gangstalking from a paranoid schizophrenics view

[MinnesotaBrant]

I recently became aware of the term gangstalking and after reading some of it I thought that people were copying the comments I have been making on the internet since 2007 or so. The problem with that is these groups started in 2006 and the first gangstalking posts started about 2003. Let me go though the claims and I admit I have experienced some of these things before I got my diagnosis.

Helicoptors shadowing you. In high school during the Reagan years I did indeed have this happen fairly regularly sometimes so low that I could feel the wind from their propellers. They also sprayed some substances from planes fairly regularly. I attributed this to presence of drug users in the area. As you recall Reagan was pretty paranoid about drugs. I was also getting a socialist paper in high school

sign language. I used to see this in the 90's. People talking to themselves with sign language

The coughing thing they are talking about is something I noticed when I was more psychotic. Just before I went into the hospital back in 2008, I called a number and heard a bunch of coughing, then it said it says here on my screen that you are some kind of pervert.

The flagging thing thing I have seen but only in my own mind I guess. Mainly when I called the police because my wife was having issues the police indicated that I might have something to hide. When psychotic I have felt that people have gone in and cleared out offices and replaced them with actors etc.

What I am getting at is these things are real to me in the sense that I have reported them before. I wonder if someone is using gangstalking to identify people who can controlled through fear etc. I will say that I have been unable to post on the gangstalking sites and it took a few days before I was approved to post here which made me suspicous on your end. Of course there is more but this post is really getting too long anyways

[uk_dave]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

..... but this post is really getting too long anyways

Good thinking. Don't want them able to trace it.

[Dave Rogers]

Let me get this straight: MNBrant, are you saying that you have a current diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia? If so, are you taking medication for it, and does that medication affect the level of your perception of these issues?

Dave

[calebprime]

Let's not pile on. No reason yet to think the OP isn't sincere.

[MinnesotaBrant]

yes I take 4mgs trilifon. I am not too sure what you mean by tracing. I personally feel like I am a controller and thus really dont care if I am tracked. But like you I am a sceptic in my own way. I like to see the evidence. I also have nothing to hide in case you were thinking that.

I am med resistant meaning that I am resistant to most meds. For instance benzos dont make me sleepy, calm, or anything, all I get is negative sypmtoms like shortness of breath, restlessness etc. Haldol has no effect on me to the point where it doesnt even make me drowsy. My psychosis is stress related. The more stress I am under the greater the chances of having an episode. It really doesnt matter what meds I am on or how much. I am taking a very minimum amount of meds and have done so for the past year. I see you read the title but really I am wondering about the phenomona of gangstalking groups. I have been unable to get into one desite meeting the critera of being paranoid schizophrenic.

Heh cocaine doesnt work either. It could probably kill me but I wouldn't get high. About the only thing that works on me is weed so all you ganstalkers out there, you need to figure out a way to ply me with lots of weed if you want to incapacitate me heh. Problem is I don't smoke weed.

[Walter Ego]

I looked into the phenomena of gangstalking a few years ago. While it is a psychological phenomena, a person who believes they are being gangstalked is not necessarily psychotic or a paranoid schizophrenic.

This web page defines it very well. Lynn Stuter, the author, is sympathetic to the "victims" of gangstalking and assumes it's a real phenomena.

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For several days in a row, when doing errands in your car, you consistently come in contact with drivers who tailgate you, cut you off in traffic, or maybe pull out in front of you unexpectedly. Or you go out to get your mail and see someone sitting on a bicycle watching you from a distance. Or maybe you notice a sudden increase in strange cars driving slowly pasd your home. Or you get the feeling you are being followed but don’t see anyone there. Or you find garbage strewn on your lawn or piles of dirt where dirt shouldn’t be. Or you return to your home and notice that pictures or knick knacks aren’t where they were when you left.

Is this all just coincidental or is there something more to it? You might even wonder if you just have an over-active imagination or if maybe you’ve slipped a few cogs upstairs.

