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Old 5th October 2010, 04:12 PM   #201
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Yawn.

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What a reply...so witty...so original.

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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
What a reply...so witty...so original.

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Hey it's been a long day and I have a headache.

Turn on the Comedy Network if your looking for more laffs.

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Download complete

Bittorrent has delivered the complete set to my laptop. Here is a list of the titles. If anyone sees anything interesting we'll see how to transfer the files to you.

I'd love to see any footage shot by Lucia Davis and used in a British 911 documentary. This is where the fake explosion heard by the firemen at the payphone came from.

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Bryan Stuart's 9-11 Tape
CBS Naudet
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CNN NIST Dub #18 - Kiederling
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Old 5th October 2010, 08:44 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
Yawn.

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So you deign to address my bit of sarcasm at the end of my post but (still) cannot be bothered to address the simple mathematics of the situation that was put to you several times and referenced in the first lines of my previous post.

Simple question MM. Do you understand the concept that RD mentioned, that of 'similar triangles'? Yes, or no?
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Old 5th October 2010, 08:47 PM   #205
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[CT]Ooooh they used the term "NIST Dub" obviously means 'altered video'[/CT]
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Old 7th October 2010, 12:15 PM   #206
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The truthers are up in arms over this youtube video: watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o. Sorry, can't post url. My thought is that these firemen were in the north tower lobby when the south tower collapsed. Does anyone have any thoughts or information about this video or these firefighters?
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Old 7th October 2010, 12:56 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by Feldspar View Post
The truthers are up in arms over this youtube video: watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o. Sorry, can't post url. My thought is that these firemen were in the north tower lobby when the south tower collapsed. Does anyone have any thoughts or information about this video or these firefighters?
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I AGREE

I stopped watching these a long time ago.
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Old 7th October 2010, 03:26 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
Bittorrent has delivered the complete set to my laptop. Here is a list of the titles. If anyone sees anything interesting we'll see how to transfer the files to you.
Currently it's looking like it will take me around 6 months to download everything (not an exaggeration, that's actually what it says) so I think I'll be giving up.

From the list, though, SkidmoreOwingsMerrill may be interesting. Dr Barnett of FEMA told me once that videos of the collapses like that one showed very clearly (as far as he concerned) that explosives had nothing to do with them -- does that section have anything new, as far as you can see?
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Old 7th October 2010, 03:39 PM   #209
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Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
Bittorrent has delivered the complete set to my laptop. Here is a list of the titles. If anyone sees anything interesting we'll see how to transfer the files to you.

I'd love to see any footage shot by Lucia Davis and used in a British 911 documentary. This is where the fake explosion heard by the firemen at the payphone came from.
What about the only one described as 'unknown source' ?

Unknown Source - Short Clips of WTC 7 Burning
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Old 7th October 2010, 03:57 PM   #210
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Currently it's looking like it will take me around 6 months to download everything (not an exaggeration, that's actually what it says) so I think I'll be giving up.

From the list, though, SkidmoreOwingsMerrill may be interesting. Dr Barnett of FEMA told me once that videos of the collapses like that one showed very clearly (as far as he concerned) that explosives had nothing to do with them -- does that section have anything new, as far as you can see?
It's about 90 seconds of video of the WTC2 fire floors with a sound track that would certainly record detonations. 30MB.

I'll PM the server path to you. The net connection has a quota limit. For now I don't want to make it public.
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Old 7th October 2010, 04:27 PM   #211
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So you deign to address my bit of sarcasm at the end of my post but (still) cannot be bothered to address the simple mathematics of the situation that was put to you several times and referenced in the first lines of my previous post.

Simple question MM. Do you understand the concept that RD mentioned, that of 'similar triangles'? Yes, or no?
Your math isn't worth jack if you can't substantiate the data you plug into it.

Which you can't.

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Old 7th October 2010, 04:33 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by bill smith View Post
What about the only one described as 'unknown source' ?

