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Old 27th June 2010, 03:24 PM   #281
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Because most of us have more important things to do than to adress the insane ramblings of yet another Nazi worshipper.
I've had him on ignore for months.
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Old 27th June 2010, 05:35 PM   #282
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So what made the "Nazi leaders" evil, opposing the Jews and Bolshevism?
I would've thought your first guess would've been "starting a global war of aggression and murdering millions of people."
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Old 28th June 2010, 02:51 AM   #283
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Getting back to the subject of the thread, if anyone's interested, here's my synopsis of the First World War.

Germany, Austria and Italy are stood together in the middle of the bar-room, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.
Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit, because there are splashes on its trouser leg.
Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view.
Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.
Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for cleaning Austria's trousers.
Russia and Serbia look at Austria.
Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at.
Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone.
Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so.
Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene.
Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?
Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action.
Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium.
Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone.
Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium.
France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britan and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.
Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings, because Britain made Australia do it.
France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change.
Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting.
America waits till Germany is about to fall over, then walks over, waves a fist at Germany while Britain knocks it out, then pretends it won the fight all by itself.
By now all the chairs are broken, and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault. While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

Nobody comes out of it looking particularly good.

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Old 28th June 2010, 04:48 AM   #284
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That's got to be worth at least a PhD in History!
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Old 28th June 2010, 04:55 AM   #285
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Cutting out stuff
That was sooo nominated. The best description of WWI ever. Where are the jews though?
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Old 28th June 2010, 05:07 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Getting back to the subject of the thread, if anyone's interested, here's my synopsis of the First World War.

Germany, Austria and Italy are stood together in the middle of the bar-room, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.
Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit, because there are splashes on its trouser leg.
Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view.
Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.
Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for cleaning Austria's trousers.
Russia and Serbia look at Austria.
Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at.
Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone.
Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so.
Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene.
Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?
Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action.
Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium.
Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone.
Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium.
France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britan and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.
Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings, because Britain made Australia do it.
France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change.
Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting.
America waits till Germany is about to fall over, then walks over, waves a fist at Germany while Britain knocks it out, then pretends it won the fight all by itself.
By now all the chairs are broken, and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault. While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

Nobody comes out of it looking particularly good.

Dave
Nicely done, although way too much credit for Italy taking out Austria. I'd say Russia took them out along with Turkey.
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Old 28th June 2010, 05:33 AM   #287
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Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator View Post
Amazon reviews overwelmingly in favor of Barque's thesis.
Dude, seriously... you support a thesis with Amazon reviews?

You know, the same site which lets fanboys post glowing, orgasmic reviews of how something is the best thing ever, before it's even published? And yes, I've actually seen such reviews of products which didn't even have a release date announced yet.

Even as the Argumentum ad Populum goes, this is a pencis-up-the-nose retarded one, since it doesn't even show a real popularity. It just shows that a tiny minority of fanboys -- and/or their sockpuppets -- took the time to support their pet idiocy.
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Old 30th June 2010, 11:39 PM   #288
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Getting back to the subject of the thread, if anyone's interested, here's my synopsis of the First World War.
Wonderful.

I don't think the OP delves deeply enough into events leading up the Great War though. I'm with Namier that those who came after Napoleon III simply copied his m.o.

Another influence rarely understood in these days of blanket security and "Pope-Mobiles" is the fact that almost everyone was getting shot or having hatchets thrown at their heads in the late Victorian/Edwardian era. I started a collection of assassination attempts (successful or not) about 10 years ago and ran out of energy. Franz Ferdinand was not an anomaly but just another in a long line of victims. There was no reason to believe his death would result in anything more than that of Plehve, McKinley, or King Umberto.

The biggest contribution to the cavalier approach to general warfare after AUG 1914 was the experience in limited--if brutal--warfare in the Balkan Wars of the two years prior.

To answer the OP--none of the above but you can always blame the Bulgarians if you have to pick someone.
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Old 4th July 2010, 09:47 AM   #289
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Getting back to the subject of the thread, if anyone's interested, here's my synopsis of the First World War.

