Memories of God and Creation

Zanders · 25th October 2010, 12:05 PM

I'm not sure whether any of you have heard of this book or not, but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. Through her therapty, she found says that she found consistant stories on the origin of the universe, God, and even "Lucifer. She claims that she did not to ask any leading questions, and even posted manuscripts of sessions. I brought this up in another thread of mine, but I thought that it deserved it's own. Here is a quick review of the book

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Psychiatrist Shakuntala Modi has been in private practice for more than twenty-five years. During her training and in her practice, she realized that “no single treatment worked for every patient.” Despite learning various therapies, she was unable to help certain patients.
She used hypnotherapy when it seemed appropriate, and one day, a patient responded in an unexpected way and regressed into a past life. While under hypnosis, the patient resolved some issues from an earlier life that had created difficulties in her present life. Dr. Modi discovered that other patients had this same ability, and she published her findings in her first book, in 1997.
She has continued to work with patients, and Memories of God and Creation: Remembering from the Subconscious Mind, her third book, presents the startling results of her research.
Dr. Modi and her patients learned that they can not only regress to past lives, they can regress all the way back to when the universe was first formed and they were one with God. Under hypnosis, people have described how souls were created, how angels and masters were formed, and how evil and dark entities developed.
They also describe how souls, while still in Heaven, plan for their earthly lives with the help of teachers and masters. Souls reincarnate on Earth time and time again, always with the purpose of furthering their spiritual growth.
Dr. Modi doesn’t just tell us about all this–she includes dozens of transcripts of what people have said while under hypnosis. Although details may occasionally differ, the accounts are remarkably similar when taken as a whole. Within our subconscious is the memory all everything that has happened in the Universe from the instant it began until the present time.
Memories of God and Creation “answers almost everything we always wanted to know about God and creation, that is, how it happened and why, and everything since then. It is the history of our soul.” It’s a history that will fascinate and enlighten readers

Now here are some links for more descriptions and comments on it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571741968/ref
http://illuminati-news.com/000-spiri...2007/0901.html

I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people.

This view on the origin of life also parallels certain Gnostic concepts, and the whole "bright light" thing mentioned in that last link fits nearly perfectly with Tibetan Buddhist. I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry, . I would greatly appreciate some help to debunk this.

Critique away.

kerikiwi · 25th October 2010, 12:17 PM

First, what she claims is utter rubbish.
Second, I would not believe her claim to have not asked leading questions, and I wouldn't rely on her transcripts: I would only be convinced if I could see a recording of the sessions.
Stop doubting, stop worrying: take the dog for a walk instead.

Giggywig · 25th October 2010, 12:22 PM

Let's say that she did in fact not ask any leading questions. Did all the accounts she receive make it into the book, or only the ones that matched her preferred version?

Craig4 · 25th October 2010, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Zanders

I'm not sure whether any of you have heard of this book or not, but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. Through her therapty, she found says that she found consistant stories on the origin of the universe, God, and even "Lucifer. She claims that she did not to ask any leading questions, and even posted manuscripts of sessions. I brought this up in another thread of mine, but I thought that it deserved it's own. Here is a quick review of the book

Now here are some links for more descriptions and comments on it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571741968/ref
http://illuminati-news.com/000-spiri...2007/0901.html

I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people.

This view on the origin of life also parallels certain Gnostic concepts, and the whole "bright light" thing mentioned in that last link fits nearly perfectly with Tibetan Buddhist. I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry, . I would greatly appreciate some help to debunk this.

Critique away.

First blush is that it's more likely she is suggesting things to the patients causing a similarity in stories. I'd be interested to see unedited transcripts or third party transcripts of the sessions. Near as I can tell, we supposed to take her word for the results. That's not a great experimental control.

I'd want to test this past life regression of the patients. There are some simple things you could do to test them like ask well researched technical questions of people and see if they get the right answer (there are some flaws with this method obviously but you can weed out the blatant frauds).

I'm at a bit of a loss as to the therapeutic nature of these sessions. It's unclear as to how this helps anyone in the here and now. It doesn't seem like the patients are learning coping strategies or coming to terms with actual problems.

Resume · 25th October 2010, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Zanders

I'm not sure whether any of you have heard of this book or not, but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. Through her therapty, she found says that she found consistant stories on the origin of the universe, God, and even "Lucifer. She claims that she did not to ask any leading questions, and even posted manuscripts of sessions. I brought this up in another thread of mine, but I thought that it deserved it's own. Here is a quick review of the book

Now here are some links for more descriptions and comments on it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571741968/ref
http://illuminati-news.com/000-spiri...2007/0901.html

I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people.

This view on the origin of life also parallels certain Gnostic concepts, and the whole "bright light" thing mentioned in that last link fits nearly perfectly with Tibetan Buddhist. I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry, . I would greatly appreciate some help to debunk this.

Critique away.

Leading questions, conformation bias, data-mining.

Untrap yourself with a different hobby;bird-watching for instance would be a better use of your time than this nonsense.

TubbaBlubba · 25th October 2010, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

It doesn't seem like the patients are learning coping strategies or coming to terms with actual problems.

On the other hand, the therapist makes a lot of money.

Olowkow · 25th October 2010, 01:01 PM

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...but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy.

Did I miss it or do I have to buy the book to find out?

Zanders, you will enjoy these folks:
http://www.childpastlives.org/vBulle...ad.php?t=18316

Weak Kitten · 25th October 2010, 01:26 PM

Does anyone ever come out of these past life regression things traumatized by the memory of dying of cholera at the age of 3? Or after finding out that they were a deadbeat who was worked to death in a debtor's prison?

