Leslie Flint

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Hi Guys

Can you share any knowledge and Randi' point of view on Leslie Flint.

I came across his name while trying to understand logic behing Zammit and his test that something that doesn't exist must be proven that in fact it doesn't exist- obviously he is pretty nutts.

Flint is the most searched direct voice medium and noone managed to debunked him. While his seanses he was awake and agreed on many experiments.
There are tapes from his seanses and the most strange thing is that those voices haven't changed over years.

Can someone share some knowlede with me please? The only one explanation I came across is that he is blamed for mass hypnosis which still doesn't justify existing of those tapes.

Thanks - j.s
 
Check out this thread from way back when.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=898424#post898424

Psiload said:
Leslie Flint... I love this guy. He kills me.

My favorite is Bessie Smith, slave on the cotton fields of Alabama:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/bessie.html

The first time I heard this, I laughed so hard I nearly felll out of my chair. It sounds like Ringo Starr trying to reenact a scene from Gone With the Wind... it sho' 'nuff do!

:dl:

How about this doozy...

"And my hair! Oh, if you could see my hair. I was so pleased with it. It's really nice and straight and long, you know."

That's right, when black people go to heaven they get their sweet reward in the form of caucasian hair! Isn't that special? Way to interject your bigotry into the afterlife, Leslie... jolly good show.:rolleyes:
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Thanks

Still would like to know what you think on how those voices were made. Actors? A radio in a box?
 
Obviously Chopin - a polish composer who moed to France and died young shouldn't be speaking english with french accent.
But still would love to know what was so hard to find his way of doing it over 30yrs.
 
Js1981 said:
Obviously Chopin - a polish composer who moed to France and died young shouldn't be speaking english with french accent.
But still would love to know what was so hard to find his way of doing it over 30yrs.
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In all of the Leslie Flint recordings I've heard, all I hear is an old English guy doing a terrible job of mimicking voices.

I'm not sure what you find so baffling about "his way" of failing to imitate a host of dead people. It seems pretty simple to me.
 
Psiload said:
In all of the Leslie Flint recordings I've heard, all I hear is an old English guy doing a terrible job of mimicking voices.

I'm not sure what you find so baffling about "his way" of failing to imitate a host of dead people. It seems pretty simple to me.
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Because he passed a very simple test:
He had a pink liquid in his mouth, mouth was taped and after the recording he spat the liquid out. It is actually documented.
That is why I am refering to the phenomenon as 'his way'. The voice didn't come through him as other medium pretende to be in trance(zammit' boy). Yet the voice is being able to interact with scientists who participated in the sittings.
I bet it was a Radio or something. Couldn't be trap door and actors as he did same thing ina circle with strangers.
 
It's a pity that no one thought to take any infrared pictures at one of his seances. I, for one, would love to see an "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ectoplasmic voice box". ;) [/FONT]
 
Js1981 said:
Because he passed a very simple test:
He had a pink liquid in his mouth, mouth was taped and after the recording he spat the liquid out. It is actually documented.
That is why I am refering to the phenomenon as 'his way'. The voice didn't come through him as other medium pretende to be in trance(zammit' boy). Yet the voice is being able to interact with scientists who participated in the sittings.
I bet it was a Radio or something. Couldn't be trap door and actors as he did same thing ina circle with strangers.
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He, like most of the psychic medium charlatans, probably had many different cheating methods. I'd say that he probably used whatever method of trickery was necessary to defeat whatever particular controls where placed on him in any given situation.

It's impossible to know with any certainty because this all took place over a half a century ago.

All we have to go by now are his recordings, which are obvious examples of trickery and fraud.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
It's a pity that no one thought to take any infrared pictures at one of his seances. I, for one, would love to see an "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ectoplasmic voice box". ;) [/FONT]
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Another good point.

It's interesting that the practice of "dark room seances" went extinct as soon as night vision video technology became readily available.

Things that make you go hmmmmm?
 
Psiload said:
Another good point.

It's interesting that the practice of "dark room seances" went extinct as soon as night vision video technology became readily available.

Things that make you go hmmmmm?
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Zammit works in total darkness.
Materialisation now is invisible too, only sound and touch.

You the funniest thing is that some old medium who are retired bring up all those old black and white photos of someone with a piece of cloth in his mouth and explain materialisation based on that.
 
Js1981 said:
Zammit works in total darkness.
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Victor Zammit? The man is a staunch proponent of Coco Puffs. The less he sees the light of day the better.

Materialisation now is invisible too, only sound and touch.
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It's a shame how night vision video technology robbed the mojo from all those floating trumpets and brought them all crashing down.

You the funniest thing is that some old medium who are retired bring up all those old black and white photos of someone with a piece of cloth in his mouth and explain materialisation based on that.
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Yes, the silly history of the foolish fraud that is physical mediumship. It sure is a funny thing.
 
