Merged: Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Patrick1000]

The January 17 1969 LIFE Magazine in which appeared personal accounts by each of the three Apollo 8 astronauts describing "the first voyage 'round the moon" is probably the single most important historic document of the late twentieth century.

In this single document, Apollo fraudulence is demonstrated with absolute certainty. Borman's own words provide a most eloquent and concise proof of Apollo Inauthenticity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQ...vcbHsLPqKbJV_z

[Patrick1000]

Jay and Jarrah had at it over this that and the other thing as regards the Bart Sibrel Buzz Aldrin cage match. Needless to say, my views differ from both those of Jay and Jarrah, but the cage match event was/is so so so important, it is indeed imperative that those of us interested in Apollo truth, Apollo authenticity/inauthenticity, take a good hard look at everything available on the subject. Quite literally, the truth about our world hangs in the balance, hangs by this surprisingly silly thread.

The awesome truth regarding Apollo Authenticity/Inauthenticity is amenable to determination based solely on a careful examination of this ostensibly trivial event, Aldrin pretending to bust Sibrel's chops. One need not even get up into low earth orbit. Just a cruise down Rodeo Drive proves Apollo bogus. Ever see a day in which not a car drives down the streets of that neighborhood? Pretty FAKE ain't it.

Anyway, for those unaware of the Jay/Jarrah cage match over this silly yet quite literally historic event, here are the links to the brawl. I saw the thing in real-time on pay-per-view. Thank God someone had the foresight to "record" this silly encounter as well.

Note the "Far Eastern"/Japanese camera crew in these videos, not filming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYyTjyWWlI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq0FcfC0pUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK9TXFQLjg4

And if you think I am kidding about the importance of this, consider the following. ALDRIN DEVOTES AN ENTIRE CHAPTER OF HIS BOOK "MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION" TO THE SIBREL PUNCH-OUT INCIDENT.

[CompusMentus]

Originally Posted by jeffhetzel

The set is well worth it. I am watching it again right now. You won't go wrong with any of the Spacecraft films sets. I finally am at the point where I have everything dealing with the early years up to the the shuttle. I think it might be hard to convince my wive of the "need" of those.

Thanks for the info guys.

I'm definitely going to buy it as soon as. Amazon don't have a copy ATM so I might have to fork out for direct shipping. But as has been written, it will be worth it.


Compus

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by threadworm

Two stories from the LROC site from the past couple of days:

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.....html#extended

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/upload...601R_thumb.png

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index....he-Tracks.html

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/upload...641LR_ap15.png

To coin a phrase they:

PROVE APOLLO AUTHENTICITY WITH METAPHYSICAL UNMITIGATED CERTITUDE. THIS EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY UNIMPEACHABLE

Hey quit stealing my lines!!!!!, By the way, I agree with you....


Looks like NASA/Apollo equipment to me as well, not going to get an argument from me there. I could not agree more......

Do wish they would send a rover down there to take some good pictures. You know, like they do with the Mars stuff. That would shut those silly naysayers up, the ones that don't believe anything was landed by the USAF during the Apollo Missions.

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

Again, how does a YouTube video, staged or not, about one old guy supposedly punching another guy in a Los Angeles hotel prove that the entire moon landing program which ended thirty years before is a fake? Lay out the individual steps in your theory which you think lead inexorably to your conclusion.

Because otherwise this is pure non sequitur.

Well ask yourself this question......The punch scene is staged for the reasons given. You can't talk with your mouth full. We know Aldrin's fist never found Sibrel's chops.

Given this FACT, this TRUTH, what other reason would there be to stage this?

The scene is staged to bolster Aldrin's credibility and diminish fraud advocate credibility. Too bad it backfired cuz' now it is easy to show anyone with a middle school degree, prove to anyone with a middle school degree that Apollo is Inauthentic, FRAUDULENT.

As I said, nothing less than a sensational find. Silly yet compelling, trivial yet historic, dumb yet epic and quite literally a stupid gaffe that will change history for all time. A FAKE AND WAY TOO RISKY DESPERATE PLOY PROVES MAN NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON.

It is all so incredible and TRUE, AMAZING!!!!!!

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!

Note the audio is very much in synch........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaL7N...25HEFbtmHxkw-_

Prior to Aldrin punching Sibrel, the thespian says, "Will you get away from me". You will note here that the audio is in perfect synch with the lip/mouth movements of our Sir Laurence Olivier wanna-be...........

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!

So Fake, so phony, so staged, it's trwew it's TRWEW...

Another critical point demonstrating with unmitigated metaphysical certitude the FRAUDULENCE of the Aldrin/Sibrel cage match, and along with it, the unmitigated FRAUDULENCE of all of Apollo.

Recall how the talented thespian NOT claimed in chapter 20 of his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION, a chapter entitled "A BLOW HEARD 'ROUND THE WORLD", an entire chapter dedicated to this OBVIOUS PUBLICITY STUNT THAT ANY MIDDLE SCHOOLER COULD AND NOW MUST RECOGNIZE AS SUCH, that the "Far Eastern" film crew/interviewers turned out to be a hostile lot, pitching to Sir Laurence Light questions with APOLLO FRAUD overtones/implications. The world's worst actor then emphasizes in his book that he ended the interview there, did not linger, said his "goodbyes" and split.

So what are these guys doing following Aldrin around filming him downstairs for? Aldrin would not have permitted that. Filming someone like this is not illegal, but let's get real here. Aldrin let these people know that their questions with the "hoax" implications were not welcome. He told them the interview was OVER. They would not continue to film him, down the elevator, downstairs to the lobby where they would all FIND a waiting Bart Sibrel.

The video you see is that shot by Sibrel's crew, "the Far Eastern" crew is itself filmed, and filmed in these scenes by Sibrel's team.