I find it odd that people never seem to gain new skills from their past lives, like being able to read ancient Greek or speak Mandarin. Heck, they never even seem to remember lives in any region they didn't have previous knowledge of in this lifetime. Personally, I'd be trying to remember ancient Indonesia or Africa or something! I would love to know more about those histories.

Apology · 25th October 2010, 01:38 PM

Zanders, I want you to read the following link very closely, and think about how it might affect the issues raised by the author in this book. It's about a type of therapy that involves regressing a person through hypnosis to their childhood in order to recover memories, not of past lives, but of their current lives. Please read this.

Now, if Recovered Memory Therapy (RMT) has been shown to be so false that the therapist who practiced it was successfully sued by a number of her patients, then how likely do you think it is that Past Life Regression is equally faulty? If a hypnotherapist can successfully implant a false memory into an adult of being sexually abused by satanic cults as a child, how hard would it be for a Past Life Regression hypnotherapist to implant memories of former lives? It's essentially the same process, and only the subject is different (current life sexual abuse vs. past lives).

What you need to learn from this author and your research is not that your life is lacking because you aren't following a religious model. What you need to learn from this is that it's very dangerous to allow someone to meddle around in your head, and if/when you choose a therapist, make sure that your therapist is reputable, accredited, and isn't crazier than you are.

If my current therapist (who is reputable, accredited, and well-regarded by two of my M.D.s) suggested that he wanted to do regression hypnotherapy with me, I would respond with a resounding NO and consider finding another therapist.

Hypnotherapy isn't dangerous in and of itself. It can be very useful if you WANT suggestions implanted in your mind. For instance, it's very helpful to some people who are trying to stop smoking or want to lose weight. However, the wrong suggestions can play havoc with your memories and your overall mental health.

Madalch · 25th October 2010, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Zanders

I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people.

She picked subject who had already read her books, and so had the same basis for their imaginings. Or they all went to the same church.

OlegTheBatty · 25th October 2010, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

On the other hand, the therapist makes a lot of money.

That can be a pretty good coping strategy.

Vic Vega · 25th October 2010, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Zanders

I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry.

Step 1: Stop reading about it. It's utter nonsense and on some level you appear to know it.

Step 2: Spend more time here. This is a great place to learn how people get sucked into woo of all kinds and the kind of rational thinking that can allow you to see it for what it really is.

Step 3: If Steps 1 through 2 don't work, see a psychologist. You should not be worrying about this sort of thing. Life is too short and interesting to waste it worrying about make believe.

AncientChild · 25th October 2010, 06:16 PM

My friend, I have been exactly where you are now. First off, I would say that anyone who offers absolute truth, whether based on what people here call 'woo', or based on the rigid empirical construct most here adhere to-- is full of ****.

Edited by LashL:

Edited to properly mask profanity. Please see Rule 10 re: the auto-censor here.

I do recommend that you spend more time looking at other types of information, maybe even put your metaphysical seeking aside completely for awhile. I know from experience that too great an influx of mindbending info at once can be harmful (by causing confusion and distress, as well as bypassing rational judgment). Don't beat up on yourself, everyone needs a break. You may find that wherever you look for enlightenment, the same themes will keep popping up, whether in mythology, psychology, or mainstream science. So don't think of it as 'ignoring' or being wilfully blind to some 'TRUTH'- if the truth is truly true, and your desire for understanding is as strong as it appears to be, you'll find it wherever you look, in one form or another.

AND- don't judge yourself so harshly. If there's one spiritual constant in most religions/belief systems, at least before they become debased mockeries of themselves, it is COMPASSION. So, have a little compassion for yourself, give yourself a break. The Universe/Oversoul/God/Goddess/Ascended Masters, etc. won't mind, trust me. They told me so themselves

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Marduk · 25th October 2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Madalch

She picked subject who had already read her books, and so had the same basis for their imaginings. Or they all went to the same church.

almost spot on, how about they were all educated in the same religion
because of this

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Dr. Modi and her patients learned that they can not only regress to past lives, they can regress all the way back to when the universe was first formed and they were one with God. Under hypnosis, people have described how souls were created, how angels and masters were formed, and how evil and dark entities developed.

Angels didn't exist in monotheism until after the Babylonian exile (538BCE)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
This has been understood and reported since at least the 3rd Century
Christianity which doesn't examine the validity of its Jewish roots doesnt teach this, so no one she hypnotized would know it.

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Daniel is the first biblical figure to refer to individual angels by name. It is therefore widely speculated that Jewish interest in angels developed during the Babylonian captivity. According to Rabbi Simeon ben Lakish of Tiberias (230–270 AD), all the specific names for the angels were brought back by the Jews from Babylon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel#In_Judaism

The idea of ascended Masters also being borrowed from Buddhism didn't exist until the second half of the first millennium BCE, but wasn't reported in the west until the Theosophical movement which formed in 1875 used it as a claimed source for their own baloney, again this belief is only common to Christian apologetic movements and new age bs,

I also found this on her

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psychiatrist Shakuntala Modi uses pioneering hypnotherapy techniques to interview the souls of her chronically ill patients. She discovers quite by accident that the root cause of all their mental and physiological problems in life is due to indwelling demons and earthbound spirit entities which enter the body and permeate the soul due to spiritual apathy, Godlessness and because of sinful lifestyles.