[MinnesotaBrant]

The problem with the claims I am reading is how do these people know they are actually being gangstalked in reality. For instance I felt that people were spreading rumours about me back in 93 and in fact I was fired but I had no evidence of people actually spreading rumours. I was recently fired from my job and I felt I was workplace mobbed. I remember correcting one coworker and hear him mutter your the one who supposed to be crazy. I have heard costs of these activities and they run into the millions and involve hundreds of people but that is only heard in my head. It would be odd that a activity that is supposedly this prevalent wouldnt have anybody that talked. I suppose it could involve drugs and suggestibility or even some kind of electronic device causing psychosis. I have heard in my head that they have some kind of device that causes the subject to feel guilt but that they don't actually know what the person is thinking. I suppose they just wait for the person to go to the police and confess. Once again this is all conjecture from things I hear in my head.

The main concern I have is not my psychosis but what these groups are being used for. It is funny that I cannot get into them despite being diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic. That does seem to be what they are looking for.

It could be that they are not interested in me because I have a touch of maschochistic tendancies and thus do not react properly to adversive stimuli. It tends to encourge meh.

I will say that the white dust from my pill bottle appeared to have been cleaned out when I got back from the psych ward but hey I was really nuts then so I might have imagined it.

[LightinDarkness]

OP the "gang stalking" phenomena is simply what happens when those with mental illness get internet access. They begin posting their fantasies online and begin collaborating with each other to create an entire self-reinforcing mythology. Think about the amount of money it would take to gangstalk even 1% of the people that claim they are victims - we'd already be spending hundreds of billions to do things like "clear out entire offices and replace them with actors." And for what? Thats what gangstalking believers don't seem to understand - what is the point of all this? If there a massive conspiracy against you, why not just kill you or use the dark cabal to get you locked up for life instead of engaging in these elaborate multi-billion dollar schemes?

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

The problem with the claims I am reading is how do these people know they are actually being gangstalked in reality. For instance I felt that people were spreading rumours about me back in 93 and in fact I was fired but I had no evidence of people actually spreading rumours. I was recently fired from my job and I felt I was workplace mobbed. I remember correcting one coworker and hear him mutter your the one who supposed to be crazy. I have heard costs of these activities and they run into the millions and involve hundreds of people but that is only heard in my head. It would be odd that a activity that is supposedly this prevalent wouldnt have anybody that talked. I suppose it could involve drugs and suggestibility or even some kind of electronic device causing psychosis. I have heard in my head that they have some kind of device that causes the subject to feel guilt but that they don't actually know what the person is thinking. I suppose they just wait for the person to go to the police and confess. Once again this is all conjecture from things I hear in my head.

The main concern I have is not my psychosis but what these groups are being used for. It is funny that I cannot get into them despite being diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic. That does seem to be what they are looking for.

It could be that they are not interested in me because I have a touch of maschochistic tendancies and thus do not react properly to adversive stimuli. It tends to encourge meh.

I will say that the white dust from my pill bottle appeared to have been cleaned out when I got back from the psych ward but hey I was really nuts then so I might have imagined it.

Carefully consider the evidence you've cited here:

(1) Depending on the state you could be fired for just about anything, including no reason at all. There need not be gang stalkers spreading rumors about you to fire you.
(2) If you think you've been "workplace mobbed" because you heard someone mutter "your supposed to be the crazy one" then it sounds like mental illness discrimination, not gang stalking. It doesn't take gang stalkers to discriminate against the mentally ill. That doesn't make what they did right, but it does mean they weren't part of a conspiracy against you.
(3) Why do you think "what you've heard in your head" would be a reliable source of information on gang stalking instead of the symptoms of a mental illness?
(4) You cannot get "into these groups" because they do not exist.

[MinnesotaBrant]

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Hmm I do see they have pedo lists out there that aren't public knowledge and that people with offenses other than sex crimes find their names in them but most of them have been cleaned up. I dont find my name on any of these lists but who knows what other lists are out there? As far as I recall I haven't ever been arrested for a crime but have associated with a few shady characters in my life. I would be interested in meeting someone with access to law enforcement lists especially someone with access to sealed or closed lists. I am wondering if my name is on there. I do know that assiociating with a known gang member puts you on a list in my state for about 10 years and I associated with one for a couple weeks

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Once again I am not interested in turning this into a discussion of my mental illness.