The fact that this HOSTILE FAR EASTERN CREW CONTINUES TO FOLLOW ALDRIN AND AT TIMES BE SEEN TO AT LEAST BE FEIGNING TO FILM THE THESPIAN, IS FURTHER PROOF THAT THIS THING IS STAGED.

Take a careful look and try as you may, try as you might to prove me wrong, show me how this bogus thing is anything but FAKE!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJG...P6kVyqvLl6RJnA

They had no reason to follow him once told their interview was over. What were they going to do, follow Aldrin to his car and film him climbing in? Not that such a filming would not have some interest for someone GENUINELY HOSTILE like me. You know, it is a bit ODD!!!!!!! this busy street featured NOT A SINGLE CAR rolling by during this PHONY AS ALL GET OUT STAGED PUNCHING SCENARIO.

17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7......JIVE OFF, NOT TO MENTION RIP OFF, WEE HAVE JIVE OFF AND RIP OFF.......

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

So Fake, so phony, so staged, it's trwew it's TRWEW...

Another critical point demonstrating with unmitigated metaphysical certitude the FRAUDULENCE of the Aldrin/Sibrel cage match, and along with it, the unmitigated FRAUDULENCE of all of Apollo.

Recall how the talented thespian NOT claimed in chapter 20 of his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION, a chapter entitled "A BLOW HEARD 'ROUND THE WORLD", an entire chapter dedicated to this OBVIOUS PUBLICITY STUNT THAT ANY MIDDLE SCHOOLER COULD AND NOW MUST RECOGNIZE AS SUCH, that the "Far Eastern" film crew/interviewers turned out to be a hostile lot, pitching to Sir Laurence Light questions with APOLLO FRAUD overtones/implications. The world's worst actor then emphasizes in his book that he ended the interview there, did not linger, said his "goodbyes" and split.

So what are these guys doing following Aldrin around filming him downstairs for? Aldrin would not have permitted that. Filming someone like this is not illegal, but let's get real here. Aldrin let these people know that their questions with the "hoax" implications were not welcome. He told them the interview was OVER. They would not continue to film him, down the elevator, downstairs to the lobby where they would all FIND a waiting Bart Sibrel.

The video you see is that shot by Sibrel's crew, "the Far Eastern" crew is itself filmed, and filmed in these scenes by Sibrel's team.

The fact that this HOSTILE FAR EASTERN CREW CONTINUES TO FOLLOW ALDRIN AND AT TIMES BE SEEN TO AT LEAST BE FEIGNING TO FILM THE THESPIAN, IS FURTHER PROOF THAT THIS THING IS STAGED.

Take a careful look and try as you may, try as you might to prove me wrong, show me how this bogus thing is anything but FAKE!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJG...P6kVyqvLl6RJnA

They had no reason to follow him once told their interview was over. What were they going to do, follow Aldrin to his car and film him climbing in? Not that such a filming would not have some interest for someone GENUINELY HOSTILE like me. You know, it is a bit ODD!!!!!!! this busy street featured NOT A SINGLE CAR rolling by during this PHONY AS ALL GET OUT STAGED PUNCHING SCENARIO.

17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7......JIVE OFF, NOT TO MENTION RIP OFF, WEE HAVE JIVE OFF AND RIP OFF.......

Seriously this childish tone is not helping your argument such as it is. And again even if you could prove that the Sibrel footage was fake, which you have emphatically not done, it would have zero impact on the reality of Apollo 30 plus years earlier. Tracking, rocks, film, LRO pictures, these are the things you have failed to address, not to mention Teflon, Oxygen, and facing those you accuse.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

This One Is Even Better ANTPogo......

Sibrel's original slowed to 15%. I used Adobe Premiere for the slowing, maintained the audio pitch.

What is your formal training in the use of Adobe Premiere?
I have some training in its use. Tread carefully. It is not a tool which is normally taught to doctors, is it?

Basically, you faffed about with sliders, and that is it.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

This proves Apollo Inauththenticity with unmitigated metaphysical incontrovertible certainty...........

No. It shows you can download a bootleg copy and mess about with sliders, without knowing what you are doing.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSqO4...25HEFbtmHxkw-_

Mindblowing isn't it? How FAKE it all is and how easy it is to prove.

Argumentum ad youtubem, please.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Did you know that in Aldrin's own book, "MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION", Aldrin wrote that it was a "Far Eastern"/Japanese media team that had invited Aldrin to that hotel, interviewed and videoed the thespian. Sibrel did not stalk Aldrin. As the story is told in the main, Sibrel was "tipped off", informed that the "Far Eastern"/Japanese crew was going to be there.

Yes, we did. And we also knew that Sibrel ambushed him after the interview.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Sibrel did not ambush Aldrin, the Far Eastern film crew did. Truth be told, they were in on this too, albeit PERHAPS unknowingly. For all we know, they may ALL be actors(see below).

Well, for all we know you are a spotty teen in a basement. I am now resolved to make contact with Dr. Patrick Tekeli to verify your story. Stand by for results.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Anyhoo, since this was/is all fake, one knows that much, it wouldn't have been much of an ambush anyway, even were Sibrel there without the "Far Eastern"/Japanese crew. Not much of an ambush when the guy getting punched knows the punch is commin', knows he really ain't gonna' get hit, and as a matter of fact, is a dude actually on your side, Aldrin's side, a full fledged Fraud PERP.

Bunch of un-evidenced claims.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Aldrin claimed in his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION that the "Far Eastern"/Japanese interviewing team was hostile, and as a consequence, he broke off the interview because the subject matter went "out of bounds". That is, involved the topic of Aldrin's FRADULENT trip to the moon, involved the topic of Apollo Inauthenticity.