http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/0...in-the-church/
so chronic illness is caused by demons and spirits, anyone want to guess which American university she qualified for psychiatry at ?
she didn't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiwaji_University
It doesn't teach the degree that she claims she achieved there. She works as a psychiatrist yet doesnt have a psychiatry degree either and she works out of a rented office space in West Virginia. She also claims that she qualified as a doctor after she moved to America, you'll notice then that previous to her writing career she claimed to be a psychotherapist, not a psychiatrist and psychotherapists don't need any qualifications to set up in business

so I'm calling shenanigans on this one. I seriously doubt that most of her case studies exist and that she has extrapolated most of them from one or two that sounded similar and is using the term "psychiatrist" solely so she can claim doctor patient confidentiality as an excuse not to name people who don't exist

ExMinister · 25th October 2010, 09:04 PM

Sylvia Browne also did past life regressions on hundreds of people. I personally remember her scheduling them several times a week 20 years ago. She did them herself and she used to say the same thing - that too many people saw exactly the same things and described the afterlife in exactly the same way for it not to be meaningful.

Strangely enough, none of them saw anything even remotely similar to what Modi's patients saw. What they did see was similar to what Sylvia Browne believed they would see, though Browne also claimed not to lead people, even 20 years ago.

For awhile that was one of the reasons I was convinced that Browne's version of the other side had to be real. How could all these people see the same thing?

According to Modi, she looked at the transcripts of sessions of 100 patients, and 92 of them had earthbound spirits that were responsible for their problems. Not one of Browne's patients ever reported having an earthbound spirit. Seventy-seven of Modi's 100 patients had demon spirits. None of Browne's ever did.

But demon possession is not part of Browne's philosophy. She did teach the existence of earthbound spirits and dark entities but according to her they do not actually possess people.

So it is interesting that none of her regression patients reported any sort of demon possession, while most of Modi's patients did, with Modi being someone who was convinced that demon possession is responsible for people's ailments.

Regardless of their claims to the contrary, it seems that the expectations of the person doing the regression DO play a significant role in what the client sees.

Alice Shortcake · 26th October 2010, 05:22 AM

Zanders, I can only echo Vic Vega's comment. If you find this sort of thing troubling STOP GOING IN SEARCH OF IT! Spend a few hours here:

http://skepdic.com/

Zanders · 26th October 2010, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Vic Vega

Step 1: Stop reading about it. It's utter nonsense and on some level you appear to know it.

Step 2: Spend more time here. This is a great place to learn how people get sucked into woo of all kinds and the kind of rational thinking that can allow you to see it for what it really is.

Step 3: If Steps 1 through 2 don't work, see a psychologist. You should not be worrying about this sort of thing. Life is too short and interesting to waste it worrying about make believe.

That is what I am trying to do. Being on here has actually helped me quite a bit so far.

Originally Posted by Marduk

almost spot on, how about they were all educated in the same religion

Well, she claims they were of all sorts of different religions and beliefs, even athesits. What is suspicious about this is what atheists or conservative christians/muslims would go to see a hypnotherapist for past-life regression therapy?

Marduk · 26th October 2010, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Zanders

ThWell, she claims they were of all sorts of different religions and beliefs, even athesits. What is suspicious about this is what atheists or conservative christians/muslims would go to see a hypnotherapist for past-life regression therapy?

She has no qualifications as a hypnotist
she has no qualifications as a psychiatrist

she doesnt need qualifications as a psychotherapist
maybe they went to see her for that,

shes dishonest, I have read quite a few conflicting statements by her checking this out
so really, pinch of salt my friend, pinch of salt

icerat · 28th October 2010, 12:26 AM

hehe, this woman can't be trusted- take my word for it.

Andrew Wiggin · 28th October 2010, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Zanders

the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy.

So she regressed people all the way back to their first existence as a subatomic particle? I guess I prefer the reincarnation woos who at least get to be cleopatra or napoleon. Makes better memoirs too than 'my life as a proton'.

Craig4 · 28th October 2010, 11:50 AM

I'd love to question someone who is being "regressed". This would take about five minutes to debunk.

Zanders · 18th November 2010, 11:57 PM

Something I just thought about. Why should anyone believe that these transcripts of her interviews have any truth to them? They could all be stories to make her look more believable. And even if they are true, we all know how regression therapy goes, you can't do it without "lead in questions", which she claimed to avoid.

And the similarity I found with the Tibetan concept of Bardo means nothing, since she clearly lied about so much else.

Notice how she never turns any of her research in to any scientific institute.

Halfcentaur · 19th November 2010, 12:08 AM

For someone to remember being a particle, there would have to be some kind of mechanism for memory that exists in a particle. How does a system like memory work in something so rudimentary? Memory is not some magical force, it's akin to having a wrist watch that is able to render advanced CGI, there has to be a mechanism for the memory to be sensed and then recorded in some way.

How does one remember things like this, even if memory is preserved in the DNA and able to be unlocked, but things that lack senses and DNA are able to see, record, and imprint? You should only be able to go back so far, if genetic and atomic memory is a real thing.

Gilmar · 19th November 2010, 12:12 AM

Another fun logical problem with this sort of thing is: What would be the result if she did past-life regression therapy on all 6+ billion people on earth? They can't all have multiple past lives, there weren't enough people. There were barely 1 billion people a mere 200 years ago. (Yeah, I know, she could cook the reincarnation books various ways, claim some people were animals or whatever, but it's still an obvious barrier to the notion.)

