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Yeah sure. But it's okay to require the less healthy children to get the vaccine.
Isn't likely that the less healthy 60% of the children would be more susceptible to negative reactions when given vaccines? Shouldn't the threshold of requiring vaccines be that they are at least as healthy as the study group? Maybe the less healthy 60% of the children are more prone to be stricken with autism. What is that, some sort of upside down control group policy? We're not allowing 60% of the children participate in the study because it make the results worse? Would allowing only the healthiest 50% participate in the survey make the results worse? Would allowing only the healthiest 60% participate in the survey make the results worse? Would allowing only the healthiest 70% participate in the survey make the results worse? Would allowing only the healthiest 80% participate in the survey make the results worse? Would allowing only the healthiest 90% participate in the survey make the results worse? I wonder at which threshold the instances of negative responses might begin spiking? I wonder if parents are ever informed that their children, when getting a vaccine, are not healthy enough to participate in a vaccine study? |
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Me: So what you're saying is that, if the load carrying ability of the lower structure is reduced to the point where it can no longer support the load above it, it will collapse without a jolt, right? Tony Szamboti: That is right |
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After the trial is over and the vaccine is approved for use.
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[quote=Tolls;7175006]Also ignoring the fact that the Sweden study:
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Understand that parents noticed their children had a negative reaction to the MMR vaccine prior to Wakefield/1998. And that it likely took many, many parents NOTICING long before 1998 to make Wakefield become concerned enough to take on a study of a possible connection between MMR and autism. |
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Ummm. So? Stupid people trying to find something to blame got their wish via a corrupt study. The parents were in no way being scientific, they just latched onto something to blame besides their own genetics.
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I'm not going to play semantic games with you.
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Ith a conthpiwathy!!!
Courtesy of a DaVinci Code-style NWO/illuminati conspiracy website and Fox News. |
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(1) Because autism is most commonly first detected at about the same age that MMR vaccination is delivered, leading to a false association, and,
(2) Because multiple statistical studies have shown no significant difference in the prevalence of autism between populations who have and have not received the MMR vaccination. In case you need clarification, (1) is why parents make the connection, and (2) is what proves them incorrect. Mind you, since I haven't been calling anybody names, maybe you weren't asking me. Dave |
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Me: So what you're saying is that, if the load carrying ability of the lower structure is reduced to the point where it can no longer support the load above it, it will collapse without a jolt, right? Tony Szamboti: That is right |
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[quote=Clayton Moore;7175946]
First you cherry pick by ignoring the Sweden and Danish studies (both larger than Wakefield, and the latter by several orders of magnitude), then you cherry pick that quote.
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See? Or, put another way, a study of 500,000 trumps a study involving 12. |
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And these parents determined that it was the vaccine and nothing else ... how? . . Yes, that's exactly what we are saying. One notes that you continue to run from your gaff about thimerosal in MMR vaccine, and what happened to autism rates after the former was removed altogether... . |
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But you were complaining about vaccines causing Autism in children, and 'poisoning our children'. I went on the assumption that most reasonable would make: that I was referring to vaccines made for children, not cancer vaccines, h1n1 vaccines, influenza vaccines that are meant for adults.
I'm sorry your attempt at pwnage fell flat but don't try to salvage it with a batch of micro-pedantic nitpicking. |
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To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. Woo's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by aliens. |
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You're exactly correct.
ge·net·ics (j-ntks) n. 1. (used with a sing. verb) The branch of biology that deals with heredity, especially the mechanisms of hereditary transmission and the variation of inherited characteristics among similar or related organisms. 2. (used with a pl. verb) The genetic constitution of an individual, group, or class. lin·e·age 1 (ln-j) n. 1. a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. [Middle English linage, lineage, from Old French lignage, from ligne, line; see line1.] |
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...0&postcount=63
It was about vaccines and profits, not vaccines for children and profits. |
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Then why has the MMR jab and Wakefield been such a center of your attention. I haven't heard you bemoaning the HPV virus. All you do is mash all vaccine makers into a pile to make them seem somehow obscenely profitable when the vaccines you are actually talking about are nowhere near as profitable. You're quite transparent and this attempt at salvage is pathetic - but maybe you've managed to convince yourself - probably not though.
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You are the one that brought lineage into the discussion about vaccines.
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It's called a tangent of the discussion.
Do you know how many vaccines children get plus boosters before elementary school age? Do you know how many times a child goes to the doctor before elementary school age? Multiply that by 4,331,999. That's the projected number babies that will be born in the US in 2011. 10 vaccines $20 each $866,399,800 |
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A. And you're saying millions of children world wide, at age of 1 or 2, are genetically disposed to become autistic no matter their lineage? B. And you're saying millions of children world wide, at age of 1 or 2, are genetically disposed to become autistic no matter their genetics? C. And you're saying millions of children world wide, at age of 1 or 2, are disposed by lineage to become autistic no matter their lineage? D. And you're saying millions of children world wide, at age of 1 or 2, are disposed by lineage to become autistic no matter their genetics? |
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Yes.
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Millions of children world wide, are genetically disposed to become autistic. This makes sense. Symptoms of autism typically begin showing at ages 1 or 2, around the same time the MMR vaccine is administrated. Idiots are now convinced that the vaccine causes autism, despite the fact that there is no evidence that agrees with them. |
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I can sell things at cost and make a whole lot of gross profits too. I can sell $1,000,000 worth of stuff tomorrow but if it cost me $999,990 to make and ship I will have barely enough for 2 cups of coffee.
You seem to have no clue about the definitions of 'profit' are. I'm not saying they don't make money - they should. It encourages them to stay in business, expand and research into other areas. But to say they are making serious money compared to the cash cows things like Viagra and Cholestrerol medications is a joke. The ability to make profits on other drugs vs the low margins from vaccines is why there are so few companies making children's vaccines. If you had any idea of what you are talking about instead of repeating hysterical nonsense you would understand that. |
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