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Old 5th June 2010, 09:03 AM   #1
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WTC Seismic Signals Reveal Explosives Were Used at the WTC, according to geophysicist

This is the author's version of Hush-A-Boom and it seems to be essential to his conclusion.

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In brief, a subterranean explosion would not be heard in the air

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WTC Seismic Signals Reveal Explosives Were Used at the WTC, according to geophysicist André Rousseau

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/20...01-in-New-York
In brief, a subterranean explosion would not be heard in the air, but the ground would shake and initiate a series of waves (volume and surface waves), while if we hear an explosion, it is because it is either "aerial" and doesn't give a seismic signal, or it is subaerial and surface waves could be generated.

Therefore, we can affirm that explosions qualified as "subaerial" were set off close to the base of the Towers simultaneously with the crashes into each by the planes, the sound coming from which would be mixed with the sound of the crashes (Case 3). The Towers were thus weakened by the breaking of the load-bearing columns. The explosion at the base of WTC1 was heard and the witness Walter Rodriquez (2006) (see also Spingola (2005)).
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Old 5th June 2010, 09:05 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
This is the author's version of Hush-A-Boom and it seems to be essential to his conclusion.
Here we go again.
This was shown to be false several YEARS ago. Here. In this forum.
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Old 5th June 2010, 09:19 AM   #3
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ah so underground explosives at the base of the tower caused the WTC to collapse from the top down...

what a smart guy...I wish I could hang with him for just a day or two....****in moron.

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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
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Interesting that this webzine felt it needed to publish the author's CV and Publications list at the end...something smells fishy to me.

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Old 5th June 2010, 09:24 AM   #6
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
DID you see the MIT thread here recently. With a 30 second google search you can find a whole series of articles from REAL MIT ENGINEERS that support the official account of 9/11 events.

You can add all the idiots you like to your list. The fact that they believe 9/11 was an inside job without any evidence is enough to know they are *********** morons. His article proves nothing (and if you read it, you will see that).

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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
We already have.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...24#post5126724

Please feel free to read them at your leisure.
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Old 5th June 2010, 10:10 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
We already have.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...24#post5126724

Please feel free to read them at your leisure.
What expert? Spit it out.
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Old 5th June 2010, 10:37 AM   #9
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
That's tight there Prozac, 911 Truth...it's the movement that's sweeping America. It divides families, friends, colleagues. It's the issue on the lips of everyone. It was the focus of the Obama campaign. It is simply the biggest, most important issue in American today.
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If we're going to start arguing hush-a-booms it'd help to at least get the location of collapse initiation right. I swear to god, the in-ground explosions are as stupid as no-planes.
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Ever watch those videos of open cast mining where they rip up an acre or so of minerals and the sound of the explosion comes across on the soundtrack ?
And they're underground explosions..
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So the truthers have finally (after nine years) addressed the lack of seismic signatures by claiming that the bomb signatures were mixed in with the aircraft impact seismic spikes? Like how the ringing of a cellphone in the third row of a Twisted Sister concert is "mixed in" with Dee Sniders screaming?

And that the detonation of these explosives at the opposite end of the building from where the impacts occurred and the collapses initiated didn't rob the building of its structural until it collapsed more than an hour later?
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
translation?

no one who works for the govt., or ever worked for the govt., or with the govt., can ever be trusted.

I work for NYC govt. I carry a shield. I have a cousin in the NYPD Intelligence Division. I have another cousin in the LAPD. My uncle worked for the IRS. I used to work for the Federal govt. My friend works for the State Dept. and is former DOD and CIA.

I guess this means, Profanz doesn't trust me.


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Old 5th June 2010, 02:59 PM   #14
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
His conclusion depends on his assertion that demolition charges placed underground wouldn't be heard by anyone.

Anyone familiar with the 1993 bombing knows otherwise. The bomb was deep inside the tower and it was heard out on the street for hundreds of yards.

I was a mile away at the time and didn't notice the blast but several good friends heard the blast from street level blocks away.

It's this kind of reality that explains why no eyewitnesses to 9/11 have joined the "Half Truth Movement."
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
Where do these idiots come from? Another idiot steps up, not another expert. Prove he is an expert with something other than your paranoid conspiracy theory opinions.

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impact and the fall of the debris from the Towers onto the ground could have generated seismic waves, their magnitude was insufficient to be recorded 34 km away, and they should have been similar
E=mgh, the kinetic energy of the WTC collapse! Calculate it and you will find over 200, or was it 137 2,000 pound bombs worth of energy during each collapse the idiot you weakly support has to ignore to make the above super delusional statement.

The impacts of 11 and 175 were 1300 and 2093 pounds of TNT kinetic energy impacts; you don't do physics do you? Sad! E=1/2mv2, for the impacts; BTW.

An failed idiot with insane ideas, not an expert showed up 8 years late to spew moronic tripe.

A moron on 911 issues...
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Even if the entire tower had been compacted into a tight ball, it would have necessitated the speed of a meteorite, in any case, more than that caused by the Earth's gravity, to even approach such a magnitude!!
What an idiot! Did you read his paper and work out the physics?

Another nut case with insane ideas on 911 who can't do physics. What a crazy guy, he says underground explosions cause the top down destruction; did he watch the videos? Yes, and he can't figure out 911.