Halfcentaur · 19th November 2010, 01:33 AM

I recall hearing there are more people alive on Earth today that ever before in all of history.

Zanders · 19th November 2010, 02:43 AM

How to believers in reincarnation explain all of that?

There are a whole lot of holes in the theory. One amusing thing I thought of recently was, what will happen to the souls in cycle after the sun dies or the earth becomes unable to support any life?

I guess they could claim that the cycle could start over, I think there might have been a concept like that somewhere in Hinduism. But it certainly doesn't work with Modi's outline.

dafydd · 19th November 2010, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Vic Vega

Step 1:

Step 2: Spend more time here. This is a great place to learn how people get sucked into woo of all kinds and the kind of rational thinking that can allow you to see it for what it really is.
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Very true.I have been a member for three years now,and as a layman who is interested in science I have learned a lot.

Bikewer · 19th November 2010, 06:42 AM

I once read a particularly amusing take on reincarnation in a book on Wicca, of all things.
The fellow claimed that the ever-increasing human population could be explained by the reincarnation of apes rising to the level of humanity.
This accounted (he speculated) for the "low, animal-like" nature of so many humans....

The fact that even at the time the total population of great apes left alive was only in the thousands did not enter into his musings.....

Wrathernaut · 19th November 2010, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Halfcentaur

I recall hearing there are more people alive on Earth today that ever before in all of history.

All of history you say? I'm pretty sure yesterday's population + the population around 1900 is greater than today's population.

Now, if you figure that 6,000 years ago you started with two people (or however many got off the ark however many years ago), there were then yes, that would probably be right.

Also, snopes disagrees with you.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp

Halfcentaur · 19th November 2010, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Wrathernaut

All of history you say? I'm pretty sure yesterday's population + the population around 1900 is greater than today's population.

Now, if you figure that 6,000 years ago you started with two people (or however many got off the ark however many years ago), there were then yes, that would probably be right.

Also, snopes disagrees with you.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp

You can burn in the pits of hellfire, you.

I wondered what the validity was of that, I'd heard it several times over the years. I'd never bothered to actually check out the numbers for myself.
Thanks a lot for cramming another useless fact into my brain's wet ware.

shandyjan · 19th November 2010, 03:54 PM

Good post Marduk!

Originally Posted by Gilmar

Another fun logical problem with this sort of thing is: What would be the result if she did past-life regression therapy on all 6+ billion people on earth? They can't all have multiple past lives, there weren't enough people. There were barely 1 billion people a mere 200 years ago. (Yeah, I know, she could cook the reincarnation books various ways, claim some people were animals or whatever, but it's still an obvious barrier to the notion.)

So not enough people then, and now too many spirits, we would all be seeing them if they were there! Its funny how you have to believe in them to see them properly, just the same way you convince yourself of things when youre a child but don't know any better!
Souls, spirits, theyre in heaven, they arnt in heaven, its a good thing theyre made up, or it could be chaos!

MrBooglemaumau · 20th November 2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I'd love to question someone who is being "regressed". This would take about five minutes to debunk.

I would like to be present at one of these regression sessions when you question the regressed....dangerous..like hypnosis used to determine sexual abuse .

I Ratant · 20th November 2010, 04:45 PM

One interesting thing about past life regressions how many of these people were famous movers and shakers, and not ordinary grunts and ditch diggers.

Le Jab · 20th November 2010, 05:41 PM

As a practicing hypnotherapist - mainly with sports performers/athletes etc - I am sick to the back teeth of charlatan practicioners. I have messed around with past life regression for a laugh, and that is all it is. Most people recount exciting lives in exciting times - I even had Cleopatra once. Hypnotherapy is on the edge of acceptablilty (and totally abhorrent to some people here I know) but in my opinion has real life applications when used in the right context. This type of guff does nothing to help my cause. To the OP, there is not one shred of verifiable evidence that hypnotherapy can demonstrate the existence of past lives - inc Brian Weiss and his sad brand of quackery.

Zanders · 30th November 2010, 01:56 AM

Just to throw something in, when I mentioned the similarity to the Tibetan concept of "Bardo", I forgot to explain anything. Apparently it was a different thread where I explained it.

On the Illuminati news link, the description of the light that people would either shy away from or enter depending on their spiritual enlightenment sounds a lot like the Tibetan Buddhist concept of "bardo"

http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseof...w%20of%20Death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo

Of course, like I said earlier she has been discredited so much that it doesn't really matter.

TeapotCavalry · 30th November 2010, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I'd love to question someone who is being "regressed".

Careful there. It's a slippery slope from regression to devolution. Next thing you'll know they turn chimp, eat a goat and vaporize into proto-consciousness.

kleinjahr · 30th November 2010, 08:57 AM

I must say that I am consistently amazed by past life regressions or memories. Mostly by how well they speak and understand modern English. Perhaps Professor Higgins is teaching still.
Very well, Cleo, repeat after me, The rain in Spain...

dafydd · 30th November 2010, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

One interesting thing about past life regressions how many of these people were famous movers and shakers, and not ordinary grunts and ditch diggers.

As I pointed out in another thread,the nobodies never seem to reincarnate.

JonWhite · 30th November 2010, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

As I pointed out in another thread,the nobodies never seem to reincarnate.

Not quite so, it often depends on why they do it.

Those who "regress" for fun usually end up as Cleopatra or whoever. Those who do it for "therapeautic" purposes are far more likely to be no-one significant. It is more the attributes relevant to their issues that are important for them and define the character far more than ego led delusions of past-life grandeur and wishful thinking.