More un-evidenced claims.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Note carefully how it is "Sibrel's team" that videos this, and it is that "version" of the scene that reaches the public. The Japanese video team is standing/walking around for the most part. Look at them, how inactive they are, almost making an effort to NOT BE FILMING. We never see their video. They are not shooting much of the time, if at all. We never have seen their presumably bogus video. It has never been published. Were this real, of course they would publish the stuff. It is so gossipy good, and as it turns out, perfectly legal. In the state of California, you can video someone out in public like this, in front of a hotel, without their permission. A hostile film crew, however perceived as unethical, was doing nothing illegal filming Aldrin here. Better said, doing nothing illegal filming this staged encounter.

You have no experience in such activities. Where does your claimed expertise originate?

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Perhaps the second camera crew were hoping for a better angle on the PHONY punch, hoping for a good shot as Aldrin's stepdaughter moves away from the Japanese crew's line of sight. She moves away, clearly on cue. LOOK AT HER, NOTE HER VIGILANCE AND SHE IS NOT LOOKING OUT FOR BUZZ. SHE IS BEING CUED AS TO WHEN TO MOVE, WHERE TO MOVE.

Perhaps you are simply wrong.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

So the stepdaughter moves on cue to give the Japanese cameraman an angle, a clear shot at the punch. They were hoping to get a shot that showed the phony punch better. The punch shot we do have, the one published, the one circulating, is not convincing at all with Sibrel's back turned like this. As it turns out, must have been the best that they could do. Since Aldrin did not really hit Sibrel, it probably wound up looking that way, as though he wasn't really hit. That is assuming the Japanese really did film the FAKE PUNCH froma Aldrin's right as they had set up to do so.

You cannot know all this, as is obvious to and casual reader. Really, Patrick, you know what the camera crew were hoping?

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Note how the stepdaughter doesn't say anything to Sibrel of substance. Aldrin claims in his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION that she kept asking the Sibrel camera crew to turn off their video. Doesn't look like that to me, like anyone asked Sibrel's cameraman to turn off his video.

It is known as shock, as a doctor would know.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Note how the step daughter does not try to pull Aldrin away. Note how there is NO TRAFFIC AT ALL IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL. This despite Aldrin's claim in the book that the traffic was brisk and this is what kept him from getting away from Sibrel. The fact that there is not traffic at all not a single car goes by suggests this was staged to the extent that the street was "roped off" briefly and every person you see here is acting in a sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJG...P6kVyqvLl6RJnA

Argumentum ad youtubem again Patrick?

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Like I said, this stuff is pure gold.

At last, you got something right. Please explain how this relates to the Apollo events of thirty years previous.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

The January 17 1969 LIFE Magazine in which appeared personal accounts by each of the three Apollo 8 astronauts describing "the first voyage 'round the moon" is probably the single most important historic document of the late twentieth century.

Irrelevant hyperbole -- argument rejected.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

The January 17 1969 LIFE Magazine in which appeared personal accounts by each of the three Apollo 8 astronauts describing "the first voyage 'round the moon" is probably the single most important historic document of the late twentieth century.

In this single document, Apollo fraudulence is demonstrated with absolute certainty. Borman's own words provide a most eloquent and concise proof of Apollo Inauthenticity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQ...vcbHsLPqKbJV_z

Argumentum ad youtubem again Patrick?

[Tomblvd]

Five out of the last seven posts of Pat's deal with Sibrel. IOW, nothing.

The other two have even less to do with anything.

I think this qualifies as "ranting" and/or "raving".

Pat, why not tell us the secret of how you got into medical school without taking any college level chemistry?

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

This proves Apollo Inauththenticity with unmitigated metaphysical incontrovertible certainty...

You keep using this same nonsensical pile of words.

The rest of your post is a typically meaningless wall of text that fails to connect your charges against Sibrel with your charges against Apollo. You're simply pointing your finger in random directions and yelling "perp!" Your impression of what a "proper" ambush interview should be is simply irrelevant.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Hey quit stealing my lines!!!!!, By the way, I agree with you...

You put your words in their mouth. They didn't steal anything.

Quote:

Do wish they would send a rover down there to take some good pictures.

You failed to substantiate your standard of proof after having been asked repeatedly to do so. Begging the question -- argument rejected.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Anyway, for those unaware of the Jay/Jarrah cage match over this silly yet quite literally historic event, here are the links to the brawl.

Um, no. I don't participate in Jarrah White's videos, nor do I even watch them.

Quote:

And if you think I am kidding about the importance of this...

I can put you in touch with either Aldrin or Sibrel or both (but probably not at the same time). You have refused my invitations repeatedly, so you're nothing more than hot air. It's not important because you don't behave as if it's important. You behave as if this is just another ploy for attention.

[abaddon]

Well, blow me down, the first number listed is not in service.

Let's try some others.

[SUSpilot]

Patrick -

Regarding the encounter between Aldrin and Sibrel. Your interpretation is wrong. We've already determined that.

Regarding your proof that PTFE will not burn in a supercritical environment, where is it?

Regarding your analysis of matte processes in film and video, where is it?

Finally, are you or are you not going to face the people, including Sibrel, that you libel? I once asked you for a simple declaritive sentence. I'll make it easier: yes or no.

[Hans]

So what made all the foot print lines and wheel tracks?

[abaddon]

Second number attempted and:

"Disconnected or no longer in service"

[abaddon]

Call number three. Voicemail.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Tomblvd

Five out of the last seven posts of Pat's deal with Sibrel. IOW, nothing.

Indeed; he's just throwing anything and everything out there to perpetuate the discussion and garner attention. I'm starting to agree with the wisdom that says this thread has run its course and Patrick should be put on universal ignore. He's had 200 pages and eight months to say something, and it's clear that nothing further is forthcoming.

[abaddon]

Interestingly, call three was to a director of a medical centre. I left my details. We will see what transpires.

