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Old 5th February 2011, 08:37 PM   #1
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Subquantum Kinetics?

What are the flaws with this theory of Paul A. Laviolette, PH.D. ?



http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/ether.html

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The Transmuting Ether
Subquantum kinetics proposes the existence of a primordial transmuting ether composed of subtle "etheron" particles. These continually react with one another in prescribed manners and also diffuse through space. Potentially, there may be many subquantum reactions taking place in the transmuting ether, but only a few of these may be important for describing the origin of the fields composing the matter and energy of our universe.

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Subquantum Kinetics Predictions
and their Subsequent Verification


http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict2.html







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Old 5th February 2011, 08:42 PM   #2
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What are the flaws with this theory of Paul A. Laviolette, PH.D. ?
No evidence supporting it, no useful predictions that it makes. (His "predictions" are simply reanalyses of existing well-understood phenomena -- e.g., he "predicts" the Hubble red shift.)

"Subquantum kinetics proposes the existence of a primordial transmuting ether composed of subtle "etheron" particles. "

This could just as well be written "Fairie chromodynamics proposes the existence of a primordial philosopher's stone composed of the multicolored wings of pixies."
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Old 5th February 2011, 09:40 PM   #3
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I was going to complain about the lack of equations on the linked website but then I ended up here:

http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBoo...k-Secrets.html

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Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion:
Tesla, UFO's and Classified Aerospace Technology

by Paul A. LaViolette

Bear & Co., Rochester, VT. Now available.
Paperback: 512 pages, ISBN 978-1-59143-078-0, $24.00 USD

To order click here.

A complete investigation of the development and suppression of antigravity and field propulsion technologies

• Reveals the workings of advanced technologies capable of controlling gravity that have thrust-to-power ratios thousands of times greater than the jet engine.

• Recounts the history of how gravity control research first developed and how dozens of major aerospace companies in the 50's were involved in major research effort that eventually became classified.

• Presents new insights into the B-2's highly secret electrogravitic field propulsion system.

• Discloses the existence of Project Skyvault, the highly classified Rocketdyne program that developed craft capable of lofting on invisible beams of microwave energy.

• Shows how devices currently under military development could revolutionize air travel and energy production.

• Shows how NASA participates in a cover-up to block adoption of advanced technologies under military development.

• Explains the physics behind electrogravitic field propulsion technologies.

• Shows evidence of a Navy cover up of Townsend Brown's involvement in the highly secret Philadelphia Experiment.
Paul A. LaViolette a Legend in his own mind?
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Old 5th February 2011, 10:01 PM   #4
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LaViolette papers:


http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+.../0/1/0/all/0/1


The Philadelphia experiment


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment
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Old 5th February 2011, 10:13 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by khan2012 View Post
And the Harry Potter books:

http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-B...6969184&sr=1-1

As long as we're giving pointers to magical fiction, I think HP is better written.
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Old 5th February 2011, 11:13 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by drkitten View Post
And the Harry Potter books:

http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-B...6969184&sr=1-1

As long as we're giving pointers to magical fiction, I think HP is better written.

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Harry-.../dp/0670031534

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Old 6th February 2011, 05:22 AM   #7
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Well this is a really bad sign
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Since the conventional approach must take into account numerous experimental observations...
this too
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In choosing an adequate model to represent subquantum process, subquantum kinetics turns to the macroscopic natural world...
Except the QM world does not behave like the macroscopic one.

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Instead of beginning with physical observations, subquantum kinetics begins by postulating ...
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Old 6th February 2011, 06:58 AM   #8
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I gave it a quick read and it sounds like he could be talking about a Higgs Ocean or a 0-brane.
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Old 6th February 2011, 07:50 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by khan2012 View Post
What are the flaws with this theory of Paul A. Laviolette, PH.D. ?
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Well, this:
http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/ether.html
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Remote viewing of a subatomic particle and its antimatter compliment conducted in 1895 by esoterisists Annie Bessant and Charles Leadbeater. The whirling ether flux, which they saw flowing into and out from the center of the particle matches the predictions of subquantum kinetics.
for instance.

But it's still nice that the antimatter gave a compliment to the subatomic particle.
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Old 7th February 2011, 10:44 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by khan2012 View Post
What are the flaws with this theory of Paul A. Laviolette, PH.D. ?
Well, a few problems have already been pointed out, but the main flaw is that it's a bunch of nonsensical gibberish and not actually a theory at all.
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Old 8th February 2011, 06:52 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by khan2012 View Post
What are the flaws with this theory of Paul A. Laviolette, PH.D. ?



http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/ether.html




Subquantum Kinetics Predictions
and their Subsequent Verification


http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict2.html







...

you are new here and welcome but that question of yours will not get much of an answer but the gibberish rants of the trolls of jref.

Just look at the answers you recieved; that is all the people here are really capable of.

I am immediately turned off on the ether aether either way.

But i will take a look see if you really are interested. Please tell me what you understand of electromagnetism. Entanglement?

Subquantum kinetics is a huge subject. (ie.... kinetics is not the proper description of energy exchange between mass. Because energy is not a speed thing)
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Originally Posted by Bishadi View Post
Subquantum kinetics is a huge subject. (ie.... kinetics is not the proper description of energy exchange between mass. Because energy is not a speed thing)
here is a venue to observe



ScienceDaily (Feb. 7, 2011) — In typical plasmonic devices, electromagnetic waves crowd into tiny metal structures, concentrating energy into nanoscale dimensions. Due to coupling of electronics and photonics in these metal nanostructures, plasmonic devices could be harnessed for high-speed data transmission or ultrafast detector arrays. However, studying plasmonic fields in nanoscale devices presents a real roadblock for scientists, as examining these structures inherently alters their behavior.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0204092203.htm



notice the date


the whole frame of how mass/energy works is changing. Try not to hold onto describing the crazy stuff (cosmological descriptions) but focus on the basic exchanges at the molecular scale between mass and energy (em).

