Charles Boden
Scholar
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- Oct 10, 2010
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The ideomotor effect and mediumnity
I honestly misinterpreted you all in that I thought there were some serious researchers amongst you, for all I have found in this forum are people hell-bent on just “debunking” anything that might be presented. You will no longer find me at Carol's forum, for I have been very understandably and rightly suspended, though I don't feel I should really be held responsible for all your appalling behaviors. I offered the link to her forum in good faith, and again you all made a shambles of it.
I have not been replying for two main reasons. The first is lack of time, and I am only doing so now because we have the weekend ahead of us. The second is the tremendous regret I have already been feeling for having indicated Carol's forum to you all. There are many people over there whom I hold in great esteem, and who are now extremely upset with me and very rightly so.
As I said, I honestly thought there were more serious researchers amidst you all when I came here, not just “debunkers”. I offered Carol's forum in good faith as a means to attempt to explain many of the various questions that were being fired at me at a speed that I just simply could not keep up with, so I offered it in the thought and hope that it might provide food for thought and reflection. I honestly did not know what to expect when I came here, nor did I expect that you would take such an attitude over there.
My intention was to bring the two “schools of thought” together, and anticipate the inevitable confrontation. If the evidence that is being presented indeed does not hold up to scrutiny, then it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but please try to analyze it all and give it at least that “little shadow of a doubt”when doing so, and don't just discard or sweep under the carpet anything that cannot be explained, as I did feel was being done with me.
I think the one positive aspect of all that we have been debating / examining is that both sides now have a clearer picture of what lies behind each others' understanding and interpretation of the issue and why. I honestly don't know why you all should feel that reincarnation would be such a bad thing. The certainty that we will be with those we love throughout eternity? That “life” is so much more than just this one ephemeral existence? Why would this be a bad thing?
If you want to burn someone at the stake, kindly do it to me and leave the CPL forum alone. Neither you nor I can truly claim that we have the answers to such questions, so why not just consider this and let others retain what beliefs they might have just as you also retain yours?. On my part, the only reason behind doing what I have been doing has been simply the desire to share the concept and that “little message of hope”, and it is within these boundaries that I believe such things should remain – within the field of thoughts and ideas. A “belief” is very much more a simple question of choice than anything else. As I said to you all, the “Spiritual Journey” is always an individual one.
Concerning the Ouija and the ideomotor effect, for what it might be worth the “ideomotor effect” is very much an aspect of mediumnic communications. The Brazilian medium Chico Xavier used the technique of psychography, or “automatic writing”, and if indeed there are means of spiritual communications it is done at the level of the subconscious. The possibility of there having been a spiritual entity present in the room dictating the subconscious ideomotor movements in the episode I have referred to is, I believe, the only and fundamental difference of opinion between us. I certainly don't discard it off hand, in particular based on my own personal experiences.
Although I now have both sides upset at me, I am here to justify and explain the reason behind why I came here and did what I have done, which is for the same reason that I participate in such forums - for no other reason but to instigate a reflection upon the concept of reincarnation, which ,based on my own life experiences and what I have read and heard from others, seems to hold strong indications that it might be true.
It is just food for thought. Nothing more. Nothing less...
My kindest regards to all of you,
Charles
I honestly misinterpreted you all in that I thought there were some serious researchers amongst you, for all I have found in this forum are people hell-bent on just “debunking” anything that might be presented. You will no longer find me at Carol's forum, for I have been very understandably and rightly suspended, though I don't feel I should really be held responsible for all your appalling behaviors. I offered the link to her forum in good faith, and again you all made a shambles of it.
I have not been replying for two main reasons. The first is lack of time, and I am only doing so now because we have the weekend ahead of us. The second is the tremendous regret I have already been feeling for having indicated Carol's forum to you all. There are many people over there whom I hold in great esteem, and who are now extremely upset with me and very rightly so.
As I said, I honestly thought there were more serious researchers amidst you all when I came here, not just “debunkers”. I offered Carol's forum in good faith as a means to attempt to explain many of the various questions that were being fired at me at a speed that I just simply could not keep up with, so I offered it in the thought and hope that it might provide food for thought and reflection. I honestly did not know what to expect when I came here, nor did I expect that you would take such an attitude over there.
My intention was to bring the two “schools of thought” together, and anticipate the inevitable confrontation. If the evidence that is being presented indeed does not hold up to scrutiny, then it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but please try to analyze it all and give it at least that “little shadow of a doubt”when doing so, and don't just discard or sweep under the carpet anything that cannot be explained, as I did feel was being done with me.
I think the one positive aspect of all that we have been debating / examining is that both sides now have a clearer picture of what lies behind each others' understanding and interpretation of the issue and why. I honestly don't know why you all should feel that reincarnation would be such a bad thing. The certainty that we will be with those we love throughout eternity? That “life” is so much more than just this one ephemeral existence? Why would this be a bad thing?
If you want to burn someone at the stake, kindly do it to me and leave the CPL forum alone. Neither you nor I can truly claim that we have the answers to such questions, so why not just consider this and let others retain what beliefs they might have just as you also retain yours?. On my part, the only reason behind doing what I have been doing has been simply the desire to share the concept and that “little message of hope”, and it is within these boundaries that I believe such things should remain – within the field of thoughts and ideas. A “belief” is very much more a simple question of choice than anything else. As I said to you all, the “Spiritual Journey” is always an individual one.
Concerning the Ouija and the ideomotor effect, for what it might be worth the “ideomotor effect” is very much an aspect of mediumnic communications. The Brazilian medium Chico Xavier used the technique of psychography, or “automatic writing”, and if indeed there are means of spiritual communications it is done at the level of the subconscious. The possibility of there having been a spiritual entity present in the room dictating the subconscious ideomotor movements in the episode I have referred to is, I believe, the only and fundamental difference of opinion between us. I certainly don't discard it off hand, in particular based on my own personal experiences.
Although I now have both sides upset at me, I am here to justify and explain the reason behind why I came here and did what I have done, which is for the same reason that I participate in such forums - for no other reason but to instigate a reflection upon the concept of reincarnation, which ,based on my own life experiences and what I have read and heard from others, seems to hold strong indications that it might be true.
It is just food for thought. Nothing more. Nothing less...
My kindest regards to all of you,
Charles
No one is doing anything to the CPL forum. If you don't specify what you mean, you will be pilloried here at JREf. Charles, you just don't know when to quit.
I doubt that we've even shaken your beliefs, because you disregard our links and suggestions. I'd be surprised if you even read our posts at this point.