Germany, Austria and Italy are stood together in the middle of the bar-room, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.
Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit, because there are splashes on its trouser leg.
Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view.
Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.
Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for cleaning Austria's trousers.
Russia and Serbia look at Austria.
Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at.
Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone.
Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so.
Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene.
Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?
Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action.
Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium.
Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone.
Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium.
France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britan and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.
Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings, because Britain made Australia do it.
France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change.
Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting.
America waits till Germany is about to fall over, then walks over, waves a fist at Germany while Britain knocks it out, then pretends it won the fight all by itself.
By now all the chairs are broken, and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault. While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

Nobody comes out of it looking particularly good.

Dave
EXCELLENT! This is what I am looking for, a short as possible summary of the events in a cafe brawl allegory. Not that I entirely agree with the synopsis, but not bad at all and a surprising even handed conclusion in the end! I might use the idea as a introductory summary in my future blog.
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Old 4th July 2010, 11:45 AM   #290
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The insanely punitive Treaty of Versaille, made WW2 inevitable.

So clearly, the French and English caused WW2.
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Old 4th July 2010, 12:35 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Getting back to the subject of the thread, if anyone's interested, here's my synopsis of the First World War.

Germany, Austria and Italy are stood together in the middle of the bar-room, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.
Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit, because there are splashes on its trouser leg.
Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view.
Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.
Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for cleaning Austria's trousers.
Russia and Serbia look at Austria.
Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at.
Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone.
Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so.
Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene.
Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?
Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action.
Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium.
Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone.
Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium.
France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britan and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.
Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings, because Britain made Australia do it.
France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change.
Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting.
America waits till Germany is about to fall over, then walks over, waves a fist at Germany while Britain knocks it out, then pretends it won the fight all by itself.
By now all the chairs are broken, and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault. While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

Nobody comes out of it looking particularly good.

Dave
A few quibbles.
You left out that Turkey kicked Russia in the butt while Russia was fighting Germany.(Turkey,without a formal declarationof war starting shelling Russian cities along the Black Sea Coast in September of 1914).
B.You are really off base when you suggest that the US made no contribution to the final defeat of Germany.
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Old 4th July 2010, 05:12 PM   #292
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Hilarious Dave!! Though you forgot that after being punched in the nose by Turkey, Australia spent the rest of the night telling everyone what an awesome brawl they had been in, and how proud they were in defeat.
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A few quibbles.
You left out that Turkey kicked Russia in the butt while Russia was fighting Germany.(Turkey,without a formal declarationof war starting shelling Russian cities along the Black Sea Coast in September of 1914).
B.You are really off base when you suggest that the US made no contribution to the final defeat of Germany.
Until the US came in there was a stalemate situation on the battle field.
What Dave forgets to mention is WHY the US joined.

Enter the Jews as another party in the cafe brawl.
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Until the US came in there was a stalemate situation on the battle field.
What Dave forgets to mention is WHY the US joined.

Enter the Jews as another party in the cafe brawl.
This is grotesque, horrible garbage (& wrong) - the soviets were slowly battering the Nazis well before the Americans became substantially involved. It was only a matter of time.
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This is grotesque, horrible garbage (& wrong) - the soviets were slowly battering the Nazis well before the Americans became substantially involved. It was only a matter of time.
Wrong war. In WW1, Russia was out of the picture well before America played any significant part; however, the prospect of American manpower flooding the Western Front led Germany to gamble everything on its (ultimately unsuccessful) spring 1918 offensive. I'll freely admit that accuracy and completeness have been sacrificed for brevity and humour, and that American troops played an important role in the final advances of 1918; it's interesting, though, that America played a significant role simply by waving a fist at the right time.

As for why America got involved, I'd just like to suggest that the greatest disappointment in history for the conspiracy theorist must be the comprehensive admission by the German government that the Zimmerman telegram was genuine. Still, Zimmerman sounds Jewish, and I'm sure that's all that counts.

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Wrong war. In WW1, Russia was out of the picture well before America played any significant part; however, the prospect of American manpower flooding the Western Front led Germany to gamble everything on its (ultimately unsuccessful) spring 1918 offensive. I'll freely admit that accuracy and completeness have been sacrificed for brevity and humour, and that American troops played an important role in the final advances of 1918; it's interesting, though, that America played a significant role simply by waving a fist at the right time.