Seeing the Light: Scientists Bring Plasmonic Nanofields Into Focus


unless, you have something specific that you are trying to comprehend, i am not certain of your OP inquiry because i personally have not read your linked material.

But, if you have a specific, i have no problem with assisting you with 'comprehending' what you are seeking.

Forget the trolls who will perhaps try and tell you to learn english or even that you need 'their' education to understand. Let them fools roll off your back like water on a ducks back. if you have specific interests, try to forumlate a question but first try to read a bit on the exchange of energy between mass.

ie... subquantum kinetics (yet with the concept of evidence to support the model versus the physics of the speed driven drivel)
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Old 8th February 2011, 07:39 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Bishadi View Post

I am immediately turned off on the ether aether either way.

But i will take a look see if you really are interested. Please tell me what you understand of electromagnetism. Entanglement?
Uh oh. This could degenerate into the physics crackpot equivalent of a bum fight video.
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Originally Posted by Bishadi View Post
... i personally have not read your linked material.
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... you ... first try to read a bit on the exchange of energy between mass.
Nice!

Originally Posted by Bishadi View Post
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... i have no problem with assisting you with 'comprehending' ...
Note the quotation marks.
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Originally Posted by paiute View Post
Uh oh. This could degenerate into the physics crackpot equivalent of a bum fight video.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

*Settles down to watch*
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Originally Posted by paiute View Post
Uh oh. This could degenerate into the physics crackpot equivalent of a bum fight video.
what do you think the particle-wave duality is?

its like a cock fight (with razor blades on their feet), the 2 teams DO NOT work together!

kind of like chemistry and physics dont mix (relatively speaking)
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Partcles as a result of the confined properties of the waves, there is no real duality. They are waves all the time.
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Partcles as a result of the confined properties of the waves, there is no real duality. They are waves all the time.

that post represents that you dont know the math.

ie.... you apparently dont even know what kinetics even is
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Originally Posted by Bishadi View Post
that post represents that you dont know the math.

ie.... you apparently dont even know what kinetics even is
Um, Bishadi, the waves are waves all the time, they are waves before after and during any interaction.The particle nature is a classical macroscopic view of the interaction of the waveforms. They are energy and they are waves all the time.

Apparently your understanding of physics is lacking, I suppose you think Bose-Einstein condensate doesn't exist? It is a great way of seeing the wave nature of atoms.
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The flaw with the article in the OP: there's no math, just a bunch of woo-woo words.

Anyone coming up with a modern-day physics "theory" had better serve up the math to back it up, otherwise it isn't worth a second glance. I certainly won't be wasting any more time on it.

*yawn*
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Subquantum Kinetics would appear to allow for arbitrary energy values which would for example result in a stream of gamma rays every time you struck a match.
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Subquantum Kinetics would appear to allow for arbitrary energy values which would for example result in a stream of gamma rays every time you struck a match.
Damn, I hate it when that happens!
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Originally Posted by khan2012 View Post
What are the flaws with this theory of Paul A. Laviolette, PH.D. ?



http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/ether.html




Subquantum Kinetics Predictions
and their Subsequent Verification


http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict2.html







...
That there is absolutely no evidence and no mathmatical validation of it would certainly be a start.
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Um, Bishadi, Apparently your understanding of physics is lacking, I suppose you think Bose-Einstein condensate doesn't exist? It is a great way of seeing the wave nature of atoms.
Other than the vaguest ability to spell some of the words correctly (by B.), you hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer there.
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Other than the vaguest ability to spell some of the words correctly (by B.), you hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer there.
Well to be fair Heisenberg's uncertainty principle applies to my spelling as well.
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Why did this thread run out of steam?? I was hoping to see an adequate discussion of subquantum kinetics and specifically of Dr LaViolette's theories.
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Why did this thread run out of steam?? I was hoping to see an adequate discussion of subquantum kinetics and specifically of Dr LaViolette's theories.
Your answer is in the previous posts.
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Why did this thread run out of steam?? I was hoping to see an adequate discussion of subquantum kinetics and specifically of Dr LaViolette's theories.
The adequate discussion had taken place, consistent with the merit and plausibility of the "theory".
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Why did this thread run out of steam?? I was hoping to see an adequate discussion of subquantum kinetics and specifically of Dr LaViolette's theories.
There's not much to discuss. LaViolette appears to be a general-issue pseudophysicist, his theories appear to be general-issue pseudoscience handwaving. He's not even particularly prolific or well-known. His attempts to explain "subquantum kinetics" appear to be limited to a three-part 1985 journal article (the journal's web page says this article has been downloaded six times since 2007) and a self-published 1994 book (the listed "publisher", Starlane Publications, operates out of LaViolette's home address and has "published" nothing but three LaViolette books.)

Unless someone shows up claiming to understand, explain, and defend LaViolette's ideas, what is there to discuss?
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I miss phlogiston.

Maybe I'm old fashioned.

Still, there's some chance of a background field of a Higg's like particle.

Could become the new ether.

(Doesn't explain ecto-plasm, though. Now that's some cool stuff.)
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