Not to say that at best it isn't anything more than an act of creative imagination regardless.

Zanders · 28th December 2010, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by JonWhite

Not quite so, it often depends on why they do it.

Those who "regress" for fun usually end up as Cleopatra or whoever. Those who do it for "therapeautic" purposes are far more likely to be no-one significant. It is more the attributes relevant to their issues that are important for them and define the character far more than ego led delusions of past-life grandeur and wishful thinking.

Not to say that at best it isn't anything more than an act of creative imagination regardless.

I've heard people claim that the therapeutic results are a proof of their authenticity, as illogical as that is.

Switching the subject to past lives and reincarnation, here is an interesting page on "debunking the reincarnation debunkers"

25th October 2010, 12:05 PM	#1
Zanders Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 689	Memories of God and Creation I'm not sure whether any of you have heard of this book or not, but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. Through her therapty, she found says that she found consistant stories on the origin of the universe, God, and even "Lucifer. She claims that she did not to ask any leading questions, and even posted manuscripts of sessions. I brought this up in another thread of mine, but I thought that it deserved it's own. Here is a quick review of the book Quote: Psychiatrist Shakuntala Modi has been in private practice for more than twenty-five years. During her training and in her practice, she realized that “no single treatment worked for every patient.” Despite learning various therapies, she was unable to help certain patients. She used hypnotherapy when it seemed appropriate, and one day, a patient responded in an unexpected way and regressed into a past life. While under hypnosis, the patient resolved some issues from an earlier life that had created difficulties in her present life. Dr. Modi discovered that other patients had this same ability, and she published her findings in her first book, in 1997. She has continued to work with patients, and Memories of God and Creation: Remembering from the Subconscious Mind, her third book, presents the startling results of her research. Dr. Modi and her patients learned that they can not only regress to past lives, they can regress all the way back to when the universe was first formed and they were one with God. Under hypnosis, people have described how souls were created, how angels and masters were formed, and how evil and dark entities developed. They also describe how souls, while still in Heaven, plan for their earthly lives with the help of teachers and masters. Souls reincarnate on Earth time and time again, always with the purpose of furthering their spiritual growth. Dr. Modi doesn’t just tell us about all this–she includes dozens of transcripts of what people have said while under hypnosis. Although details may occasionally differ, the accounts are remarkably similar when taken as a whole. Within our subconscious is the memory all everything that has happened in the Universe from the instant it began until the present time. Memories of God and Creation “answers almost everything we always wanted to know about God and creation, that is, how it happened and why, and everything since then. It is the history of our soul.” It’s a history that will fascinate and enlighten readers Now here are some links for more descriptions and comments on it. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571741968/ref http://illuminati-news.com/000-spiri...2007/0901.html I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people. This view on the origin of life also parallels certain Gnostic concepts, and the whole "bright light" thing mentioned in that last link fits nearly perfectly with Tibetan Buddhist. I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry, . I would greatly appreciate some help to debunk this. Critique away.
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25th October 2010, 12:17 PM	#2
kerikiwi Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,175	First, what she claims is utter rubbish. Second, I would not believe her claim to have not asked leading questions, and I wouldn't rely on her transcripts: I would only be convinced if I could see a recording of the sessions. Stop doubting, stop worrying: take the dog for a walk instead.
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25th October 2010, 12:22 PM	#3
Giggywig Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,851	Let's say that she did in fact not ask any leading questions. Did all the accounts she receive make it into the book, or only the ones that matched her preferred version?
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25th October 2010, 12:29 PM	#6
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,934	Originally Posted by Craig4 It doesn't seem like the patients are learning coping strategies or coming to terms with actual problems. On the other hand, the therapist makes a lot of money.
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25th October 2010, 01:01 PM	#7
Olowkow Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,230	Quote: ...but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. Did I miss it or do I have to buy the book to find out? Zanders, you will enjoy these folks: http://www.childpastlives.org/vBulle...ad.php?t=18316
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25th October 2010, 12:23 PM	#4
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,569	Originally Posted by Zanders I'm not sure whether any of you have heard of this book or not, but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. Through her therapty, she found says that she found consistant stories on the origin of the universe, God, and even "Lucifer. She claims that she did not to ask any leading questions, and even posted manuscripts of sessions. I brought this up in another thread of mine, but I thought that it deserved it's own. Here is a quick review of the book Now here are some links for more descriptions and comments on it. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571741968/ref http://illuminati-news.com/000-spiri...2007/0901.html I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people. This view on the origin of life also parallels certain Gnostic concepts, and the whole "bright light" thing mentioned in that last link fits nearly perfectly with Tibetan Buddhist. I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry, . I would greatly appreciate some help to debunk this. Critique away. First blush is that it's more likely she is suggesting things to the patients causing a similarity in stories. I'd be interested to see unedited transcripts or third party transcripts of the sessions. Near as I can tell, we supposed to take her word for the results. That's not a great experimental control. I'd want to test this past life regression of the patients. There are some simple things you could do to test them like ask well researched technical questions of people and see if they get the right answer (there are some flaws with this method obviously but you can weed out the blatant frauds). I'm at a bit of a loss as to the therapeutic nature of these sessions. It's unclear as to how this helps anyone in the here and now. It doesn't seem like the patients are learning coping strategies or coming to terms with actual problems.