As for why America got involved, I'd just like to suggest that the greatest disappointment in history for the conspiracy theorist must be the comprehensive admission by the German government that the Zimmerman telegram was genuine. Still, Zimmerman sounds Jewish, and I'm sure that's all that counts.

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The moral of the story is to read threads more closely

9/11 investigators premise is still wrong. The naval blockade & the horrendous casualties made a German defeat inevitable irrespective of US involvement but it would have probably happened in 1919. The British & French victory in the 1918 spring offensive was very much the last straw for the Germans. They only have the man power for defensive operations after that.
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Wrong war. In WW1, Russia was out of the picture well before America played any significant part; however, the prospect of American manpower flooding the Western Front led Germany to gamble everything on its (ultimately unsuccessful) spring 1918 offensive. I'll freely admit that accuracy and completeness have been sacrificed for brevity and humour, and that American troops played an important role in the final advances of 1918; it's interesting, though, that America played a significant role simply by waving a fist at the right time.

As for why America got involved, I'd just like to suggest that the greatest disappointment in history for the conspiracy theorist must be the comprehensive admission by the German government that the Zimmerman telegram was genuine. Still, Zimmerman sounds Jewish, and I'm sure that's all that counts.

Dave
Well, our friend from Bolton at least understands the difference between WW1 and WW2, unlike 'scholar' gtm.

Unlike Dave, who probably was not present at the Versailles 'Peace' Conference, there was a Jewish diplomat who was around, Benjamin Freedman. He revealed the reason why the US joined WW1 on the side of the Allies. In summary:

The Jewish Zionists wanted Palestine, first as a home for the Jewish People (an excellent idea that I support, Madagaskar comes to mind or the South-Pole or a few cubic kilometers of concrete, glass and steel like Manhattan) and later as a location for their world government according to their prophets. During WW1 Palestine was administered by Britain. Already during these years the US (Washington rather) was under Jewish control. So the Jews smelled their chance. They offered the British government to bring in their American serfs in exchange for Palestine. The German hating British government was all too keen to accept the offer... This side of the story obviously you will never hear in any western classroom. After all it were the Germans who gassed 6 million Jews, remember? After all, the Jews-Bolsheviks-Anglos told us so themselves in Nuremberg. Once you see through this Anglo-Jewish complicity in deceit it becomes very difficult to encounter an Englishmen without having to vomit. **

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, they went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like the traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. And they were no good.

Well, shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

The Zionists in London sent these cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis: “Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting from England what we want. Now you go to work, and you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war." And that did happen. That's how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room.

Now the war -- World War One -- in which the United States participated had absolutely no reason to be our war. We went in there -- we were railroaded into it -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. Now, that is something that the people in the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War One. Now, what happened?

After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: “Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war.” Because they didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, and it was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. And I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that.

Now, that is where all the trouble started. The United States went in the war. The United States crushed Germany. We went in there, and it's history. You know what happened. Now, when the war was ended, and the Germans went to Paris, to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what happened?

The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations that claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, the Jews said, “How about Palestine for us?” And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, “Oh, that was the game! That's why the United States came into the war.” And the Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered this terrific reparation that was slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and they were determined to get it at any cost.

Now, that brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany.


To sum it all up: no, WW1 was not started by 'The Jews'. But because of their actions before and during Versailles they outright provoked Hitler and his anti-semitism. There was no country that was more hospitable to the Jews than Germany. And yet the Jews betrayed Germany and destroyed it. The other reason why the Jews were hated was their dominating role in bolshevism that threatened to take over the whole world.

** - I just returned from a holiday in the mountains of Austria (my opponents probably immediately recognisize the Nazi in me from my choice of holiday destination). In the courtyard of the hotel the management had installed a large screen so the guests could follow the WC football matches. I followed the matches where Holland was not involved with one eye, the other eye on the screen of my laptop following more interesting developments on sites like fpp.co.uk, 911blogger.com or codoh.com. The encounter Germany-England was a pleasant one, although the outcome was completely as expected. A few days later I observed the English guests while watching the game Germany-Argentina. They all were in favour of Argentina, probably including Mick Jagger who was on the tribune again. poor Mike, not much satisfaction for him this week. I was tempted to shout 'Malvinas Argentinas!', but I restrained myself and instead cheered when Germany scored (4 cheers!) and browsing to the site of David Irving for every Englishmen to see and to show this article to a relative, likely directly implicating Tony Blair in the murder of David Kelly.

