Human tissue in vaccine causes autism!! O noes!

ria_rokz · 12th July 2011, 09:12 PM

Apparently some genius has discovered a link between the use of human tissues in vaccinations and the rise in autism. Funny, supposedly this happened when they stopped using thimerserol in vaccinations... But I thought that was causing autism! Way to move the goal posts, go anti-vaxxers. Somebody on my Facebook posted this on her wall and it makes me want to punch stupid people in the face.

From the article (which quotes a CBS news story on it)

Quote:

Former drug company scientist Helen Ratajczak recently created a firestorm of debate from all sides of the vaccine-autism issue when she published her comprehensive review of autism research. However, her 79-page review contains one detail that could easily go unnoticed—five words that reveal one of the most shocking secrets Big Pharma has ever kept from you.

"…Grown in human fetal tissue."

The line reads (page 70):

"An additional increased spike in incidence of autism occurred in 1995 when the chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue."

Rolfe · 13th July 2011, 03:13 AM

Can we just remember it's t-h-i-o-m-e-r-s-a-l which is the mercury-containing preservative in vaccines.

If I see it spelled wrong one more time my head may asplode.

Rolfe.

Capsid · 13th July 2011, 03:37 AM

It's a cell line derived from foetal tissue, called MRC-5. It's also used to make the inactivated polio and hep A vaccines; the polio vaccine has been around a lot longer than the chicken pox vaccine. No spike in autism seems to have been reported when the IPV got introduced, or maybe one will be found now this little nugget gets around.

Fishstick · 13th July 2011, 03:39 AM

I could swear this 'secret' was even mentioned on the ingredients list / folder that comes with vaccines, but unfortuntely googling vaccine ingredients these days gives 9/10 woo sites about MERCURY! and EMBALMING FLUID!!

Capsid · 13th July 2011, 03:44 AM

The ingredients are readily available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ne_ingredients

Tomblvd · 13th July 2011, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Can we just remember it's t-h-i-o-m-e-r-s-a-l which is the mercury-containing preservative in vaccines.

If I see it spelled wrong one more time my head may asplode.

Rolfe.

Sorry Rolfe, but you might want to invest in some duct-tape. In the US it is commonly spelled thimerosal.

;-)

DallasDad · 13th July 2011, 04:11 PM

I wonder about the etymology. Is this one of those things where people hear an unfamiliar word and morph it into something more sensible (to the listener)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

Acknowledges the U.S. variation, but doesn't explain it.

Andrew Wiggin · 14th July 2011, 10:56 PM

Just because half of americans thing nuclear is 'nucular' might make that a variation worthy of mention, but that doesn't make it correct. The chemical is thiomersal. There's a thiol group in the compound; there is no 'thim' group. I actually prefer the earlier name 'merthiolate' as it correctly describes the compound as 'mercury thiolate'. I still remember putting 'tincture of merthiolate' and 'mercurochrome' on cuts. You can still (with some difficulty)get mercurochrome and merthiolate tinctures online and in health food stores; I'd bet that some of the folks who go all woo about thiomersal (the same ones who can't say it?) in vaccines put tincture of merthiolate on their kids cuts and scrapes.

r-j · 16th July 2011, 06:46 AM

Wasn't tincture of Merthiolate outlawed due to mercury poisoning from it?

Andrew Wiggin · 16th July 2011, 09:33 PM

It can't be sold in drugstores, but I don't know if its illegal per se. Certainly it's not a controlled substance. It can still be purchased online from numerous sources, although I don't know the legality. I don't know if there were any cases of poisoning from it being used on cuts but I doubt it. You'd have to drink it, and drink an awful lot of it. I'd guess at this point it's in a similar legal category to DMSO. Lots of people still use DMSO for their arthritis, even though it's been off the market as a linement for human use for years. Again, it wasn't horribly toxic but people get scared easily and some easily scared people are in positions to make laws. For me the funny thing is that plenty of more dangerous medications are grandfathered in under the 'generally recognized as safe' concept, even ones that aren't actually safe, like aspirin and tylenol. Medication safety and efficacy are areas where human emotion should give way to science, but that doesn't always happen.

bigred · 17th July 2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Wiggin

Just because half of americans thing nuclear is 'nucular' might make that a variation worthy of mention, but that doesn't make it correct.

On the other hand, most of us know how to spell the word "think." Gotta love a post drenched in irony.

