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Old 30th April 2011, 06:33 AM   #1
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Colby Quote "The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."

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‘ "The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--Former CIA Director William Colby ‘

Chronology:
1) William Colby CIA Director 1973-1976.
2) Colby dies April 1996.
3) Quote first appears in David McGowan’s 2000 book “Derailing Democracy”, Common Courage Press, 4 years after Colby’s death.
4) April 2011 Google search Of Colby’s quote results in 423,000 hits

A. Did Colby say that quote?
1) There is no primary source or other earlier source extant but McGowan’s for this quote.
2) The quote appears prominently in his introduction (p13) , with no first source attribution.
3) Over 200 other quotes are cited in this book with first source attribution, but not Colby’s.
4) In this book another McGowan unattributed quote (p33), of Lincoln, is a lie.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.asp
5) A search of McGowan’s conspiracist web site does not result in any mention of this Colby's quote. He avoids bringing up his most referenced Colby citation.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

The preponderance of the evidence shows the Colby quote is a lie and that those who repeat it as true, after knowing the provenance, are frauds.

B. Does the CIA or Government own the MSM?
1) The CIA didn’t own The New York Times when they published the Pentagon Papers.
2) The CIA didn’t own the Time, The New York Times, The Washington Post when they published the Watergate Break-in and Scandal.
3) The CIA didn’t own the Washington Star, New York Times when they published the Tuskegee Experiment scandal.
4) The CIA didn’t own Rolling Stone when they published Woodward and Bernstein’s CIA/journalists Cold War connections article.
5) The CIA didn’t own The New York Times when they published the Iran-Contra Affair
6) The CIA didn’t own the Main Stream Media when they published Nixon’s Secret Bombing of Cambodia, My Lai Massacre, CIA involvement in Bay of Pigs Invasion, 9/11 government incompetence.

Some journalism Pulitzer winners and finalists:
1) " Pulitzer Prize awarded to Dana Priest of The Washington Post for her persistent, painstaking reports on secret "black site" prisons and other controversial features of the government's counter-terrorism campaign."
2) "2005 Dana Priest The Washington Post. For her determined, deeply sourced and insightful coverage of United States intelligence operations."
3) "2004 Barton Gellman The Washington Post For his authoritative and provocative coverage of the search for forbidden weapons in Iraq."

The preponderance of the evidence shows that neither the CIA nor government own the MSM.

ETA:
C. Does the control of the MSM by the government explain "foreknowledge", the lack of coverage and journalist's disdain for the Conspiracists' 9/11 claims?

Quote:
WTCBuilding #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
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7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY
….. Network television broadcasts contain announcements of the collapse at least as 23 minutes before the event.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

No. The proportion of the evidence alone convinces journalists that 9/11 Conspiracist claims are contradictory, false, incomplete, and lack integration.
The government doesn't own the media.
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Old 30th April 2011, 06:38 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by BasqueArch View Post
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The preponderance of the evidence shows that neither the CIA nor government own the MSM.
Cool.
Wrong subforum?
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The government control of the MSM is accused by Conspiracists to explain the lack of sympathetic 9/11 Truther exposure
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Old 30th April 2011, 06:53 AM   #4
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The government control of the MSM is accused by Conspiracists to explain the lack of sympathetic 9/11 Truther exposure
Right, but I guess not only that. Would fly better in the General CT subforum, dontcha think?
Anyway, I really dig this kind of research I am often hunting things that Einstein allegedly said, but don't sound like him.
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Old 30th April 2011, 07:07 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Right, but I guess not only that. Would fly better in the General CT subforum, dontcha think?
Anyway, I really dig this kind of research I am often hunting things that Einstein allegedly said, but don't sound like him.
Right. The smell test backed by research.
Added ETA above to explain 9/11 MSM conspiracy connection.
Besides all my buddies and stinkers are here. I'll leave that up to the mod.
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Originally Posted by BasqueArch View Post
Right. The smell test backed by research.
Added ETA above to explain 9/11 MSM conspiracy connection.
Besides all my buddies and stinkers are here. I'll leave that up to the mod.