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I've always wondered, if the master race really is the master race, why is everything controlled and run by jews? Doesn't sound very masterful to me.
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During WW1 Palestine was administered by Britain.
I think if you checked you'd find that the Turks held Palestine during most of WWI as they had for centuries. The British conquered the majority of the area during WWI, taking Jerusalem on December 1917.
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Thus showing the mental gymnastics neo-Nazis will undertake in order to blame the Jews for everything; Hitler was justified in murdering nearly six million Jews because a small group of people - different people to the ones Hitler murdered, let's not forget -were allowed to settle in British-controlled Palestine, an area that Germany had never had any claim over; and America's declaration of war on Germany was nothing whatsoever to do with Germany's openly declared aim of waging unlimited submarine warfare against, among others, American ships, and entering into an alliance with Mexico to invade America and annexe Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.

I must confess to a vague desire to vomit, but it's nothing to do with being an Englishman, even one who isn't from Bolton.

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I've always wondered, if the master race really is the master race, why is everything controlled and run by jews? Doesn't sound very masterful to me.
Nobody says that 'The Jews run everything', on the contrary. They do however have total control over the US and almost total control over Britain. And a very strong position in France, Australia and a few more countries. But that's it.
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Once you see through this Anglo-Jewish complicity in deceit it becomes very difficult to encounter an Englishmen without having to vomit. **
As an Englishman of party jewish descent the feeling is mutual. You're peddling perverted, racist history that seeks to blame every cataclysm in modern european history on the 'jews' & as such are deserving an equal dose of contempt & pity in equal measures.

You need to to take a long hard look at the course you're taking in life. Something has gone badly wrong.
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Thus showing the mental gymnastics neo-Nazis will undertake in order to blame the Jews for everything;
Nobody blames the Jews for WW1.

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Hitler was justified in murdering nearly six million Jews
We are still waiting for your proof that that happened.

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because a small group of people - different people to the ones Hitler murdered, let's not forget -were allowed to settle in British-controlled Palestine, an area that Germany had never had any claim over; and America's declaration of war on Germany was nothing whatsoever to do with
That's was the great stupidity of the Germans that they shipped the likes of Anne Frank away to the east. They were not acting Jewish enough. The Jews are far more effective in decapitating a nation, ask the Poles. What should be done once the truth behind 911 and Auschwitz and WW2 emerges (thanks to the internet that Joe Lieberman wants to switch off, one wonders why. Probably afraid that the Goyim will find out that his ethnic palls organized 9/11) is to ship some 10,000 Jewish ring leaders behind 9/11, the Iraq war, the immigration policy, the bail-outs, etc. to, say, Smolensk and let the Poles and Russians settle some historic scores. My advice: let them write lines like "we are not allowed to fool the Goyim, to exercise usury, to falsify history ('holocaust'), to bolshevize the world, to start famines like the Holomodor, to destroy nations with multiculturalism". Once the likes of Richard Pearl, Wolfowitz and many more have written these lines 10 million times, they are free to go.


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I must confess to a vague desire to vomit, but it's nothing to do with being an Englishman, even one who isn't from Bolton.
Not that I care where you live but you certainly provoke such an assumption while professing that your location is 'Notlob'.

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I think if you checked you'd find that the Turks held Palestine during most of WWI as they had for centuries. The British conquered the majority of the area during WWI, taking Jerusalem on December 1917.
That's what I say: not for centuries but during WW1, or rather the part of WW1 that matters, namely the last part before Versailles.
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As an Englishman of party jewish descent the feeling is mutual. You're peddling perverted, racist history that seeks to blame every cataclysm in modern european history on the 'jews' & as such are deserving an equal dose of contempt & pity in equal measures.
Translation: gtm has no reply against the damning statements made by Benjamin Freedman. Neither has Dave who is not from Bolton.

