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Merged Bem's latest experiments / Researcher says we can see the future

"The term psi denotes anomalous processes of information or energy transfer that are currently unexplained in terms of known physical or biological mechanisms. The term is purely descriptive; it neither implies that such phenomena are paranormal nor connotes anything about their underlying mechanisms."

I've predicted the future, nothing extraordinary about that! No need to discuss the hated word paranormal. It's not magic, it's a perfectly ordinary occurrence!!!

This guy has been taking obfuscation lessons from Rramjet. Apparently he was valedictorian in Rramjet's Obfuscation for Dummies Workshop.

Edit: Ahahaha, he takes an oblique potshot at ECREE on the bottom of page 2.
 
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"The term psi denotes anomalous processes of information or energy transfer that are currently unexplained in terms of known physical or biological mechanisms. The term is purely descriptive; it neither implies that such phenomena are paranormal nor connotes anything about their underlying mechanisms."

This is actually a fairly good definition of psi that doesn't beg the question.

The interesting thing about Bem's paper is that all the experiments are based on the same hypothesis: time-reversed information flow.

~~ Paul
 
Bem's work is impressive, and this looks to be a more solid demonstration of psi than the ganzfeld. But I do wonder about the lack of a control group. I know this is an old criticism but in a couple of these experiments, the subject is asked which of two mirror images they prefer (this choice is then "influenced" retro-actively by them subliminally seeing the computer's random choice).

But if the image is of, say, a person then the choice isn't random. Am I right in thinking that there was a study done that showed that people preferred pictures of people facing to the right? So the initial choice of the subject isn't random. So those occasions where the computer chooses the rightward option, you can't say “Ah, this is retro-causation making people choose this option” because that's what they've more likely to have chosen anyway. And while you'd expect that to even out to 50% of the time, I'd like to be sure that the experimenters knew about this effect and accounted for it. After all, we're looking at a difference of a couple of percentage points on that particular experiment. It'd be interesting to see how the figures were for those targets which otherwise would have been chosen less frequently.

This is link to an article that nicely summarises Bem's experiments

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...finally-discovered-evidence-psychic-phenomena
 
If it were true that people could indeed foresee future events, could this be explained within a materialistic worldview? What do you think?

(I know that this is probably a dumb question, but I'm very curious about this study. It looks rather solid in my opinion.)
 
My hunch is that time is the joker in the pack. Both these and the pre-sentiment experiments deal with predictions of events in the very near future (less than a second), so perhaps "now" isn't as strictly defined as we think.
 
It will be interesting to see how this is received among psychologists more generally. I agree that parapsychology research would benefit from a broader input from other fields, although I hope that they do not take him up on the proposal to repeat uncontrolled experiments, but rather consider improving the design.

However, even if non-artefactual, these experiments don't seem to have anything to do with what we think of as 'psi'. I realize that psi has now been defined in such a way as to incorporate these results, but it borders on bizarre to claim that the potentially tiny effect of a fuzziness in our perceptions on the order of milliseconds can be presumed to relate to claims of presentiment. It would make more sense to relate these experiments to those of Libet, I think.

Much about the presentation of this selection of experiments is the same as other experiments, so I admit to some tedium on reading through it. But there were several things I found interesting, so far. Bem (finally:)) raises the issue of the actual placement of targets instead of a theoretical randomness when it comes to analysis (as Ersby referred to above). He didn't go so far as to make this a preference in terms of analysis, apply this analysis to all the experiments, or to design experiments which would obviate this effect, but at least he recognized the issue. And one of his analyses even provided a reasonable accommodation for this effect. It did modify the effect by a small amount.

The other part I found interesting was the discussion section titled "The File Drawer". It is interesting to get a glimpse of the much larger collection of data from which this selection was culled, although it does give some hints as to the extent to which statistical assumptions are violated.

However, for much of the experiments, Bem demonstrates that taking many measures and then dividing people into many different groups on the basis of those measures allows you to sometimes find 'statistically significant' differences in between group measures. He 'tests' some alternate explanations for those differences with varying success and leaves it at that. Residual 'unexplained' differences are meant to serve as confirmation of 'anomalous cognition', rather than simply a measure of the limits of his cleverness or of any interest by critics (i.e. the extent to which switching the burden of type I and type II errors helps us arrive at true results). As Ersby mentions, one wonders at the lack of control groups.

Linda
 
I've not read the entire paper, but as for the first experiment color me unimpressed.