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The aerial explosions visible
- they are jet fuel fireballs, not an explosion; the aircraft kinetic energy impacts were equal to 1300 and 2093 pounds of TNT, this is enough energy to be responsible for the waves recorded; as are the collapse energy.

If you understood physics you would not call the latest dolt to spew nonsense an expert. Go ahead do some physics to save your expert delusion spewing dolt. Make my day
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Old 5th June 2010, 07:49 PM   #16
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
lol!

Where are the peer reviewed articles Profanz? Even if you count the joke that is Bentham, that's still just one in nearly a decade.
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
Did you miss TAM's post just above yours?

If you have an explanation for how basement explosions cut structural members 800 feet in the air, we'd love to hear it.
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yes, even I, a truther, would love to hear some speculation as to how ground level explosions could assist with a CD hypothesis...

I havent come across any yet, but lots of talk of explosions, heavy doors, and drill-presses, etc.
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2006 called, they want their theories back
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yes, even I, a truther, would love to hear some speculation as to how ground level explosions could assist with a CD hypothesis...
And this is why you fail.

On our side, we have evidence.
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
And this is why you fail.

On our side, we have evidence.
You're just asking for the obviously unobtainable. 9/11 happened almost a decade ago, I have a strong feeling that new physical evidence won't be discovered.

With that said, all there is to do is entertain speculative conjecture.
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You're just asking for the obviously unobtainable. 9/11 happened almost a decade ago, I have a strong feeling that new physical evidence won't be discovered.
True but irrelevant.
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With that said, all there is to do is entertain speculative conjecture.
We can also test such conjecture against whatever evidence has already been obtained.

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When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
All your so called "experts" are communist! Your pitiful little band is walking into a trap, as is your rebel fleet!

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When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
Your boy is guv affiliated.

How do you know he isn't just a shill, putting out false info so that it can be debunked at a later date, when some "independent researcher, (IOW, investigoogler) corroborates his story?

Maybe it's all just a fake. A ruse. A setup.

How can you tell which side of the fence he stands on, when it's obvious by reading the bulk of your posts that you don't have the intellectual ability to be able to determine its veracity?
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You're just asking for the obviously unobtainable. 9/11 happened almost a decade ago, I have a strong feeling that new physical evidence won't be discovered.

With that said, all there is to do is entertain speculative conjecture.
911 truth and you have no evidence for the moronic speculative conclusions and ideas on 911. Zero. The lackadaisical speculative lies are most disrespectful because they are based on lies, hearsay and failed opinions.

The best part about 911 truth massive ignorance; they can't help the idiots in 911 truth who post or propagate the nonsense in the OP. The entire movement and super nano-experts are incapable of rational work to support their own and other 911 truth fanatic's nonsense; over 8 years. The entire movement is evidence free; a perfect recored; over 8 years.

Like Bigfoot, 911 truth manufactures evidence in the form of so-called experts writing papers reference idiots in the 911 truth movement. Failure based on failure. It is nonsensical; and then people show up with weak support type of an attitude for 911 truth to a skeptics forum to discuss the quality of the lies the movement makes up; you grade insane thermite claims higher than insane no-plane claims. And on this OP you have more questions, or are you going to grade this one in the middle as you bring up explosions, instead of sounded like an explosion. Weak support for more lame ideas made up by what may be another going insane like thermite Jones PhD with a loaded diaper, instead of the loaded gun, which has replaced the smoking gun. Good grief
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We can also test such conjecture against whatever evidence has already been obtained.

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Very true; and also where it gets fun...

I am actually interested in hearing a proponent of (sub)ground-level planted explosions at the WTC explain how this would assist in a CD hypothesis...unfortunately, I am not such a proponent.
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You're just asking for the obviously unobtainable. 9/11 happened almost a decade ago, I have a strong feeling that new physical evidence won't be discovered.

With that said, all there is to do is entertain speculative conjecture.
This level of candor about the twoof movement usually only comes from Telltale Tom.

Too early to call Poe on this guy?
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This level of candor about the twoof movement usually only comes from Telltale Tom.

Too early to call Poe on this guy?
Conversely, this level of margianalization is quite common among duh-bunkers.
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
Didn't realize you had any "experts" in your stable to begin with...so this makes one? Way to go!!!!
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So the truthers have another expert on their side? Go figure. When are you debunkers going to get some experts on your side that aren't Government version affiliated?
It's ridiculous comments like this that make people laugh at you and your cult of traitors. It shows why 911 traitors are and will always be in the lunatic fringe.
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Conversely, this level of margianalization is quite common among duh-bunkers.
When you clearly state that all you do is speculate and that you have no evidence. What else can we do?

Oh, and you are once again calling people names in an attempt to denigrate them. So much for Mr. "NiceGuy"?
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Conversely, this level of margianalization is quite common among duh-bunkers.
What do you mean? There has never been a serious Truther legal challenge. There is no construction engineering textbook that talks about the demolition of the WTC buildings. There is no discussion of it that goes on in mainstream professional associations. Marginalization you say? You're on the JREF talking with a bunch of amateurs. When is 911 Truth going to be able to move beyond the Internet to venues that are anything more than a hobby for nerds?
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