25th October 2010, 12:27 PM	#5
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,751	Originally Posted by Zanders I'm not sure whether any of you have heard of this book or not, but the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. Through her therapty, she found says that she found consistant stories on the origin of the universe, God, and even "Lucifer. She claims that she did not to ask any leading questions, and even posted manuscripts of sessions. I brought this up in another thread of mine, but I thought that it deserved it's own. Here is a quick review of the book Now here are some links for more descriptions and comments on it. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1571741968/ref http://illuminati-news.com/000-spiri...2007/0901.html I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people. This view on the origin of life also parallels certain Gnostic concepts, and the whole "bright light" thing mentioned in that last link fits nearly perfectly with Tibetan Buddhist. I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry, . I would greatly appreciate some help to debunk this. Critique away. Leading questions, conformation bias, data-mining. Untrap yourself with a different hobby;bird-watching for instance would be a better use of your time than this nonsense.

25th October 2010, 01:26 PM	#8
Weak Kitten Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,909	Does anyone ever come out of these past life regression things traumatized by the memory of dying of cholera at the age of 3? Or after finding out that they were a deadbeat who was worked to death in a debtor's prison? I find it odd that people never seem to gain new skills from their past lives, like being able to read ancient Greek or speak Mandarin. Heck, they never even seem to remember lives in any region they didn't have previous knowledge of in this lifetime. Personally, I'd be trying to remember ancient Indonesia or Africa or something! I would love to know more about those histories.

25th October 2010, 01:38 PM	#9
Apology This title intentionally left blank Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,126	Zanders, I want you to read the following link very closely, and think about how it might affect the issues raised by the author in this book. It's about a type of therapy that involves regressing a person through hypnosis to their childhood in order to recover memories, not of past lives, but of their current lives. Please read this. Now, if Recovered Memory Therapy (RMT) has been shown to be so false that the therapist who practiced it was successfully sued by a number of her patients, then how likely do you think it is that Past Life Regression is equally faulty? If a hypnotherapist can successfully implant a false memory into an adult of being sexually abused by satanic cults as a child, how hard would it be for a Past Life Regression hypnotherapist to implant memories of former lives? It's essentially the same process, and only the subject is different (current life sexual abuse vs. past lives). What you need to learn from this author and your research is not that your life is lacking because you aren't following a religious model. What you need to learn from this is that it's very dangerous to allow someone to meddle around in your head, and if/when you choose a therapist, make sure that your therapist is reputable, accredited, and isn't crazier than you are. If my current therapist (who is reputable, accredited, and well-regarded by two of my M.D.s) suggested that he wanted to do regression hypnotherapy with me, I would respond with a resounding NO and consider finding another therapist. Hypnotherapy isn't dangerous in and of itself. It can be very useful if you WANT suggestions implanted in your mind. For instance, it's very helpful to some people who are trying to stop smoking or want to lose weight. However, the wrong suggestions can play havoc with your memories and your overall mental health.

25th October 2010, 01:43 PM	#10
Madalch The Jester Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,763	Originally Posted by Zanders I know this might sound silly, but I find this a little troubling. How did so many people come up with the same thing? I know that hypnotherapy is considered to imagination all in people's heads, but how did so many say the same thing about the same subject? Again, she even has manuscripts of her sessions with the people. She picked subject who had already read her books, and so had the same basis for their imaginings. Or they all went to the same church.
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25th October 2010, 01:47 PM	#11
OlegTheBatty Scholar Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: British Columbia Posts: 67	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba On the other hand, the therapist makes a lot of money. That can be a pretty good coping strategy.