[000063]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

... Those videos, from 15 different vendors, Sibrel's OWN VIDEO PUBLICATION PROVE APOLLO INAUTHENTICITY WITH METAPHYSICAL UNMITIGATED CERTITUDE....

Que?

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

You are a bit late to our little soiree..........

First of all, the video is not out of synch. Or if it is, Sibrel made it that way, cuz' it's Bart's video, no one else's. Secondly, the PUNCH SOUND precedes the UTTERANCE OF THE WORD "THIEF" SOUND, and so, regardless of where the audio "clip" is placed, positioned, the dubbed, contrived, inauthentic bogus sound betrays the scene as staged. The punch would have to FOLLOW Sibrel's "THIEF" were this real. One cannot get slammed in the face and still articulate these words with such clarity, impossible. Try it for yourself. Have someone push you instead of punch you. That will make my point.

Note the Japanese film crew to the left there. They are not part of Sibrel's team. Note how Sibrel's step daughter moves out of their way so that they can film the punch. She moves on signal.

Why don't you give this a shot and show us all how this is authentic, not staged, not dubbed.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaL7N...25HEFbtmHxkw-_

Rather embarassing this sensational little proof of Apollo inauthenticity, though here in the world of the "LOST BIRD", such a point is almost considered trivial. New FACTS demonstrating Apollo FRAUDULENCE turn up here every day. Have a look 'round why don't you....

Ex post facto video editing proves poop fact.

[Erock]

Since it has been demonstrated a complete waste of time debating Docsocks, with humungous disregard for debunking, highly informed replies and hundreds of questions - I am simply posting this by way of proof of Apollo 11 landing on the Moon.

Little West Crater as photographed by Neil Armstrong(you know the crater P1K said he didn't phgotograph!). This has been assembled into a panorama.

This is on the Moon.

[A'isha]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Well ask yourself this question......The punch scene is staged for the reasons given. You can't talk with your mouth full. We know Aldrin's fist never found Sibrel's chops.

Given this FACT, this TRUTH, what other reason would there be to stage this?

Even assuming it was staged (which you haven't come anywhere near proving) I can think of a number of other reasons it might be besides "this is the only way to prove our faked moon landing wasn't faked at all". Indeed, that reason is literally the last reason I'd think of.

But you're asking me a question without doing me the courtesy of answering my own question.

So, please, answer the question I asked you, without resorting to rhetorical tricks like the above. Use direct, declarative sentences, in the form of a logical chain, to outline all the individual steps in your theory which you think lead inexorably to your conclusion.

How does a YouTube video, staged or not, about one old guy supposedly punching another guy in a Los Angeles hotel prove that the entire moon landing program which ended thirty years before is a fake?

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

You put your words in their mouth. They didn't steal anything.



You failed to substantiate your standard of proof after having been asked repeatedly to do so. Begging the question -- argument rejected.

Sure they stole something........The "proves with absolute unmitigated metaphysical certitude" bit is mine......

[Tomblvd]

Originally Posted by abaddon

Well, for all we know you are a spotty teen in a basement. I am now resolved to make contact with Dr. Patrick Tekeli to verify your story. Stand by for results.

I won't hold my breath. But good luck anyway.

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by Redtail

Oh Pat... you're wandering into my world again. Would you like me to explain why you're wrong about the punch?

I Found It Very Helpful Redtail To Read MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION......

There is absolutely no question that this thing is 10 plus bogus, and reading about the fraud, the Sibrel fraud, in Aldrin‘s own words is more than enlightening.;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJG...C4BGVH6Ypgw%3D

Simply viewing the video is “enough”, enough in terms of seeing what one needs to in order to understand/see/know/acknowledge this little encounter as the mimed charade that it is. That said, Aldrin's book and White's little films on the subject as well, previously referenced in my post at;

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...29#post8089629

(see the links to White/Jay's tussle above, worth a vidi, at least once)

provides the requisite background for one’s gaining a much broader view of this rather ambitious, but ever so ridiculous and ridiculously obvious publicity stunt.

I'll review some key points that Aldrin hit in the relevant MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION chapter here in the first part of this post, and then I’ll move on to emphasize a point not yet touched on, not in any detail anyway, a point I’ll make about the “far eastern” film team’s unquestionably having foreknowledge of the PHONY PUNCH.

First of all, it is incriminating in and of itself that Aldrin would devote an entire chapter of his book to this Sibrel encounter. Actually, chapter 20’s title references, the phony punch thing, “A BLOW HEARD ‘ROUND THE WORLD”. That said, only half the chapter deals with the “Sibrel Affair”. The chapter’s second half treats the topic of the Columbia disaster and the fallout from that.

But still, A CHAPTER IN AN “IMPORTANT BOOK” LIKE THIS DEDICATED TO DISCUSSING/PRESENTING THE FACTS WITH REGARD TO AN ENCOUNTER WITH A FULL ON STOOGE??????

In Chapter 20 of MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION, Aldrin informs us that contrary to popular opinion, Sibrel did not lure Aldrin to the hotel there. A “far eastern” film crew arranged to interview Aldrin there. The interview went south, at least in Aldrin’s mind, when the “far eastern” interviewer began to ask questions/show film clips that treated the subject of APOLLO FRAUD. Aldrin claims that he was not interested in continuing under such circumstances and so he ended the interview. And according to Aldrin, he and his step-daughter Lisa, did “DID NOT LINGER OVER THEIR GOODBYES”.

So if they said goodbye to these people, why are these people following Aldrin down the hall, into the elevator and into the foyer where Aldrin says he was immediately accosted by Sibrel. Note in the video linked above, there are two film crews, Sibrel’s and the “far eastern” team. One never sees Sibrel’s crew. But you do see the “far eastern” crew. Sibrel’s crew is filming them, ostensibly incidentally.

