Mastercard Hacking: Retaliation? Or Manufactured Controversy

INRM · 10th December 2010, 04:59 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/technology/09net.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/r...his-cyber-war/

I wonder if this Mastercard hacking was actually a retaliation for credit card companies and PayPal for cutting off funding to Wikileaks, or is a manufactured controversy by the establishment to lend credence to the argument that

- Wikipedia is dangerous and has criminal supporters
- Hackers have gone out of control and there's a serious cyber-security issue
- We need to monitor the internet, and give more power to censor and control the internet

What are your opinions on the matter?

INRM
"No matter how I die, it was murder"
SNL Parody of Julian Assange

Thunder · 10th December 2010, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

What are your opinions on the matter?

my opinion?

your posts & threads are waaay too paranoid.

Sledge · 10th December 2010, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

I wonder

Yeah, you should stop doing that.

INRM · 10th December 2010, 05:30 PM

I should rephrase the question which I posted at the bottom of the thread asking people what their opinions on the matter were...

How many people disagree strongly with the opinion?
How many people disagree slightly with the opinion?
How many people do not either disagree nor agree with the opinion at all?
How many people agree slightly with the opinion?
How many people disagree strongly with the opinion?

Thunder,

I am well aware of your opinion in particular. While I did ask people their opinions, there are rules against attacking the arguer, and only attacking the argument.

You could just say you disagree with the opinion, for example.

INRM
"No matter how I die, it was murder"
SNL Parody of Julian Assange

AnnoyingPony · 10th December 2010, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/technology/09net.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/r...his-cyber-war/

I wonder if this Mastercard hacking was actually a retaliation for credit card companies and PayPal for cutting off funding to Wikileaks, or is a manufactured controversy by the establishment to lend credence to the argument that

- Wikipedia is dangerous and has criminal supporters
- Hackers have gone out of control and there's a serious cyber-security issue
- We need to monitor the internet, and give more power to censor and control the internet

What are your opinions on the matter?

INRM
"No matter how I die, it was murder"
SNL Parody of Julian Assange

First of all, Wikipedia has nothing to do with Wikileaks.

Secondly, Wikileaks has released sensitive information before, except last time it was about Kenya and they received a medal for it.

Thirdly, I've heard that the Mastercard hacking was done by the Anonymous of 4chan. Anonymous has hacked sites that suppress free speech before, and they are strongly anti-censorship and anti-Scientology, among other things.

I think that Wikileaks is a good thing, myself. Yet somehow, my opinion appears to be the minority one. I think that governments are for the people, by the people. They are not above the people; they do not deserve to keep their information secret. Wikileaks encourages us to question the state and reveals what's really going on the Middle East, two things that I support.

inb4 "Wikileaks iz a-puttin' are troopz in danger"

PhantomWolf · 10th December 2010, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony

I think that Wikileaks is a good thing, myself. Yet somehow, my opinion appears to be the minority one. I think that governments are for the people, by the people. They are not above the people; they do not deserve to keep their information secret. Wikileaks encourages us to question the state and reveals what's really going on the Middle East, two things that I support.

So you believe that there is nothing that a government should be allowed to keep secret from it's enemies?

Puppycow · 11th December 2010, 05:43 AM

I'm mildly amused that conspiracy theorists have all kinds of bizarre theories about Assange. How he works for Israel or the CIA or the Illuminati.

That he is so obviously anti-establishment is taken as evidence that he actually works for the establishment.

Horatius · 11th December 2010, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

I'm mildly amused that conspiracy theorists have all kinds of bizarre theories about Assange. How he works for Israel or the CIA or the Illuminati.

That he is so obviously anti-establishment is taken as evidence that he actually works for the establishment.

As I've said before, they have to hate him, because he shows exactly how full of it they themselves are. If Alex Jones and his ilk were interested in showing the actual nefarious things that governments are getting up to, they'd have been posting wikileaks type information for years.

deeper · 11th December 2010, 10:01 AM

My opinion is, this thread is going nowhere. No evidence has been presented, so people are being asked for their opinion of some baseless speculation. I've no idea why people think they can infer a conspiracy by looking at events from such a distant position, it seems to imply that everything is a potential product of conspiracy, which is a little paranoid in my opinion.

Biscuit · 11th December 2010, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by deeper

My opinion is, this thread is going nowhere. No evidence has been presented, so people are being asked for their opinion of some baseless speculation. I've no idea why people think they can infer a conspiracy by looking at events from such a distant position, it seems to imply that everything is a potential product of conspiracy, which is a little paranoid in my opinion.

Or is that what they want you to think?

Dragonrock · 11th December 2010, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

a manufactured controversy by the establishment

What "establishment"? Are you suggesting that big business all got together and decided to put the world more under their thumb? How did they decide which business was gonna get screwed?

"Sorry Mastercard, it's your turn in the barrel."

sadhatter · 11th December 2010, 01:26 PM

I dread the day the op has one of those farts that are so bad they make the person producing it leave the room. We will get a 15 page + post going on about how the government is tainting his food to try and kill him.