The main interest I have in police lists is that one of my alleged stalkers was a police cadet with members of his family who served in the police. I will also say that my friend, who has a son in the CIA, told me that his son stopped talking to him after he was involved in a fatal car accident that was his fault. There are obviously lists but how pervasive they are is not yet known to me.

[sadhatter]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Hmm I do see they have pedo lists out there that aren't public knowledge and that people with offenses other than sex crimes find their names in them but most of them have been cleaned up. I dont find my name on any of these lists but who knows what other lists are out there? As far as I recall I haven't ever been arrested for a crime but have associated with a few shady characters in my life. I would be interested in meeting someone with access to law enforcement lists especially someone with access to sealed or closed lists. I am wondering if my name is on there. I do know that assiociating with a known gang member puts you on a list in my state for about 10 years and I associated with one for a couple weeks

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Once again I am not interested in turning this into a discussion of my mental illness.

The main interest I have in police lists is that one of my alleged stalkers was a police cadet with members of his family who served in the police. I will also say that my friend, who has a son in the CIA, told me that his son stopped talking to him after he was involved in a fatal car accident that was his fault. There are obviously lists but how pervasive they are is not yet known to me.

The problem is when your issue is schizophrenia and the phenomenon in discussion is one that would indicate one is schizophrenic you cannot , not mention your mental condition it is a key piece of evidence as to why this would seem legitimate to you.

It would be like if i were to claim that the government is slipping drugs into the water supply that makes people tear out their own hair, in order to make these people less attractive, so they do not breed. But then completely disregard that there is a real disorder in which people are compelled to pull out their own hair. You cannot simply ignore a massive piece of evidence because it would make your story make more sense.

[Sledge]

Yes, most people who've been in fatal car accidents stop talking to everyone.

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Why would the number of monthly hits (which may not even be from distinct users - it could be 100 people who access the website a 710 times each month) be any evidence of the truthfulness or accuracy of a website? I can find moon-landing denial sites that have all sorts of hits but that doesn't give any credibility to the claim that we didn't go to the moon.

[MinnesotaBrant]

Originally Posted by Sledge

Yes, most people who've been in fatal car accidents stop talking to everyone.

I like how you said most people. _Grammer nazi with a gun avatar. (Sounds kinda repulsive you know). Yes, some people, involved in fatal accidents, do not survive. However, this person, having hit someone else, survived, and was not injured. It was not funny plus it was off topic. Do not try to out troll me as this is impossible as I probably invented trolling. I say probably, as I have no evidence to confirm this.

[MinnesotaBrant]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Why would the number of monthly hits (which may not even be from distinct users - it could be 100 people who access the website a 710 times each month) be any evidence of the truthfulness or accuracy of a website? I can find moon-landing denial sites that have all sorts of hits but that doesn't give any credibility to the claim that we didn't go to the moon.

Ah no, they have gangwatcher meetings scheduled on their websites. I am not too sure what that has to do with the moon. Wow thats really off topic. I seem to be bringing in the fringe trolls. I really don't know the size of the membership list since the groups seem to be secretive as well as the people running them. I am wondering if it is some cult looking for suggestible people. The movie the Manchurian Candidate seems to be referenced alot. Maybe they are looking for people who fit the profile.

[MinnesotaBrant]

Originally Posted by sadhatter

The problem is when your issue is schizophrenia and the phenomenon in discussion is one that would indicate one is schizophrenic you cannot , not mention your mental condition it is a key piece of evidence as to why this would seem legitimate to you.

It would be like if i were to claim that the government is slipping drugs into the water supply that makes people tear out their own hair, in order to make these people less attractive, so they do not breed. But then completely disregard that there is a real disorder in which people are compelled to pull out their own hair. You cannot simply ignore a massive piece of evidence because it would make your story make more sense.