Some points I have made before Redtail, but worth restating for emphasis before moving on.

Aldrin claims in his book that his step-daughter Lisa asked Sibrel’s crew more than once to stop the filming. Do you see evidence of/for this, Lisa, Aldrin’s step-daughter asking Sibrel’s cameraman to knock it off in anything resembling a serious way?????? NOTHING LIKE THAT OCCURS…… NOTHING…….

Aldrin writes that his car was parked on Rodeo Drive, but he was not able to get to it easily as the traffic in front of the hotel was brisk. Take a look for yourself Redtail, nothing could be further from the truth. NOT A SINGLE CAR GOES BY. This is suggestive of the street having been roped off. Regardless, Aldrin is misrepresenting the situation and intentionally so. Aldrin is LYING HERE.

Now I’ll show you Redtail how one can tell that this “far eastern” crew had FOREKNOWLEDGE of “THE PUNCH”.

When Aldrin is run off the street back to the hotel by Sibrel, he moves to stand in front of the hotel facing us. The bellman can be seen walking down the hall, AWAY FROM THE ACTION, away from a conflict he knew was brewing. A point I made previously, were this real, the bellman would have stayed there. If he needed help, the bellman would have called from there.

As the moment of FRAUD approaches, the “far eastern” crew stands to Aldrin’s right. They are at the left side of the film frame as we view the action. THEY ARE STANDING AROUND NOT FILMING. That is until Lisa walks up to her step-father and this is a signal to the crew that the action is about to begin. Note how on cue the cameraman turns and now directs his camera at Sibrel/Aldrin. He obviously knows the punch is coming. Aldrin’s step-daughter does not stand by Aldrin to help him/protect him/pull him away. Rather, SHE LEAVES ALDRIN, WALKS FORWARD, TOWARD US AND AWAY FROM ALDRIN TO PROVIDE THE “FAR EASTERN” CAMERA CREW WITH A CLEAR/DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO FILM THE PUNCH. WATCH THE CAMERAMAN TURN TO FIM THE ACTION OBVIOUSLY ON CUE. HE HAS FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE PUNCH AND WAITS FOR A CUE BEFORE MOVING. Once he turns to film the punch, he is no longer in our frame, our field of view. THIS IS INTENTIONAL. WERE WE TO HAVE SEEN THE “FAR EASTERN “ CAMERMAN FILMING THE ALDRIN PUNCH, WE ALL WOULD HAVE CLAMORED TO SEE IT.

I imagine they were hoping to get a better angle on the Sibrel punch shot. As the shot was fake, it would have had to have been faked well for this to have happened, the filming of the phony punch from Aldrin’s right side such that the blow appeared authentic. Obviously, the shot did not come out., certainly not unexpected. So we are left with the one phony shot by “Sibrel’s crew” from that very unconvincing angle with Sibrel’s back to us.

HOW VERY VERY VERY VERY FAKE THIS ALL IS………

This spaceship done tipped over and then done blowed up…….

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by threadworm

Two stories from the LROC site from the past couple of days:

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.....html#extended

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/upload...601R_thumb.png

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index....he-Tracks.html

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/upload...641LR_ap15.png

To coin a phrase they:

PROVE APOLLO AUTHENTICITY WITH METAPHYSICAL UNMITIGATED CERTITUDE. THIS EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY UNIMPEACHABLE

Bouncing Secret Messages Off The Moon, Measuring The Earth's Gravitational Field to better target ICBMs, reconnaissance, surveillance, bombs, bogus spaceships threadworm, really now.

Do you really think that is all they did up there, walk around, take pics, drive little cars, collect rocks?

I know they were up to much more.......

Think of what they could have done, what we could have done with all of that squandered money...... It is literally SAD.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntlVbs4EGc



What might have been.....would have been much better.......paranoia is an expensive thing......it also ruins one's fun, one's life.......

[Patrick1000]

Watching the "background" closely. I believe this scene was shot on Rodeo drive. That is where the Luxe Hotel is.

Aldrin steps out into the street with his step-daughter, no cars, not a one. Soon as they get back on the sidewalk, cars start rolling by.

This is so so so so so FAKE. I am sure the guy is going to step into the middle of the street here, even if it was temporarily evacuated for him.

Take a look for yourselves......

[Tomblvd]

Originally Posted by abaddon

Call number three. Voicemail.

The silence is deafening.

I wonder what happened to the good Dr.?

[sts60]

Another gorgeous view of the Apollo 11 landing site, including Eagle's descent stage, the LRRR, and the PSEP. You can clearly see the different orientations of the LRRR and PSEP as well as the greater difference in the LM's orientation, as detailed in this image taken by Neil Armstrong in 1969.

Trivia note: the first use of nuclear power on the Moon was the isotope heater in the solar-powered EASEP (Early Apollo Surface Experiment Package), which consisted of the controller/power supply, PSEP, and completely passive LRRR.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Tomblvd

The silence is deafening.

I wonder what happened to the good Dr.?

Now that is the intriguing thing.

After dropping the name I was directed to a Director of the facility's voice mail, not Patrick's.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

I Found It...

Same rant as before, same response as before. When you're ready to accuse Aldrin or Sibrel to his face, you know where to send your contact information. Until then, irrelevant bluster.

[Hans]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Indeed; he's just throwing anything and everything out there to perpetuate the discussion and garner attention. I'm starting to agree with the wisdom that says this thread has run its course and Patrick should be put on universal ignore. He's had 200 pages and eight months to say something, and it's clear that nothing further is forthcoming.