Can we move past the pendantic aspects of this topic now?

Someone please tell the woomeisters that "grown in human tissue" doesn't mean a vaccine given contains human tissue or mean it's inherently bad regardless, as Ms Ratajczak appears to be claiming. In fact, she doesn't appear to have backed up any of her claims. Just another fame/money whore counting on naive fools to get it. Gee there's something new.

PS if anyone knows what the hell "homologous recombinaltion tiniker" means, I'm all ears.

Tomblvd · 18th July 2011, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Andrew Wiggin

Just because half of americans thing nuclear is 'nucular' might make that a variation worthy of mention, but that doesn't make it correct.

You'll have to take this up with such yokels as the CDC and FDA, as well as just about everyone else in the US. Here it is spelled thimerosal. It has nothing to do with pronunciation. I'm not sure why that is such a big deal.

Quote:

The chemical is thiomersal.

Is the metal aluminum (US) or aluminium (UK)?

We spell things differently, get over it.

Now, on with the thread......

EdipisReks · 18th July 2011, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Can we just remember it's t-h-i-o-m-e-r-s-a-l which is the mercury-containing preservative in vaccines.

If I see it spelled wrong one more time my head may asplode.

Rolfe.

the FDA seems to disagree. seems to be one of them thar regional spellin' differences, one might say like. a-yup.

bigred · 18th July 2011, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tomblvd

Now, on with the thread......

Why start now?

Mercurial Artism · 18th July 2011, 05:27 PM

That's small potatoes. I once saw a FB page claiming acetaminophen is a cause of autism. I mean, I pay more attention to the acetaminophen risks now that I'm taking hydrocodone/acetaminophen to help manage back pain (whereas it used to be minimal risk for me since I don't drink alcohol and typically don't take many painkillers), but for all the things I worry about, THAT isn't on the list.

Besides, everyone knows the most toxic chemical in vaccines is DHMO.

bigred · 18th July 2011, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mercurial Artism

That's small potatoes. I once saw a FB page

? Football?

Quote:

Besides, everyone knows the most toxic chemical in vaccines is DHMO.

? Department of Health and Mgt Office?

r-j · 18th July 2011, 06:28 PM

FB = Facebook

12th July 2011, 09:12 PM	#1
ria_rokz Muse Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 533	Human tissue in vaccine causes autism!! O noes! Apparently some genius has discovered a link between the use of human tissues in vaccinations and the rise in autism. Funny, supposedly this happened when they stopped using thimerserol in vaccinations... But I thought that was causing autism! Way to move the goal posts, go anti-vaxxers. Somebody on my Facebook posted this on her wall and it makes me want to punch stupid people in the face. From the article (which quotes a CBS news story on it) Quote: Former drug company scientist Helen Ratajczak recently created a firestorm of debate from all sides of the vaccine-autism issue when she published her comprehensive review of autism research. However, her 79-page review contains one detail that could easily go unnoticed—five words that reveal one of the most shocking secrets Big Pharma has ever kept from you. "…Grown in human fetal tissue." The line reads (page 70): "An additional increased spike in incidence of autism occurred in 1995 when the chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue."
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13th July 2011, 03:37 AM	#3
Capsid Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,842	It's a cell line derived from foetal tissue, called MRC-5. It's also used to make the inactivated polio and hep A vaccines; the polio vaccine has been around a lot longer than the chicken pox vaccine. No spike in autism seems to have been reported when the IPV got introduced, or maybe one will be found now this little nugget gets around.
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13th July 2011, 03:44 AM	#5
Capsid Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,842	The ingredients are readily available. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ne_ingredients
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13th July 2011, 03:48 PM	#6
Tomblvd Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 821	Originally Posted by Rolfe Can we just remember it's t-h-i-o-m-e-r-s-a-l which is the mercury-containing preservative in vaccines. If I see it spelled wrong one more time my head may asplode. Rolfe. Sorry Rolfe, but you might want to invest in some duct-tape. In the US it is commonly spelled thimerosal. ;-)
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13th July 2011, 03:39 AM	#4
Fishstick Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,603	I could swear this 'secret' was even mentioned on the ingredients list / folder that comes with vaccines, but unfortuntely googling vaccine ingredients these days gives 9/10 woo sites about MERCURY! and EMBALMING FLUID!!