Huh, that sounds like trolling once again. I didn't mention hair pulling or drugs. I do not have a story to tell. I am looking for information. I do not take drugs except for trilifon or metformin. Attacking my credibility is merely an ad hominem attack. I am fishing for facts not looking for trolls with who attack me personally.

[MinnesotaBrant]

Look if you want to refute my claims do so with facts not with ad hominem attacks. Your name is not Socrates. heh

wow did all the trolls find me with the telepathy tag? There seems to be a pattern. Either that or you three comment on everything that goes through here. hah

[Sledge]

Ok, so it's pretty clear how this will work. Anyone and anything not supporting the claim that a mysterious organisation dedicated to mildly inconveniencing the mentally ill exists is trolling. Do I have that right?

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

Ah no, they have gangwatcher meetings scheduled on their websites. I am not too sure what that has to do with the moon. Wow thats really off topic. I seem to be bringing in the fringe trolls. I really don't know the size of the membership list since the groups seem to be secretive as well as the people running them. I am wondering if it is some cult looking for suggestible people. The movie the Manchurian Candidate seems to be referenced alot. Maybe they are looking for people who fit the profile.

There's really nothing surprising about this. There are a lot of people in the world with schizophrenia, and by its nature, it is a condition that causes people to tend to resist treatment.


http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm

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The Prevalance Rate for schizophrenia is approximately 1.1% of the population over the age of 18 (source: NIMH) or, in other words, at any one time as many as 51 million people worldwide suffer from schizophrenia, including;

* 6 to 12 million people in China (a rough estimate based on the population)
* 4.3 to 8.7 million people in India (a rough estimate based on the population)
* 2.2 million people in USA
* 285,000 people in Australia
* Over 280,000 people in Canada
* Over 250,000 diagnosed cases in Britain

If even 10% of the US population with schizophrenia decide to look online for others who have "experienced the same thing", they'll find over 200,000 people. Even if it's only 1%, that's still 20,000 people.

This forum, the JREF forum, has 2,972 active members, according to the numbers at the bottom of this page:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...forumindex.php


and it produces enough traffic that it's basically impossible to keep up with it all.

It really doesn't take that many people to produce a community with lots of activity. Given that this is a very common mental condition, and internet forums aren't that hard to set up, the existence of such forums really aren't evidence for any real phenomenon.

[carlitos]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Hi MNBrant and welcome to the forum.

There won't be any evidence supplied for gangstalking here, because there simply is no such thing. It's a phenomenon that only exists in people's heads. I re-read your opening post and I thought that maybe you understood this, but now you seem to be looking for lists. There are no lists because there are no stalkers.

Does the above make sense?

Respectfully, may I ask why you tagged this with telepathy and "psion?" Thanks.

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Yeah see that is not how this works. Its not up to me to provide evidence that something doesn't exist. Its up to you to provide evidence that something does exist. The reason for that is because I cannot prove a false entity doesn't exist. I can no more prove unicorns are not real than I can prove gang stalking is not real, because both are fictional.

Originally Posted by MNBrant

Hmm I do see they have pedo lists out there that aren't public knowledge and that people with offenses other than sex crimes find their names in them but most of them have been cleaned up. I dont find my name on any of these lists but who knows what other lists are out there?

To be honest, your beginning to loose touch with reality at this point in your post. Pedo lists? Are you talking about state kept lists of registered sex offended (pedophiles)? Thats not gang stalking, thats a government kept list of people known to have sexually abused children. You wouldn't be on that list unless you happen to..sexually abuse children.

Originally Posted by MNBrant

As far as I recall I haven't ever been arrested for a crime but have associated with a few shady characters in my life. I would be interested in meeting someone with access to law enforcement lists especially someone with access to sealed or closed lists. I am wondering if my name is on there. I do know that assiociating with a known gang member puts you on a list in my state for about 10 years and I associated with one for a couple weeks

Again, this sounds delusional...

Originally Posted by MNBrant

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Argument ad populam. The Harry Potter website gets about 2 million hits a month, that doesn't mean Harry Potter is real.

Originally Posted by MNBrant

Once again I am not interested in turning this into a discussion of my mental illness.