25th October 2010, 03:06 PM	#12
Vic Vega Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,186	Originally Posted by Zanders I have been sort of stuck in this whole spirituality/occult mess for a little over a year now and want out. Stuff like this is keeping me trapped and filling me with doubt and worry. Step 1: Stop reading about it. It's utter nonsense and on some level you appear to know it. Step 2: Spend more time here. This is a great place to learn how people get sucked into woo of all kinds and the kind of rational thinking that can allow you to see it for what it really is. Step 3: If Steps 1 through 2 don't work, see a psychologist. You should not be worrying about this sort of thing. Life is too short and interesting to waste it worrying about make believe.
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25th October 2010, 08:04 PM	#14
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,183	Originally Posted by Madalch She picked subject who had already read her books, and so had the same basis for their imaginings. Or they all went to the same church. almost spot on, how about they were all educated in the same religion because of this Quote: Dr. Modi and her patients learned that they can not only regress to past lives, they can regress all the way back to when the universe was first formed and they were one with God. Under hypnosis, people have described how souls were created, how angels and masters were formed, and how evil and dark entities developed. Angels didn't exist in monotheism until after the Babylonian exile (538BCE) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity This has been understood and reported since at least the 3rd Century Christianity which doesn't examine the validity of its Jewish roots doesnt teach this, so no one she hypnotized would know it. Quote: Daniel is the first biblical figure to refer to individual angels by name. It is therefore widely speculated that Jewish interest in angels developed during the Babylonian captivity. According to Rabbi Simeon ben Lakish of Tiberias (230–270 AD), all the specific names for the angels were brought back by the Jews from Babylon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel#In_Judaism The idea of ascended Masters also being borrowed from Buddhism didn't exist until the second half of the first millennium BCE, but wasn't reported in the west until the Theosophical movement which formed in 1875 used it as a claimed source for their own baloney, again this belief is only common to Christian apologetic movements and new age bs, I also found this on her Quote: psychiatrist Shakuntala Modi uses pioneering hypnotherapy techniques to interview the souls of her chronically ill patients. She discovers quite by accident that the root cause of all their mental and physiological problems in life is due to indwelling demons and earthbound spirit entities which enter the body and permeate the soul due to spiritual apathy, Godlessness and because of sinful lifestyles. http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/0...in-the-church/ so chronic illness is caused by demons and spirits, anyone want to guess which American university she qualified for psychiatry at ? she didn't http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiwaji_University It doesn't teach the degree that she claims she achieved there. She works as a psychiatrist yet doesnt have a psychiatry degree either and she works out of a rented office space in West Virginia. She also claims that she qualified as a doctor after she moved to America, you'll notice then that previous to her writing career she claimed to be a psychotherapist, not a psychiatrist and psychotherapists don't need any qualifications to set up in business so I'm calling shenanigans on this one. I seriously doubt that most of her case studies exist and that she has extrapolated most of them from one or two that sounded similar and is using the term "psychiatrist" solely so she can claim doctor patient confidentiality as an excuse not to name people who don't exist
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25th October 2010, 09:04 PM	#15
ExMinister RSL Acolyte Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,982	Sylvia Browne also did past life regressions on hundreds of people. I personally remember her scheduling them several times a week 20 years ago. She did them herself and she used to say the same thing - that too many people saw exactly the same things and described the afterlife in exactly the same way for it not to be meaningful. Strangely enough, none of them saw anything even remotely similar to what Modi's patients saw. What they did see was similar to what Sylvia Browne believed they would see, though Browne also claimed not to lead people, even 20 years ago. For awhile that was one of the reasons I was convinced that Browne's version of the other side had to be real. How could all these people see the same thing? According to Modi, she looked at the transcripts of sessions of 100 patients, and 92 of them had earthbound spirits that were responsible for their problems. Not one of Browne's patients ever reported having an earthbound spirit. Seventy-seven of Modi's 100 patients had demon spirits. None of Browne's ever did. But demon possession is not part of Browne's philosophy. She did teach the existence of earthbound spirits and dark entities but according to her they do not actually possess people. So it is interesting that none of her regression patients reported any sort of demon possession, while most of Modi's patients did, with Modi being someone who was convinced that demon possession is responsible for people's ailments. Regardless of their claims to the contrary, it seems that the expectations of the person doing the regression DO play a significant role in what the client sees.
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26th October 2010, 05:22 AM	#16
Alice Shortcake Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,134	Zanders, I can only echo Vic Vega's comment. If you find this sort of thing troubling STOP GOING IN SEARCH OF IT! Spend a few hours here: http://skepdic.com/
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26th October 2010, 02:08 PM	#17
Zanders Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 689	Originally Posted by Vic Vega Step 1: Stop reading about it. It's utter nonsense and on some level you appear to know it. Step 2: Spend more time here. This is a great place to learn how people get sucked into woo of all kinds and the kind of rational thinking that can allow you to see it for what it really is. Step 3: If Steps 1 through 2 don't work, see a psychologist. You should not be worrying about this sort of thing. Life is too short and interesting to waste it worrying about make believe. That is what I am trying to do. Being on here has actually helped me quite a bit so far. Originally Posted by Marduk almost spot on, how about they were all educated in the same religion Well, she claims they were of all sorts of different religions and beliefs, even athesits. What is suspicious about this is what atheists or conservative christians/muslims would go to see a hypnotherapist for past-life regression therapy?
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26th October 2010, 02:12 PM	#18
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,183	Originally Posted by Zanders ThWell, she claims they were of all sorts of different religions and beliefs, even athesits. What is suspicious about this is what atheists or conservative christians/muslims would go to see a hypnotherapist for past-life regression therapy? She has no qualifications as a hypnotist she has no qualifications as a psychiatrist she doesnt need qualifications as a psychotherapist maybe they went to see her for that, shes dishonest, I have read quite a few conflicting statements by her checking this out so really, pinch of salt my friend, pinch of salt
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28th October 2010, 12:26 AM	#19
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28th October 2010, 12:53 AM	#20
Andrew Wiggin Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,915	Originally Posted by Zanders the author claims to have found the origin of the universe through hypnotherapy and past-life regression therapy. So she regressed people all the way back to their first existence as a subatomic particle? I guess I prefer the reincarnation woos who at least get to be cleopatra or napoleon. Makes better memoirs too than 'my life as a proton'.
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28th October 2010, 11:50 AM	#21
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,569	I'd love to question someone who is being "regressed". This would take about five minutes to debunk.

