which prohibit ad hominem, bigoted or racist remarks.
There is no room for the "straw man fallacy" in a sceptics forum. that much should be obvious. sigh.
