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Old 25th September 2010, 05:54 PM   #1
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Eckhart Tolle

What do you guy's think? My cousin told me about him yesterday and it seems like he's teaching something that dosen't have any strict religious rules to it. No heaven and hell is a plus too. I thought I might buy an audiobook of his from itunes.

But I wanted to know what you guy's think before I delve into this seemingly harmless...I don't know what word to use to end this sentence. i thought about using the world "stuff" but decided against it.
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Old 25th September 2010, 06:10 PM   #2
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From the Eckhart Tolle about page:
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At the core of the teachings lies the transformation of consciousness, a spiritual awakening that he sees as the next step in human evolution.
I'd want a clear definition of "spiritual awakening" and what evidence he has that it's "the next step in human evolution" before I'd waste any time on him.

For me, "spiritual" is a code word for "magic innards"

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Old 25th September 2010, 09:01 PM   #3
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"Spiritual" is a fancy word for "meaningless".
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Old 25th September 2010, 09:07 PM   #4
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The guy (and his partner) sure do have a lot of "stuff" to sell.

A heavy mixture of the "spiritual" with the "material".
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Old 25th September 2010, 10:32 PM   #5
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I've been told that I look a lot like him. I was not flattered.
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Old 25th September 2010, 11:24 PM   #6
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Somebody needs to tell these people that the new age phase is on its way out. The crystals told me so.
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Old 26th September 2010, 05:03 PM   #7
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One of his books was recommended to me and so, of course, I read it . . . well, more accurately, I gagged my way through it.

Starts out okay as a "power of positive thinking" thing but that's old news and it quickly spirals into the realm of crazy crap.

Wouldn't recommend it to anyone. If you want a spiritually uplifting book, "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman" is so much better and based on reality, too.
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Old 26th September 2010, 05:10 PM   #8
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The Power of Now, if you can filter out the spirituality crap, speaks about a great concept - the power of living in the present rather than wasting time on the past and future.

I'm good at filtering out nonsense, so I was able to make it to the end of this one. It was more of an expose on living now rather than a how-to guide.

The Eastern argument would be that you're supposed to meditate on ambiguous, vague teachings so as to realize them for yourself. This is why Tolle does not get specific with his claims.

The Western argument would be that Tolle is annoyingly beating around the bush.

He isn't a Christian, but he sees benefit in the Bible's teachings. He frequently mentions Jesus, but it's clear that he believes in one consciousness stuff. I find this sort of thing irritating simply because it is in the same sandbox as the law of attraction.
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Old 26th September 2010, 06:15 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by AaronMHatch View Post
The Power of Now, if you can filter out the spirituality crap, speaks about a great concept - the power of living in the present rather than wasting time on the past and future.
Ca't you get that from less nonsensical sources, though?

I've read a bit of what I like to call "management philosophy" authors. I still think they're largely annoying, but at least they're practical and concrete compared to the new-agers. I'm thinking of Covey, Allen and the like.

There's this psychologist, Csikszentmihalyi, whose concept of flow makes a lot of sense to me. A lot of these management philosophy guys have taken that in, and built a coaching / positive thinking mess on top of it. I haven't read his own books, but I guess I'd start there.
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Old 26th September 2010, 06:18 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Pauliesonne View Post
But I wanted to know what you guy's think before I delve into this seemingly harmless...I don't know what word to use to end this sentence. i thought about using the world "stuff" but decided against it.
Can I suggest "drivel"?

Don't waste your time and money.
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Old 26th September 2010, 06:29 PM   #11
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a spiritual awakening that he sees as the next step in human evolution
Personally I have a problem with people who misrepresent the science of evolutionary biology. Anyone who thinks of evolution as a ladder, up which we are climbing, and particularly those who predict the next step, is doing so.

Those who also misrepresent evolution as a process that occurs in individuals rather than populations even more so.

I have friends who follow this stuff and the misrepresentation of evolution is exasperating.
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Old 26th September 2010, 07:22 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain View Post
Ca't you get that from less nonsensical sources, though?
I personally haven't found any that discuss this topic, though I haven't looked. Your sources likely are good starting points. In general, attaining facts from less nonsensical sources is a good idea. It would certainly prevent a lot of eye rolling, something that I dealt with in Tolle's book.

He has another book that I refuse to touch.. it's called A New Earth. This one gets into a whole bunch of woo and has poisoned several of the weak minds I know.

Tolle, according to the bit of autobiography in The Power of Now, seems like one of those journeymen who struggled with finding a purpose early on in life, only to discover one in the realm of woo during his 30s. It's very easy, in my opinion, to get caught up in the one-consciousness talk and to stay committed to selling it after seeing how much cash you can sucker out of, well, suckers. He comes off as a gentle, loving person. In reality, anyone who prints a book such as The Power of Now and then releases a companion book that basically rehashes the same stuff is a snakeoil salesman.

Bad, Tolle, bad.

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Old 26th September 2010, 09:45 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain View Post
There's this psychologist, Csikszentmihalyi, whose concept of flow makes a lot of sense to me. A lot of these management philosophy guys have taken that in, and built a coaching / positive thinking mess on top of it. I haven't read his own books, but I guess I'd start there.
The concept, and even the name, of flow has been around longer than that, e.g. the classic 1987 project management book Peopleware which is all about how to get programmers into flow and keep them there. Any good programmer will be familiar with the concept - and probably also with the term and the book.
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Old 27th September 2010, 04:11 AM   #14
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Can I suggest "drivel"?

Don't waste your time and money.
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Old 27th September 2010, 09:18 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by PixyMisa View Post
The concept, and even the name, of flow has been around longer than that, e.g. the classic 1987 project management book Peopleware which is all about how to get programmers into flow and keep them there. Any good programmer will be familiar with the concept - and probably also with the term and the book.
Am I still a good programmer if I know of the concept from a different source?

Actually, that's just the name they all drop, or at least the one I remember.
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Old 27th September 2010, 03:04 PM   #17
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"Spiritual" is a fancy word for "meaningless".
Not quite.
"Spiritual" has two meanings, depending on who uses it.
1. "Superior to other people by dint of having a direct connection with the numinous force which powers the Universe."

and

2. Meaningless.


Choose one.
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Old 27th September 2012, 05:04 PM   #18
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He has another book that I refuse to touch.. it's called A New Earth. This one gets into a whole bunch of woo and has poisoned several of the weak minds I know.
How so?
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Old 27th September 2012, 07:50 PM   #19
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CosmicAug, you won't get an answer from AaronMHatch. He hasn't been around here since nearly two years ago.

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Old 28th September 2012, 07:38 AM   #20
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CosmicAug, you won't get an answer from AaronMHatch. He hasn't been around here since nearly two years ago.

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If his experience is typical, someone else could answer, though.

I'm just curious about Tolle and whether there's anything more pernicious about him than the money grubbing.





Yeah, I know, thread necromancy.

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The video moves along so slowly that at one point I thought it was on pause. For someone who is in the moment he sure seems to waste a lot of them. However when he said there is no such thing as the future, because if there was someone would have discovered it by now, and planted a flag there and come back to tell us about it, I do confess to a mild chuckle.
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