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You need to to take a long hard look at the course you're taking in life. Something has gone badly wrong.
Where my life really went 'wrong' was with the advent of the internet and many months being away from home spent in hotel rooms after work visiting interesting sites ever since 2000.
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I must confess to a vague desire to vomit, but it's nothing to do with being an Englishman, even one who isn't from Bolton.
Nobody will demand from Dave to vomit just because he is English. After all he is not a 'self-hating Brit', unlike these British divers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nger-ship.html

OK, so the Jews wanted Palestine in return for organizing American entry in WW1 for the sake of destroying Germany which had become too big for the British and their centuries old 'splendid isolation' policy. Germany must perish, so to speak. After all, the Germans during WW1 had offered peace repeatedly from a position of strength, basically saying: "let's have a group hug and go home". But the British were not satisfied with anything less than the destruction of Germany. That was their motive during WW1 and WW2. Even the bitch Thatcher tried to prevent the reunification of Germany in 1990 from a 'little Englander instinct'. Coronation Street gone wild, so to speak.

The problem was how to achieve American war entry. Not difficult for our eternal deceivers: just fill a passenger ship with contrabande and 'leak' this information to the Germans who were than forced to sink the ship (and were entitled to do so under international law).

Balfour and the Lusitania are the 2 dirty secrets behind WW1 now all in the open, thanks to the internet, that Joe Lieberman wants to switch off in case of an 'emergency'.

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The problem was how to achieve American war entry. Not difficult for our eternal deceivers: just fill a passenger ship with contrabande and 'leak' this information to the Germans who were than forced to sink the ship (and were entitled to do so ).
That's fine, apart from the following minor niggles: the ammunition on board was listed on the cargo manifest and therefore was never a secret in the first place; the Germans were not entitled to sink any ship without stopping it, searching it for contraband and allowing any civilians on board to be evacuated by lifeboats; the Germans were in no way forced to sink the ship; and the sinking of the Lusitania wasn't the cause of US entry into the First World War.

But apart from every fact in it, your post contains no incorrect facts.

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Translation: gtm has no reply against the damning statements made by Benjamin Freedman. Neither has Dave who is not from Bolton.



Where my life really went 'wrong' was with the advent of the internet and many months being away from home spent in hotel rooms after work visiting interesting sites ever since 2000.
Freedman was a notorious crank & his 'account' has no historical value whatsoever. Is there any evidence he was actually at the Versailles Conference? If so in what capacity? Would he have been privy to high level talks? Is there any independent evidence that confirms these telegrams to Justice Brandeis exist?

As for where you life went 'wrong' I'm quite willing to take you on your word about lurking in hotel rooms.
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That's fine, apart from the following minor niggles: the ammunition on board was listed on the cargo manifest and therefore was never a secret in the first place; the Germans were not entitled to sink any ship without stopping it, searching it for contraband and allowing any civilians on board to be evacuated by lifeboats; the Germans were in no way forced to sink the ship; and the sinking of the Lusitania wasn't the cause of US entry into the First World War.

But apart from every fact in it, your post contains no incorrect facts.
I suggest that you write a letter to the 'self-hating' Daily Mail then since they view the matter somewhat in a different light:

Munitions they found in the hold suggest that the Germans had been right all along in claiming the ship was carrying war materials and was a legitimate military target.

The disaster was used to whip up anti-German anger, especially in the U.S., where 128 of the 1,198 victims came from.

A hundred of the dead were children, many of them under two.

Robert Lansing, the U.S. secretary of state, later wrote that the sinking gave him the 'conviction we would ultimately become the ally of Britain'.

Americans were even told, falsely, that German children were given a day off school to celebrate the sinking of the Lusitania...

The disaster inspired a multitude of recruitment posters demanding vengeance for the victims.


I am not saying that the Lusitania was only the reason for the Americans to enter the war, but it certainly was used to sell the war to the American public.