I would agree it time to just end this thread. It has more than run its course, the OP has failed to present any evidence to support his contention and appears to be solely interested in continuing mindless rants

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by Garrison

Seriously this childish tone is not helping your argument such as it is. And again even if you could prove that the Sibrel footage was fake, which you have emphatically not done, it would have zero impact on the reality of Apollo 30 plus years earlier. Tracking, rocks, film, LRO pictures, these are the things you have failed to address, not to mention Teflon, Oxygen, and facing those you accuse.

Sure it is Garrison, the Sibrel/Aldrin phony cage match is pure unadulterated Apollo, Apollo in a nutshell, Apollo in a capsule.......

“The Bartholome Sibrel as PERP!” discovery is by far the most significant news event of the millennium, quite literally so, not that any mainstreamers are going to pick it up, present it as it should be presented, but what the mainstream news dudes do is ever so ever so ever so beside the point.

This is not hyperbole, far from it. It is understated if anything. Apollo has been proven fraudulent, all of Apollo, simply based on this ridiculous PR stunt, the “Aldrin/Sibrel Cage Match“.

Let’s play YOUR game Garrison, assume for the moment this WAS STAGED, what other reason, aside from a lame effort to cover Apollo fraudulence, would Sibrel, Aldrin and whomever else was involved have for doing this? Give me one good alternative “explanation”………..

APOLLO, ALL OF APOLLO, IN A CAPSULE

Here with the FAKE PUNCH we a have a STAGED event, with Sibrel and Aldrin both pretending to be dudes that they are not. Sibrel pretending to be an honest Partick1000 type Apollo Historian, and Aldrin, the big fat phony, pretending to be not only punch drunk Jerry Quarry, but an astronaut that actually went to the moon. Talk about a sock puppet, Gee Willikers……. Just like Apollo, Apollo in a capsule, phony dudes doing phony stuff, staging stuff to promulgate this absurd notion that Buzz, despite his front wheel walker status, was a tough dude, one that had actually walked on the moon…..

JUST LIKE APOLLO, most of the people participating in the staged event, both the camera crews, the “Far Eastern” interviewer, the bellman, Aldrin’s step-daughter, other seconds, innocent bystanders, all of these people, working on this elaborate STAGED EVENT, and no one really knew what it was about , what it was for, except for an ever so select few. Recall Apollo‘s 400,000 workers, how many were fraud insiders? Few, very very very few, I have identified; Presidents Johnson and Nixon, Low, Mueller, Phillips, Webb, Paine, von Braun, Shyster aka Schiesser, Aaron, Kranz, the Apollo Astronauts, Garman, Aaron, the Department of Defense Map Makers that made the LAM-2 Map and the tracking map with the targeted landing site intentionally mislabeled with respect to its coordinates, David Harland, Kluger(possible, not confirmed), the Mission Control Simulation Team, the guys that dropped the Apollo 13 astronauts from a cargo craft, the guy that called McDonald Observatory and Lick Observatory on the night of the Apollo 11 landing(may have been named already above), Apollo Program “PhotoShoppers”, those that modified/rigged the launch equipment for military use as opposed to the ostensible manned mission use. A more complete and detailed list is of course to follow with a fresh round of direct accusations and challenges to debates in celebration of my upcoming 1 year anniversary of Apollo researching(April 22, 2011 was the day of my epiphany).

(John Aaron will be offered the first debate opportunity and will receive a communication from me shortly. The letter to Aaron will be open and will be shared here on this forum, as well as in video form on YouTube. Stay Tuned, it promises to be over the top exciting, especially if one of these dudes has the nerve to face me. Oh to only be so fortunate. Let’s hope Aaron goes for it. By the way, I chose Aaron for personal reasons. His role is so interesting, and I think he will be surprised by my effectively fingering him. I imagine him to be a bright and worthy opponent. In a very real sense, I want to start with the person I see as the most difficult challenge and the most capable opponent. If I can nail Aaron in a public debate, I can nail anyone. I hope he is reading this.)

JUST LIKE APOLLO, the staged cage match was reported in the mainstream news by naïve reporters, reporters that bought into the event’s authenticity. After all, who is going to doubt Jerry Quarry light, Aldrin, in all of this? Sibrel even filed a police report for alleged assault. Yet another public record. It has to be real if it is vetted in such an “official way“, PUBLIC RECORDS OF SAID EVENT, ALBETHEY EVER SO BOGUS.

JUST LIKE APOLLO, the staged cage match just had to be real, I mean everyone was talking about it, joking about it, Jay Leno, David Letterman.

This is how PERPS run a fraud like this. They use the mainstream media apparatus and public agencies, in this case the Beverly Hills Police, to vet the event. Aldrin does not need to say it is real; NBC, CBS, the LA Times, The Beverley Hills PD, they all say it is real.. JUST LIKE APOLLO ITSELF…..

An interesting anecdotal aside, and more importantly, all anecdotes aside, in terms of addressing my views as they relate to your comment about my “childishness” Garrison , when I initially toyed with the idea of busting the astronauts chops publicly, one of the things pushing me in that direction was my observation that those theretofore doing working in the area of Apollo History were for the most part nonliterary, by that I mean incompetent writers. Likewise, with the exception of Jarrah White, there wasn’t anybody with movie making skills involved in this important field of work. And not to take anything away from Jarrah, what I have seen of his work is solid, but his skills with film, with movie making are limited, very much so. There was a vacuum, a talent vacuum. Apollo is obviously fraudulent, but this message deserves and indeed needs people with good writing skills, filmmaking skills and platform debating skills to begin the process of bringing this thing home, to catalyze what will undoubtedly be a most horrifically painful transmogrification, Apollo turning itself inside out, inverting itself within the pathetically cramped confines of our noggins, causing us great pain, psychic epilepsy, peaceful adventure becoming military rip off, heroes like Armstrong becoming pariahs, “kooks” like Anders, fatfreddy and Patrick becoming PATRIOTS of all things.

