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Merged Obama as senator: both parents must be Americans for a presidential candidate

JoeTheJuggler said:
Where to start with this nonsensical sentence?

First, the Obama campaign fully complied with the law in providing evidence of his eligibility to be president. So you're wrong in claiming otherwise. This is not a matter of opinion or interpretation or spin. You're just wrong.

Second, you're wrong in claiming the birth certificate Obama provided two years ago did not specify that he was born in Hawaii. There is no such thing as what you claim--a Hawaiian certificate of live birth that "registers" in Hawaii a birth that took place somewhere else. This is just a Birther fiction.


Aren't you at all embarrassed by saying something like this?

You know full well that the Obama campaign provided evidence of his eligibility to be president before the election.

You also know that ALL the evidence points to Obama having been born in Hawaii. The "evidence" to the contrary has ALL proven to be bunk. There is, in fact, zero evidence to the contrary. All of the facts are consistent with Obama having been born in Hawaii and being legally eligible to be president.
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Well, Obama signed off on legislation saying that both parents must be American citizens. Clearly then, by his own standards, he is ineligible.
 
randman said:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292901

So Obama as senator said you could not be president unless both parents were American citizens.....interesting how the MSM media didn't report this.
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Very few members here at JREF trust a word that the WND has to say. I'm surprised you are so easily taken in by a very poor source of information. Are you serious?
By the way, I believe you posted this in the wrong thread.
 
I couldn't even find it in the World Nitwit Daily article that you linked to how that bill could have harmed Obama in the least, aside from making sure that nobody questioned the citizenship or eligibility of the dithering old white geezer running against him.
 
randman said:
Well, Obama signed off on legislation saying that both parents must be American citizens. Clearly then, by his own standards, he is ineligible.
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And this is more spun-to-absurdity from wnd.com.

Senate Resolution 511 was a resolution that recognized that John McCain is a "natural born citizen".

Here is the entire text of this resolution:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/text

It's just one short page.

Nothing in it at all about any requirement that both parents have to be U.S. citizens.

[ETA: Here's the nearest thing to that: "Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it". This most definitely does not say that Obama or anyone else thinks that both parents have to be citizens for a person to be a natural born citizen.

Furthermore, the video falsely claims that the resolution defines the requirements to be a natural born citizen. It most certainly does not.]

Really, don't you feel ashamed of the things you're posting? Haven't you learned yet that WND.COM is not a reliable source for anything?
 
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randman said:
This is pretty funny. Obama cosponsored a bill saying both parents must be US citizens in order for someone to qualify to be president.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292901
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As I said in the other thread you posted this in, there are two choices here.
You either dont even read the "evidence" you post which would make you incredibly ignorant, or you are totally dishonest and dont expect us to read them which would make you both a liar and stupid. Which option is it?
 
randman said:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292901

So Obama as senator said you could not be president unless both parents were American citizens.....interesting how the MSM media didn't report this.
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Did you bother reading the resolution? Because it doesn't mean/say what you think it does.

The phrase:

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;
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Does not require that both parents be citizens. Unless, of course, this also means that only children born to Military members are citizens. Actually, what this phrase serves to do is limit the scope of the resolution (not legally binding, by the way) to children with at least one parent in the Military (either that or it requires that both parents be in the Military, pretty sure you don't want this phrase to mean that...or maybe you do).

And the phrase:

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936
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doesn't have anything to do with requiring both parents to be American citizens. This phrase is merely the inclusion of evidence that since McCain's parents were US citizens on a Military installation (therefore, at least one of his parents was in the Military) abroad at the time he was born, this resolution with regards to children born overseas to Military members applies to him (as is lined out in the very next line of the resolution).


ETA: In fact, strictly speaking, the resolution only applies to John McCain's eligibility to run for Pres. We know this because the only binding part of this legislation is the "resolved" line. Which doesn't resolve that both parents must be citizens. It simply resolves that McCain is a natural born citizen despite being born overseas for the reasons laid out in the resolution. That's it. The premises for the conclusion of this resolution only apply to children born to military members overseas, which includes John McCain, but not Obama or the millions of other natural born American citizens.
 
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randman said:
So Obama as senator said you could not be president unless both parents were American citizens...
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The above statement is a lie.

Senate Resolution 511 absolutely and certainly does not say you cannot be a president unless both your parents were "American [sic] citizens" (or even U.S. citizens!)

You are a liar.
 
randman said:
This is pretty funny. Obama cosponsored a bill saying both parents must be US citizens in order for someone to qualify to be president.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292901
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It's funny that you believe anything WND.COM says, even lies as outlandish as this one.

Senate Resolution 511 does not say anything like what you claim. Nor does it establish the requirements to be a natural born citizen.

And you've repeated this lie several times now. Just repeating it won't make it true. It's still a lie.
 
leftysergeant said:
I couldn't even find it in the World Nitwit Daily article that you linked to how that bill could have harmed Obama in the least, aside from making sure that nobody questioned the citizenship or eligibility of the dithering old white geezer running against him.
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You have to watch the embedded YouTube video to see where Randman was getting this particular lie from.
 
(copied from my post in the birth certificate release thread):

Did you bother reading the resolution? Because it doesn't mean/say what you think it does.

The phrase:

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;
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Does not require that both parents be citizens. Unless, of course, this also means that only children born to Military members are citizens. Actually, what this phrase serves to do is limit the scope of the resolution (not legally binding, by the way) to children with at least one parent in the Military (either that or it requires that both parents be in the Military, pretty sure you don't want this phrase to mean that...or maybe you do).

And the phrase:

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936
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doesn't have anything to do with requiring both parents to be American citizens. This phrase is merely the inclusion of evidence that since McCain's parents were US citizens on a Military installation (therefore, at least one of his parents was in the Military) abroad at the time he was born, this resolution with regards to children born overseas to Military members applies to him (as is lined out in the very next line of the resolution).


In fact, strictly speaking, the resolution only applies to John McCain's eligibility to run for Pres. We know this because the only binding part of this legislation is the "resolved" line. Which doesn't resolve that both parents must be citizens. It simply resolves that McCain is a natural born citizen despite being born overseas for the reasons laid out in the resolution. That's it. The premises for the conclusion of this resolution only apply to children born to military members overseas, which includes John McCain, but not Obama or the millions of other natural born American citizens.
 
Leahy's statement was specific on the issue of U.S. parents.

"Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen. I recently asked Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, a former federal judge, if he had any doubts in his mind. He did not," he said then.

The video cited Vattel's The Law of Nations, writings from which the U.S. Founders drew both ideas and definitions. There, "natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens," according to Book 1, Chapter 19, Paragraph 212
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Read more: Obama's McCain resolution demands 'American' parents http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292901#ixzz1L4kvnBfE
 
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