But I'm going to keep turning it back into that, because thats what gang stalking is: a symptom of mental illness. Its not real.

Originally Posted by MNBrant

The main interest I have in police lists is that one of my alleged stalkers was a police cadet with members of his family who served in the police. I will also say that my friend, who has a son in the CIA, told me that his son stopped talking to him after he was involved in a fatal car accident that was his fault. There are obviously lists but how pervasive they are is not yet known to me.

But as your alleged stalkers are not really stalking you, it doesn't really matter.

[KDLarsen]

Deja vu?

I'm fairly someone has brought up the whole Gangstalking thing before on JREF.

[MinnesotaBrant]

No actually you got lots of evidence of gangstalking here on this site. There are lots and lots of links. If you actually click on those links you will find places where people like to keep lists and information about where they keep lists. Its all on the internet acutally. The gang list I talked about was mentioned in the star tribune about a year ago and was kept by the police, 10 years for someone associating with a gang member. The list is kept secret so you can't know if you are on the list or not.

I think you are all missing the point here. Your belief is not required by me and I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. If you don't have information to add please dont spam this post.

As far as my mental condition affecting my credibility you have no proof of that as you don't know me or much about my mental condition. I assume the people posting here are not doctors of medicine and thus don't have more credibility on the subject that I do. I am not going to address any more ad hominem attacks since it seems to be encouraging you for some reason.

I suppose all that could mean is that sceptics don't normally read the news.

Sceptics are a fun bunch. I have taken events straight from the days news and commented on them prefacing it with I am a schizophrenic and had them argue extendedly that there was no proof to the claim until someone else came up and posted that it was in the news. I have seen an interesting youtube video that claims that scepticism is the result of too low a level of dopamine in the brain and is actually a mental condition simular to schizophrenia. Ok now I am trolling but you asked for it. I might have to make a new posting or something.

[carlitos]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

No actually you got lots of evidence of gangstalking here on this site. There are lots and lots of links. If you actually click on those links you will find places where people like to keep lists and information about where they keep lists. Its all on the internet acutally. The gang list I talked about was mentioned in the star tribune about a year ago and was kept by the police, 10 years for someone associating with a gang member. The list is kept secret so you can't know if you are on the list or not.

"Gang stalking" doesn't have anything to do with gangs. You are conflating 2 different things - 1) a delusion held by mostly schizophrenics and 2) a police list of known gang members and associates. #2 is real. #1 is not.

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I think you are all missing the point here. Your belief is not required by me and I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. If you don't have information to add please dont spam this post.

No one is "spamming" anything here. 90% of the responses have been serious and respectful.

(per your request, ignoring the stuff about your mental condition)

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I suppose all that could mean is that sceptics don't normally read the news.

There hasn't been any news about gang stalking. You haven't posted any, and there hasn't been any. What are you talking about?

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Sceptics are a fun bunch. I have taken events straight from the days news

What events?
What day's news?

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and commented on them prefacing it with I am a schizophrenic and had them argue extendedly that there was no proof to the claim until someone else came up and posted that it was in the news. I have seen an interesting youtube video that claims that scepticism is the result of too low a level of dopamine in the brain and is actually a mental condition simular to schizophrenia. Ok now I am trolling but you asked for it. I might have to make a new posting or something.

OK, then.

[MinnesotaBrant]

well that was awhile ago. I guess I my isp is no longer blocked. Its somewhere on shifted perspectives a psion website. I might go ahead and do it again on another site that attracts sceptics like some of the paranormal sites and post the results here for ***** and giggles. Of course I will only post it if I get a live one as it would be too boring to post someone who actually responded.

As far as the rest of your post its all just fluff. It may mean alot to you but doesnt mean much to me.

I never studied logic but saying that gangstalking doesnt exist because gangs are real sounds like circular logic. In fact about a dozen ad hominem bells went off in my head regarding the last 10 posts but I dont have the interest in identifying them and am actually getting ready to go walk 10 miles to go to a movie.

Once again, if you want to do research to prove or disprove the subject post here. If you want to use personal attacks to spam the post please don't post. You will never be the last poster here I promise since I am on the computer alot. Yes I said alot.