Unknown Source - Short Clips of WTC 7 Burning
Here's one just for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVVCr8rBSBk

This folder is some odds and ends. There are much more spectacular WTC7-on-fire segments when I come across them again.
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Old 7th October 2010, 05:08 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by Feldspar View Post
The truthers are up in arms over this youtube video: watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o. Sorry, can't post url. My thought is that these firemen were in the north tower lobby when the south tower collapsed. Does anyone have any thoughts or information about this video or these firefighters?

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The three fire fighters are from Ladder Company 24, and are for certain Jimmy Grillo (the one in the middle) and probably James Duffy and Tyrone Johnson.

I am not sure about the last two, but given testimonies from Ladder 24 fire fighters it is my conclusion, but perhaps someone can help getting their names straight?!

The interesting thing is not so much who they are, but the fact that they were NOT in the lobby of any of the towers, but in the Marriott lobby. Reading their testimonies it becomes very clear that what they are describing in the video as explosions are the collapse of the South Tower unto the Marriott Hotel and then secondly the collapse of the North Tower.

They waited in the lobby of the Marriott Hotel, when the South Tower collapsed and were on their way out of the rubble of the Marriott Hotel, when the North Tower collapsed.
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Old 7th October 2010, 05:24 PM   #214
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The three fire fighters are from Ladder Company 24, and are for certain Jimmy Grillo (the one in the middle) and probably James Duffy and Tyrone Johnson.

I am not sure about the last two, but given testimonies from Ladder 24 fire fighters it is my conclusion, but perhaps someone can help getting their names straight?!

The interesting thing is not so much who they are, but the fact that they were NOT in the lobby of any of the towers, but in the Marriott lobby. Reading their testimonies it becomes very clear that what they are describing in the video as explosions are the collapse of the South Tower unto the Marriott Hotel and then secondly the collapse of the North Tower.

They waited in the lobby of the Marriott Hotel, when the South Tower collapsed and were on their way out of the rubble of the Marriott Hotel, when the North Tower collapsed.
Jos,

This may help.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

I would cross reference it, but I have other things to tend to.
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
Your math isn't worth jack if you can't substantiate the data you plug into it.

Which you can't.

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WE do know the distance between windows and core, right? We do know the height between floor and ceiling, right? I specifically asked you for the floor number and for a distance from camera to tower outer wall. I only ask you so that you cannot then claim that numbers I supply are all wrong.


Fact is that throughout any valid range for both of those unknowns the result will still be that the concrete floor is going to obstruct a view of the supposed thermite burn at the core.

At least try MM, are you afraid of what the math will show you? Do you really wish to continue sticking your fingers in your ears and shout"I can't hear you"?
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Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
Here's one just for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVVCr8rBSBk

This folder is some odds and ends. There are much more spectacular WTC7-on-fire segments when I come across them again.
It's just a shame that the source can't be verified other than having come from NIST.
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
Jos,

This may help.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

I would cross reference it, but I have other things to tend to.
I already did, and that is why I am some what sure about the names of the other two. It would just be nice if some one could confirm this.

But the main point is still, that none of them were in the lobby of any of the towers, as the truthers claim. They were in the lobby of the Marriott Hotel.
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It's just a shame that the source can't be verified other than having come from NIST.
New Yorkers know it's WTC7.

It's on fire.

What more do you want?

We have countless similar video of WTC7 on fire from other sources.
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New Yorkers know it's WTC7.

It's on fire.

What more do you want?

We have countless similar video of WTC7 on fire from other sources.
Sure, and we are generally happy that those videos nicely support our case of insignificant fires.

But NIST has had a long time to potentially play with these new videos that they withheld for almost a decade. So some people might not be surprised to see forgeries show up in these 'short clips of WTC7 burning' from 'Unknown Sources'
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I already did, and that is why I am some what sure about the names of the other two. It would just be nice if some one could confirm this.