Sure, in this forum, where I work intentionally in hostile territory to first and foremost proclaim the TRUTH OF APOLLO FRAUD, I also work, as any historian would, to discover and correct the shortcomings in my presentation. I want to know, need to know, where I went wrong, where I made mistakes. This way I can know where to go right, how to go right, how to improve my presentation of Apollo‘s true history. I thought Steve Bales was a PERP. Now I know it was Garman alone. Bales is clean.

Apollo history needs writers and film makers and platform debaters like myself. Not that I am the best, there are plenty better out there. That said, I am by light years the best so far. A better writer, a better film maker, a better platform debater than Kaysing, Rene, White, and so on and on and on. The first to articulate incontrovertible allegations, FACTS, of Apollo fraud, and put them in writing and send my challenge directly to Armstrong, Aldrin and other Apollo Fraud principals. I have not written to Collins yet, though will. Patrick1000 was/is the first to understand motive and details of the Apollo fraud method. The first to recognize the smoke and mirrors aspect of the photos/rocks diversion. The first to name clearly and publicly and without fear the names of fraud perpetrators like KRANZ, AARON and so forth, basing these identifications on solid rationale, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, and doing this by way of using NASA’s own records as primary source materials. Patrick1000 wa the first to finger Sibrel himself as a PERP, phenomenal really when one pauses to think about this UNMITIGATED INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT and its ramifications.

I’ll be the first to admit that the dialog here on JREF’s Lost Bird Thread is not consistently the most mature , but that certainly goes for both sides. Plenty of my posts are straight forward, most serious, very serious, and most significantly on target and TRUE.

I have other, more personal passions. Yet, Apollo is important enough for me to postpone my childish interests for the next couple of years so that someone, Patrick1000, can write a TRUE AND SERIOUS HISTORY OF APOLLO, make a TRUE, SERIOUS AND ARTISTIC FILM WORTHY OF THE SUBJECT MATTER.

Granted, it will take least another year or perhaps longer to be in a position to write a polished serious piece about this. Will I need a FOIA request to obtain the “experiment film” shown to congress with regard to the Apollo 13 scam? I do not know. I suspect I am at least a year from beginning to write a literary, accurate, polished piece on Apollo, a year from starting a film as well. I would imagine both would take roughly 2 years to complete, though I can work on them simultaneously. My films typically feature original music, and that adds to the task, but again, the subject matter, the importance, merits this type of effort and of course my film will be all the better for it.

At the time of their completion, say roughly 3 years from now, my written and film expose’ s will leave little doubt in the minds of the American Public as to what really went on.

But 3 years is a ways off, much to do research wise, music writing, hopefully debating, were some fraud principals game enough to debate, and so forth. Until then, I’ll work here to inform and confront/face any detractors, any opponents/Apollo apologists. Whether satirical, serious, childish, the goal is the discovery of Apollo TRUTH which will not change, does not shift as do our moods, our moods as they are reflected day to day in the tone of our writings.

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by Garrison

Seriously this childish tone is not helping your argument such as it is. And again even if you could prove that the Sibrel footage was fake, which you have emphatically not done, it would have zero impact on the reality of Apollo 30 plus years earlier. Tracking, rocks, film, LRO pictures, these are the things you have failed to address, not to mention Teflon, Oxygen, and facing those you accuse.

Again, it is hardly childish Garrison.....

Consider this; the film , the very film here posted on YouTube and referenced by me in previous posts;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJGonxoCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJG...9EF5H1JQQOSV-a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSqO4...25HEFbtmHxkw-_

the Sibrel punching video, WAS SUBMITTED BY SIBREL TO THE BEVERLEY HILLS POLICE AS EVIDENCE IN HIS CHARGE OF ASSAULT BY ALDRIN UPON THE
MAKE BELIEVE PERSON OF EVERYONE'S NOT SO VERY FAVORITE CAB DIVER FROM NASHVILLE.

As previously written, this stuff is huge, known fraudulent material from a STAGED ASSAULT in which ALDRIN WAS A KNOWING AND ACTIVE PARTICIPANT, SUBMITTED TO THE BEVERLEY HILLS POLICE AS EVIDENCE IN A CRIMINAL CASE.

Now imagine if David Letterman and Jay Leno announced that the PUNCH was fake, which it was, OBVIOUSLY so, and that ALdrin and Sibrel are both APOLLO FRAUD PERPS, also OBVIOUSLY so. Now THAT!!!! is news baby, real real real news.

My own attorneys are looking into this now. I may sue Adlrin AND Sibrel for wasting tax payer money on this staged nonsense, providing of course the statute of limitations has not run out. My legal counsel is not so sure I can do this, but I told them I want to bust the chops of these clowns regardless of cost. I'll nail these PERPS if it is the last thing I do.

This is ridiculous and these BOZOs need to be embarrassed big time over it.

As for getting to the Teflon/Aluminum/Apollo 13 business, well that will be soon enough, and is a high priority. My first direct debate challenges will go to Aaron and Kranz, so I'll need to have that all squared away. I am working on a little film for Aaron which I believe will quite rightly freak his lyin' rump out. I may even have that done by Monday give or take. I want something visual to accompany my letter of challenge as my views have changed with regard to this.

I once thought these guys would never debate me. Now I believe there is a small chance. Some of the perps, Aaron being one, will realize that as things are looking now, given my age, abilities, writing skills and film making skills, not to mention ready and free access for everyone via the internet, more likely than not, he and his cohorts will be exposed beyond any reasonable doubt within the next five years. It would seem rather inevitable to a person of Aaron's intelligence that such is/will be the case.

Rather than hiding, he, Aaron, Kranz, Shyster/Schiesser, perhaps even an astronaut or two, may want to come out from hiding and mix it up with me in some kind of forum. They might be able to save a little face that way. Otherwise, within the next 5-10 years there will not be anything left of Apollo at all, not even a semblance of respect for the fraud participants, no respect at all for the PERPS.