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by MNBrant

Ah no, they have gangwatcher meetings scheduled on their websites. I am not too sure what that has to do with the moon. Wow that's really off topic. I seem to be bringing in the fringe trolls.

Goodbye.

I have no idea if you are a sick person who really is having trouble perceiving reality. If you are, then I wish you success in finding a useful treatment. Science is making great strides in medicines for treating mental illness, so please stay in touch with your doctor.

If you are here just to play games, then I do hope you find a better hobby. This one is embarrassingly sad.

[jargon buster]

calebprime wrote

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Let's not pile on. No reason yet to think the OP isn't sincere.

MNBrant wrote

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Do not try to out troll me as this is impossible as I probably invented trolling. I say probably, as I have no evidence to confirm this.

I vote pile on

[JLord]

I have spoken to lots of gangstalking victims in my line of work. It is one of my favorite topics and I'm happy to see another thread on the topic come up here. I'll be following this one.

One of the things I usually ask gang stalking victims is what proof they have of their claims. If people were systematically harassing me all the time it would be very easy for me to get proof. But then what if the stalking is so subtle that you can't prove it? Well then I wouldn't care. If the stalking was such that it was not even noticable within normal society then go ahead and stalk me all you want. I have yet to see anyone produce any evidence suggesting that they are being gangstalked.

[deeper]

MNbrant, what do you think the goal of the people orchestrating the gangstalking is and what is your explanation as to why it would take place over such an extended period of time, what is it accomplishing?

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Deja vu?

I'm fairly someone has brought up the whole Gangstalking thing before on JREF.

We get a handful of "I've been gangstalked!" posts per year, and almost all of them are from people who suffer from a variety of mental illnesses looking to show us that they really are being gangstalked.

[carlitos]

Since the OP has a 20-mile round trip walk interrupted by a feature film , could anyone enlighten me as to the "psion" tag? I googled and found a durable PC manufacturer. Is this a gangstalking word? Is telepathy?

[LightinDarkness]

Oh, and by the way, you can't ignore the fact that someone self-professes to be a paranoid schizophrenic when discussing "gang stalking." Part of being a rational thinker is considering what might explain what the OP thinks is going on, and that gang stalking is scientifically known to be a delusion shared by paranoid schizophrenics is not something we can simply ignore.

[Sledge]

I think this was the last decent gangstalking thread we had. We got as far as unsubstantiated allegations that the Stasi used the same techniques before that thread ended.

[Macgyver1968]

Originally Posted by carlitos

Since the OP has a 20-mile round trip walk interrupted by a feature film , could anyone enlighten me as to the "psion" tag? I googled and found a durable PC manufacturer. Is this a gangstalking word? Is telepathy?

I was curious myself...I searched "psion gangstalking" and came across this post..presumably by our OP

http://www.psionguild.org/forums/showthread.php?p=61379

I guess it's short for psionics.

[Sledge]

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I could go do the Youtube thing which is not as tightly controlled. Is this a scam? For what purpose?

Good grief.

[calebprime]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

calebprime wrote


MNBrant wrote


I vote pile on

Nah, he was just feeling put upon, and was trying to think of a comeback. I don't think he's trolling. However, that doesn't mean that there really are low-flying helicopters spraying things.

[GrouchoMarxist]

Originally Posted by calebprime

Nah, he was just feeling put upon, and was trying to think of a comeback. I don't think he's trolling. However, that doesn't mean that there really are low-flying helicopters spraying things.

Doesn't mean there aren't though.

[MatildaGage]

I am sorry to hear you are resistant to meds. That must be awful. I hope some day there will be a cure. (( ))

http://www.psionguild.org/forums/faq...dfaq#faq_pgfaq

^Oh my.

These groups that aren't letting you join--maybe they are paranoid that you are one of the stalkers & that's why they're hesitant. Or maybe they're not checking their email. Lots of possible explanations.

It sounds like you are not sure if this gangstalking thing is really happening to you or not.

Rumors at work--that happens to everyone.

