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Old 24th November 2010, 05:43 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
Short: You have 7 quantum states, the superposition of those states multiplied with the probability to be on each state give you the wave function...
Um, there is a little mre to the wave forms than just using a phi.
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Old 24th November 2010, 05:47 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
I worked 2 years to find a link between spirituality and science, for the wave function....
Well it seems you still haven't explianed it very well, some what are the values of the chakras

Take a whack at some of the variables will you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3...in_a_potential
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Old 24th November 2010, 05:51 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
Read at least a book about chakras...
So you can't explain your ideas, as me beloved mother says
"Well dear if you can't write your ideas clearly, how do you know what you think?"

I was taught composition by me mum, I love her and have great sympathy for all her students.
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Old 24th November 2010, 05:53 AM   #84
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How many bodies do you have?
An almost infinite regression of states depending upon the nature of the defintion of a body. (And how finely you want to parse time.)

Lets play astral tag!
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Old 24th November 2010, 05:56 AM   #85
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When you will die for sure you will realize that you have another body!
Read about OBE!
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Old 24th November 2010, 06:25 AM   #86
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By the way, "link between science and spirituality" gets over 20,000 hits on google. Only some of which appear to be alfa1's sites.
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Wasn't there a singer named Chakra Con?
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Old 24th November 2010, 07:54 AM   #88
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Read at least a book about chakras...
I have -- The entire "Messages from Michael" series, by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro; "Microchakras" by Sri Shyamji Bhatnagar, and a dumpload of literature at "Edgar Cayce's Association for Research and Enlightenment."

Did you know that I can also cast horoscopes, read palms, run a numerological analysis on your name, and perform a Tarot reading?

Did you know that I have had two years of Seminary training?

Did you know that I am an electrical engineer?

Now, please provide evidence that chakras exist. Keep in mind that I am not the only member of JREF that is not easily fooled by technobabble or spiritualist doubletalk. Also keep in mind that your score on the Coker scale is already 46/100...
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Old 24th November 2010, 07:57 AM   #89
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When you will die for sure you will realize that you have another body! Read about OBE!
I have. Out-of-Body Experiances are merely the results of biochemical interactions in the brain as it undergoes anoxia. Only this, and nothing more.

Please provide evidence that chakras exist.
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Old 24th November 2010, 08:20 AM   #90
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Wasn't there a singer named Chakra Con?
I was thinking the little monkey dude from Land of the Lost.
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Old 24th November 2010, 08:34 AM   #91
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Ok.... give the man a million $, he predicted the future.
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Originally Posted by !Kaggen View Post
“Because science will be very complicated, those who will explain with science "Who am I?" will not be able to communicate with the rest of the population!”
Adrian Ferent aka alfa1
See, this is exactly why I asked for a simple English explanation anyone could understand - an explanation with testable claims and predictions.
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Old 24th November 2010, 09:15 AM   #93
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A lot of people are trying hard to link spirituality with science without success!
Are a lot of institutes involved in transdisciplinarity and interdisciplinary study of science and religion
http://www.metanexus.net/Here are more people interested in Transdisciplinarity - References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transdisciplinarity
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Old 24th November 2010, 09:17 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
I worked 2 years to find a link between spirituality and science, for the wave function....
You wasted 1/6th of your life on that gibberish?
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
A lot of people are trying hard to link spirituality with science without success!
Including you.
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
A lot of people are trying hard to link spirituality with science without success!
Are a lot of institutes involved in transdisciplinarity and interdisciplinary study of science and religion
http://www.metanexus.net/Here are more people interested in Transdisciplinarity - References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transdisciplinarity
The first link returned...
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404 - File or directory not found. The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
The second was informative, but generally worthless.

Please provide evidence that chakrae exist.
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This is the link the OP meant to post.
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Oh dearie me - not MORE self-published books. Why can't these people understand that putting something in print doesn't make it true?
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Originally Posted by madurobob View Post
See, this is exactly why I asked for a simple English explanation anyone could understand - an explanation with testable claims and predictions.
Wasn't it Albert Einstein who said "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." ?
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Wasn't it Albert Einstein who said "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"?
Yes.

He also said, "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."

The OP has yet to provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae. Without this, his entire thesis falls apart. He should either provide such evidence, or admit that he can not. The burden of proof is upon him, and we are not obligated to do his research for him.

@alfa1: Please provide valid evidence that chakrae exist.
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The Chinese are very interested in acupuncture:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm

My theory is about chakras and can be extended to the acupuncture points.

