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2nd Open Chemical Physics Editor in Chief Resigns
"...in no way do i agree with its conclusions. In fact i do not even know how the paper's peer reviewing was handled - or if it was reviewed at all. The journal never wanted to disclosed this matter to me...What may be even worse - noone seems to be at the helm of this Journal. Months ago -simply after becoming acquainted with the article you mention, its possible misshandling, etc- i submitted my immediate resignation as editor to the open chemical physics journal."
http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/ Thats not only the 2nd Editor in Chief, but #5 total of people resigning from Bentham due to their non standards. 1. Lucio Frydman 2. Marie Paule Pileni 3.Bambang Parmanto 4. Marc Williams 5. John Furedy |
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Jonesy admitted in the last couple of weeks that one of the "peer reviewers" was a noted truther wackamole and all around crack pot David L. Griscom of the "passengers were in on it" theory.
hilarious! That article was so incompetent, it actually killed the freaking Journal. |
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Had to reread it, but its not exactly what he said.
"I wish to extend a warm welcome to Prof. Griscom to the 9/11 truth-seeking community, as he speaks out in his blog." http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-0...-himself-great Why welcome someone if you know they are already involved? http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...id-griscom.pdf Someone on blogger called him out as to whether or not Jones suggested Griscom as a reviewer and he dodged it. After further prodding Jones got quite indignant, especially after the poster pointed out that they listed Griscom in the acknowledgements of the paper. |
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That might be spot on!
I have asked one of Harrits fellow truthers here in Denmark, whom the two reviewers were and after several attempts he listed Mark Basile and Jeffrey Farrer as the two reviewers. It’s unclear why he mentions these two, either that was his best answer, since Harrit is keeping it a secret, not only from the public, but also from his friends in the truth movement, or he actually knows something on this matter. |
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Agreed. If this is true - note: Conditional statement - then that's just insane. That would go beyond abuse into outright deception about the trustworthiness of the publication process (not that there's not already ample evidence denigrating that already
![]() I would love to hear if there's any confirmation or refutation of this. It's necessary to know more before passing judgement on this specific issue. ------ ETA: Oh, BTW, I did notice that this was not directly from Harrit himself, but from "one of Harrits fellow truthers...". So to be fair, I do want to temper my post with the acknowledgement that this is currently hearsay. Again, we simply need to know more. But that said, the fact that this consideration is even possible, given what we already know of Bentham's practices, that speaks ill of Bentham's reputation, as well as the decisionmaking behind publishing that work with them. |
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I think that he finally realised what implications his “information” would do to Harrits paper and firstly he tried to dodge further questions by implying that any scholar who have read the paper and who endorse it is a peer reviewer, and that was why he mentioned Basile and Farrer. I asked if scholars who have read the paper and who do not endorse it could be considered a peer reviewer, and apparently he thinks that ONLY scholars who agree with the paper can be considered peer reviewers. After that he disappeared from the debate. He is from Harrits inner circle in the Danish truth movement. |
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Niels Harrit: "I do not actually understand why they fire insulates steel structures. It just slows the heating of the steel by one hour. There must be money in it." |
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David L Griscom? He makes up moronic conspiracies, no wonder he was fooled by Jones' fake paper. http://impactglassman.blogspot.com/s...&max-results=3
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That blog is interesting, he says he thinks the Truth Movement are a good thing, but then argues against all the demolition theories. I would say he is a truther on the way out the door
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You may also have noticed that he was rude enough to publish Frydman's private e-mail to him, and not only to refuse when asked to remove it, but to publish Frydman's request. He may be having his doubts, but he certainly hasn't departed from the usual truther level of misplaced arrogance.
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Yea, well I put a comment on his blog and I'll see what he says.
He also still believes WTC7 was a demolition, but it was interesting to hear the debate/discussion between him and Barrett. I may have been too optimistic about him being on the way out, I guess he could just stay in this middle ground. |
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And of course in spite of Jones pimping Griscom and his "paper" a few years ago:
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The thing I find funny / pathetic about this whole episode is this:
For years now (yes, years) anyone with even a modicum of science or attention span has known this paper is total crap. There's been about 500 pages of discussion on this Forum alone, and dozens of reasons why it's nonsense. There's been no serious attempt at replication of results. It's an absolute cipher and has been all along. But now, it's another Truther whose noticed the glaring faults in it. So now, all of a sudden, the other Truthers are finally wising up. I don't know which is worse -- the inherent narcissism of Truthers as a whole, or the fact that it took them this long to understand the paper's flaws even after we've literally shoved it up their noses. |
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Link to the blog post in question, for posterity's sake:
http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/...harrit-et.html Could some kind person post links to the other editors' resignation announcements? I note that Frydman has objected (with good reason) to his private email being published. While it may be embarrassing for him to have been associated with the journal, he has done a good thing by resigning, and the news of said resignation benefits the scientific community. |
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The only reputable source I know of is a danish newspaper:
http://videnskab.dk/content/dk/natur...artikel_om_911 The rest are 9/11 blogger's articles who claim that Marie Pileni Paule was lying about not being an expert because since nanothermite is explosive (cuz Jones says so) she must be lying. |
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Translation from the Danish by one of our commenters here.
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Just for the record, one of the two swedes on the editorial advisory board also resigned when I asked him about the publishing of Harrits paper (I couldn't get in touch with the other swede). According to videnskap.dk, same did Harrits superior at the University, Nils O. Andersen who was on the same board (although he says it had nothing to do with Harrits paper).
But do I understand it correctly, that people mentioned as authors of the paper, were also peer-reviewing them? |
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bump.
Whats the earliest date we have for involvement from Grisom in the truth movement and a source if possible? Also what date was the nano thermite paper published in Bentham? |
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He has a blog piece on January 2007 at http://impactglassman.blogspot.com/2...cs-of-911.html
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He also has a letter in the Jo911S from 2/07. The NT paper was "published" in April of 09 IIRC. A dip on youtube recently tried to tell me that Gris became a truther after reviewing the paper. I of course pointed out Jones was still collecting samples up to 11/07 after Gris was first featured in Jones' "journal". Make it up as you go I guess. He has has been dancing around the fact that the Bentham peer review process was negligible at best.
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Guess what a truther replied to on this youtube video with. The first underlined part is a quote from my comment.
![]() Its amazing how that guy can just lie so easily, but I do wonder if even the claim that Griscom didn't mention thermite before the 911 paper was published is true. Anyone know? |
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A good approach might be to ask Melon if nanothermite is an explosive. I am pretty sure I have seen him say as such; in fact I know he does because he told me the spike in Jones's calorimetry was evidence it is and then I showed him another spike from another study of regular thermite and he just pissed and moaned that he couldn't get access to the whole article even though I provided the citation. Point being, in Gris's Jo9/11S article he supports the demo by explosive hypothesis. If Melon was a rational person he would either have to abandon that NT is an explosive or concede that he was biased ahead of time. But as I am sure cognitive dissonance will kick in, and he will do the cha cha of twoof.
Not to mention Griscom is acknowledged in said paper on none other than alleged nanothermite. Get ready for some hoop jumping! |
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