Nicely done regardless of where it ends up. Thanks.
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Old 1st May 2011, 01:29 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by BasqueArch View Post
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‘ "The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--Former CIA Director William Colby ‘

Chronology:
1) William Colby CIA Director 1973-1976.
2) Colby dies April 1996.
3) Quote first appears in David McGowan’s 2000 book “Derailing Democracy”, Common Courage Press, 4 years after Colby’s death.
4) April 2011 Google search Of Colby’s quote results in 423,000 hits

A. Did Colby say that quote?
1) There is no primary source or other earlier source extant but McGowan’s for this quote.
2) The quote appears prominently in his introduction (p13) , with no first source attribution.
3) Over 200 other quotes are cited in this book with first source attribution, but not Colby’s.
4) In this book another McGowan unattributed quote (p33), of Lincoln, is a lie.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.asp
5) A search of McGowan’s conspiracist web site does not result in any mention of this Colby's quote. He avoids bringing up his most referenced Colby citation.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

The preponderance of the evidence shows the Colby quote is a lie and that those who repeat it as true, after knowing the provenance, are frauds.

B. Does the CIA or Government own the MSM?
1) The CIA didn’t own The New York Times when they published the Pentagon Papers.
2) The CIA didn’t own the Time, The New York Times, The Washington Post when they published the Watergate Break-in and Scandal.
3) The CIA didn’t own the Washington Star, New York Times when they published the Tuskegee Experiment scandal.
4) The CIA didn’t own Rolling Stone when they published Woodward and Bernstein’s CIA/journalists Cold War connections article.
5) The CIA didn’t own The New York Times when they published the Iran-Contra Affair
6) The CIA didn’t own the Main Stream Media when they published Nixon’s Secret Bombing of Cambodia, My Lai Massacre, CIA involvement in Bay of Pigs Invasion, 9/11 government incompetence.

Some journalism Pulitzer winners and finalists:
1) " Pulitzer Prize awarded to Dana Priest of The Washington Post for her persistent, painstaking reports on secret "black site" prisons and other controversial features of the government's counter-terrorism campaign."
2) "2005 Dana Priest The Washington Post. For her determined, deeply sourced and insightful coverage of United States intelligence operations."
3) "2004 Barton Gellman The Washington Post For his authoritative and provocative coverage of the search for forbidden weapons in Iraq."

The preponderance of the evidence shows that neither the CIA nor government own the MSM.

ETA:
C. Does the control of the MSM by the government explain "foreknowledge", the lack of coverage and journalist's disdain for the Conspiracists' 9/11 claims?

http://www.ae911truth.org/

No. The proportion of the evidence alone convinces journalists that 9/11 Conspiracist claims are contradictory, false, incomplete, and lack integration.
The government doesn't own the media.
Great post BA.

I find it hilarious people supposedly searching for the truth are so often caught lying through their teeth.
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Old 1st May 2011, 07:13 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Great post BA.

I find it hilarious people supposedly searching for the truth are so often caught lying through their teeth.

That’s a full lie. As in AE911T, half lies such as presenting the collapse of WTC7 beginning 7 seconds after the start of the east penthouse collapse and playing the video without sound are half lies. Comparing videos of CD buildings and WTC1,2 collapses without sound are half lies.

In the mind of the Believer the political ends justify the lying means.
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Competent (def): having suitable or sufficient skill, knowledge, experience, etc., for some purpose; properly qualified.

Other Believer errors are the result of incompetence and ignorance. E.g. a theologian disputing experienced structural engineers analysis without a commensurate level of engineering proof.
“The massive core columns--the most significant structural feature of the buildings, whose very existence is denied in the official 9/11 Commission Report--were severed into uniform 30 foot sections, just right for the 30-foot trucks used to remove them quickly before a real investigation could transpire.”-D.R. Griffin

In the mind of the Believer the political ends justify the ignorant incompetent means.
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The preponderance of the evidence shows that neither the CIA nor government own the MSM.
A nice example of how skepticism works. Examine all the evidence to provisionally accept or reject a proposition.

Well done.
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That was pretty damn fine BA.

May I have permission to copy and paste when necessary?
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
That was pretty damn fine BA.

May I have permission to copy and paste when necessary?
Thanks.
Sure, go ahead.
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Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler View Post
A nice example of how skepticism works. Examine all the evidence to provisionally accept or reject a proposition.

Well done.
Thanks
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Thanks.
Sure, go ahead.
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The preponderance of the evidence shows the Colby quote is a lie and that those who repeat it as true, after knowing the provenance, are frauds.
The preponderance of evidence shows that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives of some kind, too.

Your "preponderance of evidence" is neither a preponderance nor does it appear to debunk anything. It raises a question only. Even the Snopes citation on the Lincoln quote is unsourced.