So they start with some images. Men test no better than chance. So, those numbers get thrown out. They change images. Men test better than chance. They keep those numbers. Other subgroups test worse than chance. Those numbers get tossed out.

It is trivial, given a large set of results with different possible sub-groupings, to find 'statistically relevant' results. Especially when you ignore non-relevant results and start the test over.

Now, of course that objection can be overcome if with this specific design researchers are able to duplicate the results over and over again. But, color me nonplussed. Things never move forward in PSI research, you always have some new experimental design, with a bunch of subgroups, playing around with the experimental design until you get 'statistically significant' results, at which point you stop, publish, and never revisit that experiment again.


This very paper is an example of that. Instead of all the hand-wringing analysis on how more trials would be good, but they have limited time and budget, on nine separate experiments, how about 9 runs of a single experiment?



And how about that discussion? More splitting into subgroups: proponent vs skeptic; extravert vs intravert. Hand waving away studies that don't replicate the results. Hand waving away the "pilot" studies which showed no effect. Claiming that too long sessions cause the effect to go away out of fatique or boredom (talk about assuming your conclusion). Bringing in quantum mechanics.

edit: sorry Linda, you raised the same points, didn't you?
 
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So let's say it's some sort of retrocausality. Do I need to see and react to the selected target? Or is it sufficient simply to select the target after I make my choice? Let's run one of the experiments without showing the subjects the selected target.

I'm not sure there can be an objection based on the target being displayed quickly after the subject makes her choice. In the first experiment, for example, the subject is staring at two blank curtains and then chooses one of them. Only after that is the target selected and displayed. Presumably there is no way the subject can see the target before making her choice.

~~ Paul
 
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roger said:
I've not read the entire paper, but as for the first experiment color me unimpressed.

So they start with some images. Men test no better than chance. So, those numbers get thrown out. They change images. Men test better than chance. They keep those numbers. Other subgroups test worse than chance. Those numbers get tossed out.
Where are you reading this, roger?

I agree with you that it's rather odd that all the supposedly time-consuming work was spread over many different kinds of experiments.

~~ Paul
 
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Much about the presentation of this selection of experiments is the same as other experiments, so I admit to some tedium on reading through it. But there were several things I found interesting, so far. Bem (finally:)) raises the issue of the actual placement of targets instead of a theoretical randomness when it comes to analysis (as Ersby referred to above). He didn't go so far as to make this a preference in terms of analysis, apply this analysis to all the experiments, or to design experiments which would obviate this effect, but at least he recognized the issue. And one of his analyses even provided a reasonable accommodation for this effect. It did modify the effect by a small amount.

The section you mention talks about the placement of left or right targets (unless there's another bit of the paper I missed), but not of the content of the target itself. There's an article on Google Books which describes what I was talking about...
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...q=Cognitive psychology stephen palmer&f=false
 
Why did they use one-tailed tests? Wouldn't it be just as interesting if the subjects guessed significantly under the expected number?

It's also interesting to note that nonerotic but negative images did not produce any results. I guess the subjects realized that it was the erotic images that were important.

~~ Paul
 
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Say, this would be perfect for an online experiment where you could recruit thousands of people. A little Java applet would do the trick.

~~ Paul
 
Where are you reading this, roger?

I agree with you that it's rather odd that all the supposedly time-consuming work was spread over many different kinds of experiments.

~~ Paul
In our first retroactive experiment (Experiments 5, described below), women showed psi
effects to highly arousing stimuli but men did not. Because this appeared to have arisen from
men’s lower arousal to such stimuli, we introduced different erotic and negative pictures for men
and women in subsequent studies, including this one, using stronger and more explicit images
from Internet sites for the men

page 8
 
I have a couple of earlier papers by Bem actually that looked highly impressive - I will withold comment till I have read this one, but as always I'm happy to look up references for people

cj x
 
roger said:
Ah yes, thanks. I was trying to find where that had been done in experiment 1.

So retrocausality requires that the future event be extremely emotional in order to affect the past event. I love the way he says "Because this appeared to have arisen from men's lower arousal ...". How the heck does he know that?

~~ Paul
 
The section you mention talks about the placement of left or right targets (unless there's another bit of the paper I missed), but not of the content of the target itself. There's an article on Google Books which describes what I was talking about...
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...q=Cognitive psychology stephen palmer&f=false

Weren't you referring to the second experiment?

ETA: Oh, I think you were objecting to "placement of target". That was sloppy wording on my part. I meant all ways in which targets were indicated, whether it was through placement or content or whatever.

Linda
 
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