I am a WAVE and the wave function is:
|ψ> = c1|Φ1> + c2|Φ2> + c3|Φ3>+ ... + c(n-1)|Φ(n-1)> + cn|Φn>
are n states |Φi > because are n acupuncture points or energy centers.
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
The Chinese are very interested in acupuncture:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm

My theory is about chakras and can be extended to the acupuncture points.

I am a WAVE and the wave function is:
|ψ> = c1|Φ1> + c2|Φ2> + c3|Φ3>+ ... + c(n-1)|Φ(n-1)> + cn|Φn>
are n states |Φi > because are n acupuncture points or energy centers.

Why is it that you are just spouting nonsense without addressing any of the questions and comments in the thread? If you refuse to engage in any sort of discussion, why come here? You already have your blog.
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The Chinese are very interested in acupuncture:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm
Irrelevant to claim. Interest proves nothing.
Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
My theory is about chakras and can be extended to the acupuncture points.
A theory is an hypothesis that is based upon an idea and backed by valid evidence.

Please provide valid evidence that chakrae exist.
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I am a WAVE and the wave function is:
|ψ> = c1|Φ1> + c2|Φ2> + c3|Φ3>+ ... + c(n-1)|Φ(n-1)> + cn|Φn>
are n states |Φi > because are n acupuncture points or energy centers.
Please provide valid evidence that chakrae exist.
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Why is it that you are just spouting nonsense without addressing any of the questions and comments in the thread?
If you repeat a lie often enough and loud enough, someone will eventually believe in it -- just look what this practice has done for Christianity.
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If you refuse to engage in any sort of discussion, why come here? You already have your blog.
Speculation: Maybe his blog isn't getting enough hits?
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For chakras read some Yoga books
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For chakras read some Yoga books
I have. "Asana Pranayama Mudra Bandha (2nd ed.)", by Swami Satyananda Saraswati; "Health, Healing, And Beyond: Yoga And The Living Tradition Of Krishnamacharya", by T. K. V. Desikachar; "Lilias! Yoga Gets Better with Age", by Lilias Folan; and many others. NONE of these "yoga books" presented valid evidence for the existence of chakrae.

Please provide valid evidence that chakrae exist.

(Hint: Assumptions, beliefs, interests, popularity, speculations and testimonials prove nothing.)
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A lot of people are trying hard to link spirituality with science without success!
Are a lot of institutes involved in transdisciplinarity and interdisciplinary study of science and religion
http://www.metanexus.net/Here are more people interested in Transdisciplinarity - References:
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Please provide proof that chakras exist.
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For chakras read some Yoga books
Please provide proof that chakras exist.The books just say they exist,and that is not proof.Do you have any?
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Please provide valid evidence that chakrae exist.
Actually, I'd settle for a nice falsifiable prediction.
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Please provide valid evidence that chakrae exist.
Actually, I'd settle for a nice falsifiable prediction.
Mneh ... I'm a little more hard-line than that, but a solid f/p would certainly be a step in the right direction.
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Mneh ... I'm a little more hard-line than that, but a solid f/p would certainly be a step in the right direction.
Judging from the course this thread has taken so far, and from the sordid history of many, many "I HAVE THE ANSWER" threads, I doubt that either of us is going to get what we asked for.

But hope springs eternal.
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Nothing wrong with hope ... until it inspires inaction (i.e., "I'm hoping to win the lottery, so I'm going to quit my job"). I also hope that alfa1 won't disappoint us, just like all the rest have before him, but I'm not giving up my medical insurance.

@alfa1: Please provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae.
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quarky's single quark hypothesis encompasses spirit and science. But I don't want to hi-jack a perfectly good thread.
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Read at least a book about chakras...
Direct me to the book that presents scientific proof. I know what cakras are supposed to be
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When you will die for sure you will realize that you have another body!
And you obviously know this because you have died and come back? Do you even listen to yourself?!

And seriously, stop avoiding questions? We know what chakras are, we asked if you can prove in any way that they exist.

If you avoid the question one more time you're going to look like a jackass more than you do now.
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The after death possibilities of consciousness are speculation, but so are assured denials of the possibility.
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The after death possibilities of consciousness are speculation, but so are assured denials of the possibility.
Possibility proves nothing.

I believe in an 'afterlife', but belief proves nothing, either.

We will either know that there is an 'afterlife', or we will know nothing at all.
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Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.
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Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.
You realize that using a book concerning an unsubstantiated treatment as evidence for an unsubstantiated idea is kind of . . . not a good idea?
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Originally Posted by alfa1 View Post
Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.

And where do I find credible evidence that acupuncture works? Are you going to direct me to a book on chakras?
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