18th November 2010, 11:57 PM	#22
Zanders Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 689	Something I just thought about. Why should anyone believe that these transcripts of her interviews have any truth to them? They could all be stories to make her look more believable. And even if they are true, we all know how regression therapy goes, you can't do it without "lead in questions", which she claimed to avoid. And the similarity I found with the Tibetan concept of Bardo means nothing, since she clearly lied about so much else. Notice how she never turns any of her research in to any scientific institute.
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19th November 2010, 12:08 AM	#23
Halfcentaur Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,620	For someone to remember being a particle, there would have to be some kind of mechanism for memory that exists in a particle. How does a system like memory work in something so rudimentary? Memory is not some magical force, it's akin to having a wrist watch that is able to render advanced CGI, there has to be a mechanism for the memory to be sensed and then recorded in some way. How does one remember things like this, even if memory is preserved in the DNA and able to be unlocked, but things that lack senses and DNA are able to see, record, and imprint? You should only be able to go back so far, if genetic and atomic memory is a real thing.
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19th November 2010, 12:12 AM	#24
Gilmar Muse Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 606	Another fun logical problem with this sort of thing is: What would be the result if she did past-life regression therapy on all 6+ billion people on earth? They can't all have multiple past lives, there weren't enough people. There were barely 1 billion people a mere 200 years ago. (Yeah, I know, she could cook the reincarnation books various ways, claim some people were animals or whatever, but it's still an obvious barrier to the notion.)
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19th November 2010, 01:33 AM	#25
Halfcentaur Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,620	I recall hearing there are more people alive on Earth today that ever before in all of history.
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19th November 2010, 02:43 AM	#26
Zanders Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 689	How to believers in reincarnation explain all of that? There are a whole lot of holes in the theory. One amusing thing I thought of recently was, what will happen to the souls in cycle after the sun dies or the earth becomes unable to support any life? I guess they could claim that the cycle could start over, I think there might have been a concept like that somewhere in Hinduism. But it certainly doesn't work with Modi's outline.
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19th November 2010, 05:00 AM	#27
dafydd Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 35,398	Originally Posted by Vic Vega Step 1: Step 2: Spend more time here. This is a great place to learn how people get sucked into woo of all kinds and the kind of rational thinking that can allow you to see it for what it really is. . Very true.I have been a member for three years now,and as a layman who is interested in science I have learned a lot.
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19th November 2010, 06:42 AM	#28
Bikewer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 13,224	I once read a particularly amusing take on reincarnation in a book on Wicca, of all things. The fellow claimed that the ever-increasing human population could be explained by the reincarnation of apes rising to the level of humanity. This accounted (he speculated) for the "low, animal-like" nature of so many humans.... The fact that even at the time the total population of great apes left alive was only in the thousands did not enter into his musings.....

19th November 2010, 06:45 AM	#29
Wrathernaut Thinker Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 243	Originally Posted by Halfcentaur I recall hearing there are more people alive on Earth today that ever before in all of history. All of history you say? I'm pretty sure yesterday's population + the population around 1900 is greater than today's population. Now, if you figure that 6,000 years ago you started with two people (or however many got off the ark however many years ago), there were then yes, that would probably be right. Also, snopes disagrees with you. http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp
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19th November 2010, 06:51 AM	#30
Halfcentaur Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,620	Originally Posted by Wrathernaut All of history you say? I'm pretty sure yesterday's population + the population around 1900 is greater than today's population. Now, if you figure that 6,000 years ago you started with two people (or however many got off the ark however many years ago), there were then yes, that would probably be right. Also, snopes disagrees with you. http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp You can burn in the pits of hellfire, you. I wondered what the validity was of that, I'd heard it several times over the years. I'd never bothered to actually check out the numbers for myself. Thanks a lot for cramming another useless fact into my brain's wet ware.
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19th November 2010, 03:54 PM	#31
shandyjan Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N/W England Posts: 2,122	Good post Marduk! Originally Posted by Gilmar Another fun logical problem with this sort of thing is: What would be the result if she did past-life regression therapy on all 6+ billion people on earth? They can't all have multiple past lives, there weren't enough people. There were barely 1 billion people a mere 200 years ago. (Yeah, I know, she could cook the reincarnation books various ways, claim some people were animals or whatever, but it's still an obvious barrier to the notion.) So not enough people then, and now too many spirits, we would all be seeing them if they were there! Its funny how you have to believe in them to see them properly, just the same way you convince yourself of things when youre a child but don't know any better! Souls, spirits, theyre in heaven, they arnt in heaven, its a good thing theyre made up, or it could be chaos!
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20th November 2010, 03:56 PM	#32
MrBooglemaumau Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 364	Originally Posted by Craig4 I'd love to question someone who is being "regressed". This would take about five minutes to debunk. I would like to be present at one of these regression sessions when you question the regressed....dangerous..like hypnosis used to determine sexual abuse .

20th November 2010, 04:45 PM	#33
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 19,258	One interesting thing about past life regressions how many of these people were famous movers and shakers, and not ordinary grunts and ditch diggers.
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20th November 2010, 05:41 PM	#34
Le Jab Scholar Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 57	As a practicing hypnotherapist - mainly with sports performers/athletes etc - I am sick to the back teeth of charlatan practicioners. I have messed around with past life regression for a laugh, and that is all it is. Most people recount exciting lives in exciting times - I even had Cleopatra once. Hypnotherapy is on the edge of acceptablilty (and totally abhorrent to some people here I know) but in my opinion has real life applications when used in the right context. This type of guff does nothing to help my cause. To the OP, there is not one shred of verifiable evidence that hypnotherapy can demonstrate the existence of past lives - inc Brian Weiss and his sad brand of quackery.
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30th November 2010, 01:56 AM	#35
Zanders Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 689	Just to throw something in, when I mentioned the similarity to the Tibetan concept of "Bardo", I forgot to explain anything. Apparently it was a different thread where I explained it. On the Illuminati news link, the description of the light that people would either shy away from or enter depending on their spiritual enlightenment sounds a lot like the Tibetan Buddhist concept of "bardo" http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseof...w%20of%20Death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo Of course, like I said earlier she has been discredited so much that it doesn't really matter.
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30th November 2010, 04:24 AM	#36
TeapotCavalry Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Estonia Posts: 2,116	Originally Posted by Craig4 I'd love to question someone who is being "regressed". Careful there. It's a slippery slope from regression to devolution. Next thing you'll know they turn chimp, eat a goat and vaporize into proto-consciousness.