You are talking about stalkers keeping lists. I don't get why that's stalking or harmful?

[MinnesotaBrant]

I was going to post the facebook like stumbleupon site that someone put up with my name and my picture but they apparently removed it. They got the state wrong though. I never lived in colorado. I will move on to the evidence then right from your own site. On the pedo posting there is a link (actually they wont let me post a link because I have not posted enough.) a link is here though if you really are interested in the pedo posting) I am going to pull up a pedo profile at random and ask the sceptics how they know all of this? I actually really love the sceptics trust me!

Keep in mind that before 97 they were making profiles like this for anyone accused of a sex crime which includes bad language and public urination etc. It is unclear whether they are still keeping lists on people who spit on streets or otherwise flout authority but it seems likely.
Most of these are apparently kept in police files under the heading public safety. I have been to one of these sites but its locked with a password. It states that its a forum for law enforcement and concerned citizens. I could find it and link it again if I still am interested in the topic tommorrow or the next day if I am not busy.

Ok here is the bio I pulled from this site. Its not what you think. I actually havent read much of this but this is what is published as absolute fact. Let me know what you think. Ask yourself how much time and money went into getting into the head of this alleged pedo

Once again I am interested in any closed or sealed police records with my name or at least who would have access to such records. Like I said I have never been approached by police for anything but have known a few lowlifes in my days on this earth.

xxx is a pedophile who is also the co-founder of xxx and xxx, along with partner xxx. He is also a member of several other xxx sites, including xxx, xxx and xxx. (There are alot of websites named. I don't want to check out any of them for obvious reasons and I suggest you do the same)


As an activist, he has stated that believes that the government should have no place in determining age of consent laws. xxx is a heavy equipment operator who grew up in xxx with his Father and an older brother. It is not known if there are any other siblings, but he has publicly shared that his Mother left when he was 4 years old. He states that he's been around the construction industry since he was a toddler, and has worked in just about every aspect of that industry. He left xxx sometime this year to move to xxx, supposedly to take on a construction job there, as there were few job available in his area.


He is out to his family and says that although his Dad took it hard in the beginning, he has learned to accept him for who he is. In addition to being out to his family, John states that there is a younger individual "out there" who knows too, but he wouldn't go into details on the message board. (There are message boards where people share these things apparently) Presumably, it is the young boy seen in the picture to the right of this article, holding the "XXX" t-shirt above his head. (I wasn't on the site long enough to tell you if there was a real boy holding a shirt there.


XXX has shared that he was 13 years old when he became involved in a relationship with a 25 year old man. He says that he does not regret the relationship and that he initiated it himself, claiming to be "ready" for it when it happened. His adult friend was killed in a car accident when XXX was 17 years old. One of XXX hobbies is to write poetry, some of which is about this man, lamenting the past they shared before his death.


XXX AoA is 12-18, but says he appreciates all boys from ages 8 and up. He has a punk fetish and says that he likes boys who have a punk haircut or a Mohawk. XXX has also said that he loves blonds. He states he has done volunteer work at a summer camp program, in which he would assist in taking kids out for camping and backpacking.

I am not interested in the penny ante stuff I am more interested in the stuff three levels higher and I am not likely to get it here. I have been lead to believe it exists but dont have any information on it to share. Troll on then you people!

oh yeah for the reasonable reply. I think that people who think they are on lists feel they are harrassed by people viewing these lists. Think for instance how irritating it would be if someone was constantly making snide comments about you and to you at work and when you went to confront them they said that they didn't know what you were talking about. Now multiply that a few times and you have a pattern. Someone who didn't know what was happening might think they were the one who was crazy and go to a psychiatrist who told them they were indeed sick. This actually is true doctors sometimes tell you are sick when you are not in order to make money off of you. It is however unethical to say the least. At least you get the idea. I am not advocating the gangstalkers but they are saying that it is happening on an order of magnitude much higher than that. I am wondering what the purpose of herding these people who are prone to believing in this into secret groups. For instance the purpose might be to have them run errands or whatnot. I am not sure exactly

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So you've come to this forum asking people to show you confidential police files?

Good luck with that.