But the main point is still, that none of them were in the lobby of any of the towers, as the truthers claim. They were in the lobby of the Marriott Hotel.
But they are clearly referring to bombs whether that be the Marriot or the Towers. The Marriot was one of the WTC Silverstein-leased buildings wasn't it ?
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If the NIST video releases should have too much detail that actually supports the government case and yet NIST kept those clips under wraps for almost a decade that in itself will be very interesting.
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But NIST has had a long time to potentially play with these new videos that they withheld for almost a decade. So some people might not be surprised to see forgeries show up in these 'short clips of WTC7 burning' from 'Unknown Sources'
Got proof to support your moronic lies, your delusional lies? No

Why do you make up lies about 911?
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Here's some of the latest video to come out of this new release.

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-10-0...wers-collapsed
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Here's some of the latest video to come out of this new release.

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-10-0...wers-collapsed
Maybe these huge explosions made by explosive demolition were caught by audio recordings taken as the collapses happened...
South tower collapse audio from WTC 1 lobby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3umJC...layer_embedded

WTC 1 collapse from a few block away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UlJV...layer_embedded

Can you kindly point out where in the audio these huge explosive detonations took place?

I'm guessing if those firefighters were close enough to noise caused by debris hitting the ground would have indeed lead them to an experience akin to a loud explosion, but then I suppose the idea that chaotic events causing mass confusion is unfathomable....
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It's just a shame that the source can't be verified other than having come from NIST.
Well, if Trutherville could manage to submit something other than a poorly edited utube video, maybe we could use that, too?
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Sure, and we are generally happy that those videos nicely support our case of insignificant fires.
This just in!...fires engulfing an entire floor are insignificant!

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Originally Posted by sabretooth47 View Post
This just in!...fires engulfing an entire floor are insignificant!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f636b9f3a6.jpg
Which face of WTC7 is that ?
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Originally Posted by sabretooth47 View Post
This just in!...fires engulfing an entire floor are insignificant!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f636b9f3a6.jpg
To demonstrate fires engulfing an entire floor, you have posted a photograph showing that the entire floor wasn't engulfed.
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To demonstrate fires engulfing an entire floor, you have posted a photograph showing that the entire floor wasn't engulfed.
Sort of like the truthers here providing a 2004 photo of a corner of the exterior of the building with no active flames through the windows as proof that there was no fire near column 79.

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Originally Posted by cooperman View Post
To demonstrate fires engulfing an entire floor, you have posted a photograph showing that the entire floor wasn't engulfed.
you're freakin kidding me, right?

The fire has traversed the entire floor, as evidenced by the broken windows. Are really gonna play stupid to push your nonsense?

EDIT: and if you really wanna nitpick, are you gonna tell me visible flames half the length of the floor, as well as visible flames on multiple floors, aren't significant?
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Old 8th October 2010, 01:52 PM   #231
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I'm guessing if those firefighters were close enough to noise caused by debris hitting the ground would have indeed lead them to an experience akin to a loud explosion, but then I suppose the idea that chaotic events causing mass confusion is unfathomable....
Yes, loud crashes and rumblings that sound like a freight train coming through your bedroom. Very confusing and chaotic. There is not much I remember specifically, but I can assure anyone that there was nothing so loud that my ears bled or I suffered any kind of loss of hearing.
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Originally Posted by srsjuiceman View Post
Yes, loud crashes and rumblings that sound like a freight train coming through your bedroom. Very confusing and chaotic. There is not much I remember specifically, but I can assure anyone that there was nothing so loud that my ears bled or I suffered any kind of loss of hearing.
That is good news.

Research has shown that those more serious symptoms are not always present and are dependent on the specific circumstances.

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Old 8th October 2010, 01:58 PM   #233
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Originally Posted by sabretooth47 View Post
you're freakin kidding me, right?

The fire has traversed the entire floor, as evidenced by the broken windows. Are really gonna play stupid to push your nonsense?

EDIT: and if you really wanna nitpick, are you gonna tell me visible flames half the length of the floor, as well as visible flames on multiple floors, aren't significant?
Unfortunately, the nut jobs are not attached to reality and have seen too many movies. If the building's fire didn't look like the one from Towering Inferno, it couldn't possibly been enough to bring it down. Sad really.

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Old 8th October 2010, 02:01 PM   #234
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
That is good news.

Research has shown that those more serious symptoms are not always present and are dependent on the specific circumstances.