Sid Ceasar used to do ersatz "languages" so well people claimed to understand what he was saying.
Anyone with an ear for dialect can do this; I'm pretty good myself.
 
Js1981 said:
Because he passed a very simple test:
He had a pink liquid in his mouth, mouth was taped and after the recording he spat the liquid out. It is actually documented.
That is why I am refering to the phenomenon as 'his way'. The voice didn't come through him as other medium pretende to be in trance(zammit' boy). Yet the voice is being able to interact with scientists who participated in the sittings.
I bet it was a Radio or something. Couldn't be trap door and actors as he did same thing ina circle with strangers.
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Where and how was this documented?
 
Js1981 said:
Obviously Chopin - a polish composer who moed to France and died young shouldn't be speaking english with french accent.
But still would love to know what was so hard to find his way of doing it over 30yrs.
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I remember reading an angry letter to Skeptic's Report where the writer explained Chopin's improved English.... "Of course he's learned better English in the 120 years since he passed on..." :jaw-dropp
 
Foolmewunz said:
I remember reading an angry letter to Skeptic's Report where the writer explained Chopin's improved English.... "Of course he's learned better English in the 120 years since he passed on..." :jaw-dropp
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So when did he find time to learn to moo? Do all cows go to Heaven too? Or only contented ones? :confused:
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
It's a pity that no one thought to take any infrared pictures at one of his seances. I, for one, would love to see an "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ectoplasmic voice box". ;) [/FONT]
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There are photos of this phenonema available and Leslie was subjected to very tight controls and tests and many witnesses:)
 
Js1981 said:
Hi Guys

Can you share any knowledge and Randi' point of view on Leslie Flint.

I came across his name while trying to understand logic behing Zammit and his test that something that doesn't exist must be proven that in fact it doesn't exist- obviously he is pretty nutts.

Flint is the most searched direct voice medium and noone managed to debunked him. While his seanses he was awake and agreed on many experiments.
There are tapes from his seanses and the most strange thing is that those voices haven't changed over years.

Can someone share some knowlede with me please? The only one explanation I came across is that he is blamed for mass hypnosis which still doesn't justify existing of those tapes.

Thanks - j.s
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As others have noted, it is very difficult to judge incidents that happened decades ago.

However, if you compare the mentioned feats with what the better stage magicians do, and which is also often recorded, even on TV, I think you will find that it is not standing out in any way.

As for specific feats, which you say are documented, well to comment we need to review the documentation. Basically, in my line of work (pharmaceuticals), if you cannot produce the documentation, it didn't happen.

In this context, if the documentation is not available for review, the evidence is anecdotical.

Hans
 
Js1981 said:
Because he passed a very simple test:
He had a pink liquid in his mouth, mouth was taped and after the recording he spat the liquid out. It is actually documented.
That is why I am refering to the phenomenon as 'his way'. The voice didn't come through him as other medium pretende to be in trance(zammit' boy). Yet the voice is being able to interact with scientists who participated in the sittings.
I bet it was a Radio or something. Couldn't be trap door and actors as he did same thing ina circle with strangers.
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That's nothin'. I saw Penn & Teller shoot one another simultaneously on stage and they both caught the bullets in their mouths.
 
Js1981 said:
Because he passed a very simple test:
He had a pink liquid in his mouth, mouth was taped and after the recording he spat the liquid out. It is actually documented.
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In 1947 this trick was performed at the Kingsway Hall in London by William Roy, a hugely successful English medium. His hands were tied to his chair, his mouth was filled with coloured water and sticking plaster was placed across his mouth. The lights were turned off and, much to the amazement of the audience, Roy somehow managed to produce spirit voices.

Five years later his assistant exposed him as a fraud. How was the "mouth full of water" trick performed? Simple: under cover of darkness Roy leaned over, loosened the sticking plaster with one tied hand and ejected the water through a rubber tube into a container hidden inside his jacket. After producing the voices Roy sucked up the water and smoothed the sticking plaster back into place.

Bearing in mind the fact that such effects were performed in darkness, I would suggest that Leslie Flint used the same modus operandi.
 
Just for the record, Chopin's father was French, and he was brought up speaking both French and Polish.
 
BobR said:
Just for the record, Chopin's father was French, and he was brought up speaking both French and Polish.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Now that you have posted this I can go home. :wackyrolleyes:
 
bonzo2 said:
There are photos of this phenonema available and Leslie was subjected to very tight controls and tests and many witnesses:)
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The quality of witnesses varies greatly.

I am oversimplifying a bit, but when investigating the classic medium-in-a-darkened-room shtick, unless your witness is a practiced stage magician, you really don't have anything.
 
Ladewig said:
The quality of witnesses varies greatly.

I am oversimplifying a bit, but when investigating the classic medium-in-a-darkened-room shtick, unless your witness is a practiced stage magician, you really don't have anything.
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More than a stage magician. A magician educated in the ways of the mediums and with defined access.
 
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