13th July 2011, 04:11 PM	#7
DallasDad Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,002	I wonder about the etymology. Is this one of those things where people hear an unfamiliar word and morph it into something more sensible (to the listener)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal Acknowledges the U.S. variation, but doesn't explain it.

14th July 2011, 10:56 PM	#8
Andrew Wiggin Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,915	Just because half of americans thing nuclear is 'nucular' might make that a variation worthy of mention, but that doesn't make it correct. The chemical is thiomersal. There's a thiol group in the compound; there is no 'thim' group. I actually prefer the earlier name 'merthiolate' as it correctly describes the compound as 'mercury thiolate'. I still remember putting 'tincture of merthiolate' and 'mercurochrome' on cuts. You can still (with some difficulty)get mercurochrome and merthiolate tinctures online and in health food stores; I'd bet that some of the folks who go all woo about thiomersal (the same ones who can't say it?) in vaccines put tincture of merthiolate on their kids cuts and scrapes.
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r-j Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,689	Wasn't tincture of Merthiolate outlawed due to mercury poisoning from it?
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16th July 2011, 09:33 PM	#10
Andrew Wiggin Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,915	It can't be sold in drugstores, but I don't know if its illegal per se. Certainly it's not a controlled substance. It can still be purchased online from numerous sources, although I don't know the legality. I don't know if there were any cases of poisoning from it being used on cuts but I doubt it. You'd have to drink it, and drink an awful lot of it. I'd guess at this point it's in a similar legal category to DMSO. Lots of people still use DMSO for their arthritis, even though it's been off the market as a linement for human use for years. Again, it wasn't horribly toxic but people get scared easily and some easily scared people are in positions to make laws. For me the funny thing is that plenty of more dangerous medications are grandfathered in under the 'generally recognized as safe' concept, even ones that aren't actually safe, like aspirin and tylenol. Medication safety and efficacy are areas where human emotion should give way to science, but that doesn't always happen.
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17th July 2011, 10:01 AM	#11
bigred Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 20,296	Originally Posted by Andrew Wiggin Just because half of americans thing nuclear is 'nucular' might make that a variation worthy of mention, but that doesn't make it correct. On the other hand, most of us know how to spell the word "think." Gotta love a post drenched in irony. Can we move past the pendantic aspects of this topic now? Someone please tell the woomeisters that "grown in human tissue" doesn't mean a vaccine given contains human tissue or mean it's inherently bad regardless, as Ms Ratajczak appears to be claiming. In fact, she doesn't appear to have backed up any of her claims. Just another fame/money whore counting on naive fools to get it. Gee there's something new. PS if anyone knows what the hell "homologous recombinaltion tiniker" means, I'm all ears.

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Tomblvd Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 821	Originally Posted by Andrew Wiggin Just because half of americans thing nuclear is 'nucular' might make that a variation worthy of mention, but that doesn't make it correct. You'll have to take this up with such yokels as the CDC and FDA, as well as just about everyone else in the US. Here it is spelled thimerosal. It has nothing to do with pronunciation. I'm not sure why that is such a big deal. Quote: The chemical is thiomersal. Is the metal aluminum (US) or aluminium (UK)? We spell things differently, get over it. Now, on with the thread......
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EdipisReks Custom Title Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The 'Nati Posts: 1,966	Originally Posted by Rolfe Can we just remember it's t-h-i-o-m-e-r-s-a-l which is the mercury-containing preservative in vaccines. If I see it spelled wrong one more time my head may asplode. Rolfe. the FDA seems to disagree. seems to be one of them thar regional spellin' differences, one might say like. a-yup.
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bigred Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 20,296	Originally Posted by Tomblvd Now, on with the thread...... Why start now?

18th July 2011, 05:27 PM	#15
Mercurial Artism Guest Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 111	That's small potatoes. I once saw a FB page claiming acetaminophen is a cause of autism. I mean, I pay more attention to the acetaminophen risks now that I'm taking hydrocodone/acetaminophen to help manage back pain (whereas it used to be minimal risk for me since I don't drink alcohol and typically don't take many painkillers), but for all the things I worry about, THAT isn't on the list. Besides, everyone knows the most toxic chemical in vaccines is DHMO.
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18th July 2011, 06:23 PM	#16
bigred Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 20,296	Originally Posted by Mercurial Artism That's small potatoes. I once saw a FB page ? Football? Quote: Besides, everyone knows the most toxic chemical in vaccines is DHMO. ? Department of Health and Mgt Office?

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