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Something doesn't smell quite right about our new poster. He has taken the time to put his New York location in the info beneath his username and he is yet another member here who happens to have been there on 9/11.

Take it with a pinch of salt. Although, i am sure you already are.
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
That is good news.

Research has shown that those more serious symptoms are not always present and are dependent on the specific circumstances.

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Thanks. I'm glad I'm in relatively good health too. I should have said temporary loss of hearing, but you get the point. I just think it it were an actual bomb or charges it would have been more concussive. There wasn't a large bang to start things off, it just started and all hell broke loose.

I can say 'hell' can't I?
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Originally Posted by cooperman View Post
Something doesn't smell quite right about our new poster. He has taken the time to put his New York location in the info beneath his username and he is yet another member here who happens to have been there on 9/11.

Take it with a pinch of salt. Although, i am sure you already are.
Yes.

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Originally Posted by cooperman View Post
Something doesn't smell quite right about our new poster. He has taken the time to put his New York location in the info beneath his username and he is yet another member here who happens to have been there on 9/11.

Take it with a pinch of salt. Although, i am sure you already are.
Hey, take it easy. I also put carpenter in as my occupation as well. I live in Orange County, about 30 minutes from NYC. I have a 10924 zip code and my local city center is an ugly building that looks as though it was built by a kid with legos. I have an 845 area code. I'm sorry if you feel I am being disingenuous, but I doubt anything I could say will make that right.
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Originally Posted by srsjuiceman View Post
Thanks. I'm glad I'm in relatively good health too. I should have said temporary loss of hearing, but you get the point. I just think it it were an actual bomb or charges it would have been more concussive. There wasn't a large bang to start things off, it just started and all hell broke loose.

I can say 'hell' can't I?
In JREF you can pretty well say whatever you like. Particularly if it favors the Official Conspiracy Theory.

You are welcome to your opinions.

I only hope you keep an open mind.

The majority here have little use for people with open minds though.

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Originally Posted by cooperman View Post
Something doesn't smell quite right about our new poster. He has taken the time to put his New York location in the info beneath his username and he is yet another member here who happens to have been there on 9/11.

Take it with a pinch of salt. Although, i am sure you already are.
Parnoid much? Have you been studying the many socks here at JREF, and are you picking up their techniques? There are JREF who were in NYC on 911, saw the planes and saw the fire in WTC 7. When will you return to correct your lies about One Meridian Plaza? That smell, is it your trail of rotten lies on 911?


Originally Posted by srsjuiceman View Post
Hey, take it easy. I also put carpenter in as my occupation as well. I live in Orange County, about 30 minutes from NYC. I have a 10924 zip code and my local city center is an ugly building that looks as though it was built by a kid with legos. I have an 845 area code. I'm sorry if you feel I am being disingenuous, but I doubt anything I could say will make that right.
He has been spewing nonsense on 911 and is acting like a sock so he can report us for being mean.

You are not the first JREF to experience 911 events in person; welcome

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=160

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Old 8th October 2010, 02:11 PM   #240
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
That is good news.

Research has shown that those more serious symptoms are not always present and are dependent on the specific circumstances.

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Any noises coming from the frame of a steel building on fire is very, very bad news.

Steel structures make noises as they fail. Firemen are trained to watch out for them for their own protection.

FDNY cites "creaking" as part of the information they had that indicated that WTC7 was doomed.

Here are other examples.

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On the 56th floor, an architect believes the building was failing structurally. Architect Bob Shelton had his foot in a cast; he'd broken it falling off a curb two weeks ago. He heard the explosion of the first plane hitting the north tower from his 56th-floor office in the south tower. As he made his way down the stairwell,
his building came under attack as well. "You could hear the building cracking. It sounded like when you have a bunch of spaghetti, and you break it in half to boil it." Shelton knew that what he was hearing was bad. "It was structural failure," Shelton says. "Once a building like that is off center, that's it."
http://911stories.googlepages.com/ac...nstabilityande
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"Who cannot (sic) forget that eerie creaking sound that emanated throughout the city right before the North Tower fell?" –Marc Morial, President and CEO, National Urban League Source
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