And here we have Churchill again:

Winston Churchill, who was first Lord of the Admiralty and has long been suspected of knowing more about the circumstances of the attack than he let on in public, wrote in a confidential letter shortly before the sinking that some German submarine attacks were to be welcomed.

He said: 'It is most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores, in the hope especially of embroiling the U.S. with Germany.


Why do I have associations with the hardly veiled wish for a 'New Pearl Harbor' by our neocon friends in the US?

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Freedman was a notorious crank & his 'account' has no historical value whatsoever.
Could you elaborate a bit on your statements?

Copies from mental ward documents for instance?

Just to avoid the impression that you make these statements because you don't like Freedman's message for ethno-centric reasons. I mean, you confessed as much that you are 'partly' Jewish.

Thanks in advance.
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I suggest that you write a letter to the 'self-hating' Daily Mail then since they view the matter somewhat in a different light:
I wouldn't abuse an innocent piece of paper by sending it to the Daily Mail. It's one of the least authoritative sources I could imagine; its core business is pandering to the bitter anger of those of modest ability who feel that the world owes them a free lunch and are convinced that someone else must have stolen it from them. I'm not surprised you rate it so highly.

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Could you elaborate a bit on your statements?

Copies from mental ward documents for instance?

Just to avoid the impression that you make these statements because you don't like Freedman's message for ethno-centric reasons. I mean, you confessed as much that you are 'partly' Jewish.

Thanks in advance.

You don't have to be under formal psychiatric treatment to be a 'crank'.

Your last paragraph is beneath contempt.

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I wouldn't abuse an innocent piece of paper by sending it to the Daily Mail. It's one of the least authoritative sources I could imagine; its core business is pandering to the bitter anger of those of modest ability who feel that the world owes them a free lunch and are convinced that someone else must have stolen it from them. I'm not surprised you rate it so highly.
Smear, no content. Running out of arguments.

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You don't have to be under formal psychiatric treatment to be a 'crank'.

Your last paragraph is beneath contempt.
Smear, no content. Running out of arguments.

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I am not saying that the Lusitania was only the reason for the Americans to enter the war, but it certainly was used to sell the war to the American public.
Sad, then, that Germany was taken in by the nefarious Jewish plot. All they had to do was not offer military aid to a Mexican invasion of America, and not make it clear that they'd be sinking a whole lot more American ships whether or not they happened to contain smalll-arms ammunition, and the whole thing would have been foiled. But it seems that, in the early 20th Century, Germany so often forgot to take the minor precaution of not threatening or carrying out blatant acts of aggression against countries it clearly had no intention of going to war with.

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Daily Mail, the paper owned by Friend of th Nazis Lord Rothmere??
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Lord Rothermere was a friend and supporter of both Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, which influenced the Mail's political stance towards them up to 1939.

On 10 July 1933, Rothermere wrote an editorial titled "Youth Triumphant" in support of Adolf Hitler, which was subsequently used as propaganda by the Nazis. In early 1934, ceasing after a meeting at Kensington Olympia in June, Rothermere and the Mail were editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article entitled "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", in January 1934, praising Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine
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Smear, no content. Running out of arguments.
Wrong. Appropriate response to your appeal to the authority of the Daily Mail, which has none.

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OK, so the Jews wanted Palestine in return for organizing American entry in WW1 for the sake of destroying Germany which had become too big for the British and their centuries old 'splendid isolation' policy.
prove it.

how the hell did "the Jews" force the USA to enter WW1?

did "the Jews" attack the Lusitania, and the 2 other ships after that which were attacked by German U-Boats?

did "the Jews" conspire to create the Zimmerman Letter...against the wishes of the Kaiser?

prove it.

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Smear, no content. Running out of arguments.

Please provide evidence of Freedman's a) attendance at the Versailles Conference b) his role there c) whether or not he had access to the high level meetings d) & the Brandeis telegrams.
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Please provide evidence of Freedman's a) attendance at the Versailles Conference b) his role there c) whether or not he had access to the high level meetings d) & the Brandeis telegrams.
Why don't you prove that he was not there?

He said so himself he was there.

Not believing Freedman would be a clear sign of blatant antisemitism and we are all glad we are not like that.
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