10th December 2010, 04:59 PM	#1
INRM Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,505	Mastercard Hacking: Retaliation? Or Manufactured Controversy http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/technology/09net.html http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/r...his-cyber-war/ I wonder if this Mastercard hacking was actually a retaliation for credit card companies and PayPal for cutting off funding to Wikileaks, or is a manufactured controversy by the establishment to lend credence to the argument that - Wikipedia is dangerous and has criminal supporters - Hackers have gone out of control and there's a serious cyber-security issue - We need to monitor the internet, and give more power to censor and control the internet What are your opinions on the matter? INRM "No matter how I die, it was murder" SNL Parody of Julian Assange
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10th December 2010, 05:02 PM	#2
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 34,918	Originally Posted by INRM What are your opinions on the matter? my opinion? your posts & threads are waaay too paranoid.
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10th December 2010, 05:08 PM	#3
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by INRM I wonder Yeah, you should stop doing that.
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10th December 2010, 05:30 PM	#4
INRM Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,505	I should rephrase the question which I posted at the bottom of the thread asking people what their opinions on the matter were... How many people disagree strongly with the opinion? How many people disagree slightly with the opinion? How many people do not either disagree nor agree with the opinion at all? How many people agree slightly with the opinion? How many people disagree strongly with the opinion? Thunder, I am well aware of your opinion in particular. While I did ask people their opinions, there are rules against attacking the arguer, and only attacking the argument. You could just say you disagree with the opinion, for example. INRM "No matter how I die, it was murder" SNL Parody of Julian Assange
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10th December 2010, 07:17 PM	#6
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,271	Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony I think that Wikileaks is a good thing, myself. Yet somehow, my opinion appears to be the minority one. I think that governments are for the people, by the people. They are not above the people; they do not deserve to keep their information secret. Wikileaks encourages us to question the state and reveals what's really going on the Middle East, two things that I support. So you believe that there is nothing that a government should be allowed to keep secret from it's enemies?
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10th December 2010, 05:31 PM	#5
AnnoyingPony Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 364	Originally Posted by INRM http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/technology/09net.html http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/r...his-cyber-war/ I wonder if this Mastercard hacking was actually a retaliation for credit card companies and PayPal for cutting off funding to Wikileaks, or is a manufactured controversy by the establishment to lend credence to the argument that - Wikipedia is dangerous and has criminal supporters - Hackers have gone out of control and there's a serious cyber-security issue - We need to monitor the internet, and give more power to censor and control the internet What are your opinions on the matter? INRM "No matter how I die, it was murder" SNL Parody of Julian Assange First of all, Wikipedia has nothing to do with Wikileaks. Secondly, Wikileaks has released sensitive information before, except last time it was about Kenya and they received a medal for it. Thirdly, I've heard that the Mastercard hacking was done by the Anonymous of 4chan. Anonymous has hacked sites that suppress free speech before, and they are strongly anti-censorship and anti-Scientology, among other things. I think that Wikileaks is a good thing, myself. Yet somehow, my opinion appears to be the minority one. I think that governments are for the people, by the people. They are not above the people; they do not deserve to keep their information secret. Wikileaks encourages us to question the state and reveals what's really going on the Middle East, two things that I support. inb4 "Wikileaks iz a-puttin' are troopz in danger"

11th December 2010, 05:43 AM	#7
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,727	I'm mildly amused that conspiracy theorists have all kinds of bizarre theories about Assange. How he works for Israel or the CIA or the Illuminati. That he is so obviously anti-establishment is taken as evidence that he actually works for the establishment.
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11th December 2010, 05:49 AM	#8
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,009	Originally Posted by Puppycow I'm mildly amused that conspiracy theorists have all kinds of bizarre theories about Assange. How he works for Israel or the CIA or the Illuminati. That he is so obviously anti-establishment is taken as evidence that he actually works for the establishment. As I've said before, they have to hate him, because he shows exactly how full of it they themselves are. If Alex Jones and his ilk were interested in showing the actual nefarious things that governments are getting up to, they'd have been posting wikileaks type information for years.
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11th December 2010, 10:01 AM	#9
deeper Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 332	My opinion is, this thread is going nowhere. No evidence has been presented, so people are being asked for their opinion of some baseless speculation. I've no idea why people think they can infer a conspiracy by looking at events from such a distant position, it seems to imply that everything is a potential product of conspiracy, which is a little paranoid in my opinion.
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11th December 2010, 10:05 AM	#10
Biscuit Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,929	Originally Posted by deeper My opinion is, this thread is going nowhere. No evidence has been presented, so people are being asked for their opinion of some baseless speculation. I've no idea why people think they can infer a conspiracy by looking at events from such a distant position, it seems to imply that everything is a potential product of conspiracy, which is a little paranoid in my opinion. Or is that what they want you to think?
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11th December 2010, 12:44 PM	#11
Dragonrock Militant Elvisian Tacoist Join Date: May 2002 Location: Emmonak, Alaska Posts: 10,289	Originally Posted by INRM a manufactured controversy by the establishment What "establishment"? Are you suggesting that big business all got together and decided to put the world more under their thumb? How did they decide which business was gonna get screwed? "Sorry Mastercard, it's your turn in the barrel."
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11th December 2010, 01:26 PM	#12
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,694	I dread the day the op has one of those farts that are so bad they make the person producing it leave the room. We will get a 15 page + post going on about how the government is tainting his food to try and kill him.
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