So my plans in terms of directly challenging these guys to a debate is Aaron first, then Kranz, then Aldrin/Armstrong/Collins, then Shyster/Schiesser and after that I am not sure how I'll work it from there. As such, given that Aaron and Kranz are in the number one and two slots for receiving a challenge letter and a little video with "bad intentions" as Mike Tyson would say, the Apollo 13 business becomes a high priority, as does making a short film on Lost Bird. I figure these little films will put a little fear into these boys. As they take me but a night to turn out, the aim is a that of a quick stinging jab to get them a thinkin' as to what a full fledged serious film of mine might look like. I will turn up the volume on the perps in terms of the quality of the films I put out on this over the next year.

For example, consider the little Borman film;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQ...vcbHsLPqKbJV_z

It is little more than a pot shot, unpolished , simple, but if he sees it, and he knows I am gearing up to slam him in his lyin' chops with a full on film, gearing up to slam all of their lyin' rumps, well Borman is gonna' have some bad nights trying to sleep. He might even think some kind of public defense now is better than trying to keep laying low and bablling the "what about the rocks and pics mantra", ya' know..... When I send him his challenge letter and film reference, I'll include a script for seconal. Might help the boy sleep, and his wife need not worry about the poop and puke as they are not in a zero G environment, ya' know.....

Roughly a year from now, I'll have enough material, rock solid proof of Apollo Fraud, original music and so forth, I'll be able to quit cutting bait and go to town on a full fledged piece of good perp nailing cinema.

I think I'll have my message/letter/communication out to Aaron by week's end. As mentioned, that communication shall be open. I'll post it here along with my video featuring the fundamentals, the facts, as to how everyone knows Aaron is a lyin' PERP.

In the meanwhile, if anyone knows of an Apollo Principal/Apollo fraud perpetrator whom I have named here directly and believe that person would be interested in debating me publicly or otherwise, that perp may contact me at;

LostBirdProvesApolloBogus@gmail.com

I'll use this account in my communicating directly with perps, if as they care to do so.

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

Even assuming it was staged (which you haven't come anywhere near proving) I can think of a number of other reasons it might be besides "this is the only way to prove our faked moon landing wasn't faked at all". Indeed, that reason is literally the last reason I'd think of.

But you're asking me a question without doing me the courtesy of answering my own question.

So, please, answer the question I asked you, without resorting to rhetorical tricks like the above. Use direct, declarative sentences, in the form of a logical chain, to outline all the individual steps in your theory which you think lead inexorably to your conclusion.

How does a YouTube video, staged or not, about one old guy supposedly punching another guy in a Los Angeles hotel prove that the entire moon landing program which ended thirty years before is a fake?

It proves it was fake because THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER REASON TO STAGE THE PUNCH

Remember that the video was a piece of material evidence submitted by Bart Sibrel to the Beverley Hills Police as supportive of his assault charge. Substantial risk there playing with the law. Can you come up with another reason as to why they would do this? I can't. The video is bona fide fake and therefore so is all of Apollo. No other reason to do it. NONE....

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by SUSpilot

Patrick -

Regarding the encounter between Aldrin and Sibrel. Your interpretation is wrong. We've already determined that.

Regarding your proof that PTFE will not burn in a supercritical environment, where is it?

Regarding your analysis of matte processes in film and video, where is it?

Finally, are you or are you not going to face the people, including Sibrel, that you libel? I once asked you for a simple declaritive sentence. I'll make it easier: yes or no.

My interpretation of that video cannot possibly be wrong...

Sibrel is punched, the sound of the punch is heard before Sibrel finishes his sentence, and "Sibrel" finishes every word with utter clarity, perfect articulation. That is not possible without the film having been dubbed.

Sibrel's face is struck and he moves well to his right , WELL BEFORE HE FINISHES SAYING "THIEF", ARTICULATING THE WORD WITH GRAND CLARITY. That is not possible unless the film was dubbed. And the film was dubbed. And the only reason for dubbing the film is to cover fraudulent Apollo. Can you think of a better reason? Please tell us what that might be.

Aldrin claims he told the "Far Eastern" film crew that their interview was OVER as they were asking him questions about Apollo's being fraudulent, showing Aldrin videos in support of the view of Apollo as inauthentic. THAT DOES NOT MEAN, "PLEASE FOLLOW ME INTO THE ELEVATOR AND TAG ALONG WHILE I WALK OUTSIDE AND PUNCH SIBREL". THAT RATHER MEANS INSTEAD, "THE INTERVIEW IS OVER AND PLEASE GET LOST!!!!!" UNLESS OF COURSE THE WHOLE THING WAS STAGED, WHICH IT WAS.

Given this to be Aldrin's own story, that the interview was declared by him to be over given the interviewers "hostility" with the serving up of fraud based questions, then the film crew, the "Far Eastern" crew, would not be following Aldrin around. Unless of course the whole thing was staged, which it was. The film crew had just been told by Aldrin himself to get lost, or at least he was getting lost.

Watch the video carefully, the "Far eastern" crew do not start shooting in earnest there at the end until the punch is about to occur. They had foreknowledge of the punch. The only way this can be is if the scene was staged, and if it was staged, and it indeed WAS, Apollo, all of Apollo, must be fraudulent, and it IS, VERY FRAUDULENT, as fake as von Braun's metal choppers, and those are quite quite quite fake, can't miss those for anything but insanely phony.


This discovery of mine is indeed the most important mainstream news find of the millennium, as already mentioned. I understand why the Apollo apologist side is squirming. Bartholome Sibrel is rather a creepy dude. Super creepy, like a grin that features metal teeth........so cold, steely and PHONY......