It's not a big deal. It just needs to be pointed out here, quite frequently it would seem, that much of so-called 9/11 debunkery, isn't.
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I wouldn't be so quick to spam unsourced bee-dunkery, abaddon. Or, well, go ahead. The results can be amusing.
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The preponderance of evidence shows that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives of some kind, too.

....
You think opinions are evidence.

Ergo beedunked here. I suggest ergo take a physics course and learn how to find evidence.

Ergo's list of evidence, the preponderance of evidence, the big list.
1.

End of list. Wow

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Even if the U.S. media was controlled by the CIA, there's still all the media in all the many other countries. So the CIA would have to have control over media globally. Doesn't sound very likely to me.
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The preponderance of evidence shows that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives of some kind, too.
If there's such a "preponderance" (when, in reality, not a grain of sand from the entire evidential beach exists), get crackin' with the front-page, above-the-fold revelations! What's taking you so long?!
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‘ "The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--Former CIA Director William Colby ‘

Chronology:
1) William Colby CIA Director 1973-1976.
2) Colby dies April 1996.
3) Quote first appears in David McGowan’s 2000 book “Derailing Democracy”, Common Courage Press, 4 years after Colby’s death.
How did you determine the book was the original source of the quote?


Some sources claim it appeared in Berstein's Rolling Stone article but it appears on the journalist's site and the quote is not in it.

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Great post BA.

I find it hilarious people supposedly searching for the truth are so often caught lying through their teeth.
thanks

How do these people live with themselves.
Apparently, Truthers are so full of Truth that they can squander large amounts of it and still consider themselves Truthful.
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i bought the book Derailing Democracy a few weeks ago because people were asking about this quote. the quote is on page 13.
take it up with the author.
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Hey great! Could you please look at page 13 and tell us - how did the author source that quote? Is there a footnote?
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i bought the book Derailing Democracy a few weeks ago because people were asking about this quote. the quote is on page 13.
take it up with the author.

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"So what if the Colby quote is a lie. Sometimes you have to Lie in order to persuade people to believe the Truth. What's wrong with that."
Not surprising.
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Hey great! Could you please look at page 13 and tell us - how did the author source that quote? Is there a footnote?
Bumping for Senenmut, since he's now trolling another thread.
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I confess as a Brit I am not entirely certain of the division of responsibilities between different branches of the US government, but why would the CIA be controlling the US media? Surely the equally-eeeevil FBI should be the one responsible, leaving the CIA to subvert the overseas media?

Or is the CIA so thoroughly despicable it overlooks the internal/external allocation?

(and just to be clear, no I am not being serious and, yes, this is a joke)
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Originally Posted by ergo View Post
The preponderance of evidence shows that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives of some kind, too.

Your "preponderance of evidence" is neither a preponderance nor does it appear to debunk anything. It raises a question only. Even the Snopes citation on the Lincoln quote is unsourced.

It's not a big deal. It just needs to be pointed out here, quite frequently it would seem, that much of so-called 9/11 debunkery, isn't.
If that were true there would be explosive residue in the debris. Find some.
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If that were true there would be explosive residue in the debris. Find some.
You're replying to 9 month old off-topic trolling efforts. Please note the thread topic.
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Bumping for Senenmut, since he's now trolling another thread.
As far as I can tell, the Colby quote is not only not proven to have happened, it is flat out wrong. There is however a great overview of how intertwined the CIA had been with the media at : http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php. Basically, the CIA used reporters as cover, or had agents using media outlets for cover. Certainly not ownership of the media from what I see, however a possible source for the mistaken quote.
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"So what if the Colby quote is a lie. Sometimes you have to Lie in order to persuade people to believe the Truth. What's wrong with that."

Pious frauds are still frauds.
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No US government agency 'owns' the media. If the government told them what to do, they'd do the opposite out of pure indignation. The media is complicit in a more tacit way: I recommend reading Manufacturing Consent (Chomsky) to get a better idea.

None of this helps Truthers or their delusions. The scoop provided by genuine evidence of Bush administration complicity in 9/11 would have been huge.
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Maybe Colby (or whoever just made up the quote and ascribed it to Colby) mean that the CIA "owns" the media, as in, is so much cooler than the media. The more up-to-date way of saying it would be that the CIA pwns the media. And that's completely correct!

"Who's the coolest guy here?"
"I'm a reporter."
"I'm a CIA agent."
